Auburn vs Cal: Post Game Reaction

warport family we are live the final game is over Auburn loses Falls to California Golden Bears 21-4 in Jordan here falling to one and one on the season we're gonna talk about it joining me is Dylan Lark I'm gonna go ahead and I'm gonna go first Dylan let let you collect your thoughts I know I'm reading people's comments there's a lot of frustration with QB playing what we saw rightfully so rightfully so there's really only one person that we should be disappointed in and want answers from and that's the head coach you can't blame Philip Montgomery and this was the QB that you doubled down on this was the guy that you said that you believe you can win games with in year too you got a new offensive coordinator you put the right you got went out and got receivers you did all the things to surround your QB you come out in this game and you just got out coached just got out coached on both sides of the ball I I like the adjustments that DJ Durkin made at the half Auburn came out much more aggressive Mendoza be to look really regular once he got some pressure on him and that stopped a lot of the bleeding which enabled your offense to have time to get back on the field obviously because California is out executing you they're able to pin you deep you not you're not even comfortable with where you are to where we have to now start running the football not mad at that but even then when it comes time to throw the ball Cal just pins their ears back and there's nothing to counter Punch or counteract the pressure you have to understand that they're going to bring pressure now on pton Thor in obvious passing situations just got out coached out executed the turnovers is that six now ESPN keeps going back and forth but I have six turnovers I believe because that's five interceptions by pyton Thorne and the fumble bar jarquez we turned the ball over six times I have five on ESPN did I five they're showing five but that it was five before pton Thorn threw that last pick it was showing a total of five so I'm not sure five or six either way too many too many we clearly Auburn clearly loses the turnover battle against Cal there's only one person you got to hold accountable for this if you're mad at pay Thorne if you're upset with pay Thorne be upset with the guy who double down on him and I'm pretty sure this is going to be a tough postgame presser for Hugh fre because he's going to be ask some tough questions I'm eager to see how he responds but this is on Hugh frees in the coaching staff in all facets all facets Dylan go ahead yeah uh I mean I I mean at halftime I came out and I said maybe it's too early to start the conversation about making the switch a quarterback but second half came around pton Thor thre through three interceptions yeah and I don't know of many quarterbacks that are able to go into a weak with after throwing one touchdown and four interceptions with their job still intact that's a bad work day and that's bad enough to where you might lose your job I can the offense did not look any different uh when it came down to it they had a drives where they went down and scored a lot of those yards came from penalties against Cal uh I I the the loss was not on the refs but the refs W didn't help much either but this game is solely on the offense and they tried to make up for it at the end but they tried they tried I apped their effort for trying to get Al back in the they tried to help they they gave us more offense than uh certain people did yeah I think I think we got more yards there at the end do the refs D than we actually did uh there's something about the fact that we heard all off season long how confident Hugh frees was in this running back room and then we we walked out on the field versus Alum A&M and we were oh we can pass the ball now and that was just a a smoke screen to how much this team does not want to run the ball I cannot believe that cam Coleman made that catch got hurt and then no no one told him to go down no one try to get him out of the game and then the next play they c a deep ball where where Cam Coleman was the main Reed and that interception was it underthrown yes I can put some of the blame on p on pton Thor for that pass but when your when your main deep threat is hurt tell him to go down do something get him out of the game don't just I yeah I just this press conference is gonna there's gonna be almost like they kind of gave up yeah the the effort was not there after a little bit I this press this postgame conference is going to be wild and hre is gonna get a lot of questions about the quarterback room going into this week after week two after week two yeah we have we have q QB get in here man what what's your thoughts I told y'all I told y'all last year I told you in Spring too he's the same dude you get the same dude some better toys the same dude for INT it should have been five they took one off the board because of a penalty same dude I don't know if I'm more upset at Hugh freeze not pivoting at all after last season of pton thorn the one person who had the ability to say no I've got to get something better I don't know if it was money I don't know if nil investment was the issue but I know that better options were on the table I saw Miami dismantle Florida dismantle behind some very good quarterbacking play might I add of Cam Ward I don't know if he was too expensive I know that whatever we're paying pton Thorne we just got one touchdown and 4.5 interceptions at home and this is where the magic happens though right this is where a six win Auburn team takes Alabama the SEC Champion to the wire this is where that happens on that Hallowed Ground we got beat handily by New Mexico state handily by a lower tier group of five team and then honestly very convincingly by Cal cuz it's not like they did a lot in the second half broke a big run defense have been on the field all game all game they shouldn't have to be on the field that long because the offense should be holding possessing the ball moving the ball and scoring points they couldn't do it so instead what we got going on is very a very mediocre quarterback who Hugh frees insisted he could make look better this year so we got one game of everybody being hyped up and everybody was saying this is the old PT this not the old PT this is just Pon Thorn one game of him looking better is not he wasn't new this that wasn't a new pton Thorn that was just the old pton Thorn doing a little doing a little shimmy see the old pton Thorn did a little shimmy they like oh he's new no he's not same guy he Learn To Shimmy off in off season yeah that's it so for game one he he did a little move everybody like oh look it's different no it's not it's not different it's the same dude the question was always not can you take a mediocre quarterback and make him look better with enough stuff around him the question was always is this the best quarterback that we can put out there after last season and after the Maryland game it was pretty clear the answer was no this is not the best option for Auburn University to have a quarterback so the spring comes he like no this is what we're doing okay you can you can make it look better hey you finished that recruiting class that we we put together okay then we're going to see if it was really about the talent all right I saw one guy missing open wide receivers not pulling the trigger on other open wide receivers I saw one guy throwing four ints at some point listen one or any I one int can be the fault of anybody you could have pressure on you somebody push it alignment in your lap alignment is bearing down on you Aon throw tip off the hands of the of a wide receiver that can happen to anybody that'd be great if that was just one and that was the only interception he threw that was not the only interception he threw right there may have been some communication issues because of the way he was where he was throwing to it spots it looked like the wide receiver wasn't going that way I don't know if that was inaccuracy or a bad read on his part a bad read on the wide receiver's part hu freeze I'm sure will tell us some of that and some of that can be gleaned from from the breakdown when ik does the film but I hope that we're past this idea that Payton Thorne was always going to be the answer here he was never going to be the answer here and anybody who was actually watching the games last year knew that he was not a good quarterback could he be a serviceable one was the question and we had hopes that he could that was the hope that was the hope could he be serviceable maybe and then he threw four ints and we lost at home to a team that I don't know if they finished off for 500 last year uh they had the same record as with us six and seven so they went to a bow game yeah yeah we probably outmatch them in Talent player for player probably 10 out of 11 positions on each side of the ball and we got beaten soundly at home I'm embarrassed I'm short on some money I actually bet on us to cover for the game $50 I'm never go to see again I just I would feel worse if I really believe that he was like oh no this is the quarterback that's going but I never thought that I was hoping he could be better than he had been but I think we can see that we've got serious issues at quarterback I don't know if you start warming up Hank at this point I mean I'm sure he'll get asked you will get asked and then we'll get some answers and we'll get to think about that and talk about that for a while but I was never convinced and I'm sad that we didn't go get somebody better in the portal but we got to work with what's on the roster so let's see what you does me I think you got to save your recruiting class because you gota this this year two was the year you show Pro proof of concept on field yeah I don't know how you show proof of concept with what we said he has six interceptions he's averaging three picks a game wait what averaging three interceptions a game right now well two 2.5 I say 2.5 because they took away they I'm talking about all the six turnovers but he's averaging two interceptions a game he's averaging two picks a game two I will say I don't think this takes it feels more like a a forcing into the proof of concept because of the amount of force balls down the field because of the lack of the Run game at certain points of the game because you're trying to get the ball deep to a visibly injured cam Coleman it feels like you're trying so hard to show off to the com to the recruits that I still don't I'm still not going to believe the fact that Auburn's goingon to struggle recruiting after this I think this does more for Duce Knight than what we're seeing because I think he's still going to look at the quarterback room like dang this is a very talented team cam Coen made some plays uh kls made some plays even though he's gon gon be here for a year I mean the proof of concept is still there in in the sense of all they can see the talent on the team but I mean at time the offense it offensive line needs to be a heavy emphasis now going forward in recruiting Andrew babalola please you will start immediately if you commit here uh it just I don't know I I I see a lot of comments where I kind of scroll through I see people were kind of saying it's gonna take tank our recruiting class I don't think it does as much damage J no no no we're not talking about one game not talking about one game no no no what I'm saying is there has to be some pivot either in your approach to how you how you game plan and prepare because again they got out coach on offense they got out coach they did they do Cal was just blitzing up the middle that wasn't nothing exotic that wasn't anything they just were sending more people than we could block it looked like Gus for a minute because pton was just there I don't again film review I don't know I don't know who was open if he just overlooked but if if Cal has been sending Defenders more more Defenders than you can block and Peyton is just back there holding the ball waiting for someone to get open no screens no short passes no nothing to counteract that we be anyhow coach it also comes down to there's something I kept seeing with the team it was the the complete Reliance on the play action pass when the offensive line is getting pressured every play and you Give Up On The Run game you can't call play action if you're not going to run the ball there there does seem to be an overc commitment to showing everybody the tools that we have in the tool belt like we've got to air this thing out we've got to look impressive we've got to show the recruits willing to throw this thing that's great if you've got the trigger man to do it and again I think it's fair that everybody had questions on if pton Thorne could beat that last year Hugh free said no no no he can't can all right I mean it's not like we get to vote you the coach you going to recruit you going to coach them up so you make the call and it I I don't think this was a big brain mathematic equation that only somebody with 30 years of coaching experience could see even at times last year where Payton Thorne if I if I if I take into account that um the r OC last year Phillip what why can't I think of his last name Montgomery Phil Montgomery if what he was calling and how he was running the offense was really the biggest problem of last year which is something that Mike has said after he talked to pton th and other people like well Philip Montgomery wasn't really doing exactly what he freeze wanted him to do okay I let let's say that's true even with that being the case when you're between the numbers and you're playing ball if I scheme up a wide openen dude it doesn't matter if you don't like the way I coach you it doesn't matter if I didn't go over uh the fundamentals in this way it doesn't matter if the way we rep it and practice is something you don't like I schemed a wide openen receiver or tight end or whatever it is and you have to hit him can you do that like the noise kind of Falls away once you're between the lines you call a play and I see the play there to be made and when I attempt to make it I miss I get my players hurt I get my tight end's ribs cracked because of of they have to reach and extend something that we saw a little too much this game not throwing it in stride to protect the guys who are catching the ball we've seen that from him now everybody want to say maybe it was the system maybe it was the coaching last year okay I still don't think that that should be an excuse but if I'm going to take you at at at your word I can see how a bad boss can make your job more difficult and more stressful than it has to be I think we can all relate to that poor management even if your job isn't that bad your management being bad your direct supervisor of being bad how he runs things how he makes y'all do the tasks that y'all do that can make your job more stressful than it has to be and it can have an effect on your work performance so I was willing to give that Mulligan to pton Thorne just like a lot of people were let let's see what it's like this year going to get you better wide receivers I'm going to upgrade everybody's computer in here it's getting a better computer and everybody can take an extra 30 minutes for lunch and I'm paying for lunch and we all going out to the restaurant we not just having lunch in here we not doing that everybody by that uh little C pizza for lunch no we're going to the the the buffet down the street on on the company okay that's how things change they talked about how much better the locker room was this year right the locker room was supposed to be a difference as far as the the positive attitudes everybody buying in four interceptions better wide receivers supposedly uh a more cohesive coaching strategy more byy in four interceptions against probably the worst power four team we will play this year this was the worst Power four team that we're gonna play this year I don't know if Arkansas is decent everybody looks better Arkansas looks a little better that's the worst team we know vy's better they coming with the they coming with the the big Joker that that got us last year looking better already with a power five win that they couldn't get last year where do you find wins this year where I'm I'm I'm concerned I I think there was a fair reason for questioning Payton Thorn last year but you Hugh Freez man this is on you you said this was a dude that's my point what I'm saying is what I'm saying is at this point I don't know how you continue with what you've been doing and get a different result there has to be some pivot yeah I don't know what that pivot is but it has to be a pivot yeah your pivot options are let me see here uh Hank Brown holding Garner or Walker white there your pivot if you want the if you want the fan base back because you're about to get a whole lot of whole lot of noise let me let me start with uh let me start with one comment here actually we we have we have uh Mike G joining us live from the field I know you hurt yeah yeah people can't wait to see Mike Mike are you ready he gives me the thumbs up bringing Mike in Mike G tough day at the office for Auburn here uh obviously this was a short presser what what what did You observe in the presser and and what did you observe overall uh can you guys hear me okay yes sir yeah a lot of disappointment uh I think Q frees understands that this offense did not do the job today um look uh in the first half we were pretty adamant like look I don't know there were a lot of people on social media blaming pton Thorne for what we saw but I want to be clear that second half was on him uh it was yeah it was on him now uh you know he free took like maybe five questions in the post game today uh felt like a lot of the media did not want to ask questions if I knew he only going to take five I probably would have asked him some more questions but guys this was a different offensive game plan that they came out with than what we saw last week versus Alabama A&M I did not understand uh what they were trying to do he knew earlier in the week that they were going to load the box and try to stop the run and he said that you know in on in the Monday presser uh and that's exactly what they did they slowed Auburn down and they went to the pass game uh Thorne delivered on that first drive you know uh when they went down marched down the field for a touchdown um but I want to underscore how many different receivers caught passes last week and at halftime the only receivers that had caught balls wide receivers let me let me stipulate were Keandre Lambert Smith and cam Coleman now that first interception if you're cam Coleman you you you're brought here to make that catch he's a young man he's gonna be a star here at Auburn uh but that's a catch you got to make learning moment for him the other three interceptions the guys were really hard to defend um you know so uh not a great day for you know at the office for pton Thorne the last pick for cam Coleman uh yeah I'm talking about every pick thrown in the second I'm talking about the one with Cam Coleman though I I know of the four you there's one he tried to throw to cam Coleman deep that got picked off yeah like he it hit cam in the hands and it ricocheted off and it was intercept oh okay okay you about that first got the first the first one you know that's on cam uh but the other three definitely on Payton uh look guys you know at the end of the day um I think there was an expectation after last week that this offense would just be better um and that the play calling would be better and and quite honestly it you know for much of this game it looked like a lot of the same yeah you you you you upgraded the talent uh you know you went out and you got new coordinators and this look eily similar to what we saw last season so you know he's got to get this fixed I feel like a lot of the issues were systemic but you know um I'm I'm having a hard time going out and saying oh well the guys got to make plays and they got to execute uh you know pass protection was lacking I think that that should be a worry for the rest of the season uh he said that he said that you know we could not pass protect and Payton was under a lot of the rest trying to go down the field and make something happen uh you know and I agree with them it just seemed like Cal did a really good job mixing it up on defense uh dropping back into coverage at times and making it difficult on this offense to operate consistently now uh I I do want to underscore and and this is by no means an excuse but there were key calls in this game that definitely stalled out drives uh there were a few pass interference calls that definitely should have been called one on Robert Lewis running down the field he was clearly grabbed and tri they didn't call anything that stall that Drive uh you know and uh I don't think this was a well afficiated game and when it's tight you know that can hurt you now if you're Alburn you got to be better than that you have to be better than letting those things be able to affect the game the way that they did uh that didn't happen today so it's quiet here and and look it was a great turnout today it was a great environment to start today um the white out looked amazing but behind me you have a massacre this is a Battlefield where Auburn got massacred in their own house by a team that they are absolutely better than so uh you know I'm reading the comments here this is yeah like I said a lot of disappointment I think in the building today where does Auburn go from here Mike in your opinion uh because obviously we we talked about what the floor was and I think you know we did boss toss and loss and I think in everyone's boss was Cal I think one person may have put him in the toss one I think may have not Dylan but uh Dustin may have put him in a toss I think y most people had this as part of Auburn's floor where does Auburn go from here with Arkansas in two weeks coming not looking forward to up updating my boss lost toss graphic with with the actuals um but where you go is you go into assessing pass protection and quarterback look you know get I mean yes they did not protect kton Thoren great in this game but look man that you know with just under three minutes left in the game Caesar and no timeouts but plenty of time to draw to to to drive down the field and tie the game he threw an interception that he absolutely cannot throw as a guy who's been in college playing football for five years right right that ball that he threw up to cam Coleman was bad and I get that you know H fre talked about catch radius and having wide receivers with catch radius um but he turned a 5050 ball into an 8020 ball for the other team that's what that throw was and and look man we see something different in the stadium sometimes that you guys see on TV I try to have the game up on my computer so I can see a little bit of what you guys are seeing but even when I went back and looked at that play it was it was bad it was it was not good it was a bad ball and I don't think it was reasonable to expect cam Coleman to go up and fight for that one it was underthrown the DB was clearly underneath the pass and it ended the game effectively right was hurt on that play too well that's what they were saying like Ike was saying that people in our comment section were saying that like that he was hurt and and so again I question the player rotations in this one guys we didn't where was Malcolm Simmons in this game right right now I mean when they did put him in and and they got the ball to him instantly up the field for like 11 yards but we didn't see the young guys that they had on display that you went out made a big deal about and I question it because earlier in the week I asked him about Malcolm Simmons starting over Robert Lewis and he said that's because we had a certain play call then you sent Robert Lewis out there and and and I hate to say it but he was a non-that for most of this game so you took options away from Payton Thorn essentially I you it didn't look to me we got to go back and iel do great watch the film on this didn't look like he was getting a lot of separation or getting to a point where he was you know a threat on most ples but you Shrunk the offense essentially they went into 12 Personnel late in the game guys there was a play where you had Luke deal on the field and you guys know I love Luke great person but he didn't catch a pass all last season and I'm thinking ralo's not in the game L's on the field cam is hurt who are you throwing the ball to this was a little bit of mismanagement on the coaching part uh I may upgrade that from a little to a lot you know tomorrow after I had a chance to go back and rewatch but you know this was a little bit of coaching malpractice they have time to get it fixed and I don't want to go all super negative for everybody who's watching I see we almost got a thousand people here on this post name uh but you know Auburn's got to get it turned around quickly uh look the schedule doesn't get any easier from here and we talked at nauseum about the importance of getting these first four games now you dropped one and Arkansas you know they ended up losing but they look better than maybe that we thought now suddenly that do look like a boss game right if you going to Oklahoma two and two yikes man so you this season could come off the rails and so could this recruiting class that everybody's heralding so um they've got proof of concept is so important and I think you know he he understands that You' got to continue to prove it uh and show recruits what they could be playing but this was disappointing man I mean this was a power five opponent that you know left the conference they were in they were not that good in record last year and they came into your house and you you let their quarterback outplay you and I can't I I'll tell you this nobody wants to give him credit but I'm gonna give him Mendoza played the first half of his life right uh it was not just I mean he was throwing dots out there guys for that first half and and you have to give him credit for playing such a good game uh you know because ultimately look at the numbers alurn didn't give up a ton on defense defensively uh they scored 21 like C scored 21 points off of turnovers I put 14 of those points on the offense I expected them to give up seven which is exactly what they gave up but you gave them a short field twice and they scored and I think without that you know alurn maybe wins this game so offensively they have a lot to answer for and and where they go from here Caesar is you go back to the drawing board and you rethink everything you rethink the Personnel groupings you rethink the quarterback you rethink the offensive line which we were told was a was was a worry and the you know you know moving Dylan Wade and Percy Lewis and Tyler Johnson around well caught up was today yeah you know dark West Hunter still averaged 5.7 yards per car the problem was when the offense became no threat to throw the ball it got really tight and he still was able to get him you saw pton Thorne be dangerous with his legs at the time in this game they just couldn't do anything consistently caught up with him and and they still had the ball under three minutes with a chance to tie and send this game to overtime and ultimately they could not execute when it mattered at what point I'm G ask a tough question Mike at what point does Hugh at what point does you have to listen to the voices for a potential changeing QB hey yeah it's funny the strike up the band for Hank Brown there have been a lot of people in our community have said they think you know by Arkansas Hank Brown would be starting I wasn't there those people are are running a Victory lap today yeah yeah yeah like they're they're louder they're getting louder by the minute um I think if you're Payton Thorn you got to H out and you got to have the game of your life next week versus New Mexico um and you got to hold on for zero life to try to hold on to this job because he free doesn't have another year for you to get it together and you don't even have another this is it for right so um look man the Hank Brown uh uh crew uh look man I mean you're right they are taking a Victory lap and you know if you're H freeze you got to be able to go to him at some point because you know what those deep balls that didn't have a chance today Hank Brown gives cam Coleman a chance he's got the best deep ball on the team now we and we've said that despite how well I thought Payton would play this season Hank ball has the best you know late in the game I thought even maybe they might try going to him because they knew they were going to have to throw it deep and uh you know like I said Bree same seems content to take the L here and stick with it uh but we'll see if that resolve sticks going into you know the following weeks and to keep Hank Brown at Bay you have to play really really well next week or I think come Arkansas you've got to consider a QB change you know and and you know that may that may seem uh um Brash to some people uh but again you don't have time you don't have time like you know this was an experienced guy that you got in the portal and you needed him to come in and play well and you recruited him because of his experience because he was supposed to get you to that place where you could get a freshman QB and develop that guy and it has not happened to this point so I was all for Payton Thorne um and I think you know I I don't I don't see benching him right now but I'll tell you what like that leash is going to get real short here come next week if he doesn't have an excellent game well does a does a big game against Mexico really keep his job like any closer from losing it because I I we were just getting done talking about this week how great he played against Alba ANM and I mean I can go ahead vouch I felt confident about him going to this cow game but I don't know if a New Mexico game for pton Thorne really settles my my fear of the quarterback position oh yeah not yours right but the question is how is f frees going to look at right and that's the question want to answer right and in his mind the line had a lot to do with how pton dor played today so if you're Q freeze and you convinced yourself that there were other factors outside of thorn that contributed to you know what we saw particularly in that second half I'm not saying whether it did or didn't then you are giving him the next and you are letting him roll into Arkansas right I think the excuses evaporate you know after Arkansas maybe but like I don't C fre pulling the plug on pyton Thorne after he put his full weight behind him this off season he did not go after a portal QB and people you know ended up praising him for it he said it would be different I believed him uh but ultimately you know it was a mix of thing again that second half is on him but maybe you're not there Dylan if the game plan in the first half had been better which I'm not sure I'm convinced that it was uh you know they again they pulled the plug on everything they did well last and they went back to a 12 Personnel package with tight ends on the field who are no threat to catch the ball somehow we've minimized raldo Fairweather to glorified you know second and nine guy right like I I don't like it was last year all over again at points Mike agreed agreed and so you know this was supposed to look different and as soon as they came out I had questions I was like dude what are we watching you ran a ton of 11 personnel last week and and you had Perry and Malcolm on the field I I'm telling you I question starting Robert Lewis after what we saw from Malcolm Simmons last week I do I question not putting another Jan breaker because look man Robert Lewis is a solid wide receiver but after today I'm not sure if he's an SEC wide receiver Malcolm Simmons definitely is so I you know again you know sometimes you got to get to that desperate point before you pull the plug and put the most talented players on the field because he seemed to lean with experience and again you don't happen that you can't go six and seven again this year if you're freeze you absolutely can't man you got to find your way to at least seven wins and maybe eight but boy let me tell you something this puts this throws a lot of cold water on the bug that we had going into this one again I'm not going to go negative nany on everything just yet but um you know like they've got to get it fixed here I think this week and they need a strong showing versus New Mexico and you got to beat Arkansas you got to be three inone headed into Oklahoma or Oklahoma's going to come in here and they're going to have the time of their life and they've been look the last few games versus Oklahoma on neutral sites have not gone well for all mik G appreciate you man taking time out to talk with us uh you will be with us on the weekend tailgate tomorrow correct I will I'll have more thoughts guys it's going to this is going to be a hard rewatch but I'm going to do it for you guys for all 10,000 of you that are here will rewatch this one all right well appreciate you joining us uh sideline reporting uh we will see you tomorrow on the weekend tailgate man all right guys don't don't drink yourself asleep no I gotta go out somewhere so no I won't be drinking all right all right that's Mike G uh that is Mike G joining us sideline let's get into some of your comments because you guys have a lot to say we're going to run through these as quick as we can Stephen Neely appreciate the Super Chat he says safe to say we all bought into the hype from week one performance clearly this team has much to work on but was this performance bad enough from pyton Thorne to give Hank Brown a look at qb1 before SEC play again I I'll say it again not a lot of quarterbacks can go into a week with a one one to four touchdown interception ratio when able to walk out of that with their job intact still I don't know if Auburn makes the switch but the the conversation has to be had with the coaching staff the ey test Stephen I would say you have to begin the lease is shorter for sure I just think that because everything was so bad today that unfortunately this coaching staff in a sense bail pton Thorne out in a sense I know that hurts I know you don't want to hear me say that but the game plan was not like this offense looked like 2023 and we didn't even see we only saw one of the new or two of the new receivers you brought in three if if if you if you you know three but I'm just saying you don't you didn't see Malcolm Simmons you didn't see did Perry Thompson get out there did you see Perry Thompson out there didn't see Perry Thompson or Sam Jackson and I don't I I because of some of the decisions these coaches made I could see them and I'm not saying this is right guys but what I'm saying is I could see them holding themselves accountable first before evaluating and determining if they need to Pivot from pton Thorne I see that happening first really do I would be surprised if you freeze or I'll be surprised if we see a new quarterback next week I would I would because because of what all went wrong this week in the preparation and the play calling and all of that I see pyton Thorne being getting getting an opportunity I still see him as the QB they clean everything else up because again that's been that's what we've been told up to this point Dylan is we got to get we we got to improve the talent around him we got to make sure that we have the coaches on the same page we got to make sure every we we got to fix all this stuff in order for Payton throw in a playback and because a lot of things clearly from my eye test I'm not a coach but I can tell there was a lot of other things that went wrong in addition to pton Thorne I believe that this coaching staff in the same theme is saying if we fix these things over here we'll see if pyton plays better I'm not saying the right I'm just saying that's likely the direction I see this coaching staff going in I I just if I was a coach I don't know how confident I would be espe because I I I I don't know man I'm I'm so out a lost for words at what I saw in the second half but again I'm blaming freeze for this like I'm not even mad at pyton Thorn like for real like this is this is who he is this is who he is this is I'm looking squarely at I'm focusing on H freeze at this point I don't care you had an opportunity to to address this in the off season you had an opportunity I don't care if he threw eight picks in this game this was your guy this was supposed to be different and it's not what's up Hugh what's up talk to me talk to me big dog I don't care like I don't care whatever payt thorn does he does because he's been doing it all this time this was supposed to be different why isn't it I'm just looking at one person the man who brought him here and is keeping him here and refusing to get him off the field Suburban Meyer Stevie Wonder could have thrown fewer picks hey probably right if he gets in the game Mojo Nixon loves fried assume chicken why can't we have nice things good question Mojo where you go to that good question I don't have an answer chriso says respectfully Thorne better not start another game for us I tried to be optimistic it's over for p Thorne no more leash left and this is where again this is what I asked Mike at what point does Hugh freeze have to address the voices at what point I don't think he's there yet I really don't think he's there yet I think K Thorne has one more game before he has no choice but to Pivot I don't think we're there yet Dylan because we're not in conference play yet I don't think we're there I could be wrong hope that I'm wrong but I don't think that we're there yet what do you think I think we're there in the sense of he'll have to answer for it he'll have to people are going to start asking questions again I you can't throw four interceptions in the game ever and then go into the next week with your job still fully yours 100% on your hype train and with New Mexico state next I mean you can't not look at Mexico New Mexico that's New Mexico state New Mexico the Lobos you can't look at them down the field and down down a week from now and think maybe maybe sometimes we should give Hank Brown some some chance with the ones let's just see how he can run the scheme a little bit more I think you got to try to find that you can still rock with pton Thorn at your starting quarterback against New Mexico but I don't think you should be able to throw him into a the the ring of fire if we see this pton Thorn again against Arkansas and then you hit immedately throw Hank Brown in there I I think you start to have a conversation with the coaching staff hey maybe we let Hank Brown take some of the Reps the on that way in case we do see this Payton Thorn again which after last year and after this game uh might might might come into play a little earlier because I know I'm getting clowned for saying it's only week two in the halftime thing I keep seeing that as a I'm I yeah I I go ahead and eat my words that was that was a rough second half for me to have just said maybe we chill out the painon Thor benching things yeah that's uh yeah we can start the conversation now be will did you hear my my point on this uh I basically said that the what we've been told is everything needs to be corrected around Peyton Thorne to get a better pton Thor because of what all went wrong a lot went wrong in addition to pton Thorn I still think he has one more game he's got two he's got two B gives him two I'm giving him one B says two because he's not gonna look that bad against New Mexico that so that's that's really the issue is he's gonna get another I'm saying he has one more game to blow it oh to look bad I I agree with that I agree with that one more yeah New Mexico is whatever assuming we win I can't I can't even make assumptions I can't even make assum at this point they have they have a a Diego pava level quarterback in DAV they've been competitive they've been competitive so far in this season they played week zero and week one I've kept up with them this is a quarterback averaging nine yards a carry um yeah here here here here it comes here Here Comes Dylan there it is I welcome did he free say that I said that that's what Dylan said I welcome that he's giving him his words back to him to eat I I'll do an official statement later on I'll apologize for that I that's second half can change a man it's whole whole outlook on the quarterback room yeah Ken says shallow Hugh when we passed on cam Ward that decision is not aging well at all when you consider what cam Ward is doing for Miami Rick kazin says trying to be fair to Thorne he doesn't lift up others he needs Pro level line wide receivers running back play for him to succeed he is a practice hero in game oh game zero game zero yeah that and that's that was the argument for him for anybody if we like him like oh he just needs better wide receivers and offensive line in in running backs and coaching if you need all of that to be better then that means anybody I put in there can be better if I'm going to give you NFL wide receivers and some NFL left and right Les to be good I can make some scrubs look good if I'm going have all that in here if we don't have that if this is what we got you got some NFL wide receivers buddy and we know that he knows that because he was probably targeting cam Coleman on almost every pass he threw so he knows that he's got some Talent out there but he's focusing too much on that Talent at times not making the better read you can't have it to where if everything is perfect around a quarterback then he can be good it's like listen this is college football everything's not going to be perfect we're not in the middle of a dynasty where we've been dominating recruiting in college football for three or four years and nine out of 11 positions on our our roster on each side of the ball are just stalwarts that we can count on to be elite day in and day out that's not the situation we need somebody who's good for what we are right now which means better pocket awareness can get rid of the ball more quickly and is accurate when they get rid of the ball like that's what what we're asking for here and yes you can do a better quarterback can do that Under Pressure it is not impossible to expect a quarterback to be able to make quick reads and accurate throws because pressure is coming or he is under pressure pressure should affect you and make you play worse it's supposed to that means the offensive line isn't perfect oh my the offensive line isn't perfect but that does not mean you have to be throwing four ints and getting blown out with terrible offensive performances against Cal against Maryland and against New Mexico state that that that is not the black and white hey either everything's Pro level around you or or you got to lose to teams you got no business losing to I don't accept that as that's not even sustainable at the pro level B because you lose offensive linemen you lose those guys you can't keep paying those dudes what they what they worth if they all of that yeah you will eventually get exposed yeah you will I say I do have the alurn dead release the official stats the game uh cam Coleman was targeted six times and was only able to catch two of them the dude can catch anything people trying to argue me like that was no man he touched the b a wide receiver touching the ball does not mean it is a good throw that is not what that means that means the wide receiver is making phenomenal efforts if he can get both hands on a bad pass I hate when people trying to make excuse for them who's going to Big Homie land say who's going to to throw them the ball Peyton I'm telling you it's pton Thor not my decision I'm just I'm just the huri I've been observing and listening to it's pain Thorn pain Thorn so Nina says I'm just gonna say it I'm not happy with Coach H freeze he can't give me a plate of crap and tell me his chocolate this car is going on too again this is what it see this is what I'm talking about right here this is it sonina this is it you're looking at the right person here at some point we got to look at Hugh and say hey Hugh you said it was gonna work baby yeah ain't working KL says great selling point for Duce Knight actually it is I think it's the opposite actually I because what what it means for Duce Knight du Knight was going to come in here next year pton Thor was going to be on the roster anyway sure he was not going to be on the roster anyway what you would have hoped if you were an incoming freshman right is that I'm going to get there and even though nobody expects me to compete if I get here in Spring work my tail off coming fall can't work my tail off and outplay the other guys maybe I'll get a real shot now that's a very small chance because you got Walker white who's thinking the same thing for next year Hank Brown who's definitely thinking the same thing for next year assuming that pton Thorne had just played through this year admirably and we looked good on offense so you got four at least three quarterbacks Duce Knight Walker white and Hank Brown I don't know if Holden is gonna stick around I think he probably doesn't who all think that they have a shot at the job right now what you're looking at is if this QB play continues Hank Brown's going to get elevated quickly because you can't afford to have this wide receiver core in here and have a quarterback playing like he did today these guys will leave and that great recruiting class that we've been ha for the last 9 10 months will be out the door and will be back at square one as far as wide receiver Talent he can't afford to have bad quarterback play with this talent that we have on this roster right now he will have to make a switch if we look bad going forward and that will Elevate Hank Brown and that gives Hank Brown a distinct advantage in a quarterback race for next year so if you're Duce night you're going oh I can maybe play my way in if everybody starting a ground zero in 2025 yeah but now if the the quarterback doesn't play well somebody's going to get a leg up on you because they will have the opportunity to play in real reps SEC football this year and he could excel in that situation so Hank could jump up show us what he's got it'd be impressive we win some games and now all of a sudden everybody else is just jockeying for number two in 2025 and I don't know if that's the best yeah I'm G push back slightly go ahead go ahead Dylan I say well D Knight's other options at this point one of them just lost the NIU uh is the other option though I don't I don't know if they're out of the woods because I I don't even know who Miss has been a kind of a quarterback camp for guys to kind of transfer to uh who who knows Fernando Mia might be in the portal looking for an SEC school after this year never know at this point uh I I think it still has a good selling point you got the Freshman receivers that clearly are they're going to try to show him off as much as possible hence the the stat sheet and I don't know if this what actually like says the snap count or anything it I don't think it does but yeah uh none none of the other guys got got targets outside of Malcolm Simmons who got that one you as a if I was a five-star quarterback I'm watching this game and I see that there's a lot of Talent on the field in the offense but there's someone struggling to get the ball to so I is that opportunity B I wouldn't panic I would be concerned about an old Miss trying to get in on a recruitment for dece KN um the only thing that I would say I would push back on is Hank Brown would be in his third year at Auburn and if you don't win the job in year one he'd be in his third year right that would be his red shirt sophomore year because he red shirt his red shirt sophomore year but that'll be Deuce Knight's freshman year right right even if you are are a prodigy of a QB it's rare that kid sees the field in year one which means by the time he's ready to compete if Hank Brown is the real deal Hank Brown will either be going to his final year or he'll be gone assuming everything goes right so I still think you can still talk you can sell the future to dece Knight even if that happens with the Hank Brown that'll be my only push back there I wouldn't be so concerned about that because Hank Brown would already have been on campus twice and he's playing so if he's actually being productive and well I don't see him writing out his whole eligibility I'll be surprised if he does that true you know I mean that's true so again I still think du Knight will still have to compete with Walker white which was expected the day he showed up anyway right that's true I'm with you on that okay let's get to let's get to this next one TJ Lou I hated the play calling me too TJ also guys I understand the old line was breaking down Peyton was not looking like an experienced QB Elite and experience QBs find ways to get the ball down the field you it's it's very interesting what happens usually is they're going to send you pressure and when they pressure you that means their defense is compromised from somewhere an experienced QB and play caller because this is also on play calling has plays called where the wide receivers are going to be in the spaces that the defense is vacated so if y'all are sended an extra linebacker hey that means the middle should be open one side of the field the middle should be open the second level should have a hole somewhere I should be able to get a guy there and my quarterback should be able to find him that didn't happen that did not happen I get we want to just be like oh single coverage cam coeman yeah that should happen but you overthrow him one time you underthrow him another time he can make something out of almost nothing you got to give him something you got to give him something so if you can't be not just oh I kind of got the ball to where the guy was going to be and the hole in the defense actually be accurate I as much as it's made about how much we know oh Robbie can't throw was the narrative last year right and he was throwing at at a 50% clip even though that was under Brian harson with most Auburn fans would tell you he is the absolute worst coach we've had in our hund um however many year history but okay so Robbie wasn't great but the coaching wasn't great and the wide receiver Talent wasn't great the offensive line wasn't great he's at 50% well now we're looking at a guy who threw four picks and he was just above 50% are you are you ready to throw throw him out are we are we ready is it time is it time yet because it looks like it should be time it looks like it should be time Payton Thorne doesn't make good throws even when he makes good decisions that's the most concerning thing about what's going on here on the field to me even when the decision is right to go to the guy you can't even put the ball in the right spot so the receivers don't have to fall down so the receivers don't have to make ridiculous circus catches circus catches can happen but they shouldn't have to happen the best quarterbacks are going to have their wide receivers running and staying on two feet so they can get to the end zone pyton Thorne from what I have seen cannot do that not against decent quality competition he can't do that forever bankroll says I want everyone to apologize to Kazan Johnson Mike G better be the man and stand on all of that thorn talk yeah I had to I had to run I'm I'mma watch the segment back to see what Mike G said I know he was probably somber I want I want to hear what m g said you do that you do that Alan Barry says not not that I'm saying anything you don't already know but if Auburn got boxed by Cal what's going to happen in SCC play same thing same exact thing probably worse V might put up 30 but that's the offense is Gonna Keep the defense on the field for uh let me pull up the what's this uh it was 35 they had 11 more minutes than we did JT Martin appreciate the Super Chat says I said Bo wasn't as bad as everyone said I told y'all harson was was cheeks uh after year one told you pyton Thorne was after two games four FN interceptions this is Bull and the Auburn family is tired of it I don't I don't think we've had the answer at quarterback maybe since Jared stum did well here but Nick Marshall was the last guy who I thought he can make something out of nothing and he Bo could have been it Bo could have been it but there was no support around Gus was the worst thing a victim he was a victim of of of of Gus he was a vict 2017 Jared St him I would definitely give that too but I I would argue for B on B's behalf he then we saw 2018 Jared STM which made me believe Jared STM wasn't the success it was the defense and and the the offensive line that was here in 2017 combined with Jarry STM skill set yes when's the last time you saw a guy that was you make us better because you're that dude that's not a lot say Nick Marshall yeah like that I say bck had that game against LSU he did he also had the game against Georgia State you're right you're right I'll give you that yeah Nick Marshall at that point because just Difference Maker all over the place yeah yeah we need that guy six Fuller says why no wide receiver screens to alleviate some of the pressure not nearly enough Slants this is what I was this is when I say we got out coached this is what I'm talking about right here they're clearly sending pressure and it's looking like the plays have to develop again I want to watch to watch the film with Ike to see what pton Thorne was looking at on some of these plays if we're able to see what that was if somebody was open he just didn't see them it's hard to say because some of those receivers ran it looked like they were running 10 yards down the field at least to get open so I don't know what they look like once they ran out of out of the out of the view but I'm I'm I'm wondering why there wasn't quicker throws or quicker reads for pyton Thorne to to make up for that it it felt a lot like a a 9-year-old playing a college football game where their entire offense was based around you know four verts and just trying to throw the ball down the field for all the highlight plays the intermediate passing game was nowhere to be found and when they tried to find it Lawrence said this but miss him he missed him and that's the difference that's the biggest difference with if I'm going to pressure you you're going to throw behind me quickly but you can't hit those passes then why am I going to stop pressuring you I don't even believe that you can hit that pass SL that's that's it if you make that pass consistently make that connection seven eight yard uh completion if the guy falls down if not if you can keep your your wide receiver on his feet it's a 12 15 yard completion and a first down if you can't make that pass why would I stop doing it it never stopped my defense worked the whole game after the first drive why would I stop doing that you haven't given me a reason to stop coming after you I'm gonna keep coming it's over yeah and it was over Lance Morgan $5 says what else do you have to see to put Hank put in Hank brown one more loss Lance I believe one more interception no first first first drive first drive versus New Mexico State interception and quarterback's what right there I don't know well I'll take that back I don't know if you have to see one more loss if I think if Auburn sees one more half like what Auburn saw today in the Arkansas game and it's CL I don't know it may have to be Out Of Reach if alurn loses to Arkansas then you gotta I think you gotta lose the game I don't see him putting Hank Brown in if the game is close because even g g no Gus didn't win against like Alabama and Georgia very much but he never let Arkansas do anything he's Gotta Lose It yeah yeah he did that was his one he was gonna beat he beat be he had a he had a Vengeance for Arkansas yeah man big says people overreacted to that A&M game pton Thorn is still pton Thorne he is Philip Coleman says if coach you free come to this press and say he wasn't in the game plan meetings because he was recruiting I may drive to Auburn I don't think he's G I'll be surprised if he says that uh I think Mike would have mentioned that if he said that I don't think that ain't gonna work this year dog I don't think H had many words after that loss heavy uh with the $ five Super Chat it says payon Thorn scammed us he SC this year one year two fool me once that's on Thor fool the second time the second year Dustin appreciate you says I'm a 21 year old kid man I cried last time I did was 2013 against FSU our fan base doesn't deserve this anyone who said Thorne is incompetent D last time I teared up for an Auburn game was that when I saw Coen Moore buff that punt and then Isaiah BL C that touchdown that was the last time I cried that hurt I didn't cry but you just gave me PTSD Au templin says DJ took too long to adjust to their QB he kept escaping to the to the sides in the second half it appeared that he started to Rush from the outside in but he made adjustments but he made adjustments he did they they shut them down and they had a big run but we we have to acknowledge the the connection between offense and defense here if the offense doesn't get first downs and move the ball the defense is on the field way too long I think we were out they had the ball for like was it 20 minutes to 10 minutes in the first half or something like that it was like you can't do that you can't you can't do that you can't do that so even if they've got a good game plan and they come out here hitting some passes and making some good catches by their wide receivers they were making catches I don't think I don't think B I don't think they believed that Mendoza could hit some of those I don't think he they believe he could drive up and down the field and make those throws Mendoza was putting it where the where it needed to be he was making the throws allburn needed pyton Thorne to make yeah he was doing all of that and then then DJ Durkin says all right we gon clock he said I see it all right that's coolock they they gave the defense gave the offense every opportunity to get back in this game and take control of the game every opportunity this is not on the defense 14 points surrendered and you've thrown three ints really seven if you count I mean because some of these scores came off of turnovers right off the turnovers that I forgot about that we put him on the 20 I give him seven I give him seven the first drive of the game the first drive of the game yeah I mean the offense gave up six and a half yards per pass uh then yards per Rush was 2 point n just like KP says oh I'll say it and say it again we've been had we've been took we've been hoodwinked Bamboozled left strike run a muck this will be a long season when does basketball start man it already ask when his basketball season be oh no not this soon we can't be on basketball it's only week two it's only week two no oh man you said you was going to stop saying that dyl hey I can say it for the basketball season okay fair enough Lance Morgan says Cal did the same thing last year shut down the run and make Peyton Peyton beat you and he cannot cannot Timothy Bennett says freeze tried too hard in the first half to be flashy but it just didn't work got to try something different or somewhat different TJ Lou says they sent the same Blitz because pton Thorne can't push the ball down the field which bothered me so bad if if there is an actual f physical deficiency in his game his arm strength is mediocre to poor he had when he throws the ball it's going to be in the air for a while you you're not going to get these zipped passes that can just shoot up the sideline before a Defender has time to react like that's that's not he can't do that he cannot do that we've got a lot of guys who are going to be great um down the field they're going to be great catching in in contested situations they're going to be great High pointing the ball because they've got length they've got size he can sail passes down there but when you don't have the arm strength to pinpoint accurate throw it you have a lot of room for error in where that ball sails left and right the longer it's in the air the more the wind or or a Defender can react and affect that that's the the the advantage of having a strong arm quarterback he he does he doesn't have that in his Arsenal I'm a little I was a little worried about it before last year excuse me last week or week one he was getting the ball where it need to go for the most part like okay well you know maybe he's actually playing better this year but if you're not going to be accurate with mediocre arm strength I I don't know why you're in there like that you can't you you're a liability at that point yeah forever bankroll says Mike G catfished this like it was Mike G my G just says he he believes that pton Thor will be different he believed like most people believe um and to be fair I I think for for me B Because B was like he is what he is my belief was that he would just make the right play right the the accuracy stuff okay we may see some of that be but when you're not even making the right plays right H free says he's starting to think like me I wonder was he thinking like d free was hyping him up with it yeah he gassed him so it wasn't just Mike G forever it was it was Hugh it was H he see the game how I see the game that's how you see the game Hugh did you see the game we saw the game we like the game in the off season when them lights come on I don't know if he's still seeing the same thing you say saying so Nina says I said last year coach H Freez was going to down at pton Thorn Hill I hope he's ready that's the heel he chose how much does coach H freze think the fan base will take if we if we have another loss like it's it's there's no shame to lose in football we have the talent now not just with the incoming freshman also with the transfers we should be a 8 to n Win team based on Talent eight I think nine wins is actually not an overreaction for what we should be based on talent but you can't lose to Arkansas in two weeks at home like you can't you can't do it you can't you lose to Arkansas to you blew out last year team you blew out last year can't get out couched by Sam Pitman that's um yeah yeah that that would get ugly that would get ugly that that will start to warm your seat I'm not saying nothing's going to happen but that that'll start the that'll start some Rumblings Antonio Smith says project Thorne is over let brown or the Freshman play what is what is his nil is benum worst QB play I've seen in a long time he's not wrong he pretty bad yeah thinon says need to know three things who were those refs don't know AC who was it that made the no offensive adjustments and are and are they even using the headset I mean well the headset goes off after at the 15c point of the play clock so if you just adjust your defensive schemes at like four 15 seconds it don't matter what you doing did in the head said hey you GNA do that you see him moving yeah 15 seconds all right now you move out you do over here and then your your quarterback is in just as much uh bad a bad situation as he would have been if if you had set your defense 30 seconds left on the play clock so it's there's some advantage to communicating but if you don't have the right play call and if your quarterback doesn't know what he's looking at this is gonna be the result Frankie free says man I'm done with having faith in just the Auburn football program period oh man Frankie I'm beyond exhausted with hoping for change until I see change I expect five and seven oh they broke they broke you Frankie I'm sorry brother since says terrible play calling and personnel management has ended up with pyton Thorne get oh Jeremy John oh man oh man I can't hate on Jeremy Johnson it's against my better nature Jeremy Johnson was indeed a victim um yeah Frankie free says pain Thor needs to pack his bags and head up uh 85 North to 75 North you gave him dire oh man Timothy Bennett says calling it now we lose at least three of the freeze four to the oh man Timothy listen he's got time to make it right like this this is week this is week two Dylan it's only week two it's only week don't do that to me man I'm gonna I'm gonna be Curt for that phrase if he makes the change then this turns around quickly we haven't lost in SEC game not that the season is is better we wouldn't have forgotten that you endorsed and hyped up a guy who played that badly three of the last uh six games on the field like that's really happened now three well three of the last five three of the last five games he's played awful so get rid of the guy put him on the bench bring in a guy who has been recruited by you uh Hugh Han Brown actually see what he can do he can push the all downfield better he's more accurate will he have some stuff to learn yes the the the fan base would be more forgiving for a guy who looks like he has more potential learning on the job like that you can accept that because the highs will be better if he has more Tools in his tool belt if you give us some better hid like what did pton Thorne do this game just like I don't know well maybe nothing nothing he did nothing like last year at Cal he made the play at the last second to Fairweather like I don't know that was kind of a I got it I'm I'm going get it out the mud and I'm going to make this play cuz I got to last year so we had some hope like it wasn't a good game but he made the play he had to make did you see that play in this game did anybody see like it's got to be here right now I need you to make a throw throw this dude wide open make this scramble and make a dude Miss like Dodge this pressure and then make a throw to get the first down did anybody see any play that looked like I don't know he might have it I didn't see those plays for pton th 2019 Auburn uh Gus Maan threw B knck into it right away and Auburn played very well with a freshman quarterback and all of any Bo any of B shortcomings came to the degree of he's a freshman he'll develop right like bo bo Knicks was not ready to be a starter in 2019 the defense was ready for the Big Show in 2019 we won nine games and Bo needed more experience if go out there with a a qualified starter he needed some coaching he did he needed experience the right coaches he all but going to ruin B knck yeah he almost did almost did that we don't I don't know if we have a 2019 level defense that can singlehandedly win us some games I don't know if this defense is that good I think they can be I think this defense can get there by the end of the year but we didn't we didn't have a fourth year Marlon Davidson and Derek Brown like we're talking Derek Brown is a is a pro bowl NFL uh defensive tackle do we have that type of Talent on the defensive line to where we can lock lock down people like that do we have that I don't think we have that I don't know for sure though maybe we got some of them in the tank M blockton I think could get there eventually I've been high on him ever since he signed uh he he definitely has the the build to be a Auburn's next I want to say it that way because I don't want to be like the next Cam Newton kind of kind of analyst but he has the potential to be up there with Derek Brown we shall see I hope so I hope so TJ Lou says the defense adjusted in the second half they did they did they did they did it felt awful because they they gave up all these passes 14 points is not a bad defensive game it's not 21 21 points I wouldn't say it's a bad defensive game it's not you can't score 24 points game yeah you you can't you can't score as an offense you can't score 24 points to win a a home game against a a team that you're far superior to in talent I think he had 202 yards at the half and he went on the throw for 31 yards in the second half that's an adjustment that's he had over 200 yards by halftime guys 24 points was the the lowest minimum for Iowa to keep their OC last year that's all they asked for for their OC was to get 24 points a game for Iowa yeah so Nina says our opponents don't need to play will we will help them win here take the ball Brian pter says a good game from pton Thorn versus New Mexico proves nothing to me means nothing mean Brian Bland just a member welcome good sir eug Akira says P Thorn starts next week uh help me withan CAM Coleman pton Thorne and Perry Thompson and Simmons all walk at the end of the year I don't think that they put that much G but the thing is if we have to watch fix it though he has got get fixed like can't get out September we can't get out of SE September in the same situ a we can't yeah yeah so Nina says we are now VY in the SEC that might be accurate yes Harvey mccre the third says Thorne had terrible misses he threw is short and long and most of the throws why are we cap capping or caping for this dude he was sorry in the first half too yes I don't know who the wi is but uh I don't know not but yeah you know I'm just saying what I what I'm expecting our coaching staff to do moving forward I think they're still trying to fix things around pton Thorne whether whether you think they should or not I think that's the course of action I was defending him at halftime but halim's over halim's over all right you gota jump man we'll catch you bro yeah man I holl at y'all y'all we gonna lick our wounds we gonna listen to this Monday press conference when when Hugh frees has had time to you know process we'll see rough we'll see what he says but I'll catch y'all tomorrow peace all right bro peace peace bu Robert says positive note defense can adjust well in the second half they can they can I agree find a light in the tunnel is a great idea Chase Patterson says see if he's not there yet what happens when PT balls out next week then let's Ary beats us one good game erase the bad all I'm saying is it's going to take another bad game probably a loss for Hugh freeze to completely pivot I don't think New Mexico does anything for p Thor's job security because again Arkansas is when you see that you see that happen I think I think it's Arkansas Arkansas you may even get a let me ask you this and I meant to ask this when B was on depending on how you play Oklahoma pay Thorne may be safe but if Auburn gets boat raced by Oklahoma I think that's let's say you beat Arkansas and then lose to Oklahoma it has to be it it was over early in the game it was over for that conversation to to to start back up again well we saw that's rough that's rough because next week you're on the road against Georgia so let's just just assuming Payton Thorne beats Arkansas is it the by week do you throw a freshman a ret freshman in against Georgia and Mikel Williams I don't know if you can no but if the game gets bad enough against Oklahoma I mean we've already seen against Maryland at the bowl game Hugh freze was willing to make a quarterback change in order to try to change the outcome of the game he's done it before is the thing we've watched it happen at Auburn well not at Auburn but in Nashville we seen it happen he has made the quarterback change before if Auburn beats but if if Oklahoma gets out to a big lead early and Payton Thor isn't doing much to help their case and he's doing what he's doing all he did today you got to make the switch I I you don't want to throw a freshman quarterback out under the bus and right in front of Michel Williams in that Georgia defense but two quarterback system ain't gonna work and you don't have a Robby Ashford to be able to throw in to run the ball you don't have a Robbie Ashford to have a two QP system yeah you don't have a you don't have a dual threat at all yeah if Oklahoma starts off rough you're putting in Hank Brown and you're gonna have to preach to him that week hey you're about to play Georgia that's going to be your first care start of Georgia and then you pray he makes it to the by week to get two weeks for Missouri I hear a lot of people in the see lot of people in the comments saying we don't have time to go ahead and start this process now I just don't think he's there I just don't think he's there even though the fans a lot of the fans are there and may have been there I don't think he's there yet I got my my kicks here could be in my feelings but it's time we're there get Han some reps with New Mexico and the the chips fall Peyton is Peyton what else do we need to see these These are these are the Cries From the fan base get louder you can only you could probably speedrun all the super chats because they're all about the same thing yeah yeah James Barnett here you go why do we keep giving Payton Thor Jes chance of the chance but wouldn't give other QBs in aimilar boat chances Hank needs a fair shot to get ready for SEC play Heavy says looks like I picked the wrong week to stop smoking sorry to hear that he sorry to hear that black Wing says as an as as an Auburn fan got me thinking did I did I eat did eat I Wrong Oh wrong pizza or can you make that out yeah I got mad type that one okay uh I'm the king 334 says at this point I think Thor trying to beat last year's interception stat uh he's he's what six away he's on Pace he's on Pace well well over he's he's well on his way to passing that heavy says look like I pick the wrong week to stop drinking the L of there's a funny one down here Mercy says my first I'm sorry mercy first time going to an Auburn game and it ended in a loss if I see pton Thorn start next week I might Mercy I'm not I'm not trying to ruin next weekend for you I'm just saying begin to mentally prepare for that to likely happen uh Blackwing said it's uh did he eat the wrong Pizza gotcha gotcha heavy says looks like I picked the wrong week to it's been a bad it's been a bad week for heavy it's been a bad week for heav what have you been doing man do you need do we need to do we need to put you in in a uh uh rehab Rob May says plenty of times I've seen pay thow watch pressure come and he's still not reading the field on one play kls was wide open but there you go right there it looks like he was staring down the pressure and and taking his eyes off the field at times but again I couldn't see some of that Rod May saw some receivers open there was times I saw I saw Keandre running wide open on that fourth down play but clearly he wasn't the first read the read was to go to cam Coleman down the field which I didn't like that call Four fourth and two didn't like that call but yeah again J West H was averaging seven yards a carry heavy appreciate you gifting some warport memberships good buddy Franklin says I wish we could ask H the same type of questions that Prime gets asked could get candid answers thanks Tatiana for making me think of that Prince chaku says Alabama A&M didn't even throw fourth they didn't throw any interceptions they didn't throw any we haven't turned anybody over yet this year but we have given the ball up seven times this year insane Jamal P says the defense is slow overall I didn't see speed or quickness at any position besides a Sante keldrick Faulk yeah kri Krick uh K Le what's jir Thompson jir jiren Thompson he was he was I saw him all over making plays Al roer says if pton Thorne has to play because of money make him the highest paid holder in college football but do we trust him to hold the ball that's funny or the clipboard WM PGA says I'mma play college football 25 to make up with this mess I sat in the heat to watch I'm sorry to hear that man throw it on rookie and move all the sliders in your favor put up 200 that's a that's a therapy way Fuller Robert says last time we had a freshman QB change with Shawn White still better than Peyton Thorne bonex Clayton be yeah yeah Clayton be just became a member welcome uh just like KB just gifted some warp memberships appreciate you good sir ant is still taking Victory laps I Told You So and he comes back just in case we didn't hear him I told y'all so I told y'all so I told y'all so all right Dustin pay says another coach trying to get a buyout we needed to add a clause they need to pay back Auburn for the losses from their contract no way he want to win Dustin is heated Lance Morgan says at least it was in New Mexico State this loss felt worse because at least Mexico state boat races and you yeah we actually had a chance we actually had a we've beat this team the year choir and yeah see Mexico State didn't give us a chance at all there heavy says Sam Turner quote I'm lost for words right now it was hard seeing that the quarterback at least pull him out Robert crumpton says Ary had 684 total yards on offense today and lost think about that it's only week two don't make got a hashtag don't do that to me like that he is giving you blues for saying that goodness gracious in all fairness though when have when was the last time you saw colomo State play defense they normally don't they normally get into shootouts like what you saw today but still Arkansas looks improved Riley Mobley says one drive Pony pton Thorn is so done this mofo is wasting oxygen I can't even that's rough Riley I can't even watch next week Ryan Williams is laughing at freeze five right now that's rough Co bre says the difference would have been an interception from oh my God I almost scared my one-year-old daughter because he read that play from the jump and just didn't secure it I almost startled my my my baby girl eugina says that's my point Payton Thorn starts next week then Ary then oh we can't throw rer freshman into to SEC grinder and pain Thorn finishes the year in three of four walk three of the freeze four walk yeah I just I just I just don't I I I hear you I hear you I just don't know if you freeze hears you Lenn Curry appreciate your big dog says not sure it's Hank brown but it's clearly not Peyton Thorne might need an open competition Dylan uh are as loud as loud can be yeah I'm seeing and the hashtags are coming in too seeing about four comments with hashtag it's only week two well guess what everybody it's week three now for Auburn so guys guys give [Laughter] Dillan oh man it's funny I'm fine with it this one's just going in my face a you're right you're right um I don't know how this plays out but I will say this um I'll be surp I'm curious to see how short that leash is I think it's another loss I think that's how long that leash is um I understand people's complaints about what this can mean for the team moving forward in terms of chemistry the locker room and all of that but I really think this coaching staff believes that they can make this work with pton Thorne and it's probably going to take one more loss for them to realize we got a we it's now time to move in another Direction I might even say hashtag it's only week three that's I'm gonna lose it uh you g you gave him that you gave I did it's now week three uh yeah a bad game for Payton Thorne or a loss uh if Auburn loses to Arkansas you best believe that freshman's getting thrown in the mix against Oklahoma de Scott is not a boundary DB for sure I didn't see him even playing boundary in the second half did you I don't think I threw the ball to him that much in the second half they tried to run they tried to run more in the second half yeah I didn't see him out there a lot yeah this is heavy heavy with the super says we need Dylan Emoji with book glasses title it's only weak [Laughter] in yeah I'm glad I had my my first hashtag this is not how you envision it going but here we are here we are hash feeling loopia it's only week three goodness gracious all right y let's get out of here uh we will be back with the weekend tailgate to get Ike's thoughts Mike's thoughts and be will be around as well I should be around as well we will see you guys uh enjoy try to enjoy your evening I'm pretty sure many of y'all are done with football for today Alabama's up 14 to six and second half first half's almost over against USF they're winning go bulls have a good evening y'all we'll see you tomorrow