Players We’re Embarrassed to Love + CeeDee Time! | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1621

Intro Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Tuesday, August 27th, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast back in the building. Lots to talk about, but not a lot of voice left. Jason has... I might or might not have over screamed at the live show. You always do this. Every live show we've ever had, you remind yourself mentally beforehand, don't destroy my voice running out on stage and then... I don't know how it happens, man. I'm backstage. We're about to go out. I'm telling myself, I'm not going to do it this year. Then I go out and I think I am being conscious of it. When I was out there... I have pictures of you that say otherwise. Yeah. I mean, it's a fact because I black out, I scream hard, and then I can't talk anymore. You did some things with the t-shirt gun? He was firing. He was firing on all sides. I mean, you jumped and did a splits thing in the air, which I'm sure... Extreme athleticism. Yeah. 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Maybe they're not. And we got some clarity in a few situations this weekend, which leads into some of these names. Chuba Hubbard I'm going to start with a player that I have been propping up. Feels like by myself for a while, but Chuba Hubbard, the running back of the Carolina Panthers who was the running. Excuse me, sir. Yeah, Mike, you've been at. It's really the worst neutral. It's been Mr. Jay Brooks over here telling us how great of a draft pick this guy who's going to not play at least four games is going to be sitting on your bench. Yeah, Chuba Hubbard, it was not just the de facto accidental starter. He was the player that averaged over 13 fantasy points a game for a six week stretch to end the year last year with an offense that I think is going to be a little bit fixed in part due to the Dave Canalis and part due to the addition of Deontay Johnson and Bryce Young looked very good this weekend. But Chuba Hubbard is the starter and Jonathan Brooks as Mike alluded to, he's going to be on the PUP for at least four weeks. So a Chuba Hubbard needs to be paid attention to in the same, in my opinion, in the exact same breath of the, you know, the Zach Moss conversations. Ooh, that's that's mighty high praise. I'd put in more in the Jerome Ford conversation of but look though that six weeks. The six week stretch was was great. And he will have at least four weeks to to be like that just a supplemental running back for you should you go real heavy wide receiver. Chuba will be there for you late in drafts to to be that RB two for four weeks as you try to figure out who's going to be permanent because Chuba is not a permanent solution. For your fantasy team right for your fantasy team. I don't think for the first season long because Jonathan Brooks will come back eventually. The question for Brooks is does he does he take over the volume or is he slowly worked in and it's a time show that's why I mean what I mean by it's not permanent where once Brooks is back it's going to be messy in a time share. Yeah, I don't mind at all taking Chuba Hubbard at the end of your drafts or if you've already finished your draft swapping him out if you need, especially I mean we talk about if you went zero RB or if you if you don't have starting running backs because you were a little bit risky up top. Chuba should be able to get off to a to a hot start. He is it. Jerome Ford is the perfect comp because we got word the Nick Chubb is also on the PUP to Hubbard like we give that six game sample. But if you actually look at the majority of the season from weeks week six on he was on pace for over a thousand yards 90% of his passes he can catch the football seven touchdowns in that anemic offense. It was pretty good it was over it was double digits that's that's how Mike had often described Rome Ford was like he's going to get you double digits. It seems like that's on the table for Chuba Hubbard. We also got the release of some of JP Ryan in Denver which means the impending. Denver Running Backs Yeah, they're going to release him if they can't find a trade for nothing. And then they're going to release him. I think I lean towards McLaughlin. I know Mike you are higher on Audric Estime than than I was I think then both Andy and I in the draft process. But I just look at some of the he caught 50 passes last year. Yeah. So there is there's going to be room for a pass catching back and even though Estime will have you know the goal line opportunity. He is always like from day one. Sean Payton has talked about Estime as why he's a first and second down back. He's he's there big bruising back and they're going to use him. But I think I'm wanting to soak up the targets. You know that that are vacated here from some of JP Ryan. McLaughlin will have the standalone value where Estime he's probably just an insurance back for Juventa which it's a even look the Denver Broncos offense is not inspiring for fantasy football but the running backs just the whole group of them. They're going to catch so many passes because that's what Sean Payton does. It looks like that's what bone next is going to be perfectly fine moving forward with so McLaughlin has standalone value where if Juventa should miss time. I think Estime will be a real serious pickup. And then one more name I want to bring up for sure is Isaiah likely the Baltimore tight end. Isaiah Likely This is a team that has a great deal of need in the passing game for reliable weapons. Mark Andrews we brought it up at the live show. He has started as the tight end to three consecutive years through the first six weeks. The last two years he has precipitously dropped. He's been outside the top 20 at the tight end position from week seven on over the last two years which you can blame on injury because that is a fair thing to blame it on but it's still been a pattern. So Isaiah likely came in. Well speaking of injury I mean right now Mark Andrews is not on the field. The Baltimore Ravens play the first game of the NFL season. They have the least amount of time for him to get healthy and this is one of those like if you were later in your drafts and you grab Pat Friarman. Or even even if you even if you're the guy that has you know David Joku or Ferguson for me if I'm that type of I've got that tight end on my roster I'm going to drop one of my dispensable last round picks and I'm going to pick up Isaiah likely because likely when Mark Andrews is out is awesome. And if I get to have that to look it's stupid it's silly but we do this for fun when the when the ball is kicked off right right right. I want players in that game and if Mark Andrews isn't there and I could put Isaiah likely into my lineup and watch and enjoy. I'm definitely doing that. It's more than fun. I mean if Isaiah like if if Andrews is out I would rather play Isaiah likely I think for a couple weeks over probably on Ferguson. So I mean Mark Andrews what is his consensus ranking on our website right now. I haven't moved him yet. It's no we haven't moved him down. The news is just that he's still not practicing. Yeah. So you two have him at number two I'm at five. You know the question is where would you know if he was out for the year where would Isaiah likely slide in and I think he would be competitive with Dalton Kincaid for probably top six for that spot. So yeah it's a good name to bring up ahead of that first week game. He was the tight end three from week 14 on last year when he got that opportunity 56 yards a game. So yeah I mean important and he's still out today so Mark Andrews is I expect Andrews to play but you know if Andrews is back on the field tomorrow whatever then then drop likely and move forward with whatever tight end you had but just hold on to him for now. All right thanks again to NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV watch every game every Sunday when you bundle NFA NFL Sunday Ticket and YouTube TV. Sign up today at YouTube.com slash fantasy footballers local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday Ticket for out of market games excludes the digital only games device and content restrictions apply. NFL News News and notes from around the league presented by USA insurance. CeeDee Lamb Oh we did it CD lamb and the Cowboys have agreed to a mean I did it for you. Sure. You take all your contracts and add them up. They're probably not even the one contract that I got my guy. Now see he's my keeper Mike and League of Record you don't know this but it was me again. Four years darn it 136 million dollars 100 million guaranteed get a U.K. contract man. And so CD lamb is a team first. He got paid so that's good news we can rest easy we've got some time before the season and CD lamb will be back out there soaking up so many targets. I think it's worth noting as well that Jamar Chase while not getting the money he has been practicing he's been on the field. Yeah I mean that the worry to me with with lamb I you and Chase has just been are they are they going to be not not necessarily out of shape. I don't think they can get out of shape but you know like when you're not going full speed and then you snap your fingers and you're at game speed. Yeah I worry about hamstring. Yeah some injuries. And then just what you wanted here Mike the Cowboys are hosting Dalvin Cook for a visit which you know you'd say hey that doesn't really impact a depth chart unless your depth chart already has Ezekiel Elliott and Rico Dowdle and unproven players at this stage of their career. So if Dalvin Cook does sign a contract and factor into a very dumb dumb committee you're starting to feel like Baltimore a couple years ago could be where you know what was it. Davonta Freeman and Latavius Murray and Lev Bell were a trifecta for Baltimore and they're just fighting their way through the season with that it would you know people some people like Royce Freeman like who's involved in that offense. That's four names that are you know we're all draft picks 15 years ago. I mean the Cowboys depth chart remains ambiguous even like if they have Dalvin Cook this doesn't change my upside stance for Rico Suave. Like Dalvin Cook has been available to NFL teams all year long and this is like at the end of August here coming in right before the season starts that's not the biggest threat. I mean like it's not going to be Dalvin Cook. Here are some players to add to the list we mentioned earlier that will start the year on the PUP and missed at least four games. Nick Chubb four game PUP at least Jonathan Brooks TJ Hawkinson and then Keaton Mitchell who had a brief moment last year in Baltimore and then a major injury. Tyler Higbee had the major injury and then Kendrick Bourne as well in New England so opportunities like New England is there a really interesting situation because it seems like Drake may as emerging as a favorite to start and then Jalen Polk who I think is very talented seems like he's going to have an opportunity early with Kendrick Bourne on the shelf and you know this is a team that let go of juju so they're moving forward with the youth movement they're only projected to win four games by Vegas. So you know if you're the Patriots and it's about experience it's interesting to see you know Jalen Polk to start the year. Yeah I like Jalen Polk a lot I was caping for him pretty hard during the rookie draft process. It's going to take some time you know he has been he's been playing with the twos like they're it's they're really making him earn it the Patriot way so it could take a few weeks but. So I'm saying if you're drafting Polk you're you're going to be need to be patient as I think it might take a couple weeks. They have not named the starting quarterback though right. Correct. I loved the quote from Drod Mayo just recently of saying at the late he said quote it's a true competition and I would say at this current point Drake has outplayed Jacobi which at this current point is when you have to name a star like isn't that saying that. Yeah there's another headline that basically said yeah may has outplayed Jacobi but other things factor in. I'm like what else is in playing football. The what also factors in is that their offensive line is bad like Jacobi Bressette part of this discussion is Jacobi Bressette got dropped on his shoulder in a preseason game because the offensive line is so brutal. So it's there is I think something fair of don't put the number three pick out there to be the sacrificial baby for the New England Patriots. Let let a veteran be out there try and calm some things down before you get him in but it's still up in the air. We mentioned the Broncos are expected to move on from some of the P. Ryan but they're also expected to move on from wide receiver Tim Patrick. This one's weird. So wild because he had a great preseason. He looked like the number two target. Yeah he had established himself had a good connection even with bow Knicks and then it's like and we're done. I don't blame them in the sense that you know he's he's still got a bigger contract. He's not the future. This is a youthful rebuilding Broncos team and if they could get something for Tim Patrick on the market. I would do that if I was the Broncos. I don't think they're going to get anything on. I don't I don't know that someone's going to trade for him. But it is a surprise. It is. And what else do we have going on. Marshall. I'm not expected to be on I.R. to start the year with the hamstring. It has been from the moment of the draft every day. It's a little worse for March on Lloyd. Yeah. But they also have AJ Dillon who was held out last week due to a stinger who is the second role in the running back room had that injury last year. And suddenly you're starting to talk about in deep leagues Emmanuel Wilson. Oh yeah we are. Because you know he's he's next man up and he was 11 for 52 on the ground in the final preseason game. And you're talking about Josh Jacobs. I mean one of the reasons I had been against Josh Jacobs is how adamant this coaching staff has always been that he employs a committee. Well if you don't have other healthy backs you sometimes your hand is forced like Josh Jacobs can start the year. He was a hot starter. We just talked about that on a recent show. And if he starts the year getting a large volume while they're waiting for these backs to come healthy for a great offense. Like he might be he might be real good. He was real real good. He was the number one running back in all of football last year and percentage of his team's carries. So when you talk about capability to a workload number one teams are willing to give him everything and he's able to handle everything. That's one of the big discussions. It's not today's not the day. But when you look at you know we look at the yards per carry in the efficiency on that team. But there should be some additional math done based on workhorse running backs. It's not a surprise that Julio McLaughlin's a 5.4 carry or Devon a chance at eight or. Well that's a surprise. We had or it's pretty hard or Lamar Miller was at six before he became a workhorse. You know there are there's Nick Chubb and Jamal Charles and then the rest of them don't really do. Right. That over 300 carries. And when you look and you say Josh Jacobs gets every carry of every down of every situation on a team that had no offense. Obviously the Packers who have a great deal of trust in their team building looked at Josh Jacobs and didn't go. Well let's just hyper focus on his efficiency numbers right there. They didn't. They went out and gave him the bag to be hit the running back and and the confidence level is not in. Wow did he you know. Given that when they're stacking the box against Aiden O'Connell and he runs for one yard. It's all his fault. That's not how the team looks at it. And I think it'd be educational I think on some degree to look at workhorse and you know just total carries short yardage goal line. If you score from the one it's one a carry. Sure. Right. I mean all those things factor in and he gets a ton of those opportunities to so I'm not just speaking about Josh Jacobs I'm speaking about anybody who gets massive workload and it looks like I mean Rashad White got everything for that team with a bad offensive line. The team has a different view than we do on that number. I'm just bringing that up. Chief signed juju bringing him back. He knows the offense. They do this all the time. They bring back guys that you know McCall Hardman came back. Mike Williams returning to team drills and we had Jameer Gibbs back at practice. Laporta back at practice. The Joku back to practice. The only one that wasn't Mike Jalen Waddle. He was seen. He's a non contact. You couldn't miss him. He's been at practice. You couldn't miss him because he's wearing a bright red jersey that says don't hit me. What. Here's a. What. Yeah he has a. What is happening. That's red. The panic alarm is red too. What do you mean what's happening. This is Jalen Waddle's entire career. Oh it is. He plays. Well you know how the game last year he actually wore the red non contact jersey out onto the field on that would be awesome. That would be awesome. No you can't touch me. Yeah I mean having having had the Waddle experience all year last year. He doesn't miss the games but he misses parts of all. He plays in this year. He played 16 games as a rookie played the entire season the next year. Two out of three years. I'm just talking about two out of three plays. I'm not talking about the game. You know it. You why he goes out injured every fourth play. Last year last year that did happen but I'm saying more of what is happening of like. Knee soreness where backs soreness concussion. You know it's undisclosed. It was an undisclosed injury and like where are the beat reporters out of Miami when this is like really starting to take off. Like there's it was just whispers you know it's not if the superstar wide receiver on any other team is missing that much practice. I feel like reporters should be able to be saying very loud. Hey guys. He's not here. They're used to it. They're too used to it like this is like I have had to say I had the same experience. It was very very frustrated. And some players for some reason. They just get banged up. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not his story moving forward. Feels like you know we need some long stretch of healthy games. All right. That was today's news and notes presented by U.S. A. insurance. Learn more at USA.com slash insurance. We'll take a break. We're coming back with a brand new segment boys. It's gonna be fun. All right we are. I feel like we almost had a consensus level of embarrassment moving. Josh Jacobs higher and higher in our rankings as things work in his direction. He was a player that didn't get a lot of love from this show early on but we are talking about players that we might not want to admit that we're kind of into this year. Players we are embarrassed to love Players we're embarrassed to love. Andy why don't you start us off with Tank Bigsby. That's not one of them. Sorry. Did you or did you not just this morning draft Tank Bigsby. I did draft. I did draft Tank Bigsby. It was. Let's go ahead and qualify that really quickly. No no no move on. Let me see what round. No we'll start it because he's on my list Jason. OK. Maybe you should read the show doc and see what's about to happen. So he was a 15th round pick for me. It is the right place. So Mike go ahead and start. Yes I will start with it because look. Mike’s Embarrassing Players Watching Tank Bigsby play on an NFL field last year was embarrassing to all people who believed in him. It's embarrassing. Mr. and Mrs. Bigsby. We're also embarrassed. Yes. Anyone who is associated with Tank Bigsby last year washed what happened and it was awful. It was the second lowest rush success rate amongst the rookie running backs. He caught one of his four targets. All of them were caught though. He turns. He turns many of them into interceptions somehow. But for me for Tank Bigsby it's going back to what I believed in him about a when he was a collegiate prospect collegiate prospect and he has looked much much better in this preseason and I will jump in before anyone else says it because yeah he looked pretty good last preseason five point seven and carry last preseason. He he was excellent. 97 of 105 rushing yards were gained after contact. That's per Jacob Gibbs. It's for me about Tank Bigsby it comes down to again I thought he could be a good player coming into the league. The Jacksonville Jaguars also thought he could be a good player coming into the league spending day two capital on him and just saying over and over we don't want Travis E. Tien to have to be this player. He has had to be that guy for them. They don't want that to be the case and looking at the rest of the roster. If anyone is going to be the player that can actually spell Travis E. Tien it has to be Tank Bigsby. I don't know if he can do it. It's embarrassing that I have to keep talking about super embarrassing but I like him and I think that he could be a huge reason why Travis E. Tien is not the it doesn't come through with his 80. What does that mean for drafting Tank Bigsby like Andy just took him in the 15th round of a best ball. That's fine. You're drafting the insurance running backs who you know if they get a week or two later in the season then then they hit. What are you doing in the draft leagues with with Tank Bigsby. Tank Bigsby is only an insurance draft pick the Blake Corum or Tank Bigsby in a draft Corum. Okay. Blake Corum. This is both honestly both of my players that I'm embarrassed that I am into their their opportunity this year. It's more about what does it negatively do to the other players. What was your second player. Yeah it's Bucky Irving of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was drafted in the fourth round. There's you know Bucky Irving. Oh he's he's too small. He's actually like the same size as James Cook maybe even a little bit thicker than James Cook and he excels at pass catching 56 receptions his final year at Oregon. I think that he that if Rashad White doesn't come through it's because of his big Tank Bigsby 58 percent of his runs you mean Bucky Irving. Sorry thank you Bucky Irving. 58 percent of his runs runs this preseason have gone for five or more yards like this guy has gotten it done. Not in our news because it embarrassing to Chase Edmonds, the perceived backup for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is expected to go on IR and miss the entire season. So if anyone is stepping up for the Bucs, it's going to be Bucky Irving. And I think that he's going to come in and make Rashad White not, not torch him, but make it so that his ADP that you're drafting Rashad White at, you're a little bit disappointed. I feel like you're not embarrassed. Like this is embarrassed to love. These players you're embarrassed to love. I feel like it is almost a reverse embarrassed to hate on Travis Etienne and Rashad White. Yeah, sure. You can look at it that way. You're like, I'm down on those guys because of their backups. I watched every preseason Bucky Irving snap earlier this morning and Sean Tucker also had a really strong preseason. And the biggest thing with Irving size is not to me that it's prohibitive for him to have a role on the offense with Rashad White healthy. It's more that taking him or believing in him. I don't think that there's any chance under the sun where if Rashad White went out, it's all Bucky Irving. I would think it would be the committee behind them. Yeah, I could agree with that. You know, he's, he's 20 pounds under where Rashad White is a couple of inches shorter. And he, he looked pretty good. Looks pretty spicy. I still don't see a world like I know I'm like I've been demonstrative about Rashad White. I don't see the world where the team trusts Irving above white on third down and Irving's one of his special skill sets. Ironically, also one of Keeshawn Fawns, also one of Chase Edmonds, everybody that's been part of this depth and backfield. You know, Edmonds was a prolific pass catcher in Arizona. Never really came together in Tampa Bay. They're trying to find a compliment there. But, but Irving Irving seems like a very talented player. I just don't know what spelling Rashad White translates to for fantasy. I think if he does spell him as a pass catcher a little bit, you know, it's, you know, a, let's say a target and a half a game end up going to Bucky. That's a big deal. Yeah. I mean, you're, you're taught, you know, you're talking about 24 targets that you would lose. So that's dropping you from 70 down to the high 40s of the 50s. What are your thought processes with these two guys, Jason? Because Mike might be embarrassed to love them, but I would like to hear what you think. Yeah, I don't personally think that Bucky will really spell white. They, this team views Rashad White, I believe as their bell cow. They drafted Bucky Irving because he's, he's a talented explosive short area burst guy that I think just at value where they were in the draft and they needed depth. Seems like a smart pick with Chase Edmonds being out on IR for the year. I don't think it's a bad pick at all. But when push comes to shove and the games are being played, and this is also a team that is, they're not that good, but they still as they are fighting for playoffs. Obviously they made the playoffs last year, shockingly. But Mike, you know, they're going to want to do everything they can to retain their jobs. Like this, this staff thinks that white is their best chance to win these games. So I have a hard time believing that he's going to be pulled off the field when he wasn't last year. Yeah, I think the point there is great. I mean, this is a playoff team. They didn't just make it. They destroyed Philadelphia in the playoffs. That's what happened. This was not a failure of a team. This was a team that had a recipe for success that they literally spent the offseason committing money in capital to repeat. They believe that the weapon that they have is, the weapons that they have are what they needed to win games. So if this was a team that really needed a change, I think that would be a different discussion. I thought Rashad White was incredibly successful for this team. Yeah, he was. And it was great for fantasy, for sure. But I do totally understand the point that what Bucky Irving does well is the exact thing that caused Rashad White to be good for fantasy. So if that does, if that is what is changed, then Rashad White will be a disappointment. But I go back to the things to remember episode where it was like, if someone is really good on the field, them drafting a backup is not going to pull them off. Yeah. Which, but I don't apply that here. I don't look at what Rashad White did on the field last year and go, that's an elite player. Fair. He is excellent in pass catching. Absolutely. But I mean, on the ground, I know that Andy, the workhorse, you're talking about it, but for a workhorse to be under four yards, like, you destroy Najee Harris. Whenever you possibly can for his inefficiency. He's more efficient than Rashad White on the ground. Well, but I don't question Najee Harris getting the workload in Pittsburgh to some side backup. You know what I mean? Like, Najee gets the work. Yeah. It sounds like you should love Najee. Well, look, I would be embarrassed to love Najee. That's for sure. And just to wrap it all up, I still have Rashad White at RB 14. He's being drafted as the 13. So this is not a panic alarms in the streets. This is, I'm looking towards the end of the season and if things go wrong for Rashad White, that is what has happened. I get it. And because of the inefficiency on the ground, his situation to me is more fragile. I think there are definitely people in your camp of being very worried about Rashad White. Yeah, I mean, that was, I mean, that was us last year and we took the L on that. So I'm going to learn my lesson and I'll be in on White. Barry White, that is. Yeah. He will become him. Let's talk about another guy. I am embarrassed to love this guy. Jason’s Embarrassing Players He's a nasty boy of summer. Another running back. It's Zach Moss. Oh, no. I have, I've joked this whole off season that he's my dude and I've always loved them. If you are new to the show or you didn't understand the joke, I did not like Zach Moss as a prospect. I think that's, that's not, that's not telling the whole truth. I thought Zach Moss as a prospect was terrible. Yes. There we go. And I loved being proven right for his whole career until all of a sudden last year in, you know, backup form for Jonathan Taylor. He was awesome. You know, he started the season. He was really, really good. Obviously when, when Jonathan Taylor came back, the whole Zach Moss experiment was over and now he goes, he signs a new contract with the Bengals. He's 26 years old. He's entering his fifth year in the NFL and I like him. I, I really, really do. I think that he's going to be the replacement of Joe Mixon. I think he fits the, Zach Moss fits the Bengals running scheme really, really well. And there's just, you know, there's, there is, um, I think there's two camps, right? Like you're either on Chase Brown or you're on Zach Moss. Right. I'm on the Zach Moss side. I think he is the veteran that they will put in place for protection, for short yardage, for everything. I think Brown profiles as a change of pace, kind of explosive backup versus having the, the veteran presence of Moss in there. What do you do when some Ajay P Ryan ends up back on this team? Uh, that will be, that will be very vomit. He vomits. Jason vomits. I will no longer be embarrassed to love Moss because I will not. The Zach Moss history is so wild. I mean, we've talked about Devin Singletary in New York. Devin Singletary lost the battle with Zach Moss and Buffalo. You got to go back and remember that. Like Zach Moss was the one that kept Devin Singletary out the field. He seems to be beloved by these, you know, we didn't like him. We thought he was slow and, and Jason made it very vocal. But like Zach Moss has, he earned that rolling buffalo, then he moves on. He's a backup and he takes over the league. And now he goes to a great situation. Um, I, I won't lie. I mean, I put a lot of stock in what Zach Taylor said about Chase Brown. He's shown a great deal of, uh, giving him a lot of praise as far as, uh, what the expectation is. I'm mostly worried that there'll be a, a committee of disappointment. Yeah. I mean, that, that's the truth. I mean, you don't have to be in one of the two camps where you're either Chase Brown or Zach Moss. You could also be in the third camp, which very well might be the right camp to be in, which is these two guys are going to platoon and, and make it irrelevant. But Mike talks about how bad Joe Mixon was, how inefficient. Yeah. And it's like Joe Mixon was the running back five with all of his inefficiencies because the offense is good. They're going to pass to their running back. I think that will be, I think that'll be Zach Moss. He's so late in drafts. So that's one of my two guys that I'm embarrassed. I'm embarrassed to love. And who's the other one? The other one, I'm hanging with Mr. Cooper, a Mari Cooper. This is, uh, like I, I, I think he's really, really good. And I think the reason I'm embarrassed is just, I don't think that's an embarrassing statement at all. No, it's, it's the Sean Watson. Cause I don't think the Sean Watson is good. I do not think he's good. I think he's lost it. You think he was good. I think he was a good football player. And, um, yeah, Mari Cooper, you look at his 17 game pace with the five full games that Watson played last year. And it was, I mean, it was, it was world beaters stuff. 95 for 1,632 yards and seven touchdowns. That was the guy he was looking for in the offense. And even when Dishon Watson was playing putridly, he still found a Mari Cooper because a Mari Cooper is a really talented wide receiver. I don't think he's aged out. So I, where he, but every time, every time I'm on the clock, I'm like, do I really want to put the eggs in the basket? You would have to watch Watson play quarterback in order to watch your wide receiver. Yeah. And I don't want to do that. Yeah. Mari Cooper is like, You can like put your hand up cover that's over half the screen. I guess usually the quarterback's in about the same spot. Just put a piece of tape on the screen. Yeah. You'll see. Can AI like blur him? So you just see the ball come out of his like blur mark on the screen. You could see the offensive line and then all of a sudden the ball is, Woo. What if we AI in Joe Flacco? Like it's the same play, but we just put Joe Flacco on the, on the camera. Would that be, because that was a good time. It was, but also, you know, a Mari Cooper, he was good with both players. Um, and the reason is because of Mari Cooper is, is super. He is a very, very talented wide receiver. He's always open. He's always in the right spot. He's got great hands and this depth chart, like I, I know they're trying to fix it. Right. They go out and get Jerry Judy. Jerry Judy is not that good. He is just a guy. He was supposed to be this great, you know, otherworldly water see her and he's not. He is an average NFL wide receiver. He's a starting caliber NFL wide receiver, but Watson has his eyes set on a Mari Cooper. A Mari Cooper or T Higgins? T Higgins. Okay. Higgins is two spots later than a Mari Cooper. I'm, I'm, I'm big fan of T Higgins. George Pickens or a Mari Cooper? A Mari Cooper. Uh, Terry McClarn or a Mari Cooper? A Mari Cooper. Zay Flowers or a Mari Cooper? Mari Cooper. Calvin Ridley or a Mari Cooper? A Mari Cooper. Rashi Rice or a Mari Cooper? Rashi Rice. Okay. Um, it's not as bad as you thought it was. I am embarrassed to love a player that has finished wide receiver 28, 21, 25, 14 and 28. Andy’s Embarrassing Players 14? All right. I am embarrassed to love Terry McClarn this year. Um, I think it's going to be the year for Terry McClarn. I'm also embarrassed to love Will Levis this year. And I think that one is, is. That one's way more embarrassing. Um, I think it would be kind of, uh, impossible for me to be as bullish about Calvin Ridley without believing in Will Levis. I don't think. Banana Ramah! Thank you. Thank you. Yes. Banana Ramah himself, I think he's way better than people think he is. And I think you're going to see it this year. I think if you're going to two quarterback league and you're, you're deciding how late to wait for that second quarterback, which is something that, you know, Mike loves to do is to kind of push that, uh, down the drain. Uh, down the draft a little bit. I just like to feel alive. Yeah. Well, I look, Will Levis will make you feel alive. Okay, I will. And never been so close to death. You know, we had. We have. Tennessee was a different team last year. This is Derek Henry. This is Mike Vrable. This was a disappointment of a season. It was also a season in which Will Levis took over halfway through the year. No off season, no practice, no Calvin Ridley. Um, to me, he's exciting. He has a, uh, he has the opportunity to come out and be a gunslinger. That's what you want to see. So, uh, is he dangerous? Horribly dangerous. What is he going to make some mistakes? Yeah, but, but so does James Winston and we love the ride. So Will Levis to me, I think he's sneaky. I think when you look at the very last third of quarterbacks in ADP and you say, can this player do anything for my team in the range of outcomes? And like Derek Carr's range of outcomes, right? Bryce Young's range of outcomes. Bo Nix's range of outcomes. Geno Smith's range of outcomes. Like to me, Will Levis has some of the hot, like you look at him and Matthew Stafford, like Stafford, despite the weapons, we've been on the ride for a really, really long time with Matthew Stafford. Like Matthew Stafford spent the first seven weeks of last year almost repeating quarterback 15 every week. Like Will Levis is going to have some games, man. He's going to have some four, three or four touchdown games this year. I'm booking it. Like his first game when he tricked us all and he goes out there and first game as a, as a starter just throws for four touchdowns. He, he is a gunslinger. He is not afraid to throw the ball down field. He has much better weapons this year in adding Calvin Ridley. So he was under pressure. So much less. Not if you ask him. Yeah, he had no idea. No, he had no idea. He can't see it. But they, they did improve their offensive line. I don't mind taking a shot on Will Levis. I am curious though where he's going in drafts like would you rather have Baker Mayfield or Will Levis? They're going on the edge of undrafted territory in a regular redraft. To Levis is two spots behind. I think I'd take Baker still. What about the Sean Watson or Will Levis? That's a good one. I would probably take, I would take Watson because despite, despite the frustration displayed, like, you know, he played a handful of full games and three of the five games he played, he was a top 10 quarterback. Yeah, for fantasy he was all right. You, you would have to cover your eyes and watch it, but he ended up okay. But Terry McLaurin, you know, we saw DJ Moore emerge from the mist, right? This, this kind of perpetual, we know you're good, but it doesn't matter list. And there are certain players on that list. DJ Moore came out last year with Justin Fields at quarterback and redefined his story as a fantasy weapon. And McLaurin has four straight 120 plus target, thousand yard seasons. He just hasn't had the ability to, you know, put it together week after week. No, Johan Dotson, Dianne Brown on the other side. We're figuring out Luke McCaffrey. We've got like, there's one guy. Yeah, there is one guy. And then there's a big, there's a big gap. Oh man. And I believe in Jay Daniels, obviously. He's a my guy. So these both have correlation, right? Like Jay Daniels is my guy. And so inadvertently, I love Terry McLaurin, Calvin Ridley is my guy. And inadvertently, I love Will Lovis. I'm embarrassed because I've spent most of those five years telling you that McLaurin wasn't going to produce for you as there was hype going into every season. So, you know, we got to stay water with what you believe about these offenses. I think Washington is going to be a little bit of a better team than people think they will be. And I think McLaurin is that guy. He's a dog. He's going to go out and he's going to give you wide receiver one opportunities every week with a much better quarterback. And, you know, plus probably 24% target share in the offense. And I hope it comes together for him. I mean, the touchdowns have been a major problem. That's not something you generally get from a rookie quarterback. But you're telling me you can't get to six. You can't get to seven. If you get to seven touchdowns, which is well within the range of outcomes for a rookie quarterback, you're going to have a much, much better year than his ADP. He is going in the late sixth round right now. And he's also a player with great fatigue in the fantasy community. So I don't think people want to take him. Yeah, he seems like he'll be a wide receiver too. Let me see who's going around him and who's sexier name wise. Okay. Pickens. I would probably take Pickens, but much sexier. I would go McLaurin there. Okay. Pickens is currently three spots higher in ADP. Keenan Allen. I would go McLaurin. I'll take Terry. Yeah. I mean, Christian Kurt. McLaurin. And then you've got to decide between McLaurin number one for Jay and Daniels or T. Higgins. T. Higgins. So that's a tough call. T. Higgins has. I feel like T. Higgins needs to be in this list for you, Jason. Yeah. I'm not embarrassed, man. You know what I mean? Well, T. Higgins has 2000 yard seasons. Last year was the disappointment with only playing 12 games. But they're kind of similar. T. Higgins normally scores a touchdown or two more than McLaurin. He'll catch fewer passes. He'll get fewer targets. Yeah. I mean, we talked about this last week of just whether or not wide receiver twos on good offenses are worth it. And they're usually very good picks. Who should be most embarrassed about the names mentioned today, Al? I want to know your opinion because you've heard all the names. Who should walk out of here most embarrassed that this was put onto a podcast? I think I'd have to go with Mike. Yeah. Yeah, he went deep. Yeah. Because I put myself out there. The players I talked about are Jarrose. Why do you love them? I'm embarrassed. I already told you why. Yeah, no, that's fair. I have put my shame out into the world. Yeah, that's new. Man, I hope Tank Bigsby can redeem himself from last year. Yeah. You know what? And you don't get to be on the ride. You're banished. I will watch from afar. No, you are banished. Yeah, he's my guy. That's true. All right, let's jump into some mailbag. Mailbag. Mailbag. Okay, we have some questions here. Mailbag Erica in Palm Beach, Florida. What's everyone's temperature on Brandon Cooks this year? That's a good question. I just saw him go in that 15th round as well. He's currently on my bench as a wide receiver for a redraft. I haven't heard anybody talk about him. And I was wondering if I should drop somebody, drop him for somebody like Wicks or Mooney. So I wouldn't drop him for Mooney. I wouldn't drop him for Wicks either, honestly. I think he's in the same tier as those players. I think that like if everything works out for Brandon Cooks this year, he'll be a solid player. It's like, it's just, if you're going to chase the upside where Don Tevi and Wicks, if it works for him, a lot of things have to happen on the chessboard. But if it works for Don Tevi and Wicks, then you're like, oh man, I stole a top 24 wide receiver where I don't think Brandon Cooks, he's not going to jump into that range. He'll just be a solid flex player. Yeah, and Brandon Cooks to me is a very good best ball pick. You know, if you look at how he's kind of converted into more of a touchdown guy, not a volume play. So if he gets a touchdown, you're happy. If he doesn't, his lows are really, really low. Like last season, he finished as the wide receiver 36, but he had games of, you know, 5.7, 4.7, 2, 1.8, 1.2, 2.7, 3.0. Like he's just not an integral part of the offense. So you get the spike weeks when the touchdowns happen, but I don't want, I would rather have a guy at the end of my bench be more of the Don Tavion wicks personally where, I'm going to move on from this player no matter what, unless he comes out and says, oh, he did level up. He is on the field. He is the guy that, you know, is the next big thing versus the, you know, used to be a thing. I can keep either Kyryn Williams, Aaron and Nashville writing in. I can keep Kyryn Williams in round 10 or Sam LaPorta in round 11. I've been going back and forth. Kyryn. I think we'd all say Kyryn in that one. Logan in Utah, hey ballers, just wondering if you are avoiding players with the same bye week or avoiding onesies with the same bye week? Well, onesies being tight end and quarterback in mostly. I mean, generally I'm not drafting multiple onesies. There are times when I'm going to have two quarterbacks if I take them very late. I think, I mean, I imagine, but I don't really care. I think what he's asking is you draft multiple onesies every draft because you draft a quarterback and a tight end. And so because you don't have depth at those two spots, you would have to sign off the waiver wire. So maybe you avoid having them on the same bye week because then you got to sign two guys. No, I'm not worried about that. I'm not worried about that at all. I'm trying to grab the best players for the weeks that are on the field and my roster is going to look so different. If this is not like a best ball league, if this is just my home league, my roster is going to look so different by week four than it did leaving the draft. I don't know what my bye weeks are going to be by the time bye weeks start rolling around. And thus you spent up on the two onesies. That would be the one situation you might want to keep in the back of your head if you spent up on them both. But I'm not really thinking about it either. Sure. I mean, obviously if you spend up and you get that my home's Kelsey Stack, I promise they have the same battery. Yeah, that's a good point. We'll take a quick break and answer some more questions. All right. The next question comes in from Brandon. Have you ever left the fantasy draft where you were unsatisfied with your team and what did you think about it? Which? Oh yeah. Of course. I was the auctioneer of an auction draft that I was participating in and that was impossible for me. That was, I left that draft going. I don't know why I drafted any of these people. Generally, if it happens, it's because there was a player like in the middle of the draft that I want, that was my target. I'm not prepared properly for them to be drafted. And then I tilt and when you make a tilt pick right in the middle, it usually turns into a second tilt pick and then you're upset with yourself and your draft. So that's why you be ready. It's okay if your target gets taken from you, have the other players ready. All right. Bob writes in from Ohio, where are your tier based draft rankings located? Yeah. So the ultimate draft kit, you can go to myudk.com if you have it. That's just a quick URL so you can always pull up the UDK. But all of our rankings by default in the ultimate draft kit are going to show up in their tiers based on your scoring setting. Yeah. Positional rankings. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that's worth mentioning because people ask about where are the tiers in Dynasty, where are the tiers in top 200. Dynasty is so, the reason we don't have tiers in Dynasty is because you can draft your team for about 100 different potential strategy types. So there would be a different tier grouping if you were going to build a long-term team. There's a different tier grouping if you were to build a team to win tomorrow. Yeah. At some teams, Derek Henry is an incredibly important Dynasty asset. At some teams, he is a very expiring, not valuable Dynasty asset. Jose writes in, Mike, he says, hey, ballers love the show. What would be the biggest change in strategy between drafting in a 12 team versus a 10 team league? And I'm going to throw one more in there. Somebody had asked recently on Twitter about a 16 team league. So what's the biggest difference in strategy that you find between a very large league or a smaller league like 10 and 18? So the 10 and the eights, that's where everyone's team, their starting lineup is going to be awesome. So you have to find the small edges, which is the easiest one is your quarterback in your tight end position. When you are in the larger teams, I'm a little more focused on, like, I don't like the cost of spending an early round pick on a quarterback. Because depth, you lose it so quickly. Yes. And then that might be a league where I'm more likely to take the two quarterbacks at the end. I'm taking, you know, I'm taking Jaden Daniels. I'm taking Jared Goff just trying to find some upside at the position because I bypassed it. But, and I mean, this may sound like common sense, but it's, you need to be more informed about the NFL. You need to be deeper in the weeds of paying attention to all these, the cuts that are happening. Because there are, there are, there's movement happening right now in fantasy players. It's not top, usually top tier guys who are getting affected, but it's those depth guys that are getting changed right now. And you need to be on top of that news. In a 16 team league, suddenly you're talking about Josh Reynolds and Denver. Suddenly you're talking about Greg Dorch in Arizona. Like those are names that are going to be not just, oh, maybe I'm getting, maybe it's the last round pick that gets lucky. No, these are like players you're probably playing. Like it does, like that's a good point, Mike. I don't think we say that enough with the big team. The big leagues is just, you need to go deeper. You're going to have to have more intel. All right, website question from Garrett in Wyoming says, how many fantasy leagues are you guys in and how many of each kind? Yeah, I mean, it depends on, my number is always depending on what do you mean? Like, because are these the leagues I really care about? Then there's like four. There's four leagues that I really care about. Well, I'm probably in six, seven, eight leagues total. But there's a big four. We try to keep it that way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a hard thing to maintain, but I think this show's going to always benefit from us being dedicated and committed to a core, small group of leagues where we are emotionally invested, like every one of you. And that's what we enjoy about fantasy. There's not a lot of fun to me about having every player on every single team in every single league. Because then, because I'm in 20 of them. Yeah. So this play that, you know, oh, he got a touchdown that that's good for me. That's bad for me for every player across the league. I think seven or eight years ago, we both, we all started adding more and more and more leagues and we experienced that. And so we, we've cut down and we're trying to always be committed and dedicated to our primary leagues. My tip for people ask, say, how do I know if I'm in too many leagues? If you get to Tuesday's waiver wire and you're not excited. Such a good point. If you're not excited to go into each and every league and be in the weeds, because waiver wires to really be successful, you have to have a view of the entire league. It's not just, you know, your team looking at what do you need? You have to be looking at what everyone else in the league needs, because that's going to affect what you should bid. If you're in fab, that's going to affect when you know to, I'm burning the priority this week. So if you are not excited, you're in too many, cut them down. If I have to go into 20 different waiver wires and cut tank, it's being 20 different waiver wires. All right. That is going to do it for today's show. A reminder, the ultimate draft kit available right now for your weekend drafts, for your weekday drafts. I mean, people are drafting all throughout this week with the NFL starting next Thursday. So head over to ultimate draft kit.com. Get yourself equipped to dominate your drafts. Set that foundation for your season so you can go win a fantasy championship. We have the fantasy time machine this week on one of our episodes. Great Scott. We've got, I got that one. Great Scott. Thank you very much. We got another mock draft, our final mock draft of the draft season. And then we've got a fantasy MVP episode, which is always very fun. And then next week, guess what? It's going to be football time. Oh man. It's going to be football time. I can't freaking wait for football. I need the real thing. It's coming. It's coming very quickly. All right. Catch you tomorrow. Good bye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com. And follow us on Twitter at theFFballers.