Fantasy Time Machine + Kyren Siren! | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1622

Intro Great Scott! If my calculations are correct, you are listening to this before your fantasy football drafts have taken place. I've been to the future, and those that followed the advice from the fantasy footballers' ultimate draft kit had a spectacular season and with certain many victories. It's almost as if Biff had given each of them a copy of Greatest Sports Almanac. I'd highly recommend heading over to www.ultimatedraftkit.com without any further delay. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers' Podcast with your hosts Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, Mike Wright. Welcome in! Wednesday, August 28th, Jason Moore is here. Mike, the fantasy hitman, I'm Andy Holloway. We're ready for a show. Where we're going, we don't need roads. No, we've got a fantasy time machine episode today. Great Scott! Some, this is a- That s. It's just, Scott. This is one of my favorite episodes because we, you know, we get to prognosticate. We get to talk about players that were huge surprises last year and try to see, you know, that's the fun part of fantasy. But people want it to play out according to Chalk and the ADP and how everybody thinks about every player because it feels unjust. You did the work and you did the research and you want it to just work out exactly as it says on paper. But if it did, this would not be fun. No, and the ones who win are the ones who grabbed the guys that didn't work out due to ADP and not poorly, but, you know, they're the ones that drafted Puka in the last round. And you got to find the windows and the things, like I, you know, spoiler I know on today's episode we're talking about, you know, last year's Rashad White. But that was a six-round pick who was like, how did he volume his way to being a really, really good fantasy asset and taking a look at the guys who have things in common. I think that I love this episode. I think it's really valuable. It is. It's going to be fun. 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My voice is still recuperating, but it is a pleasure to hear the shark and not be the one doing the shark. It was it was a joy. Thank you, Mike. You're welcome. Yeah. You there's a our I think our ex account posted a picture of Jason breaking his voice like the moment that it happened. Yeah. He was just on this show saying he had no idea what happened. I think we know when could it possibly have happened. And yet we have a photo. We can hear your voice going away in a photograph. It's true if you've seen it. So join there's over 12,000 of you in there so far megalovol.com and you can win a spot in the listener league win an ultimate foot clan membership for life and you have a chance to join before the drafts begin August 31st through September 4th. That is megalovol.com. Hungry For More All right. Let's jump in. Welcome to hungry for more presented by Uber Eads. Well, I am excited to kick off this segment hungry for more candidates. I'm going Michael Wilson to go with Michael Wilson wide receiver for the Arizona Cardinals. I'm going to go a little deeper here, but I like it. The Cardinals offense is one that you know Mike has Kyler Murray as a my guy. The Cardinals spent some or spent some money picking up Zay Jones. Zay Jones has been suspended and Michael Wilson with it was a third round pick who did flash last year. The Cardinals had no receiving options. So Michael Wilson received, you know, the predominant coverage by defenses in this offense and he only had half a season with Kyler Murray. So he had some big games. He had a seven for 76 and two game against San Francisco. He's going to get a chance to start outside with Kyler Murray and you finally have another receiver and Marvin Harrison that's going to get the you know the lion's share of the coverage. So do I think Michael Wilson is you know T Higgins not yet, but he's going to have opportunities that he has not had before and a sophomore season. This is when players that showed something as a rookie have an opportunity to break it. It's really funny the fact that you know second year wide receivers are just a great bet and fantasy. They are one of the you know easiest layup picks to find value against their ADP and Michael Wilson. I think because of Marvin Harrison Jr. coming in. It's because of also McBride. Sure. I mean, but as in the wide receiver core, especially with Zay Jones now being suspended, he is the number two wide receiver on this team. He'll be there, I believe in two wide receiver sets as a year to receive before what should be a good offense. A terrible defense. Yeah. The Cardinals have no pass rush. They I don't believe that they can go four quarters. They're actually considering starting thin air. Yeah. Instead of a defensive end. Yeah, they're going to go 10 on 11. It might bring more pressure. Yeah. The Cardinals drafted Darius Robinson with their first round pick. He is injured. I think he's going to miss a little bit of time at least. Yeah. So yeah, they're going to have to throw the ball a lot. Josh Jacobs I it's your turn, Jason. Okay. Dude, I'm hungry for more. Josh Jacobs, baby. I never doubted him. Everything I said this offseason was a long con. So there's a lot of news. In fact, today on the news segment, I can't wait to discuss a big breaking hullabaloo. Yeah, you can say it now. Well, we'll talk about the Kyren Punt returner later. But for now, Josh Jacobs news is news that is actually important and there's nothing that can be done about it. So I have spent the offseason worried about his efficiency a little bit, but more worried about the fact that the floor always uses a committee. That's what he wants. That's what he says. That's what he he says it so confidently like, guys, you know my system. I don't like putting a workhorse back out there, but guess what? He don't have no choice no more. Like to start this season, you have Emmanuel Wilson as the backup running back. Well, let's break that news. A.J. Dillon was put on season ending injured reserve. That is a headline that's part of this story that nobody knows yet. Yeah. Also part of it. Reportedly, Marshawn Lloyd was going to go onto the IR and miss four games. That was retracted. So he he has avoided the IR. I mean, obviously, Lloyd is still dealing with a hamstring injury if they were even considering that, but they're not going to use. Lloyd won't be ready for week one. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. They're not going to put Lloyd on the IR and use a designation to return. They're just going to keep them on the they're just they're not going to do anything with him, but he will miss time. Yeah. Put it this way. Let's say we're heading into week two of the NFL season and week one started the way that we we we thought this was a three way backfield committee. Everyone was healthy and in week one, A.J. Dillon goes down to a season ending injury and Marshawn Lloyd gets injured for at least like two or three weeks. We know he's going to miss a chunk of time. I mean, Josh Jacobs, you know, Skyrockets, there's just not the choice to have a true committee. So, you know, and the Packers are a great offense. They're due for rushing touchdown upside and Josh Jacobs has been on the every other year plan. You know what I mean? Good year, bad year, good year, bad year. He's coming off the bad year. Have you moved him so much in your draft rankings? Like, are you taking him ahead of Pacheco now? I haven't gotten to that point because I don't think this will be a season long thing and I still worry and I love Pacheco, but I think it's fair to put him in that tier. He is on a great offense projects right now to have a lot of volume. I'm a player that people are questioning the workhorse back whereas Jacobs is falling into the workhorse back. Yeah, I mean, I've still got Kyron ahead. Kyron to me is where he's been the whole off season, which is my running back five. He's like what we say, stay stoned. Well, no, I mean, I think there's news that you change on and this is news I'm changing on. I've moved Josh Jacobs up tremendously when we get to the news and talk more about the one line about a punt return. They just like nothing has changed. This is, we'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. We have different opinions. We're still hungry. Mike, hungry for more. Jordan Mason Jordan Mason because this was huge news from yesterday as well. Well, all the cuts were going on. Elijah Mitchell, the backup for years for the San Francisco 49ers was put on a season ending IR. He had a hamstring injury. I read that it wasn't really widely reported, but then he'd like re aggravated it. That was kind of what turned into this. We got to shut him down. We got to make some decisions here on top of that. JP Jordan Mason Pontchies out here with the elite name, but he has been, he's been playing fantastic. He has been a, like he's always been a speedster. He's, if you've watched the preseason games, he looks like he fits the scheme perfectly. We've, we haven't seen him in a ton of real life game action, but last year against Dallas, you know, he was mopping up 10 for 69 and a touchdown. It's a good game. It's the backup for Christian McCaffrey. I should say the backup for San Francisco has always had huge fantasy value. And Mason, I think is, he's looked so good. I think that he has looked tremendous and he is now like Blake Corum in a range where if I'm in a 12th teamer, he's, he's in consideration to, to draft and sit on my bench as an upside play. All right. That was hungry for more presented by Uber eats, get almost almost anything for NFL News game day delivered with Uber eats, official on demand food delivery partner of the NFL order now. News and notes from around the league presented by us a insurance. Kyren Williams All right. Now we can talk about the Kyren Williams blurb from yesterday that is what I think is scaring some fantasy, but it is scaring fantasy players. That is, that is a factual statement because his ADP has dropped in certain places. The Rams head coach, Sean McVay said running back Kyren Williams will be their team's punt returner. We generally, generally speaking, not just isolated to the Rams, generally when you find out a player is going to be involved in special teams, you cringe as a, as a fantasy manager because you just don't want that opportunity to be injured. It's another, it's normally something reserved for players that you are protecting. Damian Pierce last year being named the kick returner comes to mind where it was like, Oh, what give Antonio Gibson and happened to. Yeah. So this news put some fear into fantasy players. Now I am a Kyren Williams manager. I spent an off season trading for him in our league of record, making a calculated decision. And as much as I'd love to say that our home rosters never bias or impact the way we view a player, we're human beings and sometimes, you know, it's chicken or egg, right? You trade for the player because of what you believe and you believe in the player. And so you go trade for them and they work together. And look, I, I am on the record as being concerned, not because of one piece of news from Sean McVeigh, but because the more like eventually, like if you're dressing up for Halloween and you're going to dress up as a duck, like, I need a bill. Yeah. But like, you know, maybe you put the shoes on, I need a tail. You put the shoes on first. You put the tail on. The shoes. Whatever you put on parts of the costume and eventually, Ducks wear shoes. Eventually a costume. I've never seen it, Jason. I've never seen a duck with shoes. You're not a duck. You don't become a duck on Halloween, Jason. Oh, okay. You do become a cut. You wear a costume of a duck. Right. I just thought I had like a webbed foot. So I mean, whatever, man, you, you see some weird ducks out there. How would you put it on? How would you put your webbed foot on? I'd slide my foot into the webbed foot. Oh, okay. So it's like a chew. Yeah. Okay. Listen, eventually you put the bill on and you are a duck is my point. And this has been an off season where I started with concerns. Blake Corm is my favorite. He was my favorite running back coming out of college in Michigan. He has done it all. I have tremendous confidence in the Rams and who they draft and what they believe they can do in the offense. Blake Corm has moved from the second team to the first team. Sean McVeigh has been, you know, you talk about Doug Pearson trying to say that Travis Etienne needs a break. Like they've never done that. Sean McVeigh has said it so many times and really needs that for Kyron Williams, who did get hurt. And now you're making him your punt return. So for me, this is a downgrade because I went from, in my head, a 90, 95% chance of being a workhorseback at the beginning of the off season to the draft happening to practice happening. And now he looks like a duck. And so now it's 80% or 70%. And I want the workload chance. Not that he has to have it to be amazing. But Jason is on the opposite side. I want to give him the floor. Well, before we give him the floor, I want to hear what, what does that mean to you? Like where has it like Jamir Gibbs? I would take Gibbs over Jacobs. I would be thinking hard about Jacobs. Yeah. Etn. Yep. Okay. Take one. Take one. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So you, you, I would take him above. You moved him down. I would take him above Pacheco. Okay. Still, but, but Jason is not concerned at all. So I want to give the other side. And I am more interested in Jason being right here. That is much better for my team. I don't want to dress up like a duck. So when, when Blake Corm was drafted, it definitely affected things. It affected the outlook of Kyron Williams. But what it didn't do is it didn't say, oh, they're in a committee now. Like as in, he's not the primary ball carry. I don't expect, I don't want genuinely, I don't want him to be on the field 93% of the time. Last year, he was the only player at 20 fantasy points or more per game and half PPR along with Christian McCaffrey. If you take five opportunities away, every game from Kyron, and then you get 17 games out of it, that is way better for fantasy. So when Blake Corm came, I mean, I've got Blake Corm with 136 carries this year. I have it being a shared opportunity. However, Kyron Williams is the main guy. And if you listen to the whole quote, talking about how this was a question about releasing a certain player and he just mentioned, he said, yeah, Kyron's our punt returner. And now we've got Blake Corm and we've got Ronnie Rivers where if Kyron needs a spell, he can get it. I see that as a good thing for him, but I don't see this as new information. We've known that they drafted Blake Corm for months. We've known that he's been having run with the ones for a while. Kyron Williams, I don't know if you remember this last year when he started so hot on fire. He was their punt returner last week's one through three weeks, one through three when he's still got a lot of work. Why they stop Cooper cup was there because they didn't have any backups. They Kyron. The thing is, is I'm not saying that Kyron is going to get the insane workload he got last year, but I haven't been saying that at all since they drafted Corm. I've been saying he is their main running back and he's going to be really, really valuable for fantasy. I still believe that. You know, Cooper cup was their full season punt returner when he was the offensive player of the year in the triple crown award winner. This isn't a role. I don't think McVay looks at this like, like, well, I can't use him as a running back now. This is like, I want him to have more opportunities to impact the game. And so I, I just think it's overreact. I just drafted him in the fourth round of a real draft. It was super flex. So it was a little, you know, you wouldn't have expected him to be up where it was, but I was happy to grab him in the fourth. If he, if he drops to being the running back 10, 11, 12, I'll scoop him up everywhere. I'm mostly worried that he's going to miss drives, not plays. He will, he will because McVay, which means he's going to miss touchdown opportunity. Yeah. I mean, I will say this, like McVay, all they play fast. They, the reason that he's always had a workhorse, a guy that, you know, whether it was girly or whether for a small stretch as it was cam makers or whether it was Darryl Henderson, he employs a back that stays on the field for all three downs. And I, and that is what quorum is quorum can come in and give him relief and play drives. I agree that we're kind of saying the same thing. The only difference is I don't think that's just for me. Yeah. I get what you're saying. And I'm not, look, this is not saying one of us believes Kyren's a top five back in the other beliefs. He's, you know, shouldn't be drafted. That's insane. Like Kyren is very highly ranked, but when you invest in Kyren, you want more security and the punt return thing gives me a little bit of fear. And Ronnie Rivers is healthy again. And I don't ignore him. The team loves him. The team was using him even with Kyren on the field before he got hurt. So it'll, it'll be interesting. I just, I want to, I want to believe that Kyren can finish number one. I do not believe that anymore. That's the difference. That's the difference. That's fair. Antonio Brown returned 187 punts. Yeah. But wide receivers are different to me. Genuinely. There's a lot of them that return kicks. I mean, that's happened a lot in the past. Not as many running back. I, I moved Kyren down. What if CMC was named the punt returner tomorrow? That would put some fear in you. If I wouldn't know, I wouldn't move Christian McCaffrey at all. I, I, I, I, I, I bumped Kyren down slightly. I don't even know if he actually like the, the market share that moved, I don't know if that moved him in my rankings overall, but it's a, this is an exciting moment. Cause this feels like a pivotal piece of draft changing news that we're going to look back on and go, man, are we didn't react enough to the punter news or you're going to say, look at all those idiots who overreacted to the punt return news. I think it is, it will be an apex moment. This is not a Kyren siren. Nice. I love it. Uh, Jamar Chase, Mike, he's, uh, Zach Taylor says he's confident he will play in week one. That's right. That's right. Pretty important. Well, it, well, this, I mean, this is, this is actually fair to report on because we had, you know, whispers like growing louder and louder by the moment of Jamar Chase won't step on a field until he gets his contract extension. His leverage situation is not like Brandon Iukes where, uh, Jamar Chase has two more years that the, the Cincinnati Bengals have the rights to him to be on the team. So the, and it's been really wishy washy, uh, comments from Taylor and the most recent ones it was, it was far more of a, no, I've been, Jamar Chase is going to be there in week one. Uh, Kendry Miller is going to start on the IR for the saints while, I don't know if you saw this Jason Dennis Allen, uh, one of your biggest enemies. I just love them, man. He came out and went on a full on, I love Taysum Hill rant yesterday. I don't know if you got to follow that. It was like, I don't know if you've ever seen a player like this. Nobody's like him in the history of the NFL. He does everything. He's amazing. He does my taxes. He did it. It was a whole bunch of that. Did you see when he's nothing like Kendry Miller, I believe is what he said. Did you see he, he tried to have Taysum Hill be the, the, the Mike linebacker, he, uh, back when, um, is this, is this real? No, no, he talked about it. Honestly, I think it was on the K Adams show, um, like a week or two ago. He, he wanted to use him on defense, but he wasn't the head coach and even in that, he wants Taysum to be the OC. He couldn't, I'll bet he couldn't even name Sean Peyton. He's like, he's like, you know, the head coach wanted, I'm like, I don't know. I don't like anything. I am, the IR is not surprising. I am a little bit surprised that they didn't just shut him down the way that Dennis Allen hates him. So you're not coming back, dude. We'll see you next year. Dalvin Cook was signed to the practice squad for the Cowboys who released Roy Freeman and Malik Davis. Tom Pelicero is so excited. Mike, Mike, so excited. Mike is so bent out of shape over Tom Pelicero. Because the tweets are out of control. It's fine. I think he's on the take, man. It's an agent tweet, man. That's why, that's why I'm saying it's so ridiculous that look, this is a, this is an NFL reporter who just called Dalvin Cook a marquee signing. Do you know how they get their insights and their tips and their tricks? They work with agents and they grease the wheels. If you were running that account, you would, you would copy paste the same tweet cause that's what he did. I'm going to take that money. Yeah. Look, I'm not an ethical man. I'm going to take that money like Tom. Oh man, you're going to hear from him. I don't think he took money. I think he's just, you know, you rub my back. I rub yours type of thing. Yeah. It, so the signing is, look, they, they cut Roy's Freeman yesterday. If you missed that during, during the trim down, Dalvin will go into the practice squad. Well, I don't know if he makes it onto the active roster at any point. If this, like, if you're not in on my Rico, Datal tick, I don't blame you. It's, it's a bold prediction. It's, it's a hotter take, but Dalvin Cook should not, if you were in, Dalvin Cook should not be pushing you out. All right. Just really quickly, cause we got to get, get through the news here. Trace Sermon, still the backup for JTT, Evan Holt was waved. Yeah. Was waved. The Browns released the Antiforman, resulting in a number of texts or sorry, tweets at me. But the rumor is that he's going to be returning. I brought the Antiforman up in a hungry for more segment during the preseason when he had a pretty good game. We'll see if he's back on the roster. If you're a four year vet or, or more than you don't go through the waiver system, you're a free agent to sign anywhere. So this could very easily be a situation where they talk to him, say, Hey, we're going to resign you. It's accounting. They only have two active running backs on the roster right now. You can't go into the season like that. And then Odell Beckham is on the IR to begin the pup. He's on the pup, on the pup to begin with him. Patrick. Yeah. Sign him with the lions. Yeah. Practice squad guy. He'll work his way down. He'll start there. But I mean, it's hard when you've been hurt that many years in a row, like to make an impact, but they got opportunity there for sure. That was today's news and notes presented by USA insurance learn more at USA.com slash insurance back with the fantasy time machine in a moment. All right, this just in Kyren Williams is now he's actually bringing the water bottles to the other running backs. Oh no. Oh no. Fantasy Time Machine What that means to you? Does that that then now that's a needle mover. Yeah. Now you're changing for sure. Marty, you've got to come back with me. Where? Back to the future. Oh, this is my favorite Finding 2024’s Rachaad White show. Good work, Mike. Incredible. Incredible creativity. Hey, man, sometimes you got to just pay homage. Yeah, no, it's a greatness. Indeed. All right. We're looking at the fantasy time machine segment here looking first to find 2024's version of Rashad White. He was a sixth round pick, drafted RB 24 and was arguably the second most valuable player in fantasy at the running back position from week seven on that is a majority of the season. That was 22 opportunities a game. He was the RB two and that was incredible. He was a really good pass catcher. You cannot argue efficiency on the ground. You can argue he was just dynamic through the air. He would make the first man miss. He ran the most routes among running backs, fourth most receptions, third most fantasy, or sorry, receiving yards. So we're looking for a dead zone running back who could make his way into being an RB one for fantasy. I'll kick it. I'll kick us off because mine is the highest drafted, but he's still in the fifth round, which I think is a great value. When I think about Rashad White, I think about an inefficient player who PPR'd his way to real greatness. And I genuinely believe that's what happens with Alvin Camara this year. Alvin Camara is not going to be a super efficient player at this point in his career, not for this system. Derek Carr just giving him the ball right over the line, right in front of a linebacker over and over and over. That being said, from weeks four through 15, remember he started the season suspended last year. He was, he was the running back to in total fantasy points scored. And it was on the same basis of just nonstop check downs. Now you have Kendray Miller, who is a nonfactor, at least to start the season. And Jamal Williams, no matter how much the team loves him, he, he's wonderful. Love the dude. He's done. He's not, he doesn't have much left to give. So I really think you're just going to have nonstop volume for Camara. And they don't really have a great receiving core. You know, you're talking about Chris Olave. One of the reasons I like Chris Olave a lot this year. Shahid I was coming after you, man. Yeah, I know Shahid, this, this will be the year. But Camara is going to be their number two target, I believe in this offense. And if that's the case, you're just going to have pure volume in the fifth round for a player who it doesn't matter if it's pretty, don't watch the Saints games. I try not to. Yeah, no, I mean, Camara showed it last year already that he can do that. Like this is not a player that we haven't seen it from. Like he was an inefficient dominator in fantasy from weeks four through 15 last year. So I hate where I have Camara ranked. No one has the courage to move him where they really, where they really is. I've got him at running back nine and it feels. Oh, I hate where you have. I take it back. You've got courage. I hate where I have him ranked as well. But I, I go and I look at the numbers. I'm just like, I think that's going to happen. I'm not drafting him as the running back nine. He's in the fifth round. I'm going to wait and get value. But I, I do think at the end of this year, he's probably a low end RB one on the back of, I mean, if you're in a PPR or a half PPR league, not in standard. It's Tony Pollard for me. Last year was all the failed expectations. This year he's the RB 26, which is right around where Rashad White was drafted. He is, to me, this is a Deandre Swift, Kenny Gainwell situation. I know people like Tajais Spears. I think Pollard is the better player. He played every snap of the Titans first drive. He's going to be the goal line back. That's what Swift did. Like you can show respect to the incumbent, which is exactly what Philadelphia did. They said, Kenny Gainwell was here. Deandre Swift is the new guy we gave the contract to. We're going to say you're a starter. And then the, then on the field, Kenny Gainwell couldn't do enough to, to, you know, hold off Deandre Swift. That's the exact situation I expect in Tennessee. I think Tony Pollard is the better running back. I think the offense is better than people think. And I think that you're going to see it over time. So when you look at a player who, you know, lets you down being drafted in the first round last year, why don't you try the seventh round out? That might be a lot better situation. I'm going to go with Javante Williams. I think he fits the mold exactly of what we were watching about Rashad White last year. Javante was very inefficient this past year. And yet the volume was, was still way up. Now you have Samaj P Ron, P Ron, Samaj P Ron and his 56 targets going away from this system. Yes. Julio McLaughlin will 100% see more action. He will see an uptick. But I think that Javante is going to just purely volume his way there. And you're hoping, you're hoping that because he has had another full off season to rehab, strength and recover from the knee injury that it is not as bad as it was last year. I think it's a fair assumption because Samaj P Ron has been released from the Denver Batfield. So you're talking about a player that was hand picked by coach Payton versus a player that was drafted before he was there. And yet Javante is still around in number one and people are just scared. He had 58 targets Finding 2024’s Jordan Love last year. I mean, like there is a chance that that actually goes up. All right, let's find 2024 is Jordan Love. Jordan Love was the quarterback 26 last year. So this was like undrafted, unproven, young. He ends up with 32 passing touchdowns. He has another four on the ground completely left for dead and instead ends up a top 10 quarterback on a top 10 office. Well, you got James. Well, I will say this. I like Andy's answer, probably the best of the three of ours. This one, my answer is not a young guy that's been left for dead. Obviously he is later in his career, but Matthew Stafford, when I look at Jordan Love, who made him great was he had all these weapons to throw the ball to and, you know, it was like the touchdowns came for Jordan Love. And we've seen Matthew Stafford be a great touchdown thrower. Now as a Ram, especially this last year, Kyron was the machine on the ground. The touchdowns, you know, he was great through the 20s. And then it wasn't like he was bad or struggled to throw touchdowns. It was just Kyron was they were really good at just running in touchdowns. But you've got years before multiple years as a top five fantasy quarterback. Andy, you brought up on the live show, your belief in Puka and Cooper Cup as great receiving options. And I do think if you're looking, okay, what is a quarterback this year who's kind of left for dead in drafts, who's later drafted, but has the weapons to maybe throw for 4535 in the in the real late rounds Stafford to me would be the guy I would go after. For me, it's Trevor Lawrence. Trevor Lawrence. I mean, the sentiment around Jordan Love to start the year was bad. It is very bad around Trevor Lawrence right now. I'm a big Brian Thomas Jr. believer. I like what Doug Peterson normally does on the offensive side. And Lawrence is somebody that was, you know, that has the ceiling to do something special if the season comes together the right way. He actually tied Brock Purdy last year with the most 20 plus yard passing touchdowns. And we've talked a lot about the near misses. He's looked pretty good in the preseason. He's had stretches of games where he's been elite as a passer and nobody wants him. That left for dead applies very, very specifically to Trevor Lawrence. So, you know, if you believe that Brian Thomas Jr. has more of a upper echelon ceiling, then you're talking about the fact that he actually added something to this offense that is pretty special. Ingram is going to be heavily involved. So he has the weapons. And so I think I think Lawrence fits that bill is is the ignored, but maybe you don't ignore him after four weeks. Lawrence totally fits the bill here. Going back to the beginning of last year, I did not believe Jordan Love could do what he did. I really genuinely didn't didn't see that as one of the outcomes. And Trevor Lawrence, you know, we've seen him enough where you go, ah, he's not that great. But you know, we bring up those missed touchdowns, those how many a handful of missed touchdowns, all the injuries that Trevor Lawrence had. If you want a guy who could really come out and establish establish himself as like a future star the way Jordan Love did, Trevor Lawrence fits the bill. I have, I was the most outspoken on the show about Trevor Lawrence last year. I hated his ADP. It is swung way too far for Trevor Lawrence last year in the second half, weeks 11 through 14, QB one, six, five, 11. And then he kind of got injured there at the end of the season. Is, would you take him or Herbert? Oh man, I think that's, that's so close. I've probably Herbert just because I, I know Herbert's really good. I think Trevor Lawrence is good ish, but, and we don't, like Gabe Davis is pretty much an invisible fantasy player that we don't talk about. Probably for accurate reasons, but Gabe Davis is one of those guys that it helps the quarterback. I mean, like he's a, he is a good, deep ball guy. That big target. You, you, you think he could be good for five or six touchdowns? Yeah. And that really helps Trevor Lawrence. The name I'm going to bring up, it was because I was looking at ADP of guys in the mid twenties is Gino Smith. It would, all of the reasons Jason just talked about with Stafford is looking at the Seattle offense. DK Metcalf is a great wide receiver. Even if Tyler Lockett isn't what he once was, he's still good. I mean, that he was good enough that they needed to give him a little bit of a contract extension. And then the hope and the promise of last year's first round or first wide receiver off the board in JSN and this new offensive scheme. Gino Smith was actually still good last year as a quarterback. The numbers weren't prolific for fantasy, but it was the same average depth of target. His adjusted completion rate was still at 77%. It was just the big plays did not go there. He dropped from 15 passing touchdowns of 20 or more air yards down to five. And that's something that should positively regress back up. All right. Let's try to find 2024 is Jake Ferguson Finding 2024’s Jake Ferguson from last year. Undrafted tight end ends up number two on the team and target share. And so you're looking for that weekly floor touchdown upside. Right. And somebody that can be the number two target on the team. And for me, this is Tyler Conklin on the jets. Conk. Conk. Conk. Conk. You know, we've seen Aaron Rodgers is going to throw the football to the players he trusts the most. Conklin is a trustworthy target. He's a trustworthy target around the end zone. And this situation lines up with, you know, you want to use the parallels. Garrett Wilson is the CD lamb of this equation. Right. And Tyler Conklin, like who's Mike Williams is hurt. Malachi Corleys are rookie. And Savra Gibson is somebody. I mean, Conklin knows what to do. And he actually has reached just under 100 targets the last three years. So, you know, he is being completely ignored. I don't think we've brought him up one time. Maybe in passing as a sleeper tight end. So I think Conklin is, you know, Conklin is a lot like Ferguson, even from a, you know, he's not going to blow your mind with athleticism, but the physicality size and being a kind of, you know, lunch pail tight end, go out and do everything you're supposed to do and then be available to your quarterback. That's how Conklin hits for me. He was like last year for the jets. It was Garrett Wilson with all the all, all of the targets. Oh, I know. 168 second on the team is breeze hall. Third, Tyler Conklin. So with how many with 87 with 87. I mean, those are bad targets last year. But if he can get anywhere close to that type of volume from Rogers, that's a huge upgrade. And I not a lot of talk. Yeah. For me, the, the, the Ferguson comp is Pat Fryer, Muth, who is a post type sleeper. We have to remember how this guy's career has worked out. Like he was, he showed flashes as a rookie, but he was a rookie tight end and rookie tight ends don't do much. His second year, which keep in mind was Kenny Pickett's rookie season. He was the, he was the tight end eight looked great. And it was like, okay. So we've got, we've got a real player here. And then he was injured last year and, and Kenny Pickett fell apart. The offense fell apart. So it was like, this is a post type sleeper where I think what, what did Kenny Pickett throw seven touchdowns, like on the season. And so you're talking about, I know Russell Wilson is not the former hall of fame looking quarterback. I thought for me, it's big season was with, with big Ben. Uh, 2022, would that not have been Kenny Pickett's rookie season? No, Pickett played in 22. Is that, that was firemuse? Yeah, that was firemuse. So he's had two years and then Pickett's had two years. Maybe, maybe pick it, maybe pick it in play much that year. That's probably what it was. Pickett started 12 games, I believe that year. Oh man, he only threw seven touchdowns. That's what I just said. I mean, it was, and, and he was the quarterback eight. So if you get a quarterback in here, who can throw, you know, 25 touchdowns, that's not a, that's not a wonderful number. Russell's 26 last year. Yeah. Russell's 26. So if he throws 26, who's it going to? You know, if they don't get Brandon Ayuk, okay, you got George Pickens, looks great, but then he could be the number two target in this offense. Could be. What other tight ends does Arthur Smith want to ruin? Yeah, that's my concern. Is the utilization of the tight ends has been sketchy for youth. Tight ends are so, they're so annoying sometimes because they, it's, you need more to make a tight end good. Like we always say talent rises. It feels like with a tight end, you need circumstance. Yeah. Other, you know, the wide receiver, oh, Miami stinks. Jay Lwatt, 106 targets, rookie season doesn't matter. But with a tight end, sometimes you've got to have, you've got to get on the field. You got to have the right coordinator. You got to have a quarterback that likes throwing to the tight end. Like you almost always, almost always have to be one of the top two targets in your offense. The only exception I can really think of is like George Kittle is off to types the third or, you know, if you put McCaffrey out there, but there's not a lot of, not a lot of, Kelsey, top two, Andrews, top two, La Porta, top two. Yeah. Kinkade, McBride looks like top two. Top two. Yeah. I mean, it's like, Kinkade didn't have it, but now he will be. Yeah. So if you really want to be good, not just like, oh, I'm, I'm the, I'm the tight end 11. Yeah. I'm occasionally good. You have to be one of the top two targets. And there's not a lot of guys that fit that bill. Fryermuth does look like he could be, should be. Yeah. I mean, Arthur makes sense. I am filing this one under protest. However, I think it is, I think it's Taysum Hill last year's tight end 12. Kind of your guy, I would say. Yeah. Just kind of like your favorite player. I don't, I don't like the way that the tables have turned on me here. Get him a jersey. I don't like what Dennis Allen has, has done to the, the saints. I don't like what he has done to me and my opinion of the saints. Payton did it too. But it's, but it's, it's, it's magnified now. And Kendray Miller out at least four games. I think Taysum Hill is the backup running back. I think he's the backup quarterback. I think he's the backup tight end. He is, he is going to be a Swiss army knife for the team. It will be, there'll be ebbs and flows. You sound so much like Dennis Allen. You do. You sound exactly like him. You have never said something worse to me on this show. Than what you just said right there. It will be, it will be hot and cold. There's going to be games where he completely vanishes. And then there's going to be games where he puts up 20 points and you win because you had Taysum Hill starting. All right, we'll take a break and we'll come back with another fantasy time machine player. All right, this one is less fun than some Finding 2024’s Stefon Diggs of the other ones. Let's find 2024 is Stefan Diggs who was the, who was the first round pick in fantasy drafts last year was the wide receiver four off the board. He was the wide receiver three in the first half of the year. And then he just averaged 7.5 points per game over the last half. Yet you kept starting him because he was Stefan Diggs because you start Stefan Diggs. So this is an alpha wide receiver who could end up being a bust in the second half of the year, aka runs out of steam for fantasy football. Yeah. Thielen would be another name that was like Diggs. Thielen, well, he's getting more confused. It sounds like as the days go by. But Thielen was on fire to start the year loses steam. But he wasn't the fourth wide receiver taken in the draft last year. And so when I looked at that, trying to comp, you know, who would I be worried about to pull a Stefan Diggs this season? I brought him up as kind of my bus pick late in June, but Devonte Adams still scares me. I think he's great. I thought Stefan Diggs was great last year going into the year. But when you're at that age where you go, okay, he's going to turn 32 towards the end of this season. That is pretty old for wide receiver and the situation around him, you know, Luke gets his office offense going to be very run heavy, super slow. You know, in 2022, they were 27th and neutral pass 32nd neutral pass rate. This is a poor quarterback situation on an offense. I don't expect to be prolific for an older player who is being drafted very, very highly. So that's where if I've got a if I've got to call a shot on someone that I want to try to avoid, who is a phenomenally talented, highly drafted wide receiver, it would be Demonte Adams. Go ahead, Mike. I don't like to say it, but it's I will whisper the name. Both of your guys shocked me. It's Debo Samuel. Look, I have him ranked very high. I love Debo, but it is, I think it is disingenuous to not actually look at the career of Debo and say the guys had two great years and three other years that you're like, uh, this was not good from, this was not great for my fantasy football team. He will turn 29 this year. I mean, you guys, you wanted to give Jalen Waddle a hard time yesterday of being banged up. Debo has never played a full year in his entire career because he plays so physically. He plays like a man because he is a man. He plays like a man. Give me the drop. He misses games like a man. A huge part of Debo's success is all of those rushing touchdowns. Debo's going to be 29. I mean, they probably still will. This is, this is not a time machine that I hope comes true. It's just trying to look at what particular outcomes could be. Part of digs for what it's worth was, it was a surprise to everybody. So if you're, if you're trying to guess somebody, it's not somebody that is obvious. We've never had a wide receiver at the age of 29 or older score more than two rushing touchdowns. He would be come the first one ever. I understand that it's a huge part of his game, but I just, he is a player. I have concerns over the second half of the year. He could start, you know, slowing down. Not going to say breaking down, but slowing down. There's literally no comp for him though, right? Because here's all the wide receiver since 1990 with double digit touchdowns at a season and at least four of them coming on the ground, regardless of age. Tavon Austin did it. Debo Samuel's done it and Debo Samuel's done it. So it's like, yeah, of course there's no, he is a complete outlier. He's the only one that does it. Yeah. I'll bring up a name that has, you know, blown out the candles on two more birthday cakes. Mike Evans is 31 years old and I brings me no joy to bring this up, but the cost, the draft cost much higher than last year when he was the my birthday cakes because digs is 29 and Evans is 31. I thought Evans aged two years this season. He did compare to digs. He got two birthday cakes this year. I would did. He got one for his birthday and one I gave it to him for the my guy. I say, you know what, for my birthday, if you want to give me two cakes, I'm not going to complain. Okay. So Evans is, it's tough because this is kind of, because he's the first ballad hall of fame wide receiver. Actually, I don't think he is. Oh, that's fine. I don't think he's the first ballad because it's almost impossible. You know, Terrell Owens didn't do it. Almost impossible. Like his thousand yard streak. I think Rice and, I think Rice and, Gerald Moss are the only two that I can think of recently. Fitz was. Is he, is he done? First ballot? Yeah. He's, no, Fitz is no, he's, no, but he will be. I'm just saying, I mean, it's really hard to do. Now, listen, Evans was incredible last year, but this is perfect. Like the older you get, the back half of this season is more difficult. He gets sustained by touchdowns. If Baker has a rough stretch, if they don't do what they did last year, you know, there's a lot of talk in this offense. You lost Dave Canales. You bring Liam Cohen in. A lot of talk about Chris Godwin getting more work. So from an ADP standpoint, Mike Evans costs you a lot more than he did last year. You have the same expectations and he's 31 years old. So, you know, that's tough. And here's a, here's a stat for you. Over the last decade, there have been 11 wide receivers, 31 and older that was drafted in the first three rounds for fantasy. Three of those 11 finished in the top 20. So the track record is not there. I love, you know, Mike Evans has just kind of gone to work and got it done, but I got paid, you know, human nature a little bit. I don't know that could be, uh, he's already rich. That could be a little tough. Yeah. Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, Jerry Rice, Steve Largent, Paul Warfield, Lance Altworth and Raymond Berry. Those are the only, wow. Those are the only first ball of Hall of Fame wide receivers ever. Yeah. So since 2000, just Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, Calvin Johnson. I don't think Evans is going to do that. So the guy that Mike Evans already has more receiving yards than was the first ball of Hall of Famer. Would that be Calvin? That would be Calvin. The guy who didn't play that much. Yeah. Just saying. I bet a per year. Totality matters. Calvin was the best wide receiver on the field for most of his career. All three of those guys were the best of their generation. All right. So, uh, there you go. There's your fantasy time machine. You know, to, to not, not to leave Evans, uh, the, the year prior when you looked at the stats for Mike Evans, he finished as the wide receiver 16 and you looked at a lot of his stature like you still had 1100 yards. He still had everything go his way. It was just kind of some touchdowns that didn't happen. It was a split of seasons, kind of like what we saw from Stefan Diggs last year. Evans was really good in the first half of that season, two years ago. And then that was the, that was the Brady. That was the year. Second half. He crushed my soul every week. And just so bad. He just didn't catch touchdowns. I mean, until that week, 17, oh, championship burger. Thank you, Mike Evans. But, um, yeah, I mean, he can, if the touchdowns don't come in a specific stretch of games, you could be very disappointed. All right. That'll do it for today's episode. We got a mock draft this week. 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