Pollster surprised by voters' real-time debate reactions

>> Harris: WE HEARD DIRECTLY FROM THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES LAST EVENING DEBATING OUR NATION'S MOST PRESSING ISSUES AND WE HEARD THE SPIN FROM ALL OF THEIR ALLIES, THAT'S THEIR JOB, ACTUALLY. AND THE ANALYSIS FROM THE EXPERTS. NOW IT IS TIME TO HEAR THE MOST IMPORTANT VOICES EVER. THOSE BELONG TO THE VOTERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, VOTERS' VOICES. IN THE FRONT ROW LET'S MEET THOSE IN TODAY. FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO WELCOME YOU, JEANINE. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH AND WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH WHAT YOUR PARTY IS AND WHO YOU ARE VOTING FOR AND ALL THAT. RUEBEN, YOU JOINED US BEFORE. WELCOME BACK. AND WE HAVE ALEXANDRIA. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. JAY, WELCOME BACK. IT WILL BE SPIRITED WITH JAY IN THE HOUSE AND RUEBEN. AMANDA IN THE CENTER AND DAVID, WELCOME BACK. YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS THROUGH THE ISRAEL WAR AND SO MANY THINGS. IT IS GOOD TO HAVE YOU BACK. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO GO AROUND AND JUST FIND OUT WHAT EACH OF YOU THOUGHT OF THE DEBATE. SO LET'S DO THAT. ALEXANDRIA, I KNOW YOU SAID AT ONE POINT YOU NEEDED A BREAK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. WHAT WAS YOUR TAKE ON IT? >> IT WAS VERY LONG. I THINK WHILE THERE WAS SOME FOCUS ON POLICY THERE WAS SO MUCH CRITICISM OF EACH OF THE CANDIDATES. WE DIDN'T GET TO THE MEAT OF THE ISSUES. >> RUEBEN, YOUR THOUGHT. >> I FEEL THE SAME WAY. THE POSITION, THE WAY TRUMP CAME OUT WAS PRETTY AGGRESSIVE AND TALK HE WAS TALKING TO A RALLY AND HE SOUNDED ANGRY. I THOUGHT. WHEN HE REFERENCED THOSE PEOPLE WAS NOT THE BEST THING TO SAY. >> Harris: ALL RIGHT. AND JEANINE, I AM CURIOUS MAYBE JUST TO DIG IN A LITTLE DEEPER. DID IT MOVE THE NEEDLE FOR YOU AT ALL? >> NO, I 100% AM A TRUMP SUPPORTER AND I BELIEVE HE WAS ABLE TO ARTICULATE SOME OF THE MESSAGES THAT NEEDED TO BE ARTICULATED. HE WAS ABLE TO GO TO HIS TRACK RECORD AND TO TALK ABOUT THE SHORTCOMINGS THAT EXISTED WITH THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION. I FEEL THAT KAMALA DEFLECTED THE ENTIRE TIME. >> Harris: BEFORE WE GO TO THE BACK ROW THERE, LEE CARTER POLLING EXPERT AND PRESIDENT AND PARTNER OF A BUSINESS IS HERE. JAY, I WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON LAST NIGHT. >> I THOUGHT IT WAS A BETTER DEBATE BETWEEN TWO PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES. MUCH THE SAME FOR TRUMP. I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE HIS ENTIRE PERFORMANCE WAS ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER. I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE VICE PRESIDENT COME OUT. I THINK SHE COULD HAVE MADE A FEW MORE POINTS BUT I THINK SHE DID WELL OVERALL. >> Harris: AMANDA. >> I THOUGHT THE VICE PRESIDENT DID AN AMAZING JOB AND HAD COMMAND OF THE STAGE AND A CLEAR WINNER IN THE DEBATE. SHE RILED UP FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP AND HAD HIM TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE INSIGNIFICANT LIKE RALLY SIZE AND USING FEAR MONGERING AND DIVISIVE TACTICS THAT WEREN'T HELPFUL TO HIM AT ALL. >> STYLISTICALLY KAMALA DID A NICE JOB. I WOULD DIFFER THE STYLE FROM THE SUBSTANCE. SHE TRUMP DIDN'T DRILL DOWN. I THINK IN CERTAIN INSTANCES WHERE SHE EVADED A QUESTION HE HAD MORE MEAT ON THE BONE THAT HE DIDN'T GET TO. >> Harris: ONE WAS WHETHER SHE HAD EVER MET PUTIN. SHE DODGED THAT BALL LIKE THIRD GRADE. I HADN'T SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT AND I THINK HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT THAT. THAT SHE HAD. LET'S GET RIGHT TO IT NOW. WE ARE GOING TO PLAY CLIPS FROM LAST NIGHT'S DEBATE. LEE HAS SHOWED THEM TO A GROUP OF VOTERS WHO RESPONDED IN REALTIME USING HAND HELD DIALS. YOU CAN WATCH THEIR FEELINGS SECOND BY SECOND AND THE RED LINE REPRESENTS REPUBLICANS, BLUE DEMOCRATS AND YELLOW IS INDEPENDENTS. HERE IS THE ECONOMY. LET'S WATCH TOGETHER. >> SO DONALD TRUMP HAS NO PLAN FOR YOU AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT HIS ECONOMIC PLAN IT IS ALL ABOUT TAX BREAKS FOR THE RICHEST PEOPLE. I AM OFFERING WHAT I DESCRIBE AS AN OPPORTUNITY ECONOMY AND THE BEST ECONOMISTS IN OUR COUNTRY, IF NOT THE WORLD, HAVE REVIEWED OUR RELATIVE PLANS FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICA. WHAT GOLDMAN SACHS IS SAID DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD MAKE THE ECONOMY WORSE, MINE WOULD STRENGTHEN THE ECONOMY. WHAT THE WHARTON SCHOOL SAID IS DONALD TRUMP'S PLAN WOULD ACTUALLY EXPLODE THE DEFICIT. 16 NOBEL LAUREATES HAVE DESCRIBED HIS ECONOMIC PLAN AS SOMETHING THAT WOULD INCREASE INFLATION AND BY THE MIDDLE OF NEXT YEAR WOULD INVITE A RECESSION. >> THAT'S A GREAT PLAN. A PLAN THAT IS GOING TO BRING UP OUR WORTH, OUR VALUE AS A COUNTRY. IT WILL MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO BE ABLE TO GO AND WORK AND CREATE JOBS AND CREATE A LOT OF GOOD SOLID MONEY FOR OUR COUNTRY. JUST TO FINISH OFF, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN. SHE COPIED BIDEN'S PLAN AND IT IS LIKE FOUR SENTENCES. RUN SPOT RUN. FOUR SENTENCES THAT ARE JUST OH, WE'LL TRY AND LOWER TAXES. SHE DOESN'T HAVE A PLAN. THEY HAD THE HIGHEST INFLATION PERHAPS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY BECAUSE I HAVE NEVER SEEN A WORSE PERIOD OF TIME. PEOPLE CAN'T GO OUT AND BUY CEREAL, BACON, EGGS, ANYTHING ELSE. THE PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ARE ABSOLUTELY DYING WITH WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THEY HAVE DESTROYED THE ECONOMY. >> Harris: ONE OF THE THINGS I NOTICED RIGHT AWAY THERE IS THE BLUE LINE STARTED TO FLATTEN AND NOT DIP SO LOW DOWN ON THAT LAST ONE. HE GETS WHERE PEOPLE ARE. >> HE GETS WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN THE ECONOMY. AN INTERESTING TAKEAWAY. I DIDN'T EXPECT TO SEE INDEPENDENTS TRACKING SO MUCH WITH REPUBLICANS LAST NIGHT. THEY DID. THEY WANTED TO HEAR THE MEAT ON THE ECONOMY AND HEAR THE PLAN. WHILE MOST OF THE VOTERS WE SPOKE WITH AGREED STYLISTICALLY SAYING SHE PERFORMED BETTER THAN HE DID ON SUBSTANCE ON THE ISSUES OF ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION THEY RESONATED WITH HIM. THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE TALKING TO A LOT OF THE INDEPENDENT VOTERS AND SAW THAT WITH THAT LINE. >> Harris: ALEXANDRIA, YOU ARE NOW A REPUBLICAN. CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE ISSUE WHY THOSE TWO WOULD TRACK IN YOUR MIND? >> ABSOLUTELY. I ALSO JUST GRADUATED COLLEGE AND LOOKING INTO THE JOB MARKET AND ECONOMY AND HOUSING PRICES, COST OF FOOD. FOR ME AT THIS POINT IT IS NOT ABOUT WHICH CANDIDATE IS THE MOST POISED OR WHAT I LIKE THE MOST, BUT WHAT THE NEXT FOUR YEARS LOOK LIKE. I DO THINK THE ECONOMY UNDER TRUMP WAS A LOT STRONGER. >> Harris: RUEBEN. >> I AGREE WITH THAT. THE STRONG POINTS FOR THE ECONOMY HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN AND RAN WITH IT AND HE DIDN'T RUN WITH IT. IT WAS MORE EFFECTIVE TO DO THAT. HE SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT. NO ISSUES CAME UP OTHER THAN WHAT THEY TALKED ABOUT WHICH IS PRETTY OVERWHELMINGLY OVERRIDE. AN OVERRIDE ON EVERYTHING. NOT EVEN SPECIFIC AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE -- HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE SPECIFIC. >> Harris: THE MODERATORS COULD HAVE GOTTEN MORE SPECIFIC AND DONE SOME REASKING. >> IT WAS THREE AGAINST ONE. >> Harris: FROM A JOURNALISM PERSPECTIVE AND HAVING BEEN ON A STAGE WITH HIM AND ABCC NULLS AT THE -- IT WASN'T DISSIMILAR TO THAT. THE FOLLOW-UP WAS NOT THERE LAST NIGHT. THAT COULD BE A FLAVOR THING, WHO KNOWS. DAVID, I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON JUST WHERE YOU SAW THOSE LINES TRACKING AND I MADE THE COMMENT THAT WHEN IT GOT DEEPER INTO THE ECONOMY, THE DEMOCRATS STOPPED PITCHING SO FAR LOW AND FLATTENED OUT A LITTLE BIT. DOES KAMALA HARRIS TO YOU REACH PEOPLE RIGHT WHERE THEY ARE ON THAT ISSUE? >> WELL, I THINK THE IRONY IS BOTH CANDIDATES WERE FIGHTING OVER THE MANTEL OF CHANGE OVER THE ECONOMY. KAMALA WAS PRESENTING HERSELF AS THE CANDIDATE OF CHANGE. SHE IS A REFLECTION OF THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION, THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY DISAPPROVES HOW THEY HANDLED THE ECONOMY AND PREFER THE TRUMP ECONOMY TO THIS ONE. SO I THINK IT WAS DIFFICULT GIVEN THAT. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID TRUMP'S STRONGEST ANSWER WAS THE LAST ONE. LOOK. WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE THESE ECONOMIC PLANS SINCE YOU'VE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR THE 3 1/2 HOURS ORDER. HE SHOULD HAVE COME DOWN ON THAT EARLIER. SHE DISTANCED HERSELF AT TIMES. >> Harris: VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS IS FACING CRITICISM OVER NOT ANSWERING FOR CHANGING MANY OF HER FAR-LEFT POLICIES. 40 MINUTES INTO THE DEBATE THE MODERATORS FINALLY ASKED HER ABOUT THAT AND IT HAS BEEN HEADLINES FOR WEEKS. >> MY VALUES HAVE NOT CHANGED AND I'LL DISCUSS EVERY ONE -- AT LEAST EVERY POINT THAT YOU HAVE MADE. IN PARTICULAR LET'S TALK ABOUT FRACKING. WE'RE HERE IN PENNSYLVANIA. I MADE IT CLEAR IN 2020 I WILL NOT BAN FRACKING. I HAVE NOT BANNED FRACKING AS VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. AND IN FACT I WAS THE TIEBREAKING VOTE ON THE INFLATION REDUCTION ACT WHICH OPENED NEW LEASES FOR FRACKING. MY POSITION IS THAT WE HAVE GOT TO INVEST IN DIVERSE SOURCES OF ENERGY SO REDUCE OUR RELIANCE ON FOREIGN OIL. >> DEFUND THE POLICE. SHE HAS BEEN AGAINST THAT FOREVER. SHE GAVE ALL THAT STUFF UP, VERY WRONGLY AND HORRIBLY. EVERYBODY IS LAUGHING AT IT, OKAY? THEY'RE ALL LAUGHING AT IT. SHE GAVE UP AT LEAST 12 AND PROBABLY 14 OR 15 DIFFERENT POLICIES. SHE WAS BIG ON DEFUND THE POLICE. IN MINNESOTA SHE WENT OUT -- I'M TALKING NOW. IF YOU DON'T MIND, PLEASE. DOES THAT SOUND FAMILIAR? SHE WENT OUT -- SHE WENT OUT IN MINNESOTA AND WANTED TO LET CRIMINALS THAT KILLED PEOPLE, THAT BURNED DOWN MINNEAPOLIS, SHE WENT OUT AND RAISED MONEY TO GET THEM OUT OF JAIL. SHE DID THINGS THAT NOBODY WOULD EVER THINK OF. NOW SHE WANTS TO DO TRANSGENDER OPERATIONS ON ILLEGAL ALIENS THAT ARE IN PRISON. THIS IS A RADICAL LEFT LIBERAL THAT WOULD DO THIS. SHE WANTS TO CONFISCATE YOUR GUNS AND SHE WILL NEVER ALLOW FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA. IF SHE WINS FRACKING IN PENNSYLVANIA WILL END DAY ONE. >> Harris: REPUBLICANS AND INDEPENDENTS ARE TRACKING TOGETHER AND OBVIOUSLY THAT IS FOR PARTY. INDEPENDENTS SUPPOSEDLY DON'T HAVE ONE THAT THEY DESIGNATED YET. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD FROM VOTERS LAST NIGHT. CURIOUS WHAT YOU GUYS THINK. THEY WANTED TO HEAR MORE IN DEPTH ON HER POLICIES. WHAT WAS SHE REALLY GOING TO DO FOR THE ECONOMY. WHAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT ABOUT THE ECONOMY UNDER HER THAN BIDEN. THEY WANTED HER TO EXPLAIN WHY SHE HAS HAD SO MANY CHANGES. THEY WOULDN'T LET HER GET AWAY WITH IT. THEY DIDN'T WANT HER TO GET AWAY WITH THIS IDEA OF VALUES. SHE DIDN'T GIVE THE WHY THAT ALLOWED PEOPLE TO SAY YOU HAVE A REASON TO CHANGE. I THINK THAT'S WHY YOU SAW THE INDEPENDENTS WERE REALLY UP THERE WITH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS OBVIOUSLY WERE NOT. >> Harris: JAY, I WANT TO ASK YOU SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT I ASKED ALEXANDRIA ABOUT THE ECONOMY, THIS IS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY, POLICE AND MILITARY SO TO SPEAK. THE BLUE LINE THERE FOR DEMOCRATS WAS GOING DOWN AND THEN IT FLATTENED OUT WHEN HE GOT TO WHAT LIFE IS LIKE IN URBAN AREAS. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT? >> URBAN AREAS ARE COMPLICATED DUE TO FACTORS NOT PRESENT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RURAL AREAS. SO I THINK IT IS EASY TO MAKE INFERENCES THAT DON'T REALLY MAKE THE SAME -- THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE THE SAME RATIONALE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO. WITH THAT SAID, I THINK IT'S REALLY COMPARING APPLES TO ORANGES. IT IS NOT THE SAME. WE HAVE DIFFERENT NEEDS AND DIFFERENT -- >> Harris: LET ME ASK A DIFFERENT WAY. WE'VE BEEN SEEING THIS AMONG BLACK AND HISPANIC VOTERS. WHAT IS THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN KAMALA HARRIS AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS WHO ARE MINORITIES AND STRUGGLING ECONOMICALLY? MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER WAY TO SAY IT. THEY'RE DEALING WITH THE BULK OF VIOLENT CRIME. THE REST OF THE NATION HAS SEEN CRIME COME DOWN BY VIOLENT CRIME IN THOSE AREAS IS UP. >> IT CAN BE TRACED TO MANY DIFFERENT ROOT CAUSES WHETHER IT'S ECONOMICS, SOCIO- ECONOMIC STRUGGLES. >> Harris: MOST OFTEN IT'S THAT. WHY DOESN'T SHE CONNECT? >> THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. I AM NOT SURE WHY SHE DOESN'T CONNECT IN THOSE AREAS. I THINK SHE IS CONNECTING WELL IN THOSE AREAS. I THINK SHE IS DOING A FANTASTIC JOB. I THINK SHE CAN DO BETTER. >> Harris: IS IT NAME RECOGNITION? I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE I'M HAVING SOME SORT OF AN EPIPHANY ABOUT THAT. WHEN I LOOK AT THE DIALS AND THAT REACTION, SOME OF IT IS AROUND WHETHER YOU LIKE TRUMP OR NOT, YOU KNOW WHAT HE STANDS FOR. WITH HER YOU DON'T. AND AROUND THE ISSUE OF CRIME, YOU KNOW IN THOSE AREAS BECAUSE YOU'VE LIVED IN THEM THAT IF YOU CAN'T REALLY NAIL IT, PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AT STAKE AND THEY WANT TO KNOW WHERE SHE STANDS. AMANDA, I'LL COME TO YOU NEXT ON YOUR THOUGHTS. >> I THINK ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL THINGS THAT VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS DID LAST NIGHT WAS HER ENDING STATEMENT WHERE SHE SAID SHE WILL LEAD FROM A PLACE OF ARE YOU OKAY. THAT REMINDS ME OF CIVIL RIGHTS ICON WHO SAYS WHERE DOES IT HURT? WE CAN LOOK AT EACH OTHER AS HUMAN BEINGS AND AS INDIVIDUALS AND SAY ARE YOU OKAY? THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE COLLECTIVELY TOWARDS A COUNTRY THAT WORKS FOR ALL OF US. THERE IS NO QUESTION IN MY MIND THAT THE HARRIS-WALZ ADMINISTRATION HAS THE DESIRE TO BUILD A COUNTRY THAT WORKS FOR ALL PEOPLE. >> Harris: ANYBODY WANT TO REBUT THAT OR SAY ANYTHING ADDITIONALLY? >> I THINK KAMALA HAD A VERY POLISHED PERFORMANCE BUT SPENT SO MUCH TIME ON PREP. TRUMP WAS LEARNING ABOUT WHAT WE NEEDED IN THIS COUNTRY. >> Harris: INTERESTING. YOU GUYS ARE JUST WONDERFUL. I'M SO GLAD YOU ARE HERE. TRUMP RECORD ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION UNDER THE BIDEN-HARRIS ADMINISTRATION AND THE MIGRANT CRIME ALSO A BIG ISSUE, WHICH SHE BROUGHT UP MANY TIMES AND A BIG ISSUE FOR VOTERS. THE FORMER PRESIDENT ON THAT. >> CRIMINALS OFF THE STREET AND THEY'VE GIVEN THEM TO HER TO PUT INTO OUR COUNTRY. AND THIS WILL BE ONE OF THE GREATEST MISTAKES IN HISTORY FOR THEM TO ALLOW -- I THINK THEY PROBABLY DID IT BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY WILL GET VOTES -- BUT IT IS NOT WORTH IT BECAUSE THEY ARE DESTROYING THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY BY WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANYTHING DONE LIKE THIS AT ALL. THEY'VE DESTROYED THE FABRIC OF OUR COUNTRY. MILLIONS OF PEOPLE LET IN. ALL OVER THE WORLD CRIME IS DOWN ALL OVER THE WORLD EXCEPT HERE. CRIME IS UP AND THROUGH THE ROOF DESPITE THEIR FRAUDULENT STATEMENTS THEY MADE. CRIME IN THIS COUNTRY IS THROUGH THE ROOF AND WE HAVE A NEW FORM OF CRIME CALLED MIGRANT CRIME AND HAPPENING AT LEVELS THAT NOBODY THOUGHT POSSIBLE. >> Harris: YOU CAN'T MISS IT. AT ONE POINT THE LINES STOPPED GOING TOGETHER AND INDEPENDENTS STARTED GOING UP HIGHER THAN REPUBLICANS. THEY WERE RIGHT UP. WHAT IS GOING ON WITH INDEPENDENTS? WE BETTER PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THEM. >> WE BETTER. IT IS INTERESTING. IN 2020 WE DIDN'T SEE THIS. WE SAW A BIG SPLIT BETWEEN ALL OF THEM. IT WAS LIKE ALL DIFFERENT. SPAGHETTI LINES. WHAT WE'RE SEEING A LIKE WE SAW IN 2016. INDEPENDENTS ARE TRACKING VERY MUCH WITH REPUBLICANS LOOKING FOR A COUPLE OF THINGS. ANSWERS ON IMMIGRATION, LOOKING FOR ANSWERS ON THE ECONOMY. THEY WANT TO HEAR THAT THINGS WILL GET BETTER FOR THEM AND ALSO WANT CHANGE FROM WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS THEY WERE LOOKING FOR LAST NIGHT FROM KAMALA HARRIS IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE IT DIFFERENT? ONE OF TRUMP'S MOST POWERFUL STATEMENTS THAT HE SAID IS WHEN HE SAID WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE IT FOR THE LAST 3 1/2 YEARS? YOU ARE BIDEN. HE WAS TRYING TO SAY THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE WITH YOU. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR THAT. YOU CAN SEE IN THESE CLIPS. I WAS REALLY SURPRISED BECAUSE THE INTENSITY OF THE INDEPENDENT SUPPORT THERE FOR DONALD TRUMP WAS VERY, VERY STRONG. I DIDN'T EXPECT IT. >> Harris: RUEBEN, I SAW YOU NODDING, WHY. >> TALKING ABOUT IMMIGRATION. THAT'S A BIG ISSUE IN OUR COMMUNITY AS LATINOS. WE LOOK AT IT VERY NEGATIVE. HE IS TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING A NEW TALKING ABOUT THE 50s AND 60s, A NEW MENTALITY OF NOT INDEPENDENTS BUT THE DEPEND SEE. MEDICAID AND MEDICARE GOES UP AND THEY BECOME -- I WAS TALKING TO SOME PEOPLE IN OUR FAMILY RECENTLY AND THEY AREN'T LOOKING TO GET OUT OF WHERE THEY ARE. THEY ARE NOT LOOKING TO DO ANYTHING. THEY GET A CHECK AND DO WHAT THEY HAVE TO DO AND THE GOVERNMENT IS SUPPORTING THEM. YOU ARE BECOMING VICTIMS. THAT'S THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. THEY ARE BECOMING DEPENDENT VICTIMS OF A SOCIETY HERE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RULES HERE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ANYTHING. IT IS A LEARNING CURVE FOR THEM WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT LAWS YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY. YOU LOOK AT DRIVERS IN THE CITY. THINK ABOUT IT. NOBODY IS REALLY TUNED INTO THOSE THINGS. THOSE ARE SIMPLE. WHERE ARE YOU GETTING INSURANCE FROM IF YOU GET A LICENSE IN NEW YORK AND DRIVING A WONDERFUL CAR? WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THAT INSURANCE FROM? SO GOD FORBID I GET INTO AN ACCIDENT AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I'M GOING TO GO. SOMEBODY HITS MY VEHICLE OR HURTS SOMEBODY IN MY CAR. >> Harris: JEANINE. >> I THINK THE INDEPENDENTS ARE TRACKING IN A POSITIVE WAY WITH TRUMP'S RESPONSES BECAUSE IT IS OBVIOUS WHAT'S HAPPENING ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN THESE CITIES. EVERY SINGLE DAY WE'RE SEEING DESTRUCTION. EVERY SINGLE DAY WE SEE CRIME AND EVERY DAY OUR SAFETY IS BEING COMPROMISED. I THINK YOU CAN'T HIDE FROM THAT. I THINK IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE OBVIOUS AND SOMETHING NEEDS TO CHANGE AND IT NEEDS TO BE DONE I BELIEVE TRUMP'S WAY. >> Harris: YOU GO TO SCHOOL IN THE CITY. >> I DO. YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK ANY FURTHER THAN THE HERE TO SEE THE MIGRANT CRISIS. OUR MAYOR SAID LAST YEAR THAT MIGRANT CRISIS WILL DESTROY NEW YORK CITY AND THIS IS TRUMP'S HOMETOWN AND IT IS COSTING US BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF TAXPAYER FUNDS ANNUALLY. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING WHEN ASKED DIRECTLY BY THE MODERATORS KAMALA THE VICE PRESIDENT DIDN'T EVEN MAKE AN EFFORT TO DEFEND THE ADMINISTRATION'S IMMIGRATION POLICIES AT ALL. SHE CAN'T. SHE PIVOTED AND DEFLECTED SUCCESSFULLY BUT THEY TOTALLY REWROTE ALL OF TRUMP'S IMMIGRATION POLICY YEAR ONE. FIRST 100 DAYS. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN EXPLANATION TO THE COUNTRY WHY THEY DID THAT. >> Harris: DEMOCRATS ARE PUSHING ABORTION AND HERE IS THE PRETTY FIFTHY EXCHANGE AFTER KAMALA HARRIS FALSELY SUGGESTED DONALD TRUMP WAS OPPOSED TO IVF TREATMENTS. LET'S WATCH. >> I HAVE BEEN A LEADER ON FERTILIZATION, IVF. THE OTHER THING, YOU SHOULD ASK WILL SHE ALLOW ABORTION IN THE EIGHTH MONTH, NINTH MONTH, SEVENTH MONTH? WOULD YOU DO THAT? WHY DON'T YOU ASK HER THAT QUESTION? >> WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER THE QUESTION. >> UNDER ROE V. WADE YOU COULD DO ABORTIONS IN THE SEVENTH MONTH, THE EIGHTH MONTH, IN NINTH MONTH AND PROBABLY AFTER BIRTH. >> Harris: SO I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THIS. THE IVF IS SO FACT CHECKABLE AND KNOWABLE. HOW DID SHE NOT KNOW? HE TALKS ABOUT IT A LOT. >> HE TALKS ABOUT IT A LOT AND WHY THAT PORTION RESONATED. SHE HAS A MUCH STRONGER STORY WHEN IT COMES TO ABORTION AND REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. AHEAD 20 POINTS IN THE POLLS. LAST NIGHT I EXPECTED TO SEE A SIMILAR REACTION. SHE DID SEEM A LITTLE BIT FLAT FOOTED WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THIS AND UNPREPARED ON THE ISSUE. HE DOES HAVE A TRACK RECORD. THIS WASN'T THE BEST MOMENT THAT SHE HAD ON REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS BUT IT WAS FOR HIM. SHE HAD MOMENTS LATER THAT WERE BETTER. >> Harris: IT'S A PLACE WHERE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN LOOKING OKAY, THAT IS A BIG POINT SPREAD. HOW DO WE CATCH UP? LAST NIGHT IT WOULD SEEM YOU CAN CATCH UP ON THE FACTS PRETTY QUICKLY APPARENTLY. WE'LL SEE HOW IT SHAKES OUT. JAY, YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> I THINK IF THE REPEAL OF ROE V. WADE HAD NOT HAPPENED, THE SITUATION THAT HAPPENED IN ALABAMA AND THEIR SUPREME COURT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE GOOD WITH THE BAD. HIM SAYING I WANTED TO PUSH THAT BACK TO THE STATES. THE NEW MOTTO. AT SOME POINT YOU CAN FIND HIM ON AIR SAYING WE WANT TO GET RID OF ABORTION ALL TOGETHER. SO OKAY, YOU WANT IT PUSH IT BACK TO THE STATES THAT'S FINE. YOU WERE ABLE TO DO SO. NOW YOU HAVE TO ALSO TAKE THE BAD WITH WHAT HAPPENED IN ALABAMA AS PART OF THAT, TOO. YOU DON'T GET TO DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO. >> Harris: THAT'S INTERESTING. I WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TOPIC NOW. PRESIDENT TRUMP CALLED OUT V.P. KAMALA HARRIS FOR BEING IN THE WHITE HOUSE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS AND DAVID YOU SAID HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT EARLIER AND MORE OFTEN. HE DID IN THE CLOSE WHILE MAKING CAMPAIGN PROMISES HE SAYS SHE COULD HAVE ALREADY MADE HAPPEN. LET'S WATCH. >> SO SHE JUST STARTED BY SAYING SHE WILL DO THIS AND THAT AND ALL THESE WONDERFUL THINGS. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 3 1/2 YEARS. THEY'VE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS TO FIX THE BORDER. THEY'VE HAD 3 1/2 YEARS TO CREATE JOBS. ALL THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT? SHE SHOULD LEAVE RIGHT NOW, GO DOWN TO THAT BEAUTIFUL WHITE HOUSE, GO TO THE CAPITOL, GET EVERYONE TOGETHER AND DO THE THINGS YOU WANT TO DO. YOU HAVEN'T DONE IT AND YOU WON'T DO IT BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN THINGS THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE IN. >> Harris: YOU HAD A FAIRLY LARGE PORTION WITH HAND DIALS. EVERYBODY IS DOING THIS REALTIME. YOU ARE GETTING IT. WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE? >> SO I THINK THIS WAS AN EXERCISE OF FRAMING. IT WAS ONE OF THE BEST THINGS THAT DONALD TRUMP DID LAST NIGHT. HE FRAMED SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WILL REMEMBER, WHICH IS IF SHE IS SAYING SHE WILL DO ALL THESE THINGS WHY HASN'T SHE DONE IT IN THE LAST 3 1/2 YEARS? A QUESTION A LOT OF VOTERS HAVE AND A LOT OF DEMOCRATS HAVE. YOU DIDN'T SEE DEMOCRATS GO LOWER WHEN HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT. THEY WANT TO KNOW WHAT WILL BE DIFFERENT NOW AND WHAT WILL YOU DO DIFFERENT? IT WAS A VERY SMART EXERCISE? FRAMING. HE SHOULD HAVE DONE IT EARLIER. HE COULD HAVE DONE IT THROUGHOUT. IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL THINGS HE DID. >> Harris: TWO REAL QUICK. DAVID AND THEN AMANDA. >> I THINK BOTH OF THEM ARE FIGHTING OVER THAT MANTEL OF CHANGE. THE COUNTRY POLLS HAVE SHOWN MAJORITY OF VOTERS AREN'T HAPPY WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTRY. HARRIS IS A REPRESENTATION OF THIS ADMINISTRATION, TRUMP IS SAYING LOOK I'M THE CHANGE CANDIDATE. HARRIS IS SAYING SHE IS YOUNGER, A DIFFERENT GENERATION OF LEADERS, THEREFORE TRUMP IS BASICALLY AN INCUMBENT AND ULTIMATELY THE VOTERS WILL DECIDE WHICH VERSION OF THAT THEY AGREE WITH. >> Harris: WE ONLY HAVE ONE LEADERSHIP IN THE WHITE HOUSE AT THE TIME. HE IS NOT IT AND SHE IS THERE. NO DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THEM. SHE AND BIDEN. SHE TELLS US THAT ALL THE TIME, AMANDA. >> WE ALSO KNOW THAT IN A DEMOCRACY THE PRESIDENT IS STILL HAS SUPER POWERS, THEY CAN'T DO EVERYTHING. THERE IS A SUPREME COURT AND CONGRESS. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE THINGS SHE HASN'T DO IS JUST PROCEDURAL. MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN THAT SHE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL AS THE VICE PRESIDENT. I GOT CHECKS IN THE MAIL FOR THE CHILD RESCUE ACT. I NEVER GOT ANYTHING FROM THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION DURING COVID WHEN WE WERE FLOUNDERING. FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER KAMALA HARRIS PUT TOGETHER A GUN PREVENTION AND GUN SAFETY COMMITTEE. MY CHILDREN ARE SCARED TO DEATH. THREE CHILDREN IN PUBLIC SCHOOL AND SCARED TO DEATH TO GO TO SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THE GUN VIOLENCE PROBLEM IN THE COUNTRY. SHE PUT TOGETHER A PANEL THAT SAID WE'LL DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. SHE ACTUALLY HAS BEEN HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL. >> Harris: I FEEL LIKE WE WANT TO HAVE A REPUBLICAN RESPONSE. SHOW A HANDS, ANYBODY? THEN WE'RE DONE. >> I THINK THAT HER FIRST QUESTION ARE AMERICANS BETTER OFF TODAY THAN THEY WERE WHEN YOU CAME INTO OFFICE 3 1/2 YEARS AGO? AND SHE SIDE STEPPED IT. SHE WALKED AROUND IT. SHE HAS NOTHING TO POINT TO. NOTHING THAT HAS DONE ANYTHING BUT TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY WEAKER, TO LOOK AT OUR ECONOMY, LOOK AT IMMIGRATION. SHE HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO POINT TO ONE THING THAT SHE HAS DONE AND IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM. IT WILL CONTINUE FORWARD. >> Harris: IT IS FASCINATING TO ME HOW DIFFERENT YOUR TAKE WAS. YOU HAD SPECIFIC EXAMPLES. SHE HAS BEEN VICE PRESIDENT FOR 3 1/2 YEARS AND AS DAVID AND JEANINE WERE SAYING SHE COULDN'T DO WHAT YOU JUST DID. THAT'S A PROBLEM. >> I THINK SHE HAS AND WE'LL SEE