Week 1 Hype + TNF Breakdown, Starts/Sits | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1626

Intro Whole Baby Foot Clan, we have real football to talk about today. We are breaking down the Thursday night matchup. We're answering all your questions. Big who to start questions are happening now and we've got you covered. Make sure you subscribe right now because this season's gonna be awesome. We're going on a ride together and enjoy the show. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore and Mike Wright. Welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers back once more. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway. Happy to be with you. Wednesday episode of this show we've got full-ducers. Full-ducers in the house. Al Borland, Papa Josh, the Falcon. Feeling all right today in the building. In the building. Yeah, it is ironic that the one day you say we have full-ducers. No Kyle today on the on the microphone. Thank goodness. Yeah, I mean is he really a dooser? Not really. I mean you need to be in doosers alley. Yeah. He's a dooser of another sort. He's on a plane. He's on his way here. We've got League of Record draft tomorrow. We got so much tomorrow. I want to hear from the listeners because I have I've heard some, you know, a sprinkling of tweets and things like that about wanting more League of Record content in general. So I want to hear about that because last year the show, the show, gosh, the show moment, the show moment of the year was the Papa Josh in my situation. And I'm not forgetting you Al. You're awful. But then like we were able to put up on the website like the matchup and and so I want to know if people want some more League of Record content. I mean things like that are always going to be split. You're going to be 50-50. Half the people out there going to be like that's awesome and half are like I don't care about your League man. That's my guess. So we'll share some pictures from our League of Record draft on Thursday and it's going to be fun. Going to break down the Thursday night game today. We're talking real football. We're going to talk about real football on the show. We got news to talk about. We'll see if Mike and Will, one more contract into existence. I gave it my best shot yesterday everyone. You have been tweeting relentlessly trying to get this done. I think I'm out of ammo. No, you're out of days too. I mean you're running out of... Not on the Joe Burrow schedule. We'll see what happens. Yeah. Jamar Chase is a big topic, especially if you haven't drafted yet or even if you have and you added him to your roster. You don't know if you're going to be able to play it. It's so stupid. It's so stupid. Here's some League of Record talk. Mike, you have the second pick in our draft. Thanks to the lottery. I have the pick just behind you. Our keeper system, most of the great players are kept. There's a handful, just a few monster great players that fall back into the draft. There's two of them in particular. AJ Brown, Jamar Chase. With the Jamar Chase holdout, he might fall to you, Mike, and guess who I play week one? You, baby. Go ahead, get that Jamar Chase and sit him on your bench and play me. I think he will. I think he would do that. It's not a one week game. No. All I care about is our matchup. Okay. We have week one rankings up on the website, thefantasyfootballers.com. You can go check those out. 20,844. That was the final count for the. That's awesome. That is the all time record for the Megaloball. And I had my Megaloball draft last night. I let my son handle some of the duties. Who's my co-manager in League of Record? He is acclimating to the advanced fantasy football world. He's got more and more into it. He's, he did all right. He made one, one kind of interesting decision. We were very, we had Jamar Gibbs in the first round. And then we went some, you know, he went like a couple whiteouts. We got Marvin Harrison and then he took a tight end. So when he was coming back in the fifth round or fourth round for another running back, and pretty much the only other running back we got on the roster was David Montgomery. Oh man. All in. So we're going big, big Lions. I, someone on Twitter told me the Lions were winning the Super Bowl. Yeah, that is a fact. Yeah. You read that too? Yeah. Somebody tweeted that out. So yes, thank you everybody for joining the Megaloballs. It's going to be fun this year. And then the community for in season tools and resources, including the brand new ultimate dashboard is at jointhefoot.com. Initial feedback has been very positive. And we're going to keep adding more and more to the ultimate dashboard. You want to know what that is? It is an in season lineup optimizer. It'll help you find spot starts. It'll help you find waiver pickups, a custom team news feed. And it's all synced to your league. If you're on ESPN public leagues, if you're on Yahoo or if you're on sleeper, those are the three supported right now. You can also manually add your team. And that optimizer is going to keep getting better and better. And that's brand new for 2024. It gives you a pretty handy news feed of what's going on with your specific players as well. Absolutely. Like if you have Kyle Pitts. Hungry For More Welcome to Hungry for More presented by Uber Eads. Oh, I, I'm hungry for more news. You beat me to the joke, Jason. I had to. I had to get there. You jumped on that grenade. I gave you need such a great segue to the wrong segment. You pulled the bin and you just rolled the ground. But at the end, I kicked it away a little bit. So just Brandon Aiyuk only grew your leg off. Yeah. Yeah. We are, we've got hungry for more. We're heading into week one. And I chose an interesting player for this week's segment. I'm hungry for more. Oh, you and me both brother. Brandon Iuk of the San Francisco 49ers. Why? Why do I want more? Because you've had none. Because I want a wide receiver one. If he's going to be treated like a wide receiver one with the, the purse strings and the trade offers. I mean, we didn't talk about it on the show, but it came out that the Browns offered a Mari Cooper and a two and a three for the opportunity to vastly, maybe not overpay, but just to write a big contract for Brandon Iuk. And Iuk didn't want to go to Cleveland and he didn't want to go to New England who also wrote a big check. And you know, the Steelers weren't willing to give up pickings on the way back. So San Francisco, that deal didn't come to fruition. Iuk even came out and said over the last month, he kind of made it hard on the team because I think he didn't know what to do. I genuinely think it was a little bit of like contract posturing. And then you get to the standstill and it was like, well, I guess I'm going to just keep holding. And then eventually you just signed the contract. You have that pot odds thing where you're like, no, I said, I said I was going to do this. It's like, ah, let's be honest, players get the chance to miss camp. Who doesn't want to miss some camp? I've, I've heard they like to miss it. So I want, when I say I'm hungry for more Brandon, Iuk, it's the, it's the level up. I want to see him have his first wide receiver one season of all time. He's never done it. He may have played like a wide receiver one and gets paid like a wide receiver one. But in fantasy, he has not accomplished that goal. He was so efficient last year was one of the things we brought up in the off season about maybe a little bit of a, whoa, be careful with Brandon Iuk because, you know, you can't have that many big plays happen year after year. And, you know, we let all wide receivers in fantasy points per target. And so that level of efficiency led to wide receiver 14. Missed the game. He was right on the edge of wide receiver one point per game. I'm trying to look it up real quick, but he was at 13.2. Is that right? 13.2 points per game. And he missed the game. I mean, that's right on that cusp. But I want top 10, Mike. That's we'll upgrade it. I'll let you know if that would have been top 10. What do you, what do you think the chances are? I mean, we can want anything, but do you believe that Brandon Iuk will be a, you know, look, he's been a top 15 wide receiver the last two seasons. Yes. How confident are you that he is a top 15 wide receiver this season? Pretty confident. And I do think that there's a chance that like we look at that offense and we look at it with the chart of targets and you say, okay, some go to Iuk, some go to Debo, Kittle gets some, McCaffrey gets some. And that's how you look at the offense. I do think the dial could be turned. I think this team could support Brandon Iuk taking a step forward and Kittle and Debo may be taking a step back if this team is planning for Debo to leave next year. It could be time for Brandon Iuk to be super alpha right on this roster. So hungry for more Brandon Iuk. I have, I've been resistant to get on that train where I believe he could be a top 10 wide receiver, but the market says he has the capability. Top 10 it will be rough if, if the 49ers keep throwing at the pace that they, they do, they're incredibly efficient. Yeah. They're incredibly efficient when they do Luke McCaffrey you. And looking at it 13.2, I think it puts him like 11th or 12th in points per game, but that's, I mean, that's point one behind Jamar Chase from last year. Yeah. All right. I'm going to go with my hungry for more a very different same position, but very different situation. It is a rookie who has gotten not a lot of love. Luke McCaffrey, rookie wide receiver for the Washington commanders. There's a player I liked the college film of, I liked the production 13 receiving touchdowns, a 37% dominator rating. And then they traded away. Johan Dotson. And when that happened, I thought, look, this must mean Luke McCaffrey is having a good camp. He's, he's doing what they wanted him to do. He was a third round pick. This is not like, you know, I know he wasn't the Christian McCaffrey brother, top 10 NFL selection, but he also wasn't, you know, Mr. Irrelevant day three, seventh round pick either. This was an investment the team made into him. And then they trade away last year's first Johan Dotson. And I'm thinking, okay, he showed enough. And then a report comes out right after that. That's like, I don't know if he's going to get run. And so I was, I was a little scared off of it because I'm always looking for those guys like Malik Washington and Luke McCaffrey, those, those rookie wide receivers that might just sneak into that starting lineup. But then the official Washington commanders depth chart comes out and low and behold, Luke McCaffrey is listed ahead of Dianne Brown on that chart at least in TBD until the games are played. But he's listed as the starter, which he should be. He's the next best, you know, Terry is the one and they've been saying all off season. They're looking for their two. I think they have it. So I, I would love to see Luke McCaffrey succeed. I would love to see him start. And we got an early off season breakfast narrative boys. Oh, yeah. Have a breakfast with Jane Daniels. Well, listen to this bill report about Jane Daniels from an ESPN article says Daniels clocks in around 545am. It is what he did at LSU to rookie receiver Luke McCaffrey has been joining Daniels in Washington, the two players watch film and then head to the practice bubble and walkthrough plays rookie, rookie connection at breakfast. Did we get confirmation that they're eating together? Because I think you were trying to, I was, I'm trying to push it in breakfast. I think, I mean, they got to eat their whole day of practice, at least like a breakfast bar. They split one. I think they're sharing a breakfast bar. It's like a protein shake, maybe. They have a, their protein quota has got to be very high. At least a gram per pound. LMC is the pick. I like it. He's a fascinating player of Jay. Just some more context in there. He started as a quarterback in college and before making the transition to being a wide receiver. So really only two years as a wide receiver, but really strong production and I, I mean, it's real narrative street. But I like the fact like that he played quarterback. I think it gives you a different advantage out there. If you know how a quarterback is seeing the field, just the Julian Edelman narrative, a little bit, the Travis Kelsey narrative, the Muhammad Sanu narrative, a little bit, a little bit, just the more knowledge you can get about the entirety of the football team. I think Josh Jacobs narrative. Did you know that? Did really? He was a high school quarterback. Yeah. He was a high school quarterback. No, Montgomery was too. That is what I was thinking. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's why I didn't know. David Montgomery was done an interview the other day. It wasn't he talking to almond raw? He was talking almond raw. Was it that it? Yes. That that shows hilarious because almond raw and his brother are on it. And I would say about half the show is them just Tee Higgins mocking each other's teams and how they think their teams suck. But yes, Montgomery was like, they're like, what'd you throw for? And it was like, Oh, like 200 yards, you know, like you threw for like 200 yards. They were dunking on him. All right. So Mike, you got a wide receiver for us as well. Hungry for more. I have been pushed into this corner. So I will accept it with, uh, with hunger in my belly. It is T Hagan's current wide receiver. One is kind of a hungry for what's left. Yeah. Lots of opportunity. Lots of leftovers here. Yeah. That's a leftover situation. T Higgins has, if you've been with the show over the last few years, T Higgins has destroyed my soul in the league of record for multiple years. And with these injuries not being as productive as I think that he should be, because I do believe that he is a great player. But since, since his counterpart, Jomar Chase has come into the league. We've seen T without him five times. And in those five games, it is pure domination. It's from 10 points a game up to nearly 17. A climb of two receptions per game yardage jumps up almost, or no, over 40 yards per game. So it, the fact that he, that's a small sample of course, but it's, we're, we're backed into this situation. You are thumbs up in something. What do we, what do we got? Josh Jacobs. Oh, Jacob was high school dual threat quarterback. All right. Wow. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. We figured it out. I love it. I had moved on, but Al found it. So credit to Al still trying to make up for last year. I love player who has become professional running back was a dual threat at the quarterback position. Weird. Weird. How'd that happen? Pocket passer, David Montgomery. But like T Higgins to me had already been shaping up to be a good pick at ADP regardless with chase there. Regardless of everything that was like, Jamar Chase was still a top three pick. T Higgins was looking like a great value where he was going. You didn't have to overpay where it was, you know, the last couple of years, uh, last year, you know, Jalen Waddle and T Higgins ball being drafted really, really high expectations through the ceiling. And now they aren't there. And now you, now we have all this weird ambiguous stuff. Maybe you get a freebie week one. I mean, I think no matter what you probably do, cause the reports I saw were, it now it's Jamar Chase could be trending to not playing of, I'm going to hold out if I don't get a contract. But even if he gets the contract, what do you do if you're the bangles? I'll get him right in that starting lineup. I don't know. I don't know if you do, but I mean, as a full-time player, I don't know that he'll get his full allotment of snacks. That could be true. It could be, uh, there could be some consequences from that. But I'm sitting here just like, there was a time this off season was dominated by not paying T Higgins. And here we are with Jamar Chase. Yeah. Like this is not the first wide receiver that's been unhappy with this team. He just, Higgins had to sign his deal and he's going to be moving on after the year. But the bangles said, you know, Joe Burrow, we got you locked up and we're just going to play around with the wide receiver position. And it's a mess. There is a chart that if you mess around, you find out. Yeah. And I think that they're about, they're hitting the apex of the find out part. It's unfortunate. The bangles organization has, they've referred to that chart many times. The bangles organization, the bangles team as a whole, their ADP wise, I think they're, like they were one of my favorite, most undervalued. I think T is undervalued, which I still feel weird just calling them T. Um, I don't know why. I think, I think Burrow is undervalued. I personally think Zach Moss is undervalued. So I wanted to talk about it before, but I was so scared by the situation, the vibes and the fact that why aren't you paying your players? NFL News But to each their own. All right. That was hungry for more presented by Uber Eats, get almost almost anything for game day, like tomorrow, delivered with Uber Eats official on demand food delivery partner of the NFL order now. News and notes from around the league, presented by USA insurance. So we talked about Chase. That is the latest news that it's trending towards the possibility. And again, this is media negotiation tactic one on one, but it's getting, I mean, we got limited time and the news today is Chase might not play. Like he might not play this weekend or he's willing to not play. Like he's not willing to come back and, and take snaps without a deal. And so, you know, I, I'm with, I'm not going to not draft Jamar Chase. If it's a heads up in a full redraft between Amun Ra, I'm taking Amun Ra. You know, if it's, if you go further, if it's Jefferson or Chase, I'm taking Jefferson. And in our league of record, for, for what it's worth, the top two names on the board are AJ Brown and Jamar Chase. I do not, I think it's appropriate to take Brown over Chase, regardless of the contract situation. Yeah, I think that's fair. This is, we cannot be living in this world where like everything's been perfect for Jamar Chase, every single game of every single season. This is a player who, I mean, what's his highest fantasy finish at the position? I think it was a rookie year. He was five. He was five as a rookie, 12 and then 13. He's missed games two straight years. So, you know, we know what he's capable of, but there's really no reason you can't make a decision and say, I like AJ Brown more. No, I think when you're talking about those tier one guys, the AJ Brown, the Amon Ra, for me, I'm a little hesitant with the Justin Jefferson, but I get it cause he's, what about Garrett Wilson? Because I feel like that's in the same category. That's the tier, the Garrett Wilson, Alavage, London, those guys, I'm not willing to do that. Cause I, I, I can't imagine that I'm not getting, I would squint a little bit at Wilson. Chase on the field. I just feel like you, you know, if you miss one week, whatever, you're going to have players miss a couple of games through the season. It sucks that it's week one, but whatever. Okay. All right. We have news. Guess what guys? Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts is dealing with a hamstring injury. It was reported just now, but apparently it's been going on for a couple of weeks and hasn't affected him too much. I don't know how, I'm not a doctor, but like if my hamstring, it's either bugging me or it's not. It's not like, yeah, it's like 50%. I'm out here practicing with 50% hamstring level. I don't know how this works, but you don't want to hear this, especially for a player whose major excuse since his rookie, you know, quote, unquote, breakout thousand yards, but didn't get touchdowns. Did you just quote unquote a thousand yards? Yeah. Yeah. Because it wasn't a good season for fantasy. It's a fair, it's a fair quote. I'm, I'm, I'm going to approve. He had a thousand yards as a rookie. I'm improving. And two touchdowns, and two touchdowns. I'm just saying no one was happy. The people that drafted, the people that drafted Kyle pits as a rookie, I'm with you. If you finish it, if you finish it seven at tight end, it's not a breakout. No. Anyways, my point here is since that time, all the excuses have been injury related. Oh, it was the, it was the, was a PCL shoulders, knees and toes. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, he couldn't turn left or whichever direction cause he was coming back from that knee injury. The Zoolander. Yeah. And then, and now the hamstring. So it, it's hamstring. It's not what you want to hear. Yoo hoo. I was finally, despite all of those comments, Mike, uh-huh. I was finally ready to pull that trigger in some of these drafts because he does represent this tremendous upside with Kurt Cousins. But now I have pause again. Cause if you're dealing with a hamstring, what are you going to do? Two tight ends. You ready to go double tight end to start the year? I don't want that game. Oh, I, I get it. I'm just over here still blown away that a thousand yards as a rookie tight end is not a breakout for you guys. It's not a breakout fantasy football season. That's what I meant. It's, it's, so it is for you. You, you think that was a breakout season for the, has it broken out in fantasy football? No, in football. Don't that, we're a very fancy football show. I feel like also he is the second tight end ever as a rookie to hit a thousand yards. How many games did you play? 17. Okay. He got an extra, extra game. We don't care about that for the all time. As soon as we add a 17th game, everybody can do it. Whoa. You guys are just blowtorching. What if it's 18 games? Is it, you're going to give the next guy the same credit? Yeah. If he hits a thousand, oh my gosh. 50 games. Um, it's been a long time since those days. A long time. Three seasons. Let's do it on the field. Mr. Pitts. I don't know. Does it change your opinion of this hamstring injury, Mike? Uh, it makes me more concerned. Okay. March on Lloyd didn't practice after practicing a couple of days. They're giving him a day off. We don't know how they said it was part of the plan and that it was on time. Like it was, it was scheduled to miss. It was not a, it's good to hear that it wasn't like he went out, practiced hurt himself worse. It was, this was the plan of bringing him back when he's going to practice when he's not. I don't know that he plays week one. I don't think he does. I think he might miss a couple of weeks. And then the, the compounded news here is the other backup running back for Green Bay. Oh my man. You will Wilson was limited Tuesday with a hip injury. And now their dual threat quarterback is going to go hand. I believe Josh Jacobs has the most total touches at running back over the last three years. He has been the most workhorse capable and the team has come out and said, literally, yeah, that's what he does. He's fine. If we have to do that, we'll just do it. They have to do it over the first, over the first few weeks. Josh Jacobs will be very good. I don't know how he's not a workhorse. All of the running backs on this roster are injured, except for him. And if you tell me that the biggest threat to Josh Jacobs on a competitive playoff team is a currently injured rookie that has to acclimate and become a part of the offense, I think that's going to last a lot longer than a few weeks personally. Yeah, it was a late, late surge. I don't like the credible surge for Josh Jacobs. But I'm in. Yeah, I just, my worry is the second half of the year. Ty Chandler has been announced as the kick returner for the Vikings. That's not the fun one. The Bengals announced chase Brown as the kick returner for the for the Bengals. That's not the fun one. Blake Corum was listed as the primary kick returner. Oh my God. His value is over. You can't drift like we're all going to die. He's returning kicks. Oh man. Why even be on the team? You know what? I'd be a lot happier if it was flipped. If it was Kyren returning kicks and Corum returning punts because the kickoff is safe now. The kickoff is completely changed. So the punts, you got to get knocked out. Oh, you fair catch. Yeah. It's a fair catch. Have anybody else do it? Short hands. You trust his hands. Yeah. No, you know, that's not wrong. This is not even news. I mean, the rookie returning kicks is called NFL football. It's news in the fact that people wanted to react to they should have. They should have reacted to Kyren. Then you should react to this. No, not at all. He's a rookie. He's a backup. He should return kicks. You're starting running back. Okay. Let me ask you this. Okay. Name all the other starting workhorse running backs of return punts in the NFL. Go. I'll wait. I could do some research, but it's going to be low. Go ahead. What now? Now just to be clear, you give returning punts just to be clear. You do. You can't just say player. You have to say running back because yeah, because of Antonio Brown or those guys. Totally different. Yes. Starting running. Yes. It is different. How is it different because the workload on a workhorse running back, you're not given your wide receiver, you know, 22 carries a game. It's a big difference. That's why you've never seen it. This is a story because no one's ever done it. I can't think of other than you telling me Kyren who wasn't their starter when he did it, did it last year. I can't think of another running back. In fact, if you went through the top, the top five rounds of running backs, I don't think you're going to find one. We will see. Kyren returning kicks tells me it's a committee. That's what it is. It's going to be a committee. And I'm not just saying this to be like hot take you on the show. I traded Kyren away for Gibbs in our league of record after the news. And there are those out there that think that some people reacting to that news is absolutely crazy. And that's fine. Kyren may go out and by the way, he plays Gibbs Sunday night football week one. We're going to put it to the test. He may go out and just light the league on fire again. Or it could be a committee with Corum and Ronnie Rivers. So where have you moved Kyren rankings wise? Like in your head, where what tier is he in now? Now that he is guaranteed in the committee, what do you see as his output? I put Gibbs above him. I mean, Gibbs was already above him. Yeah. Gibbs was already above him for all three of our our records. I have Kyren one spot. Yeah, I was gonna say I had Kyren ahead before. So I was just telling you where I adjusted. Let me take a look. Let me get some other names. Yeah, go ahead. Travis Etienne. Etienne's above for sure. Let's go Derek Henry. I will in a standard go Henry. The others also go Kyren. Okay. Devon Etienne. I probably take the shot on Etienne. I have him one spot behind Etienne. I have Kyren at 10. So this that's where I moved him. Okay. He's at 10. He's behind Barkley. He's behind Cook. He's behind Etienne. Rashad White. One spot behind Kyren. One spot behind Kyren. Okay. Okay. Yeah, he's behind Cook for me. Okay. For me. So again, I'm not really happy this whole conversation came up. I really not because it's just too much airtime for the story that I didn't mean it to be like this sounds like I think Kyren is the worst player in the league. He's incredible. That's what I heard. He's number 10 on my rankings, but it did move him. It did change him because my problem with Gibbs, right, is a committee with Montgomery. Right. Your the hope of Kyren was you were going to get everything. Yes. Yes. Yes. What you got last year. And again, he didn't have Cooper cut for some of last year too. Like this is a competitive red zone situation. So we'll find out very, very soon how stupid or smart or in between we all are on that decision. It's it's tough. You're looking for one little tweak on as to who you're going to draft. But tight channel returning kicks. We knew he's behind Aaron Jones chase Brown returning kicks. We knew he's behind Zach Moss. So those are kind of they don't they don't it actually makes me interested in Zach Moss just in what like chase Brown and tight channel with the new kick returns. And those players being committee backs where you were drafting them already. It's kind of cool when you're guys going to get an opportunity. It might be one one touchdown extra a year. But if you are starting a committee back and they get one that's cool. Yeah. I'm fascinated to see because a lot of the coaches early this offseason they were talking about putting more important more talented players in that role because it's going to be a you know a field position. Yeah. We're gonna see the have heard rumors of course all these things. But like some teams are just saying screw it worse. We're gonna boot it in the end zone. And we're gonna give the other give the team the good touch back because I think it's the 35. Yeah. I mean they're I've heard teams say that we're just going to we're going to let all the other teams we're going to see what happens over the first few weeks. But we'll just start people 35 data that I've seen from preseason is that basically the shorter they kick it the better it is for the kicking team on field position. I don't know why maybe it's not going to the right guy. I was playing. They just get there. It's like the rules are it's a pretty complex play now because if you you know you have the area of the field where the ball has to hit and I was playing Madden with the boy and I didn't remember exactly how it works. And so what do you get a penalty. No no you don't get a penalty. But like I'm on the the the one or the two right returning the kick and we're going to let this thing roll right into the end zone. But because it hit in the zone and then goes in the end zone then you're on the 20. Yeah. Yeah. You're you're forced to return it. Yeah. It's going to be it's going to be weird. It will. And that's almost kind of been forgotten that that's what we're going to see debuted as well on Sunday in every game Thursday. Tomorrow. Yeah. Tomorrow. Okay. Is there other news you guys have anything else breaking. There's Jamar Chase looking no able to buy dinner tonight. Does he have what it takes still able to purchase dinner. Just no new contract. That was today's news and notes presented by USA insurance learn more at USA dot com slash insurance going to take a quick break and jump right into our matchup. Also with the news I you contract all the contract stuff the stuff that happened last year I am taking the formal approach from this point on that anything goes. Oh I love it. If it's within the NFL PA the CBA for the players and if the team can do it the ownership whatever if it's permissible it's it's I'm not going to look down upon it from either side. Everything is fair game and I completely agree with you. You I don't I don't judge the team for wanting to you know not pay guys and I don't judge the players for wanting to get paid. The one place though is that I still think stupid decisions are stupid decisions. And so for instance let's say after week one they give Jamar Chase everything you wanted everything you want. Yeah. It's just dumb. It's just you lost your player. Yeah. I will pass. Very valuable player that could have helped you. Maybe you lose that game. Maybe you miss the playoffs because of one loss like if you're going to pay him maybe do it so he can play. Well and that is stupid but also maybe Jamar Chase exercising those options that he has is the only way he got paid. I mean that is that's the given take of the situation that kind of you know I think players make mistakes. Lev Bell took a gamble didn't work out. No ruined his career. Yeah. But then teams have made mistakes too. And it's the the Bengals in particular like when you think of the Bengals organization I don't think they've gotten a lot better. They made a Super Bowl run and they have great players now but they historically have done they've pooped the bet on contracts for a ruined player relationships and then like completely different circumstance I get it. Well we and we didn't talk about it but but Patrick Sertan of the Denver Broncos same draft class as Jamar Chase same contract situation sitting behind him. They just made him the highest played paid DB in in history. It is. Yeah. I don't know. I think some of it has been teams with small windows to win with the players they got don't negotiate the way that teams building a new foundation do the Broncos Foundation DJ more foundation in Chicago. Yeah could be. It's weird. It's interesting to me. Brandon Iuk was super transparent about it. He came out when he's like you know not just said he made it more difficult than it needed to be at the end but he said a squeaky wheel has to be silent sometime then you have to know when to squeak. I was just trying to find the balance like that's got to be strange. It's got to be weird because you're putting your trust in your agent right. You're not just making every decision Ravens at Chiefs yourself but you're sitting at home wanting to be with your team going is this the right thing. Is this not the right thing. Is this the right thing and we'll get to talk about it every year forever. So there you go. Thursday night breakdown. I think Kyren's going to be good. I just want to you know OK he's going to be a good play. I mean it's not what I heard. No I know it's not he's a backup. The Baltimore rate. Oh my gosh I'm going to dunk so hard if it pans out that way and ignored if it doesn't. Baltimore at Kansas City. Jay going to alley you. Yep. Yeah. One of you throw it up together. The Draft King sportsbook line for the Thursday night football kickoff game Kansas City at home minus three. The over under is 46 and a half. OK. And we saw these teams face off and score a far fewer points in the FC title game. Kansas City 117 to 10 and they had the ball for the majority of that game. It was a ball control situation. It was that running game. Baltimore turned it over three times. Kansas City defense. We know how good it was last year. It's not the same but it should be very good. I'm happy to report that both teams have lost important defensive assets because you know that was that was part of the problem with with these two teams especially Kansas City last year was Snead. They're just walking down opposing ones. So happy he's gone because I want Patrick Mahomes to have to throw the ball a lot more. And even though I love Pacheco just doing the passing game. I got bad news though. The Ravens don't have any wide receiver ones so there's he wouldn't have been needed. No we get to see Derek Henry and Ravens purple. Very exciting. And we get to see what they flowers has for a sophomore season. Mark Andrews should be back out there. Yeah he was practicing. And you know so it's going to be very very exciting. Very good defenses last year like Jason said we're hoping that you know traditionally when you come out of the gate sometimes the offense takes a little while to get it going. We'll see what happens in this one you're not going to have Hollywood Brown making his debut on the other side in terms of the injuries but let's start at the quarterback position in week one Mahomes has finished as the quarterback for five fourteen two one and seven and averages three point three passing touchdowns in season openers. Yeah I mean this this is one of those where if you drafted Mahomes if you drafted Lamar obviously you're playing them there is no one you're going to start over them they were drafted to be started. It's just a matter of expectation and I do think that both of these quarterbacks have a good week one despite the you know last year's number one and number two in points per game defenses. Yeah I mean Lamar it's it was a lot to ask of him last year it was a tough game. Are we going to see the same. I mean this question gets brought up like to be fair it's been brought up with Josh Allen a million times about hitting a wall of the rushing totals being where you want them to be. Josh Allen is how old 28. Lamar is twenty seven point six. Do you think at some point we're going to see is 28. Yeah see the transition for Lamar to protecting himself or is that just going to be too integral to his game forever. I think it's probably going to be he's a different type. Yes he's a different type of runner. Really trying to take the damage that tries to protect himself. These are guys that go you know it's like that around the goal line they're smashing into defenders and running over them. You don't see you know Lamar's rushing touchdowns usually come from much further away and he's avoiding players. So I think he'll run a little later than some of those big body guys but certainly this year I'm not worried about it at all. I do think it might be a pretty difficult debut for Isaiah Pacheco if he's not involved in the passing game which he could be but we'll also see some on JP right now there. This is a very tough matchup last year. The Ravens were number one against the run and in the in that divisional game or sorry in that title game he was 24 for 68 not efficient scored a touchdown. You're obviously drafting him to start him. I'm not saying to do anything differently. We're not we're not spot starting our Isaiah Pacheco's anytime. It's just like Kyron like Kyron's week one matchup against the Lions the Lions have been shutting down running back. He might have a bad week one. Don't overreact from one matchup. I will. This game it it's fantastic because it's it's an easy game of your starting everybody is just what are the storylines that I am watching for. I mean I think I see I think Xavier Worthy is the big start sit question. Oh yeah I mean Xavier Worthy. Here's why you start Xavier Worthy. You want to call your shot and you want to see it on the first chance you have to watch football. If that is not the reason you're starting him I would just you know you draft him probably as one of your top three wide receivers in which case you know let let the game much play out much different player but I can tell you from personal experience last year of Travis Kelsey missing week one and Sky Moore then looking like a really good play and he wasn't he was actually he was very detrimental to your team whenever you started him so it's if I I wouldn't be trying I'm not forcing Worthy into the lineup but the storylines I'm looking for does Rishi Rice keep that target share up what it like how involved is Pacheco in the passing game that's it's so huge if and especially if week one like some odd JP Ryan who just got onto this team is all this untaken a bunch of third down snaps you know getting somehow in the when they're on a passing attack drive P. Ryan's getting a bunch of snaps that would be pretty devastating and then on the other side what's going to go on here with Mark Andrews and Isaiah likely of I don't think it's been a blaring siren from what's been what we're hearing from the Ravens but there's some murmurs of Isaiah likely might actually be the third weapon for this team of Andrews and flowers their roles are secured Bateman every single time they talked about Bateman having a great day he got injured then he got hurt like oh Bateman's finally back oh what a what a day of practice and Richard Bateman is hurt maybe that's their fault at this point it's like it's a curse like stop talking nice about Bateman say some say some mean stuff about him get him out on the field break his spirit pull your best Dennis Allen I think likely is a very very good player I do I do too I think he should be their third primary target in this offense and I don't think that comes at the expense of a Mark Andrews injury they can play this is a team that will play with a lot of two Titan sets and he should be more involved um Titans generally have a little bit longer peak I'm trying to think of how Andrews athletic peak how long that's going to last I think but he's got some time he's almost 29 he's fine but at tight end you know I think you're going to be okay his next gen stats of yards per separation I believe he was number one last year he was really good the injury makes us forget and makes us frustrated because yeah it seems like it's every year but please do not forget when Andrews is on the field he is as good a fantasy tight end as there is he's been the tight end to the first six weeks for three straight years correct so that's true Mike the storylines there how much they use Xavier worthy how much the tight ends get on the field together and then you know Zay flowers is a good start in this game if you had Zay flowers and rushy rice I could see a situation where you those are literally your flex options or your last wide receiver option if you had to start one of this one of them in this game right rice yeah I would as well home favored Derek Henry how much work is he going to get what is it going to look like for the the Ravens in terms of what Henry was used to in Tennessee and in what it looks like around the goal line is also going to be interesting to watch but from a start standpoint you're starting the running backs the quarterbacks rice and flowers Andrews and Kelsey and then you're just thinking about that flex option for Xavier worthy and they gave us a they gave us a treat here yeah oh yeah I see possible chance of thunderstorms please don't have delays okay I'm gonna be waiting all day for this don't don't delay this game this is the first time we've done our League of Record draft and then gone straight into week one yeah we're drafting tomorrow all together and then watching the game that just means and I'm gonna just put this out there that means you might want to watch tomorrow show on YouTube I'm just gonna I'm just gonna let you know because we're going straight from recording this show into our draft and I'm not gonna change clothes of it oh okay that's all I know where you were going so you got like a king robe outfit coming all right I don't know I don't know what I got coming anything else you want to talk about in the Thursday night preview nope we'll take a quick break answer some questions all right let's jump into the mailbag mailbag Mailbag all right well um we will we have a voicemail question now we do all right let's jump in hey ballers this is rodie at Arkansas uh so I took Bijon in the first and then Drake London Rostering double Falcons falls to me in the middle of the fourth do I try to trade one of those or do I go all in on a fountain dolphin with Kirk Cousins going off the Achilles appreciate it love the show later so question is Bijon was drafting the first Drake London fell to the fourth which is unbelievable value that's not going all in on Drake no if you if he falls to you no and normally in this studio if you talk about a double Falcon that's a clog toilet problem right like that is a situation in double Falcon would be maybe you're calling a doctor it's too much to wipe there's it's it's it's too that's at least a two roller four rolls yeah but but yes here is Falcon how does that make you feel knowing that you and your name on this show is basically a turn in him I wear it as a badge of honor oh man that's good he probably has to uh he probably has to go um but that's fine no I would I'd let that play out it's right like if Kyle Pitts this hamstring injury is if it is a factor at least over the first portion of the season Drake London Drake London should be so good let me he should be so good I have a question I'm gonna submit my own mailbag question because I think I need to hear your perspective on it okay how long how many games does it take for a player that has not been you know given the uh whatever whatever the expression of the crown yeah who is not like Drake London Garrett Wilson um these players that we want and Chris Olave we want and expect them to take a step forward we need them to be in the upper echelon and we want to give them that you know the reason you hesitate about drafting Drake London a little bit is because you haven't seen that how many games does it take for you to believe that you've got the thing that you're hoping for I wrote my answer because one way to believe in it in a positive way correct like how many games of Drake London success till I fully believe until you say I he is what we thought he was versus I just had a good like I mean I looked at the uh what was it um in our last matchup like you talked about Skymore having a big first game like you might have believed after one game Skymore was a good play I believe talked about him not yeah oh you said he did yeah oh got you I that was the like don't play where's the week one the point is is there's lots of players that have big week one yes Sammy Watkins Sammy Watkins would come out and annihilate week one and you're like I got that dude and then he's like gotcha you guys remember what Skymore's line was Skymore's line from last year week one with no Travis Kelsey is it a zero burger no okay it is a zero reception burger and one carry for four yards all right so you guys wrote down I wrote down how many games it takes I wrote down my answer for both directions for me to conclude that he is he he is I just went positive I just and then how many it would take for me to go I'm out and I I'm going to take the L and I'm not going to keep trying what are your answers for yes my answer is one oh I went now is that because of priors though I'm talking about neutral like I went NBA gym you're saying one good Drake London game and you've confirmed that he's good because he had those last year I'm saying that if he comes out in week one I mean this really is the question for Drake London specifically if he comes out week one and has 12 targets it has one of the big games he's had before I will be an early actor or believer I will believe right off the bat now that is ironically it's on the heels of saying don't always do that and I I wouldn't always do that but this is a situation where we are waiting to see the target market share of Kirk Cousins the health of Kirk Cousins and so if he comes out and has a big week one I'm going to I'm going to believe that that doesn't mean he's going to be consistent every week is going to be great but at the end of the year he's going to be a top 10 water seeper so last year the one that would have been the pull the rug out name was Calvin Ridley because he came out he was the wide receiver six in week one and had a an incredible market share and eight catches 11 targets that one didn't end up where you want it if you remember it wasn't even week one it was like first quarter maybe it was first half but he just started on nuclear fire the first couple drives were all Calvin Ridley and it was like oh my gosh yeah we're you know if you were wrong you were wrong and and he's certainly disappeared from that point for a while you know who was the the running back three and the running back five in week one last year if you want to blast from the past I won't remember well you will after I say it Austin Eckler was number three yeah yeah and the body shots it's not too it's too early to give up Tony Pollard was the running back five after week one last year a lot of a lot of priors I don't remember 14 for 72 in week one I remember watching his utilization week one going holy crap we'll like what was the what was your answer three games if I see three games that are productive then I will be in it I'm with you three three sounds good and then to actually be out it would you know it would take a good amount because it if it doesn't happen week one don't freak out there's a brand new situation for there's a new coach there's a new offense it's a new quarterback like yeah it might take a little bit I had four games to be out okay give him a month all right we're looking at the number one most Jerome Ford Start/Sit Questions search player on the website for our start sit tool which is back up there so you can plug in a couple players see we were we where we would have them ranked who you should start and sit and it shows you a matchup breakdown but the number one search player is Jerome Ford right now for week one because where he's going in drafts is normally behind the auto start area so I'm going to give you three Jerome Ford week one start sit okay Jerome Ford's playing Dallas yep they are at home I believe right I'm pretty sure Dallas on the road yes that is correct Ford or Ramon Dre at Cincinnati Ford or Ramon Dre I will go Ramon Dre I will play for I'll go Ramon Dre there Ford or Juventay Williams at Seattle I'll go for there I will go I'll say for I'll take I think I'll go Juventay Ford or David Montgomery Sunday night football against the Rams I want that game give me David Montgomery okay got a little bit of uh oh that one is really hard see the big news on Jimmy or Gibbs he's 98 to 100 percent better so probably like just 99 percent yeah he said 98 or 100 I'm just gonna take I just thought that was the most interesting answer also you have I'm totally 100% well I'm not 100 but like 98 so close man but I'm not not there yet it could be there I might be there but I'm so he's like one good sleep away from fully recovering you have David Montgomery in League of Record Jason I'm sure you're hoping for that game Mike what was your answer on that one my answer was that one is really hard ah I think I think I'm playing forward and then one flex question Jerome Ford against uh Dallas or JSN against Denver uh JSN against uh in a full PPR it's it's funny because you've got Sir Tan who's probably gonna be more focused towards that guy Matt Gaff yeah I think I go JSN there uh I would be on the watch for the Tyler Lockett news just make sure that like like if Tyler Lockett if there's there's still some questions about is he fully healthy as of right now it seems like he's fully ready to go and then it was better and rest things could happen throughout the week that might make it easy now if it's a difficult question what's your answer it as in as in there's nothing there it's just everyone's full go everyone like the question yeah well the the questions always have context but they also have answers what was your answer um oh that's a great that's a great point Mike that's the best way to answer on this show yes what was your answer that you haven't given because I didn't hear it Ford Ford country okay I think afford there too um okay uh this is a good reminder a PSA if you will we all have had uh times in our lives where our parents told us to do something and we just didn't do it and so you know teenagers I talk to my teenager all the time he doesn't listen no I try I have advice for him I've lived life right you know what I mean he I've done all the years he's done and I was as dumb as he can sometimes be um not always but sometimes it goes in one ear and out the other and that's what probably this advice right here is going to be but I'm gonna try it anyway okay from from the dad of the show all right please foot clan fancy football players of the world do your best not to lose your mind on week one do your best not to react to such a great degree what did he say that you lose your mind if DK McCabbe gets shut down by Sir Tan on week one his season's not over and he wasn't the worst pick you've ever made okay huh and if Kyron struggles against the defensive front despite my priors uh he's not the worst player that's ever played what I know is that we will know exactly that process who the best player this season will be after week one and who and it whatever happens week one just copy paste the rest of the season where this is year 10 and I've yet to see anybody follow this advice but I'm gonna try it again you know what I mean the heart wants to try to calm down maybe what you need to do I lost I lost week one last year by the way I lost week one right I'm the champion of the league Jason still remember that last part I'm still I can't hear you um must be a microphone problem or something um I I had a point I forgot it uh yeah be honest okay yeah no that's uh that's okay um um we'll wrap it up today we got more matchup previews Thursday and Friday because we've got football this week boys and then join the foot.com come check out our community all the in season tools head over there all right I'm excited tomorrow YouTube that's all I'm saying just come hang out see you tomorrow everybody goodbye all right thank you for listening to another episode of the fantasy footballers podcast join our fantasy football community on jointhefoot.com and follow us on twitter at the FF ballers