Reaction to Trent Williams' MASSIVE 49ers deal + Jon Gruden's YouTube debut | 3 & Out

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chief's trying to be the first team to ever three repat uh a lot of pressure on the Ravens like this is it's now or never and it probably was now or never last year but we'll dive into some more of that Thursday today the Niners had a pretty good day Trent Williams showed up at the crack of dawn he got a new contract Brandon iuk talked today admitted you know might have been on me a little bit and Ricky peera is not just alive he's in the weit room and his spirits are high uh I noticed something watching I was doing putting together a shelf yesterday in the living room and watching the Florida State game and something kind of hit me I've been talking about this theme but it's it's more evident now than it's ever been and then we'll hit on a couple other little NFL things Gruden John Gruden that is has a YouTube channel um Brian Deal's calling plays and cam Hayward got a new contract and then we'll do we'll do a mailbag a little bit later today as well but if you want to go to one of 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minute tickets lowest prices [Music] guaranteed I remember Colin said something years ago he has a couple Trent Williams signs contract with 49ers sayings that have stuck with me and I I can't even remember what I did three weeks ago but this saying is something if if you like business if you work in the business world that I I think is something that you should keep in your back pocket because it's very true for most of us you know especially younger people you don't have much Leverage when I first got hired at Fresno State with Philadelphia even in radio like hey here's 50 Grand here's 70 grand like you you weren't negotiating no I want triple it's like they kind of got you and the older you get the more successful you are in any industry you know you get a little more power and his comment was simply you don't often have leverage when you get it use it and then if you become a boohemoth like what apple is now you can charge google10 billion to use Google Chrome on the iPhone because that is on the homepage when you search it's Google Chrome well how do you think that gets there Google pays a lot of money Apple takes a lot of [ __ ] for how they operate in their App Store well guess what most businesses you got to be on in the App Store why because the amount of money that flows through there from a business standpoint and a lot of companies and I'm sure many people listening to this like you're kind of dependent on a couple couple people right I know a lot of businesses are dependent on their distribution channels are dependent on maybe a certain contact or two I've had these situations in the podcast world when I had the right contact for a certain company and they advertised and that changed and then the advertiser went away and things can change really really quickly in basically any industry right I don't care who's on top for how long you never know Rome fell Apple can fall the Patriots can fall it happens it's life things go in cycles and as a player as an individual player you know you can only play for so long what Tom Brady did is an all-time outlier situation so every contract hold out negotiation to me is not the same it's like scouting a player every player is their own entity some hold out so I'm like yeah makes sense some are like what are you doing I Lev on Belt I remember when that was happening so many people in the media were like he's standing on business he's doing what he thinks right and even him like six seven years later called it a massive mistake of course it was he gave up $15 million what you're literally $15 million richer whatever after taxes eight or nine than you would have been currently like that happened what Assan reic is doing right now assuming let's just say he doesn't never plays a snap for the Jets he will be $14 million horor like that's a fact it's not debatable it's black and white and Brandon iuk is like they're offering you this contract man it's pretty damn good you should probably take it and then there's Trent Williams you go well I'm an 11 Time pro bowler I'm widely considered the best left tackle in the league and a future Hall of Famer and I like Kyle and I like playing for the 49ers it's been incredible for my career it's first time I get to consistently win but this is a business and I've seen enough guys including some of my great peers Tom Brady was told by Bill bich essentially we don't want you I'm shorting you as a player and even Tom Brady if you look back didn't have that many options the 49ers went with Jimmy Garoppolo they had the conversation sticking with Jimmy Titans sticking with Ryan tanah Hill the Raiders sticking with Derek Carr that happened Peyton Manning was cut have seen countless other players derell Rivas you some of the best players of the last decade cut or Force out Luke Keeley he had a chance to become one of the great linebackers of all time and he started getting concussions and they wouldn't stop and he had to retire really young no sport do things change on a dime like they do in the NFL Trent Williams literally got sick years ago with cancer and the doctors looked at him and said you might not make it so he knows just from a human element how how short life could be potentially and from a football standpoint he's played long enough to see his peers at the highest level get thrown in the trash so when he said the day this was about security it's a volatile League he's 100% right now the only time you can make a play like this as a player when you got three years left than $80 million even if it's not guaranteed when you have 100% of the leverage cuz that's what he had the 49ers need him they don't have a replacement and no one does when you have a player like that but the 49ers specifically their offensive Line's kind of not great and he's not just their best offensive lineman he's the best arguably offensive lineman in the league and one of the best players in the league so he had the opportunity to bend him over a barrel now he probably wanted even more than he got but they got to a number that he felt comfortable is worth flying back and getting ready for this game and I also think this is a combination of he knew he was going to win this negotiation when it started why because he had all the leverage and two at his age yeah I don't really want to spent the must month of August in Santa CLA and I don't totally blame him and there is a small small percentage of players in this league that could pull that off there's literally not a quarterback who could pull it off be like Patrick Mahomes could yeah but you can't operate in training camp without your starting quarterback you need that guy around pass rushers we saw Michael Strahan do it back in the day as he got older like I don't want to be at training camp and you don't like making exceptions for individuals but sometimes like tent Williams now granted they did find him I think over $4 million but the way they did the deal he essentially got it right back so I I just think Trent Williams is a good example of a player who's seen so many guys that if he would have just shown up on the contract which was still pretty lucrative right and the 49ers don't plan on cutting him but what if he got injured or what if his play dipped they get rid of him and they wouldn't even hesitate because that's the way the NFL works it's what we like about the NFL unlike baseball you sign one of these terrible contracts you're just stuck with the guy in basketball how many contracts throughout the league if you gave the GM of that team you can press a button and this contract IM immediately evaporates and this guy is a free agent can you imagine how many NBA teams would press that button everyone's like the NBA is giving away all this money most of it is to players you're like you can't you're doing what but you're stuck because it's all guaranteed football's the opposite it's why so many teams can get good fast because you're never stuck very long and Trent played his card and he won and ultimately the 49ers win because as long as he's still good you're in great shape he can't overpay Trent Williams if he just maintains his Pro Bowl level of play at left tackle protecting Brock P so he can throw to Debo Samuel George KD Christian mcaffrey and Brandon auk it's why I've said this whole time all this reaction Colin mentioned this yesterday the 49ers are in shambles well Brandon auk was never going to be on the Pittsburgh Steelers because they had nothing to offer Trent Williams was never going to retire because the 49ers were always going to pay him now what date that happened we didn't know but it was kind of inev and now they got these two guys they already have a great defense they have a fantastic coach like and they have a very very productive Young quarterback who's played at a pro bowl level last year so I would imagine they're still going to be really good what about Seattle you mean a guy that's never been a head coach with Gino Smith as his quarterback yeah I'm gonna take the 49ers on that one so I I what about the Bears over mat ubber flu got good hair good looking beard I like Caleb Williams uh future but let's pump the brakes a little bit there so I I think everyone's trying to anoint these what about Raheem Morris and Kirk Cousins say that again out loud 49ers is gonna be okay are they gonna win the Super Bowl I don't know uh you you know they got eight guys making over 15 million so from a cap standpoint better now than never but they're going to be really damn good and they're going to be right in the mix as they've been for the last three or four years unless they have a couple catastrophic injuries like any team that you can't overcome I'll give Brandon IU Credit on this he said today I made this more difficult than it had to be because he did now I appreciate guys that can acknowledge like I played a role in this because it'd be easy for him to be like I'm not talking about that's what coaches always do the conversation was between me and him I'm going to keep that private we're going to keep that in the family you know any of you that grew up in Old School homes know like this does not leave the house now everyone's on social media posting their entire life back us kids that were growing up in the 80s and the 90s it was like this is not leave these doors that's how coaches and Executives talk I'm Gonna Keep the contract talk between me and his agent me and the player private Brandon ie's like yeah I made this more difficult than it had to be but I mentioned this last week like is this going to be a guy that was bitter and angry and he wasn't he seems very very happy and ultimately the 49ers add Trent Williams they add Brandon IU Christian mcaffry is back at practice I've heard nonstop you know I've heard Bill Simon say this I've heard a lot of people what Christian mcaffrey like what's his situation this year he said like three weeks ago if there was a game on Sunday he would have played I've been going to these practices long enough and a lot of teams do this they don't ask that much out of their star players why because their star players Christian mcaffry works out 365 days a year so does Nick Bosa Trent Williams at training camp the last couple years that I've been going I I I wouldn't exactly call his regimen uh the Bear Bryant Junction Boys The Double Days of like uh Bobby Bowen's Florida State teams in the early 90s it's not what it looked like there was a lot of just kind of kicking it on the sideline why because he's ready to roll and he's also old now br auk his rapport with py they have a good one over the last couple years but you know he's missed the last 40 plus days where s Gardner and all the Jets guys they've been training so they're just in the the mix of football he's been doing the mental stuff because he's been there but I I think there is a question mark how he's going to look on Monday night in the way our society Works including myself I'm guilty of this to react to the games that if he looks bad people are going to be critical uh now over the course of the year if he plays well it'll all subside and quiet down but I I would say there there's a lot of pressure on him on Monday night to look good to look really good there's pressure on this game because pressure on the 49ers there's a ton of pressure on the Jets but like can you imagine the if you just compared the Reps between Garrett Wilson and Aaron Rodgers and Brock pie and Brandon auk it's not even close why because Brock pie and Brandon auk have practiced and played in games for the last year and a half those two guys have never played in a real game together beside four plays so it's why the Jets and I get everyone because it was fun and I did it last year I picked him to win the division there are way too many unknowns for me to just feel comfortable about that Squad right I just think the coaching situation just the age and the health of the situation I'm not saying they can't win on Monday night but just the long-term view of the team it it is a week by week operation given the uh kind of health status some of their guys the other thing that and I've talked about this Reaction to Ricky Pearsall shooting for a long time is when you're a scout coming up or an assistant coach there is no handbook it's like this in most jobs were you ready to be the head coach were you ready for this position H it could be were you ready to become a coordinator the first time were you ready to become the director of college scouting is anyone truly ready like obviously you have experience doing something specifically and hopefully you can grow into the role and depending on the job the industry you might have to produce immediately or you might get a little bit of a Runway but as an assistant coach or as an assistant GM or college director you don't have to deal with the major problems when someone that gets drafted in the the second round gets a DUI if you're the college director like people aren't talking about you on podcasts on the radio on local TV in in the athletic they're talking about the GM when the second rounder from the Browns got arrested during training camp even if his biggest supporter was the defensive coordinator or the second in command of The Scouting Department it's on stefans and it's on Andrew Berry no different when someone gets in an accident or something happens it's on that guy when you're an assistant coach or an assistant you don't have to deal with that so when Ricky peol gets shot and thank God he's alive as his mother said by the grace of God because when you just say the words he got shot in the chest in an attempted robbery if you didn't know anything else that he probably died first year you think probably got hit in the heart he's dead you didn't even know who the person was whether it's a famous person or not famous person like usually when someone gets shot in the chest you die and there was a video that went viral of the police officer that showed up and she was kind of almost in tears that when she got there and she started holding the wound he kind of started freaking out just in terms of breathing hard and like just kind of getting worked up looking at all the blood and looked in the eye and said am I going to die and she she got pretty emotional recounting this like it was a really powerful thing that happened one just the incident is [ __ ] Insanity San Francisco in Union Square which used to be one of I I have spent so much time in San Francisco as a kid I lived in the city for 2 years I lived in the Bay Area for 10 couple years in Emeryville which is right across the bay bridge and another I would say six in Walnut Creek which is about 25 miles away and depending on traffic anywhere from 25 to 45 minutes uh how many days as just a single guy hanging out partying it was a such a vibrant place when I moved back from Philly what it has become and Union Square specifically used to be I would say the most popular definitely the most famous shopping area in Northern California has become robbery Central now a lot of these robbery don't involve a gun because California and San Francisco specifically like murder rates I mean we're not talking about like some of these areas in Chicago but it's no place has more robberies right now I I read an article that you are you are 50% more likely to have a crime committed robbery some sort of violent you know interaction in San Francisco than Compton California San Francisco what has happened to it honestly makes me sick it's an embarrassment and for Ricky peol to escape losing his life over [ __ ] getting robbed by a Rolex one it's not I mean it's shocking when he gets shot but like that someone tries to rob him is not shocking at all and that's the sad part because no one gets in trouble there aren't any rules anymore in San Francisco I mean one of the reason I'm sitting here a couple years later is because it just Northern California in general just kind of became like a lawless place you're like spend all this money I'm getting taxed up to wazu how does this make sense and for me it no longer did and that there were other variables obviously she played a huge role in it but that was something that really bothered me and I remember going at the dinner in San Francisco taking a a scouting buddy who was in for a trip to go to a Niner game and we were walking to this cool restaurant on the water and where you walk on Market Street which isn't very far away from where it happened to Ricky peol I mean it it kind of turns into Zombie Land I mean you got people taking enormous poops on the sideline uh or on the side of the street I mean it's crazy like you read this you hear this the media loves pushing back it's not true it is true like as someone who spent a lot of time there and it gets worse and that that's what's crazy and for the Niners my first reaction if I was Kyle and it's hard because like these are Pros like I don't know if we should be going to San Francisco and definitely no autograph none of that stuff there it's just it's just not worth the risk and I would imagine after this that that will not take place uh in the near future but you know John Lynch is in the hospital on Saturday night to make sure his first round pick lives so 49ers what a crazy roller coaster over the last you know five six days NFL week one is here and a new season means new ways to get in on the action at draftking Sportsbook an official sports betting partner at the NF fell fans have spoken we want touchdowns DraftKings hurt us and is delivering draftking Sportsbook is the number one place to bet touchdowns ready to place your first bet try betting on something simple like picking a player score a touchdown ready to do a touchdown dance of your own new draftking customers bet five bucks to get 250 in bonus bets instantly plus one month of NFL Plus premium on us download the draftking Sportsbook app and use the code John it's code John for new customers to get 250 in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks and get one month of NFL Plus premium on us only on DraftKings the crown is yours something that really jumped out to me with college football is that most of my Why QB play in CFB parallels the NFL life the top programs didn't need to have the best quarterback like you could compete to win national championships you could win 11 12 games every single year and have a guy that was never going to play in the NFL that never had a shot to play in the NFL and when fans watched them you'd be like yeah this not an NFL player but it didn't matter because you could load up your roster and that guy just basically was truly this this comment gets thrown out a lot in the NFL it is a lot harder to be a quote unquote game manager in the NFL because you do have to make a lot of plays you play in close games even if you're a good team a lot in college football for a large portion of my life the top teams they played in two or three tight games they would destroy destroy 75% of their opponents I mean [ __ ] railroad well with the transfer portal most teams aren't going to have a second string red shirt sophomore that goes I'm an NFL player sit there for three or four years at linebacker at safety at wide receiver so you're not going three deep like let's even go to the urban Meer Nick sabbin era you know back in the late 2000s and early 2010s of just NFL players because those guys leave but to me the thing that has completely changed and I'm going to use Nebraska as an example you could have a really good team and an average Quarterback and still be really competitive those days are over it has a lot of parallels now to the NFL if you have bad quarterback play you're going to lose where back in the day like Georgia might have a team or B has a team like is this quarterback even good and then they go 11 and two right those days are done if you don't have a good quarterback you're going to lose Florida State if we took Florida State in Boston College it's cool to see Bill O'Brien anytime you're kind of chubby and bald and you get put in a humid hot situation you are going to sweat and he was sweating profusely I'm a sweater if you would put me in that situation I would have been soaked he's absolutely soaked as they are just working Florida State and I might have jinxed them because I had my guy Derek Ray on the general manager of Florida State uh this off season they had just gone 13- one had one of the best seasons in a long time in Florida State now they're 0 and2 and looking like a disaster but their problem isn't the roster I watched Lewis rck with Scott Van Pelt last night he was like when you walk out to practice or you walk out to warm-ups their defensive line Looks every bit as good physically as any NFL team they're huge if you said Bill O'Brien you can draft 25 players not quarterbacks but just every other position but quarterback your roster Florida State's roster do you think Boston College has one guy Bill O'Brien picks probably not but DJ ulle is so terrible at quarterback you have no shot last year Nebraska went five- seven and their quarterback play could not have been worse I look today five and seven they lost three games 10 to13 three games 10 to 13 they lost another game 17- 20 and they lost a game to Wisconsin 17 to 24 if you put the quarterback they have right now and he still a lot to learn about Dominic riola but it's pretty clear he's in a different Universe than what they had last year I don't know if they win all five of those games because he's a freshman he might have are they a nine and3 team they ain't five- seven and you watch Boston College with Bill O'Brien he has a quarterback that looks like the poor man's version of Kyler Murray running around making plays if you flip-flop the two quarterbacks like that's the game and the sport was never really about that because for so long the top 10 programs were so much better than everyone else like truly do does anyone believe Clemson's roster sucks I'm I'm not rivals.com here but I follow recruiting closely enough after signing days they are typically in the top five or top 10 of recruiting classes so they are recruiting the best high school players and for the history of time that always mattered their quarterback play is atrocious DJ was bad this club Nick guy is not good either and you just lose what did Sabin realize after that first iteration of his era like I can't win with uh Coker and Sims so what did he start doing he started getting NFL quarterbacks Jaylen Herz huanga vioa M Jones Bryce young what happened they kept kicking ass they weren't as good on defense as they once were but they were dominant on offense LSU 2019 what happened Joe burough showed up that's this that's modern day football we aren't going to see these teams like when I was a kid or even into high school and college the some of the you know late 90s Miami defenses Florida State defenses Ohio State defenses you could have a good defense but you're never going to be as deep because guys aren't going to stay so if you get the quarterback wrong like in the NFL you're [ __ ] I mean it's really that simple and college football has mirrored the NFL now it's such a quarterback dependent sport because of the rules because of how difficult it is to play defense I stand by saying this nothing angers me more in college football no one in 2024 is trying to hurt anybody nobody they have been coached now for years if you're in college football when they start changing around the hitting rules you were like in peeee football JV football they've been coaching you for a long time not lead with your head no you know uh cracking Guys across the middle no one's trying to break people's arms and clavicles anymore that used to happen a lot those days are over and when a guy goes in full speed and his helmet hits the other team's helmet if you want to throw a flag targeting rule whatever to me it's football but I get it the world's changed to throw the kid out of a game is beyond egregious to me no one is trying to injure anybody that is the most penal penalty the majority of people in college football whether you're at Alabama or whether you're at Fresno State or Boise State are not going to play in the NFL they're never going to be on the Packers the Cowboys the Niners the eagle they're not their career is going to end after college end after college to take away this guy from a football game to me is just it's more like un American I mean I it really bothers me and I I try to contain it but it happened a couple times this weekend and I went can somebody change this rule can we remove that part of it maybe it was necessary early on it's not necessary it happened in the USC LSU game he wasn't trying to do that no one is I get it it happens their kids to throw a player out of that game you don't this isn't baseball you don't play every day you get 12 of these a year and six or seven of them really matter and that was one of them and when that happens really pisses me off uh couple other NFL Jon Gruden launches a YouTube channel stories it it's C forever you know if a guy left TV and they got fired in coaching he would just disappear you wouldn't see him and now like a guy like John Gruden you know he's kind of toxic because the way it ended there and he's suing the NFL and ESPN can't get really get back into bed with them because they're trying to be in good graces with the NFL and they want the Super Bowl and I get it you just would never hear from John grud again the only time you ever hear from is when you see him in pictures like oh Andy Reid invited him to practice right um Kaylin dubor had him speak to the team like and I don't even know if that happened but you know what I mean we started a YouTube channel it's just him just talking ball and just kind of doing his Monday night TV shtick so one thing cool about YouTube is it's an incredible platform if you just want to start you just start loading videos pretty easy and he's doing it now I watched a little bit of his Eagles Packers one felt like he was playing up I think the one thing YouTube will expose like being on Monday Night Football you could kind of play this caricature which I think is part of them it felt like trying to be yourself like this isn't all you some of it's you but not all of this is you you just authenticity really shines through in the modern day landscape it's it's what I consume definitely as someone that watches a lot of these videos of Just bunch of different people and uh just my advice to you as someone that is a consumes hours of YouTube a day just try to be a little more like you would be talking with your brother or talking with Andy it's the Monday night sticky thing you can add elements of that but it's it's not needed people are coming from you you're really famous you obviously been around football a long time you know what you're talking about just act normal um Robert Sala said Haason Reddick still holding out today because the ners and the Jets because of the long weekend had a practice to day then they're off tomorrow and they back Thursday asked about Assan reic if he was in the building and if he was practicing and he said zero status change so his hold out continues I I don't quite understand the long-term play here I I just we kind of jumped the shark early on I get it but like what are we doing now you're going to hold out for the season you're going to hold out the Jets aren't going to pay you are you hoping that eventually they just crack because they traded a third round pick for you it doesn't feel like they're going to do that don't you almost make a million dollars a game my recommendation would be play like that's that's a lot of money uh cam Hayward signed for a lot of money a little like the Trent Williams thing uh you know divided by two Cam Heyward signs extension with Steelers stalwart for the organization team captain man of the year good player in a perfect world he retires a Steeler and they take care of him and last but not least this you know this Brian Daboll to call plays for the offense this season has been reported on for a while the day ball going back to OTAs and in training camp was the play caller you taken away from Mike Kafka he confirmed that today uh I guess if you wanted to look at it from a a point that if the offense sucks this year it was easy to just it was cfus fault Daniel Jones fault well now you are playing a role in that when you're the CEO guy it's like you know I'm just I'm giving big picture philosophical beliefs well now on Third and seven if you run a route that looks terrible you're part of the criticism with Daniel Jones so maybe the Mars said we want you to call place I think there's a chance that that happened because if I was John Mara I'd be like we did hire you from the Buffalo Bills because of how awesome you were with Josh Allen shouldn't you maybe call the plays especially when we look around the league and McVey laflor Kyle Kevin oconnell all these guys are calling the plays that are offensive guys and I I I do Wonder they'll never admit it if there was some internal pressure there with the powers that be that said Brian we want you with the offensive play sheet uh for 17 weeks a year now