Christian McCaffrey & 49ers issue, Belichick's next NFL team, USC vs. Ohio State in Big 10 | 3 & Out

Intro what's up everybody Welcome to three and- Out YouTube page I'm John middleof and we are talking football all day every day make sure you subscribe like the video share with your friends let's roll baby what is going on everybody uh I I feel lonely no football game on Tuesday none on Wednesday we gotta wait till Thursday pretty good one we get bills at Miami yeah Buffalo with a couple points little money moneyline dog that I might have to dabble on but today I wanted to dive into a couple things first and foremost the controversy that is Christian mcaffrey and Jordan Mason that kind of took part we' already recorded I didn't even see it and then today bunch of people making a big deal of it I I think it's kind of stupid NFL contracts and I think they have something in common when it comes to the quarterbacks and why Deshawn is such an outlier and uh has become such a disastrous situation for the Browns I saw bellich was on with pton Manning and Eli last night and obviously he's gonna be a topic of conversation I mean you can find him everywhere now but that he still wants to coach and we've talked about all these teams I do think there's a team to keep an eye on and then something we're going to do for every Wednesday show we're just going to go Wednesdays on campus and I'm going hit five things five question marks uh when it comes comes to college football of course the middleof mailbag from the video side will be out later today at John middleof fire in those DMS but do you want to go to a game do you want to go to a football game an NFL game a college game why got you covered because game time the official ticketing app of this podcast is the best been using them for a long time now they have you covered any event you want to go is your team and do you live in a city where your baseball team's going to be in the playoffs playoff baseball is awesome you want to go to a concert to a comedy show well I got you covered just take the guesswork out of buying tickets with Game Time download the game time app create an account and use the code John for $20 off your first purchase terms apply again create an account and redeem the code JN for $20 off download the game time app today last minute tickets lowest prices [Music] Jordan Mason starting not a controversy guaranteed I just want to hit on this really quick because I think a a lot of people chime in when it comes to gambling and if you don't gamble I don't really care what your opinion is uh because listen I I've gambled for a long time and I've been screwed and as someone that gambles a lot on golf when it comes to injuries like they do a terrible job you never know when guys are injured and then all of a sudden they withdraw on Friday and you have a lot of money on them and it's like H to top 10 it's like I've been dealing with a bad wrist I'm out it's like what you know lvic who's one of the best golfers has had a knee issue all season long and then over the last two weeks it was like he he's going to need knee surgery after the year well it's like the public should know this there should be an injury report so if we're all in bed together I'm Pro gambling I'm Pro the leagues being I'm Pro us all involved but only one League takes that seriously the NBA doesn't I don't follow baseball so can't comment I know for a fact golf doesn't the NFL has consistent injury reports and Christian mcaffrey has been on that thing all of training camp when there wasn't even official training camp injury report because you legally don't have to but every single day reporters didn't practice didn't practice didn't practice everyone in the world knows he's injured and then the actual season starts and he's on the injury report not just with a calf but also with an Achilles so it's not a hidden thing everyone knows it he is questionable throughout the week to practice so when Jordan Mason is asked when did you know you were going to start and he says Friday everyone freaks out I think to myself I didn't have any money on that game but who could be mad right because if I told you Christian mcaffrey if you thought he was gonna play and then he doesn't and listen I was when he was inactive it was surprising but not out of left field because he's been dealing with his calf Achilles but who would have benefited from that because if I told you Christian mcaffrey on Monday so you had all whole week long like last Monday Chris mcaffry is out what are you probably going to do put some money on the Jets well if you would have done that you would have lost so who's actually mad fantasy drafts have already happened literally when the guy was injured so I I don't know what crew is mad Jordan Mason said he was St Jordan Mason's never been the backup so he's officially the backup this off season and then he's in a position week one when the guy might not play what do you think a position coach Hells a guy who where the starter is questionable in dealing with something who's never been a backup probably all training camp better get ready to play better get ready to play you might be the starter you might be the starter you might have to play we might need to get 25 cares probably being told that every single game so a controversy to me when it comes to injury report is a guy not on the injury report at all who is a key person who is someone that seriously impacts the line Christian MCA is one of those people obviously he doesn't actually change at that many points if anything is like half a point or a point but when Christian mcaffry is not playing it's a huge concern so a player of that level not injured not injured not injured then the game comes and he's inactive like to me that's a controversy not someone who's literally been consistently on the injury report and not just with like oh flu like symptoms the word Achilles which popped up two weeks ago the moment that did I went red flag now I was actually underselling it when he just had a calf because he kept saying he could play but when the Achilles popped up I'm I think that's a big concern but what's shocking about a guy who's been dealing with an injury who's not good enough to go on a Sunday it literally happens all the time it's happened my entire life so the 49ers like what are they hiding you don't have to announce starters in the NFL there are guys on the injury report that end up starting and guys that end up being inactive you don't say on Thursday of a game week or Friday of a game week hey just so everyone knows these three guys are going to start they've never started before that's never happens you're not legally mandated to do it but I I think this fake controversy because the only person it would have helped in theory would have been someone that would have hammered the Jets well if you hammered the Jets you lost money I could have made the Jets a I don't know 12-point Underdog you still would have lost I don't I don't even know what the final score was because there was a garbage time touchdown but what are we talking about here obviously thehan Watson is a Deshaun Watson lawsuit conversation that just will not die and it's you know he plays the Jags this week so sneaky pressure on Doug and we'll get into that in a second but I looked around at all the biggest contracts in the NFL which are all quarterbacks if you look at guaranteed money if you look at practical guarantees if you just look at the total of a contract like Patrick Mahomes doesn't have the quote unquote the most guaranteed money but his contract is $450 million I think it's fair to say he's going to see every penny of that and most of the guys burrow Lawrence Tua Dak you know all these gu Jaylen Herz like they're going to see the overwhelming majority of their cash guaranteed and non-guaranteed right so unless you have a Russell Wilson fall off a cliff you see most of it like Derek Carr has never had huge guarantees he's made like $200 million in his career why because he just he starts every single year as long as you continue to start on that contract like you get paid and when I looked at all the names DeShaun Watson was the one that stuck out because he was the only player that changed teams in their mid 20s all those guys Dak Herz momes Allen Lamar Herbert burrow drafted by a team invested in a team and the team starting quarterback ideally for 15 plus years now we have seen quarterbacks move teams pton Manning Colts thought his neck might never be the same and they got the number one pick and they went with Andrew luck Kirt cousins last year 36 years old off of torn Achilles Tom Brady went to Tampa Bay he was 42 years old but when you look at all the sweet quarterbacks over really the history of the last 20 years guys in the prime of their career 25 26 years old never changed teams even Russell Wilson who felt younger than like Brady and Manning was traded when he was 33 years old he had been on Seattle for a decade for a he had been a 10year starter for them you think in a million years they ever would have pulled the trigger when he was 25 26 years old so DeShaun Watson contract is a great example who are the two teams at the end of the day the most interested in them Carolina and Cleveland what do those teams have in common not sure the owners have any clue what they're doing and are very desperate to be relevant let let things marinate and figure each other out they ran Baker Mayfield out of town which at the time felt like 100% the right move but sometimes when you rush into things you look back and you go well I'd much rather have bigger field than Deshawn Watson and then you look at Baker Mayfield now it's like God he feels like a really mature guy had a kid feels like he's kind of coming to his own as a man deshun Watson's being sued again for like what feels like the 50th time and this didn't have to happen and looking back I don't think this ever happens again because when does a player and I know he was really good but it was for like two and a half Seasons it's not like he had some long resume so the the decision for the Denver Broncos to trade for Russell Wilson is alltime bad but I don't really blame them I also left out Aaron Rogers who was traded at 39 years old who had been starting for the Packers for 15 plus years and who had been on the team for basically 19 this never happens that these guys are available and I think it's a great lesson if a 25 26 year old quarterback who is viewed as a sweet player is available something is way off and I mean way off I'm hearing a lot of people talk about this is this the worst trade in the history of sports we have talked about Bryce young before but I will say this if Bryce is just a disaster we've seen disasters before when you get the character stuff how could if I was a Browns fan I'm just a a guy living in Ohio that loves the Browns it's one thing to a player struggle it's Pro Sports it happens guys go through Downs turns some guys is like yeah was maybe a flash in the pant that sucks but then when you get the toxicity of the baggage he brings and just the way he carries himself he kind of has this negative Aura to him that would be really really hard and this is why when you invest in your own guy like let's say Joe burrow has a down year you know what every Cleveland or Cincinnati bangal fan will say that's my guy that guy got us to a Super Bowl I'll ride or die with Joe burrow Josh Allen Lamar Jackson Justin Herbert listen even Trevor Lawrence and Jaylen Herz and some of these guys like the Trevor Lawrence a bad example I don't know how many Jacksonville fans but let's use Jaylen as an example let's say he's up and down this year throws a bunch of picks also throw some touchdowns like this guy two years ago led us to a Super Bowl this guy was in the MVP mix I'm I'm giving this guy the benefit the doubt now none of these guys you know the only guy that had even a semblance of a character question mark looking through the top contracts in like the top 12 was Kyler Murray and what was that he played too many video games every other guy is pretty spotless and let's face it when you're a starting quarterback everyone's looking at you so no matter what you do would be a big story I actually think it's pretty impressive most of these guys avoid every issue possible except this guy like he feels like the ultimate turd right now in the NFL I'm not some moral high horse guy like I'm not I would never be like I refuse to watch Deshawn Watson because of that no I just don't want to watch him because he's terrible at football and he's unwatchable so I feel for all the Browns fans who it's one of the most passionate fan bases that place on big Downs when everyone's hitting the side of the wall that sound have to watch this guy that sucks I mean this really sucks and it it could get really bad really fast obviously it's already bad but it's September 10th if this sustains and it's it just he doesn't get any better how do you bench a player that you owe this much money to think how bad like there is it's unfathomable to think any other guys that I've listed in the top 10 12 salaries beside cousins who again is a mercenary new team any of the guys even you know Trevor Lawrence Justin Herbert I'm not even talking about the top three or four guys I'm talking about the next eight they would never be benched if they're healthy it just would not happen and no one expects it to happen right in terms of like what they would have to do on the field you're living through three four straight games of five picks a game it's like we're we're figure this out it feels like you're just stuck he has an anchor to you no matter how poor he plays the only way he doesn't play is an injury other than that you're just financially obligated in a day and age when no one's financially obligated to really anyone because there's so much money in the league you can get off contracts like this is the one where you are kind of stuck everyone's probably heard the the numbers of cutting him and what that would mean someone said $175 million next year because it would all accept accelerate you're just stuck with this player and like I said it's one thing if you're just a bad player but you know what he's trying he's just not good it's another thing when you're like I can't stand looking at this guy I feel for you guys touchdowns PD huie take it to the house in for six I like to call it a tug whatever you call touchdown one thing's for sure touchdowns matter more at draftking Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NFL on the ground in the air special teams or defense we do not care how you score them we just want to bet touchdowns and draftking Sportsbook is the number one place to bet touchdowns ready to place your first NFL bet try betting on something simple like a player to score a touchdown go to DraftKings Sportsbook app and make your bet today ready to do a touchdown dance of your own I know I do it all the time new DraftKings customers bet five bucks to get 250 in bonus bets instantly and get one month of NFL Plus premium download the draftking Sportsbook app and use the code John that's code JN for new customers to get 250 in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks and get one month NFL Plus premium only on DraftKings the crown is yours we've tried to put bill bich in a lot of places right Eagles the Cowboys main Why Belichick could be Jags coach those two I think the Cowboys is going to be off limits I would expect Mike McCarthy to be their coach moving forward and the Eagles like time will tell uh I do think if we're sleeping on a team because the Jacksonville Jags who have gone nine and8 these last two years and look headed toward that at best I do think that Doug who is a great guy is in trouble because their owner said this is the best team we've ever had this the best team we've ever had and I think there is tangible pressure on this operation Doug and tralk anything less than making the playoffs is a disaster and think about this week if you lose to the Browns like losing last week it was an atrocious loss it was props to the Dolphins for finding a way and creating a fumble and getting a stop when the guy's pinned on his own 30 yard line and going for it but you lose the Browns Like You could argue like is that a fireable offense I do wonder when you think about belich that like the Giants make sense in theory coach there back in the 80s pretty legendary coordinator his game plan is in the Hall of Fame against the because of the beaten Montanas and the K gun offense with Buffalo like Legendary game planner working for perels and Northeast guy would fit right in the New York media would eat him up but why would he go there they have nothing going for themselves even if they have the number one overall pick we just saw Caleb Williams there's not a quarterback in this draft that will have as much hype as Caleb Williams and it shows you how difficult it is you have to wonder if Trevor Lawrence just looks solid this year and salvageable bill and his guy Josh go let's go to Jacksonville no state income tax uh the AFC not as good as the NFC now that division is difficult Houston's not going away obviously Indy's really good but I think that's a team that we should be keeping an eye on bich and the Jags just a couple years ago Khan tried to make a huge Splash hiring Urban Meer obviously blew up in his face but he's tried and then he goes with a little less sexy pick I know Doug's won a Super Bowl but if this doesn't work out you have to imagine he'd pivot hard and be very very interested in Bill belich and you'd have to wonder if there'd be some mutual interest back uh I want to do this every Wednesday moving forward I'm going to ask myself five questions we're going to Wednesdays on Campus call this Wednesdays on campus uh I I can't imagine being a student any students listening to this props to you I don't know how much money you would have to pay me to sit into a class and listen to a professor but somehow we all kind of attempt to get through it in our use so those of you that are doing it keep doing it because that piece of paper while is kind of worthless also not kind of worthless I'm Pro school because it keeps your options open even though I thought it was pretty stupid and still kind of do so I'm torn but I love college football and so every Wednesday I'll just ask myself five questions might even expand I got a couple ideas with this that we'll see how this goes uh and I'll just answer so I'll answer myself we might get a guy to ask me questions I got a I got a idea up my sleeve but this is the first iteration of Wednesdays on campus we'll start with one is USC the Is USC #2 team in Big 10? second best team in the Big 10 can you imagine someone like myself who thought that Lincoln Riley in USC was destined to break up not because I thought Lincoln sucked I just thought it was a weird mix I didn't see the fit I was like I I don't know if he knows how a higher defensive coordinators and two weeks later I go I don't know if they're the second best team because I think if they played on a neutral field right now against Penn State I'd be interested to see how Miller Moss would look against that defense now Drew Aller is still a bit of a question mark they were just Bowling Green was giving them all they could handle I was watching that game at the gym on Saturday morning but it's clearly not Oregon right now uh Michigan has a ton of issues I think USC looks like a playoff team I said this to Colin the other day obviously that LSU win was one of the biggest of Lincoln's career but I thought the next week against Utah State and I get it Utah State who knows I mean are they even a six and six team USC dismantled them like a top team does playing a Mountain West team they eviscerated them they look like we're back not like Pete Carol and his Heyday back but like we're a real team and I went from the LSU game thinking when I thought USC was going to lose I'm like I still think they'd get eight and four then to a week later looking at their schedule going could they get to 10 and if they get to 10 they're a playoff team so when the dust settles are they the second best team I would still hesitate like Miller Moss has blown me away he's been excellent he's like almost 75% completion percentage but I think as of right now they're a playoff team they're better let's ask the next question what the hell is wrong with What’s wrong with Oregon? Oregon I thought about this a lot I think sometimes like George has won national championships right Ohio state has been a national C Champion contender like legit for I don't know 12 15 straight years Oregon has not beat Washington in two years Kaylin duor beat him three straight times so they have been in some big games and they've lost them all like we saw them against Washington as a ninepoint favorite in the Pack 12 championship game against kayin duor and Ryan grub who's now Seattle's offensive coordinator and they got worked I don't know remember the final score a game was not close now everyone thought this team was better than that version last year and I bought into the hype too yeah you're watching this team obviously their offensive line play has been not good but all I've heard forever is like how well they've recruited how well they've recruited when you play I'll never forget Leonard forette like his last year at LSU and going into the Alabama game it was like he's going to go off against Alabama it was a obviously LSU Alabama most year is a massive game and I'll never forget watching that game and thinking I don't think Leonard forette can gain five yards and Alabama treated him like he was me and that's what good teams do against a team that is very dependent on one great player well Boise state has clearly one of the best running backs in football who is going to I've kind of compared him to Darren sprouls because he's short and probably end up being a second you know top 50 pick depending on what he runs or whatever but he's an NFL player that's a type game if you're a national championship Contender even if your offensive line has issues and let's face it Dylan Gabriel is not as good as B Knicks so you downgrade a quarterback even if Dylan Gabriel is a good player like boni's top 15 pick starting in the NFL Dylan Gabriel's not going to be a top 15 pick he's not going to be starting in the NFL so that's what you call a downgrade you do not let the guy listen he's going to get his you don't let him go for almost 200 yards at home if you're a national championship team now maybe it can change maybe you can get better Dan Lan's a defensive guy but right now I it ain't even close it ain't even close to let him go for 192 against you is embarrassing even if he's an excellent player one thing to get on you over the course of the game but 192 three touchdowns 70 yard run I I can't take you that seriously right now relative to the way we talked about you coming into the year which was like final four bust could if it all goes well National Championship I they don't even look remotely close to that right now who would have thought two weeks in USC would be way better if they played right now how would you not bet on USC to win that game the way Oregon's Are we tired of Colorado yet? playing are we tired of Colorado yet it's hard for me to say yes because I was glued week one against North Dakota State and I was glued Saturday night against Nebraska so like I enjoy watching these games and I'm not necessarily rooting for or against them like I just kind of want to see what happens now here's what I will say because I saw this clip of rosillo talking on his podcast listen off to stats I mean he's two- n in his last 11 G it's ugly and they got worked Saturday night in Lincoln Nebraska Dion clearly loves like NFL guys on a staff which I have no problem like hiring Warren Sapp to coach my defensive linean that that's not what I'm talking Pat shurmer that's a embarrassing higher in that game against Nebraska and it's been like this since Dion's been there they can't block anybody yet every single time that they broke the Huddle they're going four and five wide it's like hey guys Dion one thing I admire like my parents were huge supporters of me but there were levels and there was a c off point like the way Dion is with shador like I I don't think you could pay my Dad $10 million to get to that level you know there would be there had to be some humility in there I think Dion at shador like shador is better than Dion which again he's pretty talented but they're going four and five wide like Dion's been around football long enough I know he's not the guy calling the plays but like hey Pat you want to throw in an extra offensive lineman or a tight end and maybe not spread this thing out when we can't block a soul it was terrible football it was just like listen it's one thing to lose Nebraska's better than you okay but to just like we're gonna do this over and over can you imagine what some of the Nebraska coaching staff what was Matt rule thinking like are they really just going to make it this easy they can't block our guys four on five it's Advantage us what would you do would you keep just spreading it out it wasn't 50 to 10 at one point in time it was like 21 nothing like you're not this college football things can change pretty quick to me they're just poorly coached on offense they're ref and maybe it's Dion CU he wants to get shador all these points like the point of this whole thing is to win shador is going to the NFL whether he throws for 100 touchdowns or two touchdowns he can move he's got a big arm like Josh Allen didn't do in college and went seventh are you trying to win the game or are we trying to do something else it doesn't quite add up to me it just that was bad like to me out of the two years that was one of the most glaring and if they lose this week to Colorado State I will say I'm T I'm out like I'm not paying attention to him anymore because it just none of it matters because if they lose this week which remember they almost lost last year to Colorado State at home they're headed for three or four wins they win this week maybe they can get some stuff together and compete to be six and six this week zero chance at Is Texas back? 500 is Texas back there are several teams that I just is kind of root against I would say Ohio State uh Notre Dame I would say pretty consistently and Texas would be one also again no militia it's not like I hate these programs uh when they're good I do enjoy watching them but I I kind of I like it when they lose and Texas has always been a program like I enjoyed when they were really down they don't determine my happiness or whatever and even against Michigan I I was kind of hoping that hey you know maybe Michigan mucks up this game by about four Series in my takeaway was one separate from my Texas agenda I just kind of thought Quinn ERS was a lot of hype last year I remember watching games going wait this people are talking about this guy like a top 10 pick the guy I'm watching this year looks fantastic that game he just played against Michigan threw three touchdowns but avoiding the rush stepping up in the pocket keeping plays alive his arm strength how quick he is to make decision how fast he is to kind of keep a play alive but keep his eyes up he was I guess I'm sold because I I watched that obviously their team has one of the best squads money can buy I think Texas is legitimate National Championship Contender and I think they're back and in this modern day when you pay to play uh and you have the most money you're going to have a shot right when you can pay to play Google Apple Texas right I mean you're going to win when you have the most money in a market like this where the most money counts for a lot it's impossible to suck and I've been very critical of Sark and I do Wonder like when it really gets tough in a game against Georgia in a game against even Alabama I know they look shitty but a game like that in the second or third round of the playoffs are they tough enough I don't know time will tell I we're going to see it this year because they're in the but that was a win like yeah we can win The Natty last year that win against Alabama wasn't was impressive but their defense sucked their defense doesn't look like it sucks this year here's the question Notre Dame question How is Notre Dame ranked higher than NIU? mark in what world this is the stupid part about the top 25 because Notre Dame was a highly touted program coming into this year they can only fall so far after I don't know losing at home is a 30-point favorite in what world if we're going to rank the top 25 I play you we're both one and0 it's the second game of the season I play you at your place and I beat you and you're ranked ahead of me how does that make any sense just because I'm a program that no one talks about and not a program that anyone thinks about when they say the words top 25 but we played it on the field I played you and I beat you that's the whole point of this sport we played four quarters worth of football in front of 70,000 people and when the score ended or when the clock went to double zeros we had more points than you how is Northern Illinois not ranked ahead of Notre Dame in what world can you lose to Northern Illinois I'd argue and still be a top 25 team I got no problem putting Northern Illinois in there Notre Dame can't be there and they definitely can't be ahead of Notre Dame on the rankings and Riley Leonard I read a long athletic article on him how he it was hard you know he he it was weird because in Spring he was injured and he couldn't practice he's trying to take this leadership role and he brought the boys home and he seems like a great kid seems like a dude that you'd want to be in your life as a friend as a neighbor as a business partner he can't throw so when you pay all this money Sabin said this couple weeks ago on college game day you can have all the money in the world you better not pay the wrong guys and they paid a guy High character guy big guy can run he can't throw and Notre Dame in 2024 is not going to have you know Jerry Judy and Jameson Williams at wide receiver the receivers are always maybe they hit on one but it's going to be rare they have some of the best wide receivers in the country maybe get a tight end and a solid running back but their offensive Personnel is always going to be relative to the Ohio States the bamas the LSUS the georgas old misses Texas is not going to be on their level because even with nil there are academic requirements it's just a fact of life so you better have a quarterback who can complete passes and be pretty accurate and this guy is not so I get falling in love with him once you meet him he's probably just like God we love you got to make plays on the field and he can't pass I mean he can't pass and I I wanted to root for him but as a buddy two weeks ago said when they were playing text A&M we were texting about the game and he's a high ranking official for a big time NFL team he said these are the two most overhyped quarterbacks in the country and it ain't close cuz the hype on those two guys but specifically Riley Leonard because of uh going to Notre Dame is the old even the Jets no one and I mean no one gets more hyped than Notre day nobody and nobody consistently doesn't live up to it like after a while just like yeah USC is not that good like they didn't even get hype hell this year they had no hype top 25 how are they still in the top how is how could you walk into the office if you're Thomas hammock the Northern Illinois coach and go wait our number we're ranked below Notre D how's that possible we literally just played them now I understand week going into week three it doesn't determine anything but still like how can I take a top 25 list seriously and they all have it if that's the case and the reality is you can't Wednesday's on campus

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Intro what's up everybody welcome to three and- out youtube page i'm john middleof and we are talking football all day every day make sure you subscribe like the video share with your friends let's roll baby okay let's dive into a little thing we call the middle cough mailbag very very easy to get involved... Read more

Reaction: Mahomes and Chiefs continue to own Lamar and the Ravens | 3 & Out #chiefs #ravens #mahomes thumbnail
Reaction: Mahomes and Chiefs continue to own Lamar and the Ravens | 3 & Out #chiefs #ravens #mahomes

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The kansas city chiefs continue their ownage over the ravens little closer i think than everyone thought with the final drive and lamar misses a couple passes and then he hits isaiah who's co was on the line and doesn't count and the game ends but if the chiefs are on nobody's beating them it's not... Read more

Reaction to 49ers & Brandon Aiyuk agreeing to MASSIVE contract extension | 3 & Out thumbnail
Reaction to 49ers & Brandon Aiyuk agreeing to MASSIVE contract extension | 3 & Out

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Well well well i was just going to try to take a couple days off take a deep breath just on the golf course enjoying the sun thinking you know i'm gonna be done before dion kicks off get home at about five o'clock shower watch a little football and boom 13th hole i get 17 texts eight updates brandon... Read more