The reason Trump could lose to Harris? Women’s backlash (Psaki x Sophia Bush)

>>> NO ONE KNOWS WHO'S GOING TO WIN THE ELECTION. INDEED, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER AND SEE WHO DOES WHAT AND WHO VOTES, BUT THERE ARE SIGNS NOT ONLY OF ENTHUSIASM IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BUT A REAL CRYSTALLIZATION OF SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN EVER SINCE ROE FELL. WOMEN IN POWER DEMANDING MORE POWER SO MEN STOP TAKING AWAY THEIR RIGHTS. WE SAW THIS AT THE CONVENTION. >> I'M TELLING Y'ALL TO DO SOMETHING. >> WE BELIEVE THAT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS. >> KAMALA WILL PROTECT ABORTION RIGHTS NATIONWIDE. >> LIKE WOMEN ACROSS AMERICA, WE JUST GSD. GET STUFF DONE. >> MY DAUGHTERS AND YOURS DESERVE EVERY OPTION, EVERY HOPE, EVERY POSSIBLE FUTURE. >> WE TRUST WOMEN. WE TRUST WOMEN. >> WE WANT TO TURN FOR A SPECIAL DISCUSSION WITH TWO VERY POWERFUL, INTERESTING, AND EXPERIENCED WOMEN, SOFIA BUSH WAS ONE OF THE MANY ARTISTS AND CULTURAL CREATORS WHO WE SAW HIGHLIGHTED AT THE CONVENTION. SHE'S A TV AND FILM VETERAN, "ONE TREE HILL," "JOHN TUCKER MUST DIE," AND IN POLITICS, SHE WAS THERE, IF YOU FOLLOW HER ON SOCIALS, YOU CAN GET BACKSTAGE -- BTS CONTENT. THERE SHE IS WITH THE FIRST WOMAN SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE. BUNCH OF OTHER COOL PICTURES. "VEEP." COME ON NOW. AND JEN PSAKI IS, OF COURSE, OUR COLLEAGUE, BUT ALSO SERVED AS A WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY FOR PRESIDENT BIDEN. WELCOME TO YOU BOTH. JEN -- >> THANKS, ARI. >> HOMETOWN ADVANTAGE. I'LL GO TO YOU FIRST. WHAT DOES IT MEAN NOT ONLY TO HAVE A WOMAN NOMINEE -- THERE ARE WOMEN IN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY -- BUT TO HAVE WOMEN'S RIGHTS AT THE CENTER RIGHT NOW? >> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I LOVE YOU, ARI, I LOVE BEING ON WITH YOU. I LOVE SOFIA. >> I LOVE YOU TOO. >> ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. WE'RE HAVING A LOVE FEST. I WISH I WAS THERE WITH YOU GUYS, BUT WHAT IT MEANS, KAMALA HARRIS, WOMEN SEE THEMSELVES, YOUNG WOMEN OF COLOR SEE THEMSELVES, YOUNG MEN OF COLOR SEE THEMSELVES. PEOPLE ALSO SEE THEMSELVES IN SOMEBODY WHO IS BOLD AND FEARLESS, AND THAT IS POWERFUL. WE SAW THAT AT THE CONVENTION. THE BIG CONTRAST -- WE TALKED ABOUT THIS ONSET, ARI. SO MANY PEOPLE SAW THEMSELVES AT THAT CONVENTION, WHICH IS SO DIFFERENT FROM A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE. ON ABORTION RIGHTS, AS YOU WERE PLAYING THOSE CLIPS, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IS SO INTERESTING IS ABORTION RIGHTS USED TO BE AN ALSO-MENTIONED. PEOPLE WHO WERE SPEAKING AT CONVENTIONS OR AT EVENTS WOULD FEEL LIKE, AND I GOT TO TALK ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS AND SAY I BELIEVE IN A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE. NOW, IT HAS BECOME A FRONT AND CENTER ISSUE. IT WAS A DOMINANT ISSUE AT THE CONVENTION. YOU HAD THESE POWERFUL STORIES FROM PEOPLE LIKE HALLIE DUVALL AND OTHERS THAT PEOPLE WERE JUST CRYING WATCHING. YOU KNOW, TEAR-JERKING MOMENTS. BUT ALSO, YOU HAD PEOPLE LIKE GOVERNOR PRITZKER TALKED ABOUT ABORTION RIGHTS MORE THAN -- MORE COMFORTABLY THAN MOST PEOPLE I KNOW. HE IS A BILLIONAIRE GOVERNOR OF ILLINOIS WHO'S OBVIOUSLY A MAN. THIS HAS CHANGED AS AN ISSUE THAT IS FRONT AND CENTER, THAT PEOPLE HAVE A COMFORT AND TALKING ABOUT, AND THAT'S A BIG SHIFT. OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OF THE SUPREME COURT DECISION, BUT THAT'S A BIG SHIFT, AND WE SAW THAT AT THE CONVENTION. >> YEAH. HOW DID IT FEEL TO YOU, CONVENTIONS ARE A TIME FOR NERDS? YOU MIGHT SELF-IDENTIFY AS A NERD. >> DEEPLY, YES. >> BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LOOK TO YOU AND LOOK TO THOSE PEOPLE IN CULTURE WHO AREN'T POLITICAL NERDS. >> SURE. >> AND WHO SEEM TO BE TUNING IN RIGHT NOW. >> ONE OF THE THINGS IS THE PRIVILEGE OF MY LIFE -- LISTEN, I LOVE MY JOB AS A STORYTELLER, BUT THAT'S MY INDIVIDUAL PASSION. MY CALLING AS A CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY IS TO WORK ON BEHALF OF COMMUNITY, AND I'VE REALIZED WHAT A GIFT IT IS TO HAVE A PLATFORM AND TO BE A POLICY NERD, BECAUSE I'M ABLE TO HELP TRANSLATE WHY THESE POLICIES ARE SO PERSONAL, JUST AS JEN WAS MENTIONING, YOU KNOW, I THINK PEOPLE THOUGHT OF ABORTION, REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS ON A WHOLE AS THIS SORT OF BOTTOM SHELF, BROWN BAG ISSUE, LIKE, WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT IN CERTAIN CIRCLES AND NOT OTHERS, BUT PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN FED THIS STREAM OF LIES ABOUT WHAT REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH CARE LOOKS LIKE HAVE HAD TO LOOK INTO THE FACES OF AMERICAN FAMILIES, LOOK AT WOMEN WHO HAVE LOST THEIR FALLOPIAN TUBES, WHO HAVE GONE INTO SEPSIS. WE'VE HEARD THE STORIES OF WOMEN WHO HAVE DIED OR NEARLY DIED BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN EMERGENCY MEDICAL CARE, AND WE KNOW THAT THERE'S NO LOGIC TO THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T SAY YOU'RE A PRO-FAMILY PARTY AND THEN WORK TO BAN IVF. NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE. IT'S ABOUT MONEY, CONTROL, AND POWER. AND IF YOU CAN'T WIN ON POLICY, YOU CERTAINLY SHOULDN'T BE TRYING TO WIN ON KILLING HALF THE AMERICAN POPULATION. >> YEAH. AND THAT GOES TO, AGAIN, ARE WE LISTENING TO WOMEN? >> YEAH. >> YOU KNOW, I WORKED IN CIVIL RIGHTS, AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH RACIAL ISSUES IS YOU CAN GO TO COMMUNITIES THAT, EVEN IF PEOPLE AREN'T CONSCIOUSLY, ACTIVELY RACIST, THEY'RE NOT INTERACTING WITH MEMBERS OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES. SO, THEY REALLY ARE CLOSED OFF. WITH GENDER, THERE ARE WOMEN IN EVERY COMMUNITY, RIGHT? AND EVERYONE HAS A MOM AND YADA, YADA, AND YET, THE WOMEN'S POWER AND VOICE HAS BEEN SO TRUNCATED, AND SO WE DID PULL ONE PIECE OF SOUND, A CLASSIC PSAKI, THAT'S A SAYING AROUND HERE. >> I'M GETTING A PSAKI BOMB? >> I DON'T KNOW. >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A PSAKI BOMB. IT'S DEFINITELY A SHOT. AND IF IT'S A FULL BOMB, ONLY PSAKI CAN TELL US. BUT IN ALL SERIOUSNESS, YOU USED THAT PODIUM AND, OF COURSE, YOU WERE REPRESENTING THE WHOLE ADMINISTRATION AND SPEAKING TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY. BUT AT TIMES, YOU SPOKE AS A WOMAN ON THESE ISSUES. LET'S TAKE A LISTEN. >> WHO DOES HE BELIEVE, THEN, SHOULD LOOK OUT FOR THE UNBORN CHILD? >> HE BELIEVES IT'S UP TO A WOMAN. I KNOW YOU'VE NEVER FACED THOSE CHOICES OR EVER BEEN PREGNANT BUT FOR WOMEN OUT THERE WHO HAVE FACED THOSE CHOICES, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT THING. >> JEN? >> LOOK, EVERYBODY -- MY SISTER HAS A T-SHIRT SHE SOMETIMES WEARS TO THE PLAYGROUND THAT SAYS, EVERYBODY KNOWS SOMEBODY WHO HAS AN ABORTION. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE, BUT MOST PEOPLE DO, OR SOMEONE WHO HAS STRUGGLED WITH FERTILITY OR SOMEONE WHO HAD A PREGNANCY THAT DID NOT GO TO TERM WHERE THEY HAD TO MAKE A DIFFICULT CHOICE. THIS IS AN ISSUE, AS YOU SAID, ARI, IT IMPACTS NOT ONLY WOMEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND WOMEN OF CHILD-BEARING AGE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL THAT, BUT ALSO THEIR GRANDMOTHERS, ALSO THEY THINK ABOUT THEIR DAUGHTERS. HUSBANDS THINK ABOUT THEIR WIVES. BOYFRIENDS THINK ABOUT THEIR GIRLFRIENDS. AND THIS IS THE PART OF IT THAT I THINK IS -- WAS A LITTLE BIT MISSING FROM THE POLITICAL CONVERSATION. THIS IS NOT JUST A WOMEN'S ISSUE. IT'S A SOCIETAL ISSUE ABOUT TAKING AWAY WOMEN'S RIGHTS TO MAKE CHOICES ABOUT THEIR OWN BODIES, AND EVEN PEOPLE -- THIS IS SO INTERESTING IN POLLS -- WHO ARE -- WOULD CONSIDER THEMSELVES NOT NECESSARILY IN FAVOR OF ABORTION RIGHTS DON'T WANT THAT TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM OTHERS, AND THAT TELLS YOU A LOT ABOUT WHERE THIS IS RIGHT NOW. BUT YES, YOU HAVE TO SPEAK TO THINGS AS A HUMAN AND AS A WOMAN OR A MAN OR WHATEVER YOU MAY BE, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT CONNECTS WITH PEOPLE TOO. >> WAS IT A PSAKI BOMB? >> I DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT THE ARBITER OF THAT, ARI. YOU JUST HAVE MOMENTS. I TRY TO BE CALM IN THAT BRIEFING ROOM BUT I'M AN IRISH LASS. YOU HAVE MOMENTS WHERE YOU JUST GOT TO SAY THE THING. >> I GOT TO ASK YOU, WAS IT A PSAKI BOMB? >> I THINK SO. AS AN OPINIONATED ITALIAN, I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT JEN'S TALKING ABOUT. >> I HAVE, LIKE, A MINUTE LEFT, BUT SOPHIA, WE DO OUR FALLBACKS. THE LIGHTERS ARE HERE. THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW YOU'RE IN A FALLBACK. WE GOT THE LIGHTERS HERE. >> I GOT A WHOLE BOWL OF THEM. LOOK AT THIS. >> I WANT A LIGHTER. >> I'M GOING TO TAKE THEM HOME. >> WHAT'S ON YOUR FALLBACK LIST IN POLITICS? >> OH MY GOODNESS. REALLY, WHAT IT IS, IT'S TRYING TO SPLIT US UP ON ISSUES THAT ARE HUMAN ISSUES, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WOMEN AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS VERY WEIRD REPUBLICAN TALKING POINT THAT GOVERNOR WALZ IS SOMEHOW NOT ALLOWED TO WEAR CAMO ANYMORE BECAUSE HE'S ON THE DEMOCRATIC TICKET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, BUT WE'RE SO MUCH MORE ALIKE THAN WE ARE DIFFERENT IN THIS COUNTRY. AND WE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME TEAM, SO I ACTUALLY NOT ONLY OWN THE HAT. I HAD MY OWN CLASSIC VINTAGE CAMO SHIRT EMBROIDERED WITH THE HARRIS-WALZ LOGO. >> MEANING YOU ALREADY OWNED THE CAMO AND ADDED THE LABEL. >> I SURE DID. >> WHERE'D YOU GET THE CAMO? >> I USED TO BE PART OF A FAMILY THAT HAD A DEER RANCH OUTSIDE OF TEXAS. I'M A VERY GOOD TRACKER, ACTUALLY, ALSO GREW UP A SHARP SHOOTER, SO WHEN PEOPLE SAY DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE ALL YOUR GUNS AWAY, I'M LIKE, THAT'S NOT IT SO MUCH. I THINK WE'RE HAVING A CONVERSATION THAT IF THERE'S LAWS AROUND CARS, THERE PROBABLY ALSO SHOULD BE FOR WEAPONS OF WAR. SHOCKER. >> I MEAN, IN AMERICA, YOU HAVE TO GET INSURANCE JUST FOR OWNING A CAR. >> YEAH. >> IMAGINE IF YOU DID THAT FOR GUNS. >> IMAGINE. >> YEAH. >> NOVEL IDEA. >> SOPHIA BUSH IS A PRETTY GOOD COMMUNICATOR, JEN. >> SHE'S VERY GOOD. AND SHE USES HER PLATFORM FOR GOOD. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS SHE'S AMAZING. >> NEXT TIME, IN-PERSON,