Bengals loss on Joe Burrow, Matt Stafford NFL MVP odds, Deshaun Watson has FAILED Browns | 3 & Out

Intro what's up everybody Welcome to three and- Out YouTube page I'm John middleof and we are talking football all day every day make sure you subscribe like the video share with your friends let's roll baby okay let's do a little mailbag at John moff is the Instagram fire in those DMS get your questions answered on the show someone sent me this app I have to go relook up the app but like you know famous people charge some people charge like 10 grand to have a conversation now these are celebrities these are like life coaches but you can also text and send text messages some people charge like five bucks some people you know super famous people like 50 bucks I was thinking maybe I could do that app and uh I have to look into that and guarantee you get on the show I would still do the Instagram that is free but obviously some people just don't get their questions answered some people keep hitting me up it's like I it's just the way the Instagram setup works it's uh I I'm just going to miss some it's not like Excel spreadsheet for some Browns have no shot with Watson reason I've been a Browns fan since I was 13 I'm 30 now there hasn't been a whole lot to be excited about is this year likely their only chance for Success their roster is pretty good at least I think is Watson going to ruin any shot of a playoff run and the brown future for years to come do I need to give up on being a Browns fan thanks PS tried to get this in last week seems fitting now I think as long as Deshawn Watson's your quarterback you have no shot he's played one half of good football in all of his Browns games he's a disaster and I saw stefansky was like we got to our our protection was terrible we got to block better part of paying him all that money was to overcome or blocking cuz he was a great athlete he was a playmaker well he's a terrible playmaker now do you know the craziest part I thought of yesterday's game that no one's really going to talk about how many times on go routes or Deep End Zone shots that he just would let leave his hand they like oh this is a bomb would the ball go 50 yards past the wide receiver in DB he threw a couple into the stance now even if he's is he trying to throw every single ball away maybe he would say he was but I would doubt it like has he just lost all of his touch he feels like anyone that plays golf can relate to this when you're just in the middle of a round and you're like I've lost my swing like what do you mean like I don't really even know how to swing I have no confidence in anything that's what he feels like when he's playing it's like he just is lost which is crazy because he was always such like an instinct Ive innate player and now it feels like that's completely gone he's never been a guy that plays in the construct of just a normal offense he's always kind of been a freelance guy but if you can't freelance and that's your type player you're kind of screwed like Russell can't freelance anymore but he can still Dink and dunk it around like DeShawn doesn't really do that well either so hard to look at him body language is terrible looks like his teammates hate him the amount of money you guys are pay him and I think they moved money around recently to like change up salary cap you're just screwed so the reason you guys were good last year let's face is flacko came in and was incredible he was way better Deshawn Watson one he would get rid of the ball fast this guy just holds on to the ball have a question for the mailbag why does Why does the media give Burrow a pass? it seem like anytime burrow has a stinker the media just glosses over it he was awful against the Patriots and I think we are starting to see that burrow looks like without the Avengers in his wide receiver room how long will he keep living off the fluke win against the Chiefs from three years ago he's not in the top three momes Allen Lamar uh I would say this let's use yesterday as an example which is has to be one of the worst losses of the day at at home Patriots you score 10 points jacobe brette Rose for 120 yards No Way Around It props to jod mayil had the boys ready that was one of the least interesting games for me as a consumer I didn't really pay attention it was on one of my boxes but I was rarely looking over there and I think I speak for most of the country most people are not watching that game and that includes people that talk about football for a living so when you think about the games you're going to discuss that's not a big story after week one because like Caleb and the Bears uh obviously the Steelers and Justin Fields beating Atlanta clearly Dak and DeShaun Watson when you play the Patriots and listen great win for the Patriots I don't think they're going to be any good so that game in the hierarchy of importance in the business of talking about stuff in the business of the masses watching it is low on the totem pole this week it changes he plays the Chiefs so if they do that again against the Chiefs which is in a prime time slot not prime time but Sunday afternoon window which is one of the biggest games in America Nance and Romo there are going to be a lot of people watching that thing Sunday afternoon if they look like that again and get boat raced it will be one of the biggest stories on Monday morning 0 and2 bur looks like his wrist is he okay what what's up with Jamar Chase saying that he wants more money than Justin Jefferson it would just get weird but I do think they get to skate under the radar a little bit because of the team they play if they had just played the Ravens if they had just played the Chiefs if they had just played the Cowboys if they had just played the Packers it would be a bigger Story part of it is like the post bellich jacobe brassette Patriots this is not I'm not saying this like with any malicious intent are kind of irrelevant big Broncos fan this is from Brad been following since the Why Broncos fans should be optimistic Manning trade free agent signing but I hear what you're saying in 12 I'm 24 and the past decade has been terrible question for the Pod do you put the the Broncos offensive struggles against Seattle on B Knicks and their lack of skill positions or is Seattle's defense better than expected with a tough road environment I would say any rookie first road start is a difficult proposition now they covered so Props to them I had a little cash on them plus six and it was getting dicey near the end place is loud and Mike McDonald is a really good defensive coordinator their personnel on defense is better than it has performed but their pass rush was pretty feisty and they got good DBS but B knck looked like a rookie and did some stupid I mean the one picky threw in the to the front of the pylon was just an awful throw and he looked a little frenetic in accurate he look like a rookie and we talked about it earlier on the podcast like that's how rookies look sometimes they looked overwhelmed now you guys don't exactly have Julius Thomas Demaryius Thomas and Wes Welker running around out there so it's a little more difficult in a road environment it's going to be a really St tough start to the season for Denver because they played Pittsburgh this week big picture though I would try to be pretty optimistic and I am optimistic like I believe in this Duo even if it's going to be rough I invest in stocks that are going down when I believe in them and you just have to have the stomach to take 20 30 40% downturns and that's what I would imagine maybe the first month of the season is like for B Knicks and sha Peyton but I'm gonna keep buying I'm not going to fade off like oh I was wrong there because I think I'll be proven right over the long term you'll be able to get me early how am I supposed to Is Antonio Pierce coaching scared? believe in my coach when he's scared to go forward on fourth and one when you're over Midfield and there's a chance you don't get the ball back the defense was clearly gassed where is his feel for the game feels like a Devonte trade is inevitable and we're going to be terrible for the next two years minimum you know what's funny is Antonio Pierce who middle linebacker tough guy badass right like you you'd want him in your foot on your football team when he was playing you'd want him if you were going to get into a tussle in real life you you'd want him in a dark alley by your side and he talks that way right lot of bravado lot of Cockiness because in his life he's been able to beat up basically anyone he sees he's a Super Bowl champion like he's a tough guy yet when those guys become coaches they get put in some of these situations and they act like a complete puss because their defensive background and the way he's been taught like that's the right football play but in 2024 it's a joke to do that so I saw that when his quote after the game because he punted back on a fourth and one and is it was like the most there's a coward ranking that this company puts out and they usually tweet it out and I I see it retweeted in my timeline over the worst decisions on some of these like there's a difference to me between being Reckless Doug Peterson was in the Jags Miami game and doing this like you have nothing to lose but the game and you're not winning it and your quarterback's gner Min you so when you get a a spot to be aggressive you have to take advantage and this is not a situation where either team's scoring a lot of points so getting in position you're not getting there very often and then he tried to justify by saying you know what we did what we wanted to do we pinned them back they just broke a big run well yeah part of when you punt even if you pin them they're one miss tackle away from getting a 50- yard game and you're completely screwed so I never understand though we see it time and time again these big tough guys that talk that way that carry themselves that way because they've earned it in in life and then Coach like a coward you know I'll just give Dan Campbell Credit I don't always agree with him but he walks the walk he talks the talk and then he lives it like we're going to be a tough guy aggressive team and sometimes you could argue they're Reckless but he ain't scared and he said that when he got the Detroit job I I vividly remember watching an interview he did he's like my my core as a football player I've been trained to be conservative I came up in that era I I played under Bill parcel's it wasn't until I worked under Shawn PA know sometimes you got to put your nuts on the table especially week one it's week one why would you not be aggressive so embarrassing moment for him really is I I think the Raiders have they're just in trouble Garner mchu is just not going to be good enough for not even close Matthew Stafford played unbelievable I mean in the second half Is Stafford a dark horse MVP candidate? he was slinging it no look passes amazing arm talent and he's a little old but clearly still has it could he be a dark horse for MVP depending on how the Niners play how deep a playoff run could you see the Rams making well health is a major major concern you know to play out of your mind like he was playing with all the injuries that happened to them and still lose is a pretty big kick in the nuts because I read to auka uh has a PCL injury they placed him on injured reserve and McVey said this is a similar injury that he had earlier but it's way worse that's a that's a problem and it's it's it's any guy that plays in the NFL it's a backup or a practice squad guy can play a solid game but usually the reason that guy's a backup and not a starter is because over the course of time if that player has to play for a month instead of half a game he gets exposed and Stafford was getting hit and hit hard last night so can they play I don't have their updated injury but we'll know as the week goes on like are they going to be missing a bunch of offensive lineman because it's it's really hard to win does he have MVP capabilities if they're healthy 1 million per. let's look at their early schedule so they get the Cardinals this week um in Arizona okay winnable game but that's not easy because Kyler's tough little guy to play that'll be a tough game then they play the ners at home which will be a 49er home game then they gotta go to Chicago that has a pretty good defense so let's just see how they handle it because if you win that game last if you pull that out you're a lock to be like two and two now it's like you can play pretty well and all of a sudden are you one and two going into that Bears game on the road so I like the team I like their competitive character love Stafford but that was a tough loss last night given they had the lead they had all the injuries it's tough what are your Should overtime rules be changed? thoughts on the overtime rules I wasn't a fan of any team in Sunday night game so coming at this from a neutral position how can they improve it and not put so much at stake on the coin toss I've had a couple ideas like make each team kick increasing long field goals or give each team two minutes and two timeouts on each side of the ball you know what sucks is why change the rule for the postseason and not do it for the regular season why not just do it all season long regular season and postseason I'm with you I don't like a touchdown wins the game but if you kick a field goal G they get the ball that feels kind of arbitrary and pulled out of your ass like why don't we just like kick a field goal then the other team gets the opportunity to kick the same field goal like you could make up any rule you wanted so I would just have it simply like the playoff rule if uh both teams get the ball like now I I think the Rams were pretty gassed at that time so more than likely the right team won in overtime but my first reaction last night when they kind of said right away touchdown wins it it's like oh yeah we're not playing the playoff rules in the regular season I think it sucks it's why Andy Reed fought for it you should both get a chance touchdowns PD huie Tak it into the house in for six I like to call it a tug whatever you call touchdown one thing's for sure touchdowns matter more at draftking Sportsbook an official sports betting partner of the NFL on the ground in the air special teams or defense we do not care how you score them we just want to bet touchdowns and draftking Sportsbook is the number one place to bet touchdowns ready to place your first NFL bet try betting on something simple like a player to score a touchdown go to DraftKings Sportsbook app and make your bet today ready to do a touchdown dance of your own I know I do it all the time new DraftKings customers bet five bucks to get 250 in bonus bets instantly and get one month of NFL Plus premium download the draftking Sportsbook app and use the code John that's code JN for new customers to get 250 in bonus bets when you bet just five bucks and get one month NFL Plus premium only on DraftKings the crown is yours Falcons fan who has a question for the mailbag How long is Kirk Cousins' leash? after watching Kirk play out of the pistol and shotgun for most of the game while also not looking very mobile I'm very worried that we burned $100 million on a guy that doesn't look much better than Big Ben in his Twilight years is this Kirk shaking out the Russ for week one we start calling for penck to play he's not a good athlete never has been so putting him in situations where he has to run for his life he's screwed the way cousins plays well is when he's getting rid of the ball fast or you can protect like Goff goff's good when he has a good offensive bline because he can sit there in the pocket same with Derek Carr if you ask cousins to ad lip there is no ad Li he doesn't have the capability So Yesterday TJ watt he Smith those guys were in his he's screwed if you can Rush cousins this is where he has a lot in common with Carr it's over and it's over fast and then he gets rattled and he completely falls apart when he's getting untouched and he gets a rhythm that's where he looks like a $40 million guy I I my whole take was I had no problem with signing him but this then then draft penck it's like well are we sure that penck wouldn't be equally as like I think penck is going to be a good NFL player so if I was a Falcons fan I I got a short leash on this I don't want to watch much if historically most people that had this injury were never the same most people that get injured like this I'm recording this part before Rogers plays but Rogers was a infinitely better athlete than cousins one of his great attributes was moving around cousins was never that cousins was a bad n like Tom Brady running the 40 at the combine so once you draft penics it gets weird I think your offensive skill guys are a little overrated we talk about some of these guys before they've done anything like well they got like Marshall Faulk 2.0 and Tony Gonzalez and Julio Jones it's like no not quite Raheem Morris has done what that was if I could do yesterday over I would have two teams I wish I would have emptied the clip on more and put all my money that I've willing to bet on would have been the Steelers and the Cowboys I love those two spots Jags I can't believe I bet on the Jags what I'm an idiot Tomlin that spot against cousins and Raheem Morris and the Cowboys against the Sha Watson I liked him before and I should have loved him even more so I I'd have to go back and look what cousins two years ago it feels like an okon's offense under Center I I don't know I I just I think it's going to get weird I I I think it's going to get really weird but regardless who you're playing and whether he's under Center or in the gun if your team is getting smoked up front cousins is done and that goes when he played in Washington when he played in Minnesota when he plays for you guys if you can't protect them and it's hard I mean TJ watt You could argue was the best player in the NFL yesterday me it's a short list like Josh Micah Parsons right I mean he was that good when you get him in those spots like cousins is is a Sitting Duck Does Dak get that extension if Trey Lance was decent? do you think the Dak contracts do you think Dak gets that contract if Trey Lance showed any potential well he showed no potential so I I think that they knew last year that it wasn't really a conversation they had to see him in practice but I would imagine that five interception game against the Chargers seven string players uh cemented it but Tre Lance was their third Stringer last year and he was he their third Stringer again so I I think Trey Lance like that conversation that connection was a little overblown I I think ideally Jerry was thinking that when he made the trade I think they knew before this offseason ever started that like yeah this guy's not he can't be a backup he's not a backup quarterback he's not a top I think he's like a bottom five quarterback in the entire NFL including third stringers he's obviously not one of the top 64 guys in the NFL and he's not he's not one of the best 64 guys in the NFL it's like if he's your backup you will lose it's like when I see the bills when Josh hurts his hand it's like you guys are going to put trabis in the game if you play trabis you will lose I never understand that I I'd rather just rotate through my backups than have a guy that I know if my starting quarterback is injured in a game or he's got to start for a month we're going to lose every game so I hear what you're saying but I love the podcast would love to shave my head to join the bald Brotherhood but I'd look like an egg so there you go as much as I like your football takes some Financial advice has really caught my attention what are some podcasts or other media Outlets you would suggest or any quick advice uh I I I would listen to a lot of financial books and any business book from I was just listening to uh I haven't I've probably got halfway through I ended up listening to podcast so I I don't finish audio books but the the business uh Sam Walton made in America he's a guy that started Walmart about like in the 60s and 70s when he was building up that business is incredible I love Josh Brown and he has this thing called the compound I watch a lot of his YouTube videos and listen to their podcast there just solid finan fincial advice and you're you're a lot younger than me start investing now I mean it'll pay dividends as the older you get from my girlfriend's Instagram don't have one do you think Shawn pyton could get fired at the end of the year if the Broncos win four or five games and nicks looks poorly no chance I think Sean's getting like three years with Nicks they're paying him a lot of money and what are you gonna fire him for who wanted to start off by letting you know I appreciate your Insight you're one of the best talkers pure ball in the internet that being said uran Collins anointment of Nicks was ridiculous I get he as Payton but man I watched him in Oregon and Auburn and he struggles to push the ball down field you saw that yesterday or today also you and clatt are the only people I've seen take coward to school 26 completions for under 15 yards is insane check down Merchant at least he's accurate under 10 yards there's only one Drew Brees like I said I'm not I'm not giving up I'm not giving up I I don't expect him to be Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen pushing the ball down the field I think he's gonna be okay did I anoint him maybe I did but again sometimes I get caught up in the hype I'm human why did the Raiders opt for Luke gsy as their offensive coordinator over Coaching can't help Raiders QB room someone like kingsberry considering gs's offense struggled with the Bears and now seems underperforming with Vegas I would say yesterday he did not underperform his his quarterback play is going to be bad their offensive line is not good so I don't know luk getsy this is not personal I'm not like supporting a guy that I've known I've never met the guy I know nothing about him beside when he was the Bears offensive coordinator but I think if you gave Andy Reid the Raiders offense for the rest of the season while they would look better they're not going to be any good they're not going to be good the Raiders tried to hire cliff kingsberry and then Adam Peters got his owner to give him way more money and they took him to Washington but I don't think kingsberry would have changed much either so I I don't think it really would have matter honestly when your quarterback room is Aiden oconnell in Gardner mchu and you're the Raiders it'd be one thing if like well McVey or Kyle or Andy still not be great but they would have some moments like I don't expect you guys to have moments it's not going to be pretty that there's nothing you can really do about it been listening to you for a long time I'm originally from a Royal Grande both my parents went to John's review of The Thumb in Scottsdale calply Central Coast baby but now I live out in Arizona I actually work for the owner of the thumb saw your post today and couldn't help but reach out thanks for my entertainment this place Maria's been telling me about it for a while it's a g gas station guy Fier went there and he did a a triple D episode and she's like let's go there they have great barbecue when you pull up it's just a gas I posted on my Instagram I did a little reel you pull it's just a gas station so if you didn't know if you were just driving down the street and needed gas unless you went inside you would have no clue you go in it is a full-on restaurant it's a barbecue joint which is really good especially relative the gas stations and it has an unreal like ice cream pastry spot so you go inside I got this thing called The Hangover I wasn't even hung over but the lady at the front said get it and you can turn it into a burrito it's like brisket onions cheese home fries topped with cheese Maria got like a barbecue chicken sandwich onion rings were incredible the mac and cheese I didn't get but a couple people dm' me that live around here that say that mac and cheese Elite place is sweet so if you ever get a chance you're in North Scottsdale it's kind of close to like uh TPC Scottsdale where the waste management is Type in the thumb barbecue joint blown away it's cool I'm a sucker for I I like a good hole in the wall technically this isn't a hole in the wall because it's a legitimate gas station and a car wash you get gas you're car washed and you get a brisket sandwich but it's not like you know sometimes gas station food it's not like that it's a it's a restaurant I mean there are chefs people and Cooks it was good I purchased a subscription to Peacock tonight to watch the Eagles and the Packers it's a couple days old Is Peacock doing its viewers a disservice? however after purchasing found out that peacock does not allow recording of live TV programs I L I literally canceled my subscription immediately I work at an IT job overnight and I'm a huge NFL fan so I could not watch the game live and therefore could not watch the game peacock has its head up it's ass and they are likely missing out on an additional 20 million people getting this app sorry for the long message but this is just way and absolutely ridiculous on peacock's behalf yeah it sucks I didn't know that uh I've been Pro peacock uh but I've watched I guess every peacock game that the NFL has had and I watch the Oregon Boise game live I'm not a big watch games back guy for the first time I might watch a game back to see something that I missed but so I I'm a bad person to run that off but you know we all have different struggles in life I had a mailbag question about the Ravens John Harbaugh Should the Ravens be holding John Harbaugh to a higher standard? you've mentioned many times how you believe the Steelers should move on from Tomlin as the standard of success shouldn't be just making the playoffs at what point do we start holding Harbaugh to the same standard as he is the CEO head coach well they were the one seed last year and hosted the AFC Championship game as a favorite like I would say that's if Tomlin had just done that I would never have thrown out the Steelers should move on he just keeps barely making the playoffs then getting beat the Ravens dominated last year and then hosted the AFC Championship game if you're doing that like you not on the hot seat you're doing a really good job so I would say that Harbaugh wins more Harbaugh's been the number one overall seed I think a couple times with Lamar Jackson didn't happen in now he lost but when's the last time the Steelers I guess they had a home playoff game the corona year and the Browns kicked their ass so in 2019 they went 14-2 number one seed 2020 11 and five second round uh 2022 remember Lamar got hurt they still went 10 and seven lost to the Bengals in a pretty good game last year I mean they went 13 and four I I would say that Harbaugh's just winning more than Tomlin right now I I honestly that that to me would would be the biggest difference between those two if Harbaugh wins the Division again this year he's having having more success if Tomlin was doing exactly what Harbaugh done the last five years obviously he has Lamar and Tomlin doesn't but if Tomlin goes 12 wins this year and wins the Division nothing anyone can say I it's a pretty you know cut and dry league right only one person's winning the Super Bowl but like are you winning divisions are you hosting playoff games are you putting yourself in position to to win the conference how do you look throughout the regular season I think Harbaugh team's just been much better over the last five years than tomlins obviously that's quarterback play but one team took Kenny picket number 20th overall and the other team took Lamar Jackson 32nd overall' be one thing if Lamar was the number one pick you'd be like well of course they got him 32nd the Steelers took Kenny picket 20th one of the worst picks of all time thanks for listening