Notre Dame vs Texas A&M: What It Means For The Irish

IB Nation welcome back to another edition of the Irish breakdown podcast final show from me before this weekend's game between Notre Dame and Texas A&M tomorrow night Saturday 7:30 pm Eastern on ABC Notre Dame number seven against Texas A&M number 20 Today's show is going to be sort of a different type of show obviously it's not going to be a very long show I'm going to cover a couple different things that I really wanted to kind of discuss with you all before the game starts and just really do sort of a put a final bow on just what surrounds this game what this game means what people think it means what it actually means and then also I'm going to do something where I'm going to discuss what I because we don't we don't know a lot about this team yet and and we you know we seen clips and we know what we think based on talent and last year but we didn't see a lot of this football team in fall in Fall camp and so I'm going to discuss four things on each side of the ball offensively and defensively that I I will be looking for to tell me okay Notre Dame came to play today because ultimately that's what we need to find out right and and I'll and all the things that we discuss going into into that is going to set the stage for what I mean by that as far as if they're ready to play because there's a perception about this game that I find very fascinating but it's also a perception that is is somewhat somewhat deserved but I I've got I've just have some issues with the way that it's being perceived and and we'll kind of dive into you know what what some of those issues are and and and how I see this game and all that so so we're going to do that and then of course uh tonight we are going to post the um we're going to post our uh our countdown to kickoff show tonight U Sean and and Vince and Jesse will have that so we'll P publish that tonight and then tomorrow night after the game we'll have a postgame show with with Vince and Ryan and and Trevor and Shawn Davis so that's going to be fun and then of course I'll be traveling on Sunday so I'll have a postgame show or upon further review on Sunday night and there's a chance that when I get home depending on the film breakdown goes I may have something that I put up either Sunday night or Monday we'll kind of see how that goes but that's why you need to make sure that you've hit that subscribe button you got those notifications turned on so that make sure that when we do go live or I do publish a video that you'll be able to see it and um without further Ado let's dive in today's topic so this has been one of the more fascinating lead ends to a game I I I I'll be I'll be honest with you there's always there's always a level of negativity surrounding a team and that's true for everybody and negativity sometimes is understandable so negativity sometimes is deserved and in this matchup there is an understandable angst about this game but I'm I I'll be honest I'm literally shocked at how much negativity there is from the Notre Dame side I I have some of the most optimistic takes I've seen about Notre Dame don't come from Notre Dame fans they come from National people and it's been really interesting to to to read it to the point to where I have somebody today calling me a homer because we pick Notre Dame to beat a team that's gone 12 and 13 the last two years it really is fascinating because there's this perception about Notre Dame that is understandable to a degree but it takes into no context who they're playing and that's really been the fascinating aspect about this but it's not just Notre Dame fans clearly Notre Dame is a what I think last I saw a three-point Underdog to Texas A&M a team coming off of a seven and eight and five season or what what what was A&M last year seven- six right because they lost their bowl game although I you know bowl games don't don't mean a whole lot nowadays but I believe Texas A&M last year went seven- six correct yes seven- six last year they went five- seven the year before that they went eight and4 the year before that and people are acting as if Notre Dame is getting ready to play Clemson or Ohio State or Georgia or Alabama and I I I don't really understand that and and so we can have a conversation on one side about Notre Dame and what they need to prove and all this type of stuff but then my question is but does this game actually do that and and so when I when I get into this game it it it's really fascinating to to to think about and to talk about and to preview and and the other part is there is just so much that we don't know and especially for Texas A&M because it is a first year with a new Staff first game with a new staff tons of transfers that have come in there how quickly do they get rolling are they going to have issues like USC had last year like Florida state had in the opener or will they look more like 2022 USC or 2023 Florida state with all their transfers we don't know the answer to that question and we'll start to find that out this weekend but you know the way that the way that people kind of dive into this this matchup is is is if Notre Dame's getting ready to play Georgia and and then they act as if like when Notre Dame did play Georgia that they just got their butts kicked or when they did play Ohio State they got their butts kicked so a team that barely loses to teams that are actually really good it goes out is expected to get beat by a team that's gone 12 and 13 the last two years but you know that's that's sort of the the where Notre Dame has put themselves in right and and that's kind of where we're at because I keep hearing this Notre Dame has to prove they can win games like this right that's why they're an underdog against Texas A&M because Vegas doesn't believe in Notre Dame because Notre Dame doesn't win games like this that's what I hear and you know to to a degree there's there's some Merit to that but to a degree there's also a lot of well what type of game is this and that's where I think a lot of the the the disagree comes is not so much whether or not Notre Dame quote unquote wins games like this it's what kind of game do you actually view this to be and what's going to be interesting is to see the response from the people that view this game as this huge big picture Notre Dame doesn't win games like this kind of Mantra what's their response going to be if Notre Dame wins so if you're someone who says Notre Dame doesn't win games like this if Notre Dame wins are you then going to come here and say you know what I was wrong they're really good and they've turned a corner or are you gonna say well A&M's not Georgia they're not Ohio State that's what's going to really drive me nuts is if all the people that are saying you know A&M's gonna win or A&M's going to give him a tough game and Notre Dame doesn't win games like is if Notre Dame wins and especially if they win somewhat convincingly are are all of you that that are that are saying that now going to change your tune on Texas A&M or are you going to admit that Notre Dame starts to win games like this and that's what's going to be uh to really what's be at stake and in in some people's minds when you look at this matchup and you say Notre Dame doesn't win games like this I could give you lots of evidence that that's just not true that noted Dame does win games like this those lower top 25 caliber teams I pointed out the other day on my show like they beat NC State last year who won nine games they beat Duke last year who was ranked in the top 25 when they played uh they beat Syracuse two years ago when they were ranked in the top 25 and the answer was are you really comparing Duke and Syracuse to Texas A&M and my answer is why not other than the SEC patch and A&M on the helmets what what what makes me think they shouldn't because here's what I know and and they'll say the same thing about North Carolina but here's what I know about the three teams that I just mentioned okay here's one thing I know they're in the ACC so there's going to be a level of disrespect and I had somebody say well don't you think if Texas A&M was in the ACC they'd have a better record and I said okay well let's look at the data in the last 10 years do you guys know what Texas A&M's record is against the ACC you know what it is the last 10 years three and five if you take out the two losses to Clemson it's three and three they're not they didn't play Florida state right and so no there's no evidence that if Texas A&M was in the ACC they dominate the ACC like you have to actually have data to support this if you're gonna otherwise you're just making an emotional argument based on the emblem on the Jersey and the logo on the helmet and they say well how can you compare Syracuse and Duke in North Carolina to Texas A&M and my answer is very simple well the last two years Texas A&M has gone 12 and 13 the last two years Syracuse has gone 13 and 12 actually it's it would be 13 and 133 the last two years it's a better record the last two years Duke has gone 17 and9 North Carolina the last two years where Notre Dame beat them has gone 17 and 10 so again what type of game is this NC State the last two years has been in what I think they won eight nine games each of the last two years right I believe NC State 17 and 10 I believe the last two years they went nine and four last year and then eight and five the year before so 17 and nine so my my question is okay why is it that game but then here's the counterargument that gives that argument validity it's recency bias and there's an understandable recency bias because the last two games that Notre Dame played on the road against decent team teams they lost they lost to a four loss Clemson team last year that was missing eight starters they lost to a Louisville team that won 10 games but still lost four last season and and although that those two teams have certainly been better than Texas AA in the last two years the talent level between Texas A&M and those two teams is not that different and you could argue in some instances Texas A&M is better so that's where that's where the frustration comes in on the Notre Dame side is you keep putting your yourself in these situations where you're on the verge of of silencing people I mean that was the Mantra going into the discussion going into the Clemson game last year right is yeah this is a beat up Clemson team but it's still Clemson and you have won you know the the last matchup convincingly you had won two of the last three games against Clemson but you haven't beat him away from home and this is a wounded Clemson team that had lost a couple games coming into that that matchup and then you go on the road and you just lay an egg and get beat chance after chance after chance to win that game and you get beat you don't get it done you have a chance going into Louisville you just rebounded from orio State loss with a win over Duke the college football playoff is absolutely still in your grasp for Notre Dame to go out there and and be able to win that football game and if Notre Dame beats Louisville in that game and Louisville at the time was a top 25 football team they were n they were U um I think going into that game ranked 25th they were undefeated they ended up winning 10 games that year played in the ACC title you win that game you've got USC coming up who is a top 10 team you're you're ranked 10th it would have been very easy for Notre Dame to climb back up in there especially with a road game at Clemson coming down the stretch you had a chance to go into that game and say okay we rebounded from Ohio State we're ready to roll and you laid an egg you weren't ready to play you weren't focused you weren't locked in you could see it during pregame I remember coming up before the game started and talking to Tim Ali and telling Tim like dude I don't know what's going on right now but this team does they're just going through the motions right now in pregame you could see it and then that's exactly how they played just didn't compete and and so those games are going to be what get people to say they never win games like this or don't often win games like this well they didn't win them two most recent which is important but there's a lot of games like this that they've won but that's really where Notre Dame comes down is is you've got to stop with the up and down performances in these type of games and so that's where there is some understandable angst what I don't agree with is necessarily saying I'm now picking them to lose that's really what C that that I question it's like okay can they lose this game sure they can lose this game should they lose this game no and you can't make any good argument to say that they are going to win you know to win this game and then here's the other here's the other part of this this will be considered an upset based on the line I don't think it's an upset I I really don't this is a game that that to me that Notre Dame should win but here's the thing that I would challenge all of you that that get into this thing about Notre Dame not winning these type of games my my argument would be well how often does Texas A&M win these type of games do you guys have an answer to that noted a the last two years seven and four against ranked opponents they've beaten multiple ranked opponents on the road Texas A&M the last two years has gone three and seven against ranked opponents two of those wins and I had a great win over LSU at the end of the 2022 season two of those wins were over Miami two years ago an ACC team who beat them last year and Arkansas who I believe was ranked 10th when that game was played Miami finished the year 5- seven and Arkansas finished the year seven- six now they did beat Alabama back in 2021 which is a big win but that same year they also lost by 10 to Arkansas lost by 10 to Old Miss lost to LSU and lost to Mississippi State at home so a week before beating Alabama at home they lost to Mississippi State at home who went seven- six so is this really the type of game that Notre that that that Texas aan M wins very often the answer is no they don't and and so when you look at kind of how this game plays out I'm actually going to pull up a a post that was made yesterday and and it was it was really good interesting to point out somebody went back and and and looked at all the the times that Texas A&M was a had started their home opener against a ranked opponent and it was eight times they beat Notre Dame number 24 Notre Dame in 2001 quick note that Notre Dame team finished with a losing record they lost to Utah thir 4135 in 2004 see they get to this next one they Lo they lost to Oklahoma 1716 and 06 they lost to Texas 3417 in 2007 they lost to Alabama in 2013 By touchdown they beat number 16 UCLA at home in 2016 a 31 to 24 win in overtime I just want to point out however that that UCLA team that they beat in the home opener in overtime uh finished the year 4 and8 just kind of want to point that out to you the next year they lost to Clemson and then in 20122 they beat 17 and beat Miami 17 to9 in a low scoring game where A&M's defense played very well and that Miami team finished five and seven so what evidence do we have that A&M plays great in these kind of games and that's really where my frustration comes down into is like there's this ignoring what's on the other side of this conversation and saying hey they're going to because of Notre Dame there's just a two-way streak right Notre Dame has proven a lot more that they can win games like this than than Texas A&M has well you know Mike Elko is a great coach Mike Elko is a great coach you know but Mike yo doesn't have a ton of top 25 wins either either I think they have like one and it was a great win they beat Clemson last year by three touchdowns a team that Notre Dame lost to later in the year but Notre Dame did beat Clemson and Duke and and didn't play very well and still beat Duke in that game so that there there is a there is absolutely this this Fair discussion to be had about Notre Dame's inconsistency on the road because I can point to you and I can give you what what is a Hom OR take which is is well look what they did to NC State last year and look what they did to Duke they beat Duke last year and look what they did to North Carolina in 2022 and look what they did to Syracuse in 2022 and then I can plug my ears and close my eyes and pretend that Louisville and in Clemson didn't happen and you know that's really what it comes down to because if you're going to point to USC and in Ohio State in 2022 it's a useless conversation because both of those teams are better than Texas A&M right those are top 10 football teams you have if you handle your business against Louisville in Clemson last year we're having a completely different conversation that's basically what it comes down to and again I'm not talking about what's being said outside of the Notre Dame world I don't care what Paul fine bomb says Paul fine bomb is in on my opinion just not someone to be taken seriously I don't think he takes his own comment seriously he says things for shock effect he's a shock jock right that's all he is we don't need to waste time on what Paul fine bomb talks about I don't care what other people say I'm good with Josh P picking Notre Dame to lose this game because Josh is going to make his opinion based off his honest evaluation of this game I don't agree with it but I respect it my issue is more so coming from no Notre Dame fans and and the view that that there's this well they have to prove something but you know A&M is is just you know and and minus the jock beef feeder um jock is like dis jockey is what that is I believe where that comes from so that's kind of the frustration but at the same time I understand it's frustrating it the the constant negativity is frustrating but it's also somewhat understandable it is I will give you guys that because of when was the last two times that we saw Notre Dame in a game like this it was at Clemson last year and they lost how about before that it was at Louisville last year and they lost how about before that it was at Duke last year and they needed a miracle at the end of the game to win so I get it my whole thing is I just don't know that A&M is proven that they're as good as any of those teams now maybe they are but they haven't proven it and and this is a team that in the last 20 years has one season of 10 or more wins and that was the year they had Johnny Manzel and won the when he won the Heisman Trophy I think they won 11 that year so there's obviously a lot of stake but here's my challenge to you if you're someone who is on the Notre Dame doesn't win games like this and they can't beat teams like this and A&M's really good and all that kind of stuff I do not want to see you on the message board after the game or in this chat after the game or in shows next week pretending like all of a sudden A&M's not a a show me game I don't want to hear you doing that I don't want to hear you doing that but if you're gonna ride that wave now then write it next week if Notre Dame wins and at the same time people that are like Notre Dame always wins these games don't then try to pretend like A&M's Bama if Notre Dame loses this game right well you know it's it's don't make excuses for if Notre Dame loses this game I don't want to hear people doing either one of those things after this game you own what you said coming into the game you either own the fact that you thought A&M was a world beater Notre Dame can't win or own the fact that you think that noted Dame is the much better team and if they don't win I mean we all need to be able to do that and not change our Stripes just because the results are you know said one thing and then now we got to act like well you know but that team no own it because it's okay to be wrong sometimes when I give you my analysis I give you my honest analysis of a game right and if you think I'm a homer you probably shouldn't listen to me because a homer someone who is cannot see past their bias and I tell you all time I always pick Notre name win every game but I'm gonna always tell you the concerns to have going into games and we'll do a little bit of that this week as well so you know I just want to make sure that people stick to this but at the same time we need to have an honest assessment of who Texas A&M so forget what our perceptions were coming in let's get real now about what this game is for Notre Dame this game is an is absolutely a Perce big perception game for Notre Dame there's no doubt because of everything that I just spent the last 20 minutes talking about you don't win games like this I've literally told had people tell me Notre Dame struggles to beat SEC teams literally someone told me that I said hold on a second outside of bam Georgia who in the SEC has beaten Notre Dame in the last 15 years I have has Notre Dame lost a game to an SEC team outside in the last 15 years other than bammer Georgia LSU didn't beat him Notre beat them twice South Carolina didn't beat him Vanderbilt didn't beat him like what who is this SEC teams that keep giving Notre Dame all these problems outside of those those big two but that's the perception and unfortunately especially now in our society perception equals reality if the evidence tells you something different than what your feelings tell you we are in a society where people will rely on their feelings I've literally given people data about whether it's a political argument an economic argument or a Notre Dame college football argument and they will literally just say okay I reject that okay I just gave you data to show the statement you made is false and you're just going to reject it no because I feel I feel a certain way and my perception is this but that's the world we live in right and so until we can change that that's the world we live in and so there is a perception that this game means something and and that's a good thing if Notre Dame can win then they can kind of change that narrative I don't care as much about perception to be honest with you I don't care if Notre Dame wins this game and all the SEC fans say well A&M's not that good Notre Dame still sucks I don't care I don't care if the national media jumps on the Notre Dame bandwagon if they win this game I don't care I care about reality and the reality is Notre Dame is trying to take that jump to being a national Contender andm can be a stumbling block to that 100% because if you lose this football game that is a giant red flag like I am not going to do this whole thing with you guys where if Notre Dame loses this game I'm gonna come on here on on Sunday or Monday and say you know what guys A&M was better than I think and and this is it's okay to lose this game they're going to be fine it's a problem it's a pro in year three of your program with the talent you have you should not go into a game like this year game one of the mike Elco Air at Texas A&M with a bunch of new players and I don't care where I don't care if the game is played on Mars you should win this game I don't know of another top 10 team that would go on the road in against this team that is coming off of back-to-back TW Seasons where they went 12 and 13 and would be a three-point dog in this game I just don't know who that team would be Notre Dame does so the reality is is losing this game is going to be a giant black eye to me and and part of the reason is is because it'll be your third straight game against a top 25 opponent or a a top 25 caliber opponent on the road that you lost now it's not you had a couple bad games and then I can point to this this this and this as evidence why it was just a couple bad games but now you do it again and it is now who you are that is who you are and there's honestly not another road game on the schedule until maybe USC at the end of the season where you can kind of get this taste out of your mouth with Florida State losing to Georgia Tech I don't know that there's a home game on the schedule and so if you lose this game I'm gonna be honest with you there's gonna be a sour taste in my mouth until Notre Dame beats somebody really good because this is one of those games where you have better Talent than Texas A&M this is a game where you have a a a more cohesive coaching staff than Texas A&M I don't care where the game is played if you lose it tells me you're not the program that you should be and you're not where you need to be that that's the reality of it and and I don't know that there's a game left on the schedule that can tell me otherwise it would have to be going to the postseason and beat some teams that are better than that that's the concern but what about the flip side this is going to be anytime you go on the road and be the top 25 team and I'm okay with Texas being the top 25 I am I I Texas did not they did not have 12 and 13 Talent the last two years my counterargument is that they also don't have you know 25 and two Talent the last two years either like some some of us are acting they are a team that has talent I love the hire of Mike oo I think he's a great dude I think he's a heck of a football coach and I think Texas A&M is going to win a ton of football games with him as their head football coach but you shouldn't lose this game in the fir I'm actually I've said this before I'm more concerned about A&M coming to Notre Dame next year that version of A&M than I am about this one so if you lose to this one it's a problem but if you beat this one it's a good win it should be celebrated as a good win it should be celebrated as a step in the right direction because you did beat a Louisville Clemson 2023 caliber team and I do think that's what A&M will be I do think A&M's going to be minimum eight and four this year minimum eight and four and I could even see a nine to maybe 10 win season coming up for them even if they lose to Notre Dame I really like this A&M team they shouldn't beat Notre Dame so if Notre Dame wins it in any kind of close quality win it's going to be a good victory it will but this is not a you can now go beat Bama Victory bring on Ohio State Victory bring on Michigan 2023 Victory bring on Georgia bring on Texas it's not that kind of game right it's a good win it's a good step in the right direction it's a okay you laid the foundation now get better and better and better and this is going to be a game that prepares you to go out and play Louisville and goes out toep you know Georgia Tech Florida State and USC it is certainly a statement win there's no doubt about that but practically speaking this is not the kind of win that tells me if Notre Dame wins by seven points maybe 10 points three points two points any kind of competitive loss does not tell me all right bring on Bama bring on Bama I'm not doing that bring on Georgia not doing that the only way that Notre Dame can make that kind of statement in my opinion is to dominate this football game where you are clearly the better team and you just roll this football team that will tell me that when Notre Dame's on their game they can Hammer people because here's what I'll say all the stuff I said about A&M I absolutely believe and and all the stuff that I believe that that about you know they're not as good as people think they will be so if you're an A&M fan listening to this be realistic with yourself you're asking me to do the same thing you no very few teams in year one dominate it rarely happens you want evidence of that go back and look at Nick sabin's first football team at Alabama Nick Sabin inherited a six and seven football team right they lost to Oklahoma State in a bowl game they had some close lost to really Goodburn team by a touchdown lost by eight in Mississippi State only lost by three at number nine Tennessee lost an overtime at Arkansas only lost to number five Florida by 15 beat Duke beat Old Miss beat Vanderbilt right beat FIU I mean they they weren't a great team and Nick Sabin takes over phenomenal football coach had literally just won a title three years before and what did he do in his first year he went seven and six and lost to Louisiana Monroe in November it's gonna take him a little can you guys give him more than one week to turn you into a national Contender because I'm telling you he will if he gets the support he will he will a Mike elco's going to win at Texas A&M I just it shouldn't be this game it shouldn't be this game it takes some time Notre Dame shouldn't lose a game like this but if you win convincingly it says something because for all of my issues with Texas A&M right they were not a great home team in the last couple years last year they beat New Mexico Louisiana Monroe Auburn South Carolina Mississippi State and abalene Christian at home they lost to the only good team they played at Home Alabama the year before they beat Sam Houston State at home they beat a five and7 M five and seven Miami team at home by eight they lost to Old Miss at home they lost to Florida at home they lost to UMass at home or they beat UMass at home right and they beat a good LSU team at home but that's several losses at home including to Appalachian State but here's the thing all of those games were competitive even the Florida game game in 2022 in my opinion was a competitive game Florida was clearly the better team but it was a competitive game you lost by I think 17 and Florida scored last A&M actually had a lead at halftime they were winning 24 to 20 at halftime and then Florida pulled away in the second half put a a touchdown on at the end of game it was 34-2 24 uh a I think A&M went for it didn't get it and then Florida punched one in late with like couple minutes left to make it a a more decisive game but that was a back and forth game that was an evenly matched game where you know A&M make makes this mistake this turnover that mess up whatever they're in that game they have a shot to win that game Bama last year was the better team and and Alabama won that game by six but that was also a game where A&M scored late to make it closer than it was but it was much closer prior to that so uh Alabama had taken a 267 lead when they got a safety of Max Johnson who I just feel awful for today because he had a terrible injury last night you know but Bama it was 1710 A&M at halftime they had a lead and then it was 247 and then they got the late safety and then Alabama or A&M goes down and kicks a field goal two minutes left to make it a six-point game so even though it was a game that was not as close as the final score based on the second half it was a game that A&M LED at halftime so the thing is you just don't win these games convincingly over A&M that's the thing I'll give them credit for when they play at home they're not this unbeatable Force at home they're not and their record at home against ranked teams in recent years is not that great but they've gotten some good wins they got got LSU in 2022 they got bam in 2021 right they beat Florida who was uh played in the SEC title game by field goal in 2020 so they have gotten some good wins at home and they are a team that's good at home but they also have a lot of losses at home you know they've lost to Auburn recently at home they lost to Clemson at home in 201 in 20 was it 2018 so you've got to win the game that's all I care about the only way that I look at this game and say holy moly Notre Dame is who we thought they were is if they dominate the game that's the only way that I that I think that they could do it I'm not predicting that's going to happen because it is an opener and and as you guys watched last night whether you were watching Colorado North Dakota State whether you were watching Minnesota North Carolina whether you were watching NC State against Western Carolina in a game where they were tied in the second half 21-21 a lot of stuff happens in openers right a lot of stuff happens in openers so I'm not I I don't I don't make too much of how they play all I care about is that they win but if you want to really prove yourself in a way that for me has lasting impact you've got to win convincingly and and and that's my thing I don't ex I'm not but here let me be clear I'm not demanding that in the opener I'm I'm not well all I care about in this game ultimately is to just win I don't care if it's a sloppy four quarter game I don't A&M Has Talent they have good coaching they're playing at home they're going to have 105,000 fans in the in the stands I don't I don't care that you you don't think you blow a lot of people don't blow up I mean the last two times Bama played at tchm they won one by six and lost the other you know so but I do expect there to be a win if you do get a convincing win I think that's when I start looking at this game and saying okay that tells me something that tells me something about this football team but at the end of the day all I really care about is that Notre Dame wins that's the ultimate Gauge by by which you say this team is taking a step is that they just they win right because ultimately that's what you play for right isn't that isn't that what Herman Edward said right you play to win the game and in this instance I'll care a lot more about style points in a month when Louisville comes to town I'll care a lot more about style points when they play Florida State November right now this game in the opener just win just win that's it it's all I care about just win and that's ultimately what the goal so that's part one I'm going to get into part two of what to look for to let us know if Notre Dame is where they need to be mentally and and just just from a a culture standpoint to win this football game so I'll get into the that that next but before I do hit that like hit hit that subscribe hit the notification Bell 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