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[Music] one win lose did the debate matter for KLA Harris did it matter for Donald Trump two the American leviath what are the origins of the deep State J Edgar Hoover and the FBI would drow Wilson in the expansion of federal power or Euro files in the 1870 we break it down with the author of a brand new book American Leviathan Ned Ryan three what's a bigger brand Wyoming or Fresno State what's a bigger brand Hawaii or San Diego State UNLV what's the biggest brands that now that they're on the hunt should be added to the Pack 12 plus somebody's got you who's your daddy which celebrity owns the influence over your [Music] mind it is the willc show streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel the Fox news Facebook page terrestrial radio Market to Market and Always On Demand by simply subscribing at Apple or Spotify you can also subscribe and watch the will K show every Monday through Thursday 12:00 Eastern Time on Facebook or on YouTube just head over over to YouTube and subscribe to the will Kane Show you can get past episodes like our breakdown pre- debate where former house Speaker n ging declared that Donald Trump was the best debater of all time or yesterday's episode with former Congressman sha Duffy where we F checked ABC and played the role of Donald Trump what I would have said in response to many of those questions from David mure the alitia the boys in New York had an interesting little text right before the show 10 will pad said Taylor Swift has endorsed kamla Harris that's one of the bigger names maybe the biggest name in American culture outside of the world of politics whose endorsement means something who is the celebrity that owns your mind let's bring in the guys NOA for just one moment tin foil Pat thinks there's got to be somebody for each and every one of us that there is a celebrity that has outsized influence over your opinions and I got to thinking about this before we went to the air and we can break this down a little bit later in the influence of Taylor Swift on this election but I'm I'm trying to be real I don't think I have one I mean who who would tell me hey I really think it would be wise what's celebrity there might be people in my life who I have big respect for but what celebrity that I don't know or even that I've met that maybe could say hey will you really should give a second look to KLA Harris and that would be influential I don't I don't think I have anybody I I don't hold celebrities in high as regard as people do like a Taylor Swift like I love their what they do but I don't think I would let anyone influence a political decision over me it's an easy thing for everybody to say and I'm sure that everybody jumping into the comments sections on YouTube or Facebook will say something similar to what you've said to it a I'm saying but I do think that like tin foil's little prompt be honest we all have somebody is interesting just because I always like looking in the mirror and try to establishing a little bit of self-awareness is there somebody Jerry Jones is there especially especially you're 24 or five young James I honestly think either one of two things happened I and by extension two a a have gotten older and and quite honestly popular culture isn't as meaningful as it used to be I think that's fair even when you're in your 30s two days there's a window in your life where celebrities meet just mean more for whatever reason there are points of commonality you know you get with your buddies you talk about it and if we're being real we all want to sne at Taylor Swift and 24 year old girls but look we're all guys that talk about sports and it the reason that we have outsized influence to sports is because it's a point of commonality for us so the reason we don't care is either because I've gotten old two days has gotten older or it's because it legitimately has lost power celebrity culture has lost the power it had in the late 90s and early 2000s but you think you have a name Young James uh Thomas Edward Brady Tom Brady wow Tom Brady tells you Tom Brady says Against All Odds hey I think James you should give a second look to KLA Harris and you take a step back and go what am I missing i' I'd hear him out really I'd hear him out if he endorsed kamla I'd hear him out interesting I don't think I'd ever vote that way but I'd hear him out H it's forgivable I don't know it's understandable you're a you're a New England Patriot fan he's been the father of uh half a dozen wonderful memories for you throughout your young life to some extent it's not forgivable it is understandable but let's break down to today um not just a little bit later in the show who is that person in your life that celebrity that has outsized influence but let's get into the origins I think this is fascinating of the American deep State you know my gut tells me Jay Edgar Hoover 1930s FBI but the author of a brand new book American Leviathan Ned Ryan's going to join us and says it actually predates that it's much earlier in the formation of America that's coming up and a little bit here on the will Kane Show but Story number [Music] one does the debate even matter yesterday we broke down the debate between KLA Harris and Donald Trump it's my humble opinion that it was a missed opportunity for Donald Trump and that it amounted to a win for kamla Harris but is it a win that actually effectuates any change in the race for president immediately after the debate we started to see headlines from places like CNN and there was an interesting tone to the headline for example they wrote Harris still faces a tight race despite a strong performance it acknowledged in their estimation their subjective judgment that KLA Harris had won the debate but they didn't declare that as a significant invent in determining the outcome of the presidential election and the reason that I think it's notable coming from CNN is that um I think Christopher Hitchens the famous thinker writer once said if Christopher Hitchens wakes up every day and says you know I don't believe in God it's not news but if the pope wakes up one day and says I'm not so sure about this God thing it's screaming headlines it's about the source if Fox and let's be real in all self-awareness if Will Kane says hey we have the debate results KLA Harris won but it doesn't matter then it comes off as though it's wishful thinking and maybe even spin but if CNN is laying the groundwork for a disappointment when it comes to the outcome it makes you wonder why a sudden adherence or Devotion to the truth or preparation for too too high of expectations you see what we've learned is it's interesting I don't know that there's any singular event that matters that much lot like we've lost the power of celebrity culture over the past 30 years we've probably lost the impact of any singular event because we're inundated with events I mean it was only now two months ago that Donald Trump survived an assassination attempt a bullet through the air at the stage through the ear at the stage of a rally that's the kind of news event for being real 20 years ago that would have driven months of news and yet now and this is not about should or should not but is or is it's a tree falling in the forest after that assassination attempt I remember thinking feeling and saying it's over of course that was with a different opponent Joe Biden but it's over it's a win for Donald Trump and now it's distant in the rearview mirror as will be this debate and the determination of this debate still there has been some movement it is not significant but there has been some movement in the race for president first let's start with the polym market betting Market going into the debate these are the betting odds from bookmakers who will bet on the outcome of the race going into the debate Donald Trump had roughly a 53% odd of winning the election KLA Harris 46% odds since the debate that has flipped KLA Harris now stands at 50% Donald Trump at 49% now that's a short-term change in the odds as a direct result of the performance in the debate but if you're watching us on f Facebook or on YouTube you can see that the betting Market shifts over the time it's not so much a weather forecast as much as it is a thermometer of the temperature in the room it doesn't tell you what's going to happen in November it tells you where we are today you want to narrow in on when these betting markets shifted you can take a look in here at bet Fair exchange this is the betting markets through the course of the debate this is again according to bet fair market but at the start of the debate Donald Trump was just under a 52% chance of winning the election 46.3% for KLA Harris and then the debate starts and almost immediately as you have a time clock here from 9900 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. almost immediately 20 minutes into the debate you see a dramatic drop in the betting prediction for Donald Trump and a dramatic spike in the betting prediction for KLA Harris by the end of the debate at 11:10 p.m. betting markets peaked for KLA Harris at 51.3% and dropped to 47.2% for Donald Trump that's the short-term impact of the debate on the race for President Fox News power polls are out they show the effect of the debate on the election these were published today by Fox News and the important point to focus in on this map again if you're watching on YouTube or on Facebook if you're listening on podcast or on radio I will explain red solid Republican blue solid Democrat yellow tossup in the wake of this debate States like Wisconsin expected to be a tossup remain yellow but importantly Pennsylvania Virginia Georgia Arizona and Nevada all moved yellow all to toss up and going into this debate Nevada Arizona Georgia and North Carolina were lean Republican Pennsylvania being at that point the only real tossup it seems to suggest that the debate had a real impact where it matters on Battleground States now of course in this debate we saw a tilted playing field we saw an away game for Donald Trump we saw unfair moderating we saw fact checks One Way four five six for Donald Trump zero for KLA Harris one of the things that was fact checked is When Donald Trump said they're eating the cats they're eating the dogs they're eating the pets now we said going into the debate I argued with some of my producers tinf Pat this was a mistake if he brings this up because it's it's not about again whether not he should or shouldn't or whether not it's true or false but what is and what is is that it sounds crazy it sounds crazy and she gets to be apoplectic talk about extreme and gave us the one place I think in the debate where she cackled where she laughed but let's move beyond what is and let's talk for a moment about what should be what should be is was it true now the mainstream media has dismissed this story as in fact crazy real time in the debate David mure said to Donald Trump we have called the city manager of Springfield Ohio about whether or not Haitian migrants are eating Ducks geese and cats he said there have been no known reports well here would be my question again for David mure when did journalism become simply stenography for politicians when did that become the source of a fact check stenography like a court reporter regurgitating the word of a politician that is what we're looking at with the city manager in Springfield Ohio the same politician same type of politician in Aurora Colorado denied the existence of trend de aragua the Venezuelan gang taking over apartment complexes in that city of course it's true Tren araga has taken over as property managers collect rent in Aurora Colorado now it's interesting what's happened to journalism here's what I would say testimony on the ground somebody saying I heard is not very valuable neither necessarily I would actually submit this it is less valuable One Singular testimony than a city manager saying we have no reports okay but neither are dispositive okay I hate that word I apologize for using but it means it doesn't prove the case it doesn't give you the ability to fact check right one person even on video where we've seen a video of police officers approaching a woman kneeling over a cat and somebody off camera going she's eating the cat it still isn't proof because we don't see her eating the cat we don't know whether not that person standing off camera is trustworthy we don't see it in the ACT but we also don't give credit to the city manager saying it's false it's fake it's a hoax it's viral and the source of a fact check what a real journalist would do is well you'd go to the police department you'd file Freedom of Information request about that police body cam video you'd interview that officer you'd hit the streets of Springfield Ohio and see if there more than one person testifying you a judge are any of these single single individuals credible and in the end in determining whether not that story is true or false a responsible position would be why is this being brought up is it just salacious is it racist as contended to by CNN to villainize black migrants or is it symbolic of a culture that has been commandeered 50,000 people being inundated with 20,000 migrants regardless of where they come from if they do not share a common culture and if you want some evidence that that larger issue that important issue might be the case I give you the governor of Ohio Mike dwine has deployed resources and law enforcement to Springfield Ohio to deal with the problems he did not say pets being abducted in eaten 100 of them in a van but he did say the strain on that Community caused by 20,000 migrants this is not just the cats and pets are symbolic of a larger conversation about what's happening in Springfield and Ohio and Springfield Ohio is a larger conversation about what's happening in America with unfettered Refugee Asylum and migrant claims and also illegal immigration and that is journalism not the momentary fact check of your call to a city manager with all the resources of ABC the point of me talking about that is to set the record straight and also say no matter what happened on Tuesday night well more is about to happen in September and October and the long-term end result of that debate is that it won't mean much on the race for the president what are the origins of the American Leviathan a conversation with Ned Ryan coming up here on the willc show The Tunnel Towers countless veterans Villages stand as a Beacon of Hope for those who've sacrificed everything these facilities are committed to helping veterans achieve stability and independence by providing housing and services based on individual needs within the village residents will find support and Comm Community among those who truly understand the meaning of service with several veteran Villages either completed or in development Nationwide the foundation and supporters believe in the power of 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Duffy at Fox newsp podcasts.com or wherever you download podcast [Music] gu pack 12's on the hunt and they're inviting Brands into the conference did they invite the right ones plus is there any celebrity be real be real any celebrity that retains influence over the way that you think that's all coming up in a little bit here on the will K show we're streaming live on the Fox news Facebook page the Fox News YouTube page as we do every day my Monday through Thursday you can jump into the comment section participate become a member of the Wii subscribe on YouTube and if you want to listen to us and you're listening on radio but you want to catch us after the fact or it doesn't match up with your commute that day just head on over to Spotify or apple and subscribe to the willc show Ned Ryan is the author of a brand new book entitled American Leviathan he has been on our show in the past we've talked a lot about the Deep State the administrative State how it can be dis but now Ned has really gone in and he has understood which I think Ned is not only a curiosity that's fascinating that I want to understand from you today but I think it's necessary if you are going to dismantle something you have to understand how it was built and you're talking about the origins of the Leviathan correct no great to be with you will it's been something I've thought about talked about uh research for for a long time which has obviously resulted in this book American Leviathan birth of the administ ative State and Progressive authoritarianism but really discussing the origins of it I think you're right the the American people need to understand was taking place in DC today that over the last 110 years roughly there was something that was begun in this country that had absolutely nothing to do with the Constitution I would argue quite frankly very unamerican with the rise of the Progressive Movement in the early 1900s and I would say a pivotal moment in our history was the 1912 presidential election in which woodro Wilson won but it was it was generally accepted that the progressive ideals for what government should look like in the future was accepted by most of the American populists and what the progressive status wanted to do was well let's just be very honest they wanted to annihilate the moral and political legitimacy of the US Constitution they wanted to do away with our constitution Republic they deeply resented will the separation of powers which is a fundamental part of the Machinery of our Constitution and I think the greatest defender of our natural inherent rights that God gave to us PE people want to talk about the Bill of Rights and I want to get to that at some point but there was a great debate at the Constitutional Convention between Alexander Hamilton James Madison George Mason what's the greatest protector of our natural inherent rights well it's the Machinery of the Republic what do I mean by that I mean the diffusion of power the separation of powers because if you have diffused power there's not enough power Consolidated power to actually abuse and take away your rights and I appreciate the Bill of Rights I'm glad George and the Anti-Federalist went out on that but the progressive status deeply resented the Machinery of the Republic and the separation of powers because they thought it was a bug not a feature of our constitution because it impeded progress so what the progressives wanted to do at the turn of the 20th century was really leave behind the Constitution the constitutional republic transfer the real governance of this country to powerful unelected bureaucrats build the edifice of the administrative state which I call the American Leviathan and allow all of those various Powers executive legislative and judicial to be concentrated inside the administrative state in their minds to achieve greater progress for the American people and what we end up with when you have Consolidated power in the hands of relatively few imperfect people you end up with authoritarianism and I really think that's where we're at right now will in which the administrative State over the last 100 years has gotten to the point of dominating the American people ruling instead of actually serving and governing the American people as they should be to benefit so I just want to underline something you introduced an a fascinating conversation that I don't want to belabor but I do want to underline you know Ned I went to law school and and learning about the Bill of Rights is pretty fascinating if you really because we we adore the Bill of Rights we we we Revere the Bill of Rights and many people listening would of course we talk about constantly like freedom of speech is the First Amendment amendments being the Bill of Rights to the Constitution but you know it's interesting when you're in law school and you're learning about the foundation of America the Bill of Rights is a controversial moment because it flips on its head the understanding of America see the Bill of Rights lays out a list of things the government cannot do rights that are protected from the government and the original vision of the founders was whoa we don't do that because the implication is if it's not listed here they can do it and in the the founders thought hey what we've done here is create a document in in terms of the Constitution um that lays out what the government can do and the implication is if it's not listed here you can't do it and so a lot of people we're well past this debate obviously Ned but but but many people at time thought that was a real bad moment for America because it flipped on its head the powers of the government are they limited by the Bill of Rights or are they prescripted by the constit tion so this is again the debate between Alexander Hamilton James Madison George Mason in fact Alexander Hamilton adamantly fought for an enumerated against an enumerated Bill of Rights because he thought there might be the mistake that somehow was only the rights listed in a Bill of Rights that were actually guaranteed to the American people when in fact Alexander Hamilton was strongly of the opinion that there was no Constitution long enough that could fully State all of the natural god-given rights that we as human beings have and that that was a huge debate but in the end to ratify the Constitution they had to give that concession to the anti-federal in some ways I'm very grateful for that but it does kind of bring up the conversation will there are a lot of totalitarian countries around the world that have their Bill of Rights which have been annihilated by Consolidated power of that totalitarian state and I just want to put a fine point on this again showing the authoritarian nature of progressives this summer the scotus overturned the SEC tribunals I I don't know if you were they everybody focused on the Chevron Defence being under uh overturned by by scotus I think one of the other important decisions they made this summer was saying the SEC tribunal is actually unconstitutional people go wait a minute what are you talking about well inside the administrative State there a lot of tribunals for the various departments and agencies that are administrative law courts that actually 90% of the time with the SEC ruled in favor of the SEC and the Supreme Court said that it's deeply unconstitutional over the course of how many decades that these administrative law tribunals have existed because it annihilated the Seventh Amendment right to trial by jury and again it just kind of puts that point on it even if you have listed out a right to trial by jury in the seventh amendment when you consolidate power inside the administrative State makes it kind of a joke and I think this is the conversation that we have to have with the American people well I I think for a moment there I almost felt like Ned you were um you were quoting or you were giving sort of like improvisational class on Justice Anthony and Scalia anybody I don't have the clip to play for the audience right now but it is an incredible clip Scalia is sitting in front of Congress along with I believe Justice Brier one of the furthest left justices on the Supreme Court and they're and they're having a conversation about what makes the American Constitution or the American experiment unique what's the most important I think the question he presents to the congressman is what's the most important part of the Constitution and he's like you're you're tempted to say the First Amendment or whatever it may be and he goes it's not to your point there are a lot of constitutions guaranteeing rights around this world the Soviet Constitution lists more rights than the American Constitution right he says it's not these those are what are called parchment guarantees you can write them down but they mean nothing in practice the only thing that protects our rights in practice is what Ned Ryan just said the diffusion of powers the separation of powers the three branches of government the separation from the Senate and the house all making it so no one can consolidate power to then trample our rights and you know by the way while he's doing this Brier's looking on with admiration which is pretty a interesting and awesome to just see Brier's face as Scalia geniusly lays this out you should go watch it on YouTube anyone watching or listening because he's right and to your point the administrative state has become the workaround to the separation of power 100% And The Amazing part to me will is when you go back and actually research the the or the original people that founded the Progressive Movement woodro Wilson Herbert Crowley Robert lafallet Theodore Roosevelt John Burgess all of these folks they wanted to do away with that separation of powers and and I tell people what they've done with the administrative state which resides mainly inside the article two Branch the executive branch they took the legislative power they took judicial power and they consolidated all into that administrative State again primarily resides inside the executive branch and then what you have is again judge jury execution or all-in-one Branch this Consolidated power in which I the the thing that that really struck me in this researching for this book will is they truly believe that power should be Consolidated for Progress they felt that it could achieve the apotheosis of mankind which is the deification of us Herbert Crowley actually said our views on democracy our belief in democracy rise and fall on the perfectability of mankind and so they wanted to consolidate this power to advance mankind to advance progress because they thought somehow they could reach some state of perfection but what you end up with again is that Consolidated power and I make the point in the book well the founders got one thing very right when they put together our Constitution and it was all based off the correct understanding of human nature they believe that we are imperfect human beings and an imper world who have the ability to do great good but are incapable of sustained good we have been given natural inherent rights by our creator so how do you create a government that protects those rights and takes none of them away at the same time as a realistic view of human nature never trust imperfect human nature with Consolidated power and this is what they came up with I would argue the Constitution is one of the greatest Pol political documents if not the greatest political document ever written and progress looked at that document and said we don't buy we don't accept that premise on human nature in fact we think we actually have to consolidate power and we trust human nature with this power because we think we'll reach perfectability of mankind in the here and now okay just to illustrate what we were talking about with Ned and I when it comes to this this this document here is Justice anonin Scalia talking uh to Congress what do you think is the reason that America is such a free country what is it in in our Constitution that that that makes us what we are and I guarantee you that the response I will get and you will get this from almost any American including the woman that he was talking to at the supermarket the answer would be freedom of speech freedom of the press no unreasonable searches and seizures no quartering of troops in hope those marvelous provisions of the Bill of Rights but then I tell them if if you think that a Bill of Rights is what sets us apart you're crazy every Banana Republic in the world has a Bill of Rights every president for life has a Bill of Rights the Bill of Rights of the of the former evil empire the Union of Soviet Socialist republics was much better than ours I mean it literally it was much better we guarantee freedom of speech and of the press big deal they guaranteed freedom of speech of the press of Street demonstrations and protests and anyone who is who is caught trying to suppress criticism of the government will be called to account whoa that that is wonderful stuff of course just words on paper what what our framers would have called a parchment guarantee and the reason is that the real constitution of the Soviet Union you think of the word constitution it doesn't mean a bill it means structure say a person has a sound constitu has a sound structure the real constitution of the Soviet Union which is what our framers debated that that that whole summer in Philadelphia in 1787 they didn't talk about the Bill of Rights that was an afterthought wasn't it that constitution of the Soviet Union did not prevent the centralization of power in one person or in one party and when that happens the game is wow wow there's more to seen and you can continue to watch have you not Ned oh you've got to go see the clip because it goes on and I almost feel guilty for ending it at that point it's incredible he goes he goes on to talk about it more yeah that's well it's he's right I mean I would like to say I I very much fully 100% agree with him that the parchment barrier in this Bill of Rights is just a you know it's a parchment barrier when in fact the real threat or the real protector of our freedom is either diffusion of power or Consolidated power that's what this comes down to and that's what the founders knew right that's why they constructed the Machinery of the I write about Machinery of the Republic in my first book restoring our Republic in more detail but that's what the progressives hated and the progressives list our Founders did not trust human nature they felt that government was a necessary evil right James Madison We're No Angels so there has to be some form of government to restrain us from our worst impulses at the same time it's a necessary evil not for progressives progressives truly believed that the state was the march of on Earth they truly believe that the state with salvation and it's kind of interesting I was looking at some of Elon Musk post today on X I still want to call it Twitter but on X in which he was talking about government spending and the growth of government that's a feature not a bug of the administrative state will because the progressives view the state of Salvation And if you view the state of Salvation why would you ever want to limit it right you would continue to expand expand expand until it comes into every aspect of your life to bring Salvation and then he brought up the question well why does it continue to grow and why do we keep on spending and why do we have this massive national debt is because you have to fund salvation and that's why they started the IRS that's why they started the income tax that's why they're talking even now about 87,000 new IRS agents to Hoover up those $600 of PayPal transactions because if there is to be salvation for society the state must be funded it is a fundamental philosophical View and belief system of progressive status that underg guards the entire Administration State I want to stick with the history for just one moment so you focus in on the early 1900s woodro Wilson Teddy Rosevelt the rise of the Progressive Movement we often talk and use the word Progressive as though it's a modern invention like even for people listening like when did liberals become progressives well progressivism as an ideology has been around for the more than a century and I like that you have put yourself in the course of our conversation in their seat because I think it's a I think it is a get out of jail free card if you just always presume those who have a different Vision than you are motivated by evil they are motivated by what they believe is progress and the Perfection of society and and you accurately point out Ned but the mistake for them is the inherent fallibility of The Human Condition corre so you can't you can't perfect Society you can't perfect men and I think a great illustration of this Ned is that the same people and I will how about this even if I grant them empathetic or beneficial motivations right um they're fail they're still fallible and what did they end up doing in pursuit of progress they wanted to sterilize black people they wanted to euthanize they wanted to euthanize people with mental disabilities they open and Eugenics I am not being conspiratorial this is history folks like it's out there they were tied to the eugenic movements go ahead Ned no I absolutely WR about this I write about the gospel of scientism that progresses believed through the power of the state and applied science it lead to perfectability and it led to this pseudo science of eugenics they they were they were deeply racist well at the end of the day they felt that the living organism of the state must reject anything that they viewed as parasites to the state for the good of the state right the the living organism so they got infatuated with this idea of eugenics and the one who actually got me thinking about it was Michael kryon at the end of his book state of fear and state of fear is about the global warming hoax and the pseudo science of that and he wrote at the end of the book we've dealt with this before and he started writing about the progressives infatuation with Eugenics and that really got me thinking I've got to write about this in American Leviathan but it also just leads to where we are today they they believe and I talk about the gospel of scientism will that they think that somehow science is a perfect art when in fact it's really just the pursuit of Greater knowledge not the Perfection of knowledge because again I would ask a very basic question how do you think a finite mind in an imperfect world can come ever come up with perfection yeah progressives think that scientism will actually be a perfect thing that will lead us to perfectability but they have been mistaken for so long for so in so many different ways they eventually got to the point will where a lot of the American progressives realized if you go down this path of eugenics and trying to get to a pure blood race and yes they wrote about some of this you're going to end up being deeply racist deeply anti-semitic and you might actually some of them talked about actually chloroforming some of the imperfect aspects of of society they realized we can't go that far but guess who started taking up Progressive race law and using it to frame out what they were going to do in the 1930s the Nazis yes the Nazis this is the one thing that is staggering me a guy wrote a book about Hitler's race laws about how they use some of American laws to actually frame out what they were doing what the guy that wrote the book didn't understand those were Progressive race laws based off Eugenics that the Nazis then used to take it to its final and ultimate end which of course led to the Holocaust and what what this is this I want to I want to complete this circle because I would like to think I would like to think that there might be some people listening and watching who don't share my political bias I I I would I for no maybe for just even selfish reasons is perhaps my own pursuit of persuasion like maybe I can convince you but the thing that you have to remember is those progressives didn't know they were evil I mean if we if we can agree and submit that Eugenics is an evil concept they didn't know that at the time they weren't all sitting around you know tapping their fingers together going haaha they thought they were pursuing a moral good but real quick I want to say the point is what Ned said about fallibility the progressive today will excuse himself by saying but I am they were mistaken that's ancient or they were racist and I'm not but the point of fallibility is you don't know where you're failing right now you don't know what moral failing you you you hold that you will execute that you will adopt in pursuit of all this power you want to you want the power to achieve your progress but you don't know what you have inside you that is failable they TR they trust human nature far too much they trust themselves far too much and again it's it is a far more like the founders far more realistic and again this is the amazing part to me again the the progressives trust themselves the founders didn't trust themselves think about it you're sitting in Philadelphia 1787 you know that you are going to probably be the presidents the vice presidents representativ Senators judges of this newly formed federal republic it's in your best interest to create a form of government that would actually consolidate power into your hands guess what they did yeah the exact opposite because they didn't trust themselves will so this is the thing that that that again you just ju toose the founders versus progressives Founders didn't trust themselves they are fully aware of their imperfect nature progressives were fully convinced of the goodness of their nature and it became almost this religious Dogma in a sense of righteousness that we're we're doing all of these things for the right reasons and anyone who resists as an unbeliever submit or else it's it's a it's a fascinating when you juxtapose the World Views behind a constitutional republic in administrative State and it really does boil down how do you view human nature so Ned as um advancing a little bit in history and getting more specific beyond the philosophy that underpins it I would have to guess FDR big moment forward big forward for the administrative State the New Deal a huge leap forward but and I'm going to ask you about that but also even though it's only one Department under one branch of government I just have to think that Jay Edgar Hoover and the Advent of the FBI is another Great Leap Forward for America in growing the administrative State 100% I say that there are three major Progressive statist waves obviously wooder Wilson was was the foundation of the administrative State saw massive burst burst of growth under FD are then saw another burst of growth under LBJ and over the course of time what's also taking place is Congress the article one legislative branch abdicating its role in actually governing and unconstitutionally subd delegating its legislative authority to the article two Branch where the administrative State resides I I fully agree with you on the FBI thing will I actually make the argument that we survived what 120 years or so without an FBI I think we need to reexamine and explore uh what we want to actually do in the future with the FBI if it even exists in its current form but I also discussed there's administrative State we talk about this overarching branch of the administrative State there's the Deep state or surveillance state of course FBI and the CIA and the NSA and all those there's the regulatory state which I truly believe is not only impeding our progress our economic freedom it's also a national security issue because of all the regulation that is pushed offshore vital manufacturing manufacturing that is vital to National Security and then there's the DMV state they're retired in place I live in Northern Virginia the District of Columbia Maryland and Virginia is obviously DMV it's the retired in place and the administrative state is also a patronage system for Democrats to quite frankly launder taxpayer money into Democratic contributions I mean this is the one thing I discussed a little bit where most of these people sitting inside the administrative state for self-preservation are firmly behind the Democratic party because they view the patronage system of the administration state that that that is self-preservation and so when Donald Trump wins and I say this with with great hope that he wins November 5th day one he needs to declare war against the administrative State because of self-preservation not only for our Republic but also for two-party rule if you do not figure out how to break apart the administrative States I think we are headed down that path of one party rule a lot sooner than we would like to actually think about and I make the point in the in two will he talks about draining the swamp great theme great you know uh theme for his campaign I think he's finally realized that the foundation of the swamp is the administrative state so in the end I say simple to say this albe it Monumental in application you break the state you drain the swamp and you got a shot at restoring the Republic so um that touch on history is enough to go get American Leviathan I have one last question for Ned Ryan but you talking about three waves of the growth administrative state is exactly what I would have guessed by the way on the big waves LBJ FDR and woodro Wilson there there is your growth of the modern American deep State uh I bring up the FBI and Jagger Hoover because of the power they ended up being able to wield over the presidency for half a century he had something on everyone giving him I mean I need to read more about Hoover I need to read more Hoover books but one of the most powerful figures in American history total abuse of power no but funny you bring that up the FBI I bring up Watergate I bring up Watergate and Russia gate in which I feel that they are different sides of the same coin in which Richard Nixon in his re-election of 1972 said I'm going to go after the administrative state I'm going to deconstruct it winds overwhelmingly will in the the Electoral College I don't think people realize how definitively he won in 1972 with a major premise of his campaign being I'm going to deconstruct the administrative State and then a high-ranking official in the FBI using two corporate propagandist at the Washington Post feeding them information to help bring down the duly elected president they think is a threat an existential threat to the administrative State now some people listening to that might be thinking I'm talking about Russia gate and Donald Trump no I'm actually talking about Richard Nixon and Watergate we gotten to the point where these unelected powerful bureaucrats feel that they are the ones who decide they're the ones who are supposed to be governing this country and anybody who presents a threat to them needs to be dealt with and I told Trump this a couple summers ago when we were sitting together I said you know what your greatest sin was in the eyes of the administrative State and the people in DC because I don't know what your theory Ned they deeply resent that you think you decide which is crazy when you think about this will in a government of by for the people in which all power flows from the people to the duly elected representatives that's how it's supposed to work in a constitutional republic Donald Trump showed up and said I'm the duly elected president of the United States I'm the one who decides both foreign and domestic policy and the administrative State actor said no we don't think so we think we're the ones decide and I told him honestly sir over the last few decades they're correct because I truly believe we're living in administrative State not a Republic and the question is will the American people wake up and realize and have to have the conversation with themselves and go what do we want for the future do we want to restore Republic or we can continue slouching down this path toward full and complete statism okay last question Ned do you have a note of optimism because I'm going to be honest um on this topic like you saying can you restore a republic and deconstruct administrative state I'm going to be honest with you I have trouble seeing optimism on that mission statement it feels a little bit like the horse is out of the barn and I don't know how how about this Ned I don't have a historical example either in American history or across the world where it's been done outside of Bloodshed to be quite honest in the mechanism of Revolution um I don't see it done where like a Donald Trump can come in and go we're reducing a significant percentage of the employment jobs within the administrative state of Washington DC I just give me the model can this actually be done so you're almost quoting in some ways Ronald rean without knowing it because he was wanting to go the last two presidents that rejected the premise of the administrative state were Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan before Donald Trump and Reagan told his staff I have studied bureaucratic statism and no country that has gone this far down the path of bureaucratic state statism has ever come back from it and he's saying this in the 1980s will so he understood the battle that was at at how hard it was going to be I will say this the reason I have optimism is the administrative State resides inside the Executive Branch if you have a powerful executive president Donald J Trump who actually has the political courage and has the right Personnel decisions placed in the various departments and agencies you have a shot and you have a supreme court that has decided with cases this summer no more Chevron deference no more private administrative law tribunals with the SEC and other departments and agencies you have a shot and like I said if you have the political courage to do it and the right Personnel you have a shot but there are no guarantees because you're right we have been experiencing this for over 110 years if you want to think about when it really started that's very hard to undo but I will leave you with this woodro Wilson one of the founders of the Progressive Movement administrative State said we are not bound to adhere to the ideals of the founders of the and and the writers of the Declaration of Independence we are free to make or unmake government as we so choose I would challenge the American people they thought that we also can think that we can unmake the administ state if the American people will reject any legitimacy of the administrative State and say we want to restore Republic what a fascinating book uh American Leviathan by Ned Ryan go check it out it's out now what a fascinating conversation today here on the willc show thank you Ned so much thanks will all right uh we've got a lot of comments coming in I can see them right now a lot of a lot on YouTube uh Facebook as well let's get to some of your comments plus I'm going to ask you let's pivot to a little bit celebrity endorsement any that has be real real power over you and let's rebuild the Pack 12 next on the willc [Music] show I'm Dana Pino this week on Pino on politics it's a tied race and someone or something has to break it this week I'm joined by former house Speaker Kevin McCarthy to discuss what the cand need to do in order to change the standings of this tight race right now Trump looks to be in the lead both nationally and in the Electoral College can he keep that lead we shall see available now on Apple Spotify and Fox newws podcast.com 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Apple Spotify or wherever you download your favorite [Music] podcasts Taylor Swift endorses KLA Harris any more impact than who won or lost the debate in the race for president it's the will Kane Show streaming live Fox News YouTube and Fox News Facebook on demand will Cane show YouTube hit subscribe streaming on radio stations across this great country including krld in Dallas Texas Las Vegas Upstate New York San Francisco Houston and all of you listening can also subscribe to the willc show on Spotify or on Apple hang out with us anytime can also jump into the comments we ask with Taylor Swift's endorsement of KLA Harris we can bring in the guys in New York as well is there anybody that has this kind of power over you by the way tinf foil Pat my producer this was his idea and I'm going to give him a chance to speak on the microphone trepidatiously I um I who is the person in our control room in New York that every time the camera comes on goes bailing out of the control room I can see it in the background and somebody's in the witness protection program and doesn't want to be on camera um well I am training a couple people because uh I'm getting married next week so I got to train some people to do my job I know it man I know it here we go but that's what's happening they're they're going to be on camera they're going to be on on camera when they fill in for you two a uh B congratulations we need a full report wedding and honeymoon uh tin foil you you asked us with some self-awareness like you're acknowledging there is some celebrity that has power and influence over your conspiracies who is is that tinf foil well uh dead it would be nor McDonald um I would definitely think about a lot about what he has to say even if he went with uh with Harris so but then there's also one of my favorite movie stars Mel Gibson um I just I don't know I I feel like we kind are sympatico in a lot of ways not in the bad wayo with B Gibson not in the bad ways oh my goodness oh you've already been clip like very fine people I already very fine people late you were too late now we have the clip we are Mel Gibson I are sympatico and then it doesn't matter that a sentence or two later you said not in the bad ways it's over for you we just we now have your moment your very fine people moment toat I don't know I don't know that I have anybody I really don't I think when I was James's age and he says Tom Brady I might have had a name I don't know who it would have been Amman is they no I never outsourced any type of influence to sports figures I just I really didn't if you were picking a sports figure that I loved the most it was probably Dirk nitzki and I don't want to know where Dirk is on politics I just I don't want to know I have some feelings that he doesn't listen to the will Kane Show do you think he's like but uh really passionate about Eastern European politics oh Dirk on what's going on in Germany would be fascinating f what if we offer Dirk the opportunity to not give us a single opinion on American politics but can we break down migration in Europe can we break down Germany I would love that um I don't know I mean again like I'm I'm into Zack Bryan right now but I don't presume that we agree and don't want to know so care I don't think you do I don't think you agree I just going to throw that out there what about ma Brown back in the day no no MM no I don't have this person but jump into the comments section let me know who I might be forgetting speaking of that the Hands-On gang says uh I went to a Taylor Swift YouTube video and told all of her listeners not to follow her politically doing God's work there D hope they saw good job wonder wonder how many people you persuaded over there in the comments section on her on the Taylor Swift YouTube video uh unknown Valor said this is interesting celebrities have impact Trump is a celebrity and businessman musk is in the same boat okay Fair Point both very influential and obviously Trump for his own sake and running for presidency but musk not and he has a lot of Swing right now what's up two days speaking of Tom Brady too do you think he like would ever go into office I feel like he would have a lot of sway over people if he ran for some sort of office do you see that ever happening no really no he's too dedicated I think he is too dedicated to being in a I think Tom Brady is okay being not liked but not as not as a 50/50 proposition oh got it yeah I'm just guessing here I think Tom Brady's wants to be in a 70 30 802 type of situation you know cuz once you've tasted that that's hard to let go and he's tasted that he's tasted 9010 proposition as far as like him versus hate him here's what's more interesting than Tom Brady Matthew mccon will he really run for governor of Texas Rachel Campos Duffy thinks he'll run for governor of Texas but he's got the same issue and I've been around people in sports who have been who've tasted The Forbidden Chalice of liability and once you have that you don't keep that when you go to politics you're playing for a 55% proposition you know what I mean so does Matthew mccon he trade what a 90% favorability rating for 55 I don't think so he's not he's very hard to be unlikable though even if you don't agree with his politics like I don't agree with what he's saying but I still like that guy that's how he would dude the minute you put a d beside your name and you run on a ballot you become a Target and people will find all of the least likable things about you and highight them nobody cares about I'm sure there are unlikable things about mccon there are about all of us all right politics is about shining a light Trump trump was had to been 7030 or 8020 like before 2010 right might have been might have been yes The Apprentice yeah yeah that's a great Point WWE Sports The View late night television Trump was probably 7030 8020 before he ran for president Deborah A says on YouTube Taylor Swift doesn't have to worry about food or inflation her opinion doesn't matter cheeky chops says will is a Savage Fox and Friends is that your is that your burner James James is that a burner for you CH well I had to make a new burner because uh no that's that's James's brother's burner so many burners Paul fil says when did Texas and Florida not become tossup they were in 2020 and 2016 I don't remember Texas ever being a tossup I remember people pretending it's going to be a toss up yeah I don't remember it ever really being a tossup and Florida is a to the point is um recent move it's you're right it was the swing state uh honestly before D santis especially Miami did the santis won it the first time by like two points and then the second time by what 18 the S the santis won it by like a few hundred thousand votes um it was it came really close and then we had a large influx of Republicans um coming in here I mean that's why all of our property taxes and stuff are through the roof but yeah I mean it's it's now no they're mostly Northern people Mo Northeast they're in Crocs corn beef oh coming in raising your rents eating the pets that is true that raising thing is true Danny on YouTube says why worry about Taylor Swift majority of her fans are one spread across the globe and two in the under 18 age Brack I'm not sure that's true that's not the Swifty what do you think Prime Swifty is right now is she 26 she's 34 100% no Taylor Swift is 34 years old she's two years younger than me like my fiance loves Taylor Swift all her friends we grew up with her like that that era grew up with her the younger Millennials as a dude too like you just you don't you don't say anything bad about her around girls don't no there's no point I've made that mistake before Prime Swifty is 3 four Yes W I would say 30 as a yeah 30 to 34 like that younger Millennial y but so so that's Prime is there an older Swifty is there a 40-year-old Swifty I think there's some you know I don't mean I mean like in if you Bell curved out Taylor Swift's audience does it sweep in early 40s because I will say this Patrick you can probably speak to this better because you have daughters she's there are definitely 12 13 14y old swifties today like big time right yeah so she's got a 20y year easily a 20-year uh audience bracket there and maybe more if they go older than 34 go ahead yeah across across the Generation generation I just looked it up well 40 45% of Swift's us fans are millennials like the 34 year-old herself 21% are Gen X and 25% are boomers according to a 2023 survey well that doesn't even bring in like Alpha which I would assume is huge like exactly J Alpha which is so middle age middle- AG swifties are are there huh she came on the scene in 2007 with you belong with me and all those songs been there for a while look you fan of Taylor Swift 17 years now so Cecilia black says on YouTube no SB owns my mind they are politically illiterate that was always my thing on ESPN like should athletes be able to talk about po yeah of course you talk about whatever you want but like my requirement is know what you're talking about I mean don't be like I don't have a problem that LeBron James has an opinion about politics because he's a basketball player I have a problem with LeBron James having opinion about politics because he is illiterate when it comes to politics and that's a fact like and if I if someone wants to challenge me on that sure okay let's do a long form interview about politics LeBron you're invited on we could even talk about page four of the autobiography of Malcolm X not page five TR truth Nation uncensored said 99% of tlor Swift songs are about choosing the wrong person I like that one I got that halfway through reading it it's true that's true uh choosing a wrong boyfriend now she chooses KLA person uh Stefan lumpin says did the debate matter when they said Trump won and then rioo Hernandez says on YouTube the will Kane Show only see one way uh he need to open his eye and look both ways I was going to send that one patri said that one here's a question in journalism this is a legit question do you clean up someone's quote right like I think that's an open debate like say you work for the AP yeah and somebody says something and they say it in super bad grammar do you clean it up or do you print it exactly as they say it it depends it depends if you agree with with them or not depends I think that's what their rule is I do yeah I think that's their rule but you should definitely not clean it up you should definitely not clean it up you need to do it the way they say you do though I I noticed you do with the with our fans in the live chat sometimes well I think well fans are different than like quoting a politician true but Rio here got the direct quote the will Kane Show only see one way he need to open his eye and look both ways one eye we we were talking about your one eye earlier so everything is singular only see one way he need to open his eye all right R like I'm trying I'm trying R uh yeah I'm trying to see things as many ways as possible to your point okay by the way I want to do this really quickly we're going to dive into this in more depth in detail on the will Cane show Kan on Sports episode which is our Friday episode of the will Cane show you need to subscribe on Spotify or apple to get that but today the Pack 12 invited Boise State Colorado State Fresno State and San Diego State to join Oregon State and Washington State in a new reformed Pack 12 and it got me thinking are those the if you're raiding the country are those the biggest brands like the Pack 12 is the Pack 12 they're a power five conference I guess and they need big Brands and big brands are defined by I think television ratings recognizability quality of program and I it's I I went and I looked at the the mid the the Mac the MidAmerican conference the Mountain West the sun Bel conference the American Athletic Conference and I was like what are the biggest brands they could have picked from and you need some I don't like what the ACC is doing where they've got Stanford and Cal in there you need some Geographic cohesiveness and I was like here's the big Brands they left out I'm sorry big relatively Wyoming UNLV Hawaii and honestly even San Jose State I was like is San Jose State smaller than Fresno State just got me thinking about these schools and if it were me if you're the flagship of a state even a small state I think you have a bigger brand like Wyoming it's a tiny state but all hey I don't know who's sitting behind you Dan I can't see that person's face all right there's there's the four of us on the will Cane show there's a person sitting behind you okay I want you turn around and I want you to ask that person it's the Wyoming what what's the name of the Wyoming college football team doesn't know okay all right failure uh what color are they can you can tell me the color of their uniforms doesn't know see well he's not gonna know fres if he okay this will be the test now ask him Fresno State Fresno State if he knows it I'll blow my mind doesn't know doesn't know okay W me Cowboys that feels like everybody knows it and they're brown yellow right everybody did you live in W though me no Montana did they have a big quarterback come out a couple years ago Josh Allen yeah that was it yeah yeah he's pretty good that's probably the only reason I would know starting fantasy team they have an awesome they have an awesome logo I love the logo I was just going to say and no one has those colors they're unique like no one else is doing brown and yellow um but is brown Padres Cleveland Browns Wyoming is that have we just concluded the list of teams that use the color brown Bowling Green okay I feel like there's I really like brown um wasn't there Memphis can't think of a hockey team no they're blue and black and silver you looking it up Dan I think Brown's underrated on a uniform well I personally think like so in NHL you have the Bruins and the Penguins and the Bruins initially were brown and gold or brown and yellow I feel like they should go with like a a really dark deep Brown uh to kind of differentiate themselves um because it is it is my overed well two days is looking that up San Diego State's a pretty big brand I think um I don't know it's reputation in California in terms of like is it a commuter school is it a big party it's a party school I do know that um pretty big brand I feel like Colorado State's a decent sized brand I think most people know they're the Rams I think by the way unique colors there green and gold M Boise State because they've been good now as a group of five school for what are we going on 20 years um has arrived as a decent sized brand UNLV I still think of Stacy Ogman and Larry Johnson and I think they have a brand um and then Wyoming I don't know if you're building the Pack 12 what they're suggesting is they've taken these teams and they're going to wait and they're going to wait for the ACC and see who falls out they're not going to keep raiding group of five they're going to see as this falls apart what other big group uh power five schools fall out uh possibly of your conference Patrick uh the ACC we um Bowling Green State is brown Lehigh University is brown and Val parizo University is brown is that how you say that Val perzo I would have said Val pzo Val preo that's correct you're correct I am wrong Brown University you threw extra a in there I did I did I tried to sound smart like I knew what I was talking about is Brown University Brown for real do they wear brown at Brown yeah yeah oh good mostly i' would be really disappointed if they didn't I think they got some red in there yeah they're okay more teams they look like the Cleveland Browns uniforms the San An oh we forgot one the San Antonio Ru Riders remember them sure football Y what league was that in the what was that in XFL no XFL Canadian more Brown um I love the conversation about what schools are what out there like um Florida State versus Florida San Diego State we're going to break a lot of that down tomorrow on the Canon sports edition with Danny canel former Florida State quarterback so make sure you subscribe on Spotify or on Apple that's going to do it for us today here on the will Kane Show uh we will see you again next time [Music]