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like i just want to sit here but i just want to sit and stew kim and i actually just uh did the uh we did that we did the job we did the jambalaya trick trick where we got the uh pre-packaged instant ready-made jambalaya from like a consistency through a little register oh sweet sweet and we and uh man it just takes it to a different level registermeets.com is the website where they will uh you can order anywhere in the country except alaska we we've told you before yeah we don't know if that's true or not but we don't want them shipping to alaska no and then uh the um but if you're in the florida most parts of florida uh south alabama south georgia uh go to your local grocery store and get your tasty andouille or other sausage products so where do we want to begin how do we tackle which many could aptly describe as the worst loss in program history can we start with that the proposal at the end none of us saw that coming no i don't care about the proposal at the end i'm indifferent uh it's the least of my worries i i would i would bring up the fact that we all three think that mike rovell's a good coach well i do no i'm not i that was such a a mind-boggling performance not even even yeah i started at the right place i like it even if jarvis brownlee makes that tackle even if he makes that still disastrous it's a disastrous play call and it's a disastrous three and a half hours of football but that means you're not a good coach like that eight coaches have had terrible but uh it's a date apparently it's a data point and a sure in a big one and he's three and eight now um in one of his losses let's see this is what happens everybody says last year's years you're zero but it's not just the game we just went over it it's the worst loss in program history and especially considering what he preaches about accountability and you know all all the stuff the detail paying attention to the details the little stuff that he preaches let me circle back and then that's why i think that's why that loss hits so hard it's also why we're all shocked by it because we've seen the evidence that he is that buttoned up they do pay attention but they did not on saturday night and they did not have their team prepared to play they did not handle situations well i thought personnel groupings were sad sorry and wildly inconsistent i don't think they know what they want to be offensively or otherwise i think they've got real problems identifying what they're trying to be i don't know if they thought the notre dame game meant they could be this other thing and they can't but they did a lot of experimenting and you have pointed this out before in previous years when you do that you are sending a message to your team that this is nothing more than a glorified scrimmage you can't then ask them to take a team seriously when they see the personnel groupings that they saw and they call the plays the way they did they know that you're not taking that opponent seriously and then you have the debacle at the end which there's no way and i he can say what he has to say at the deus and he's going to i don't expect him to rip his coaches he can't uh and nor should he by the way as the ultimate leader what would you have done if you were the head coach at that moment at the press conference well i would have said obviously uh you know i i i we did not put our kids in a good position there and we lost the game and we're gonna have to get that fixed oh i thought you might get a little more uh listen what i'm gonna do is what i am gonna do is not talk more about it i talk less about it i think each time they have to go over this they should say less and less there's not a lot you can say that's gonna satiate the fans at this point and b if you colossally screw up the way that they did you don't really have to sit down and go over blow by blow just how bad it was you just have to admit to it and move on it was an interesting the whole press conference was kind of interesting and it wasn't like which one the one yesterday or after the game the one yesterday okay like they weren't defiant like it wasn't like it wasn't like when jimbo was defiant after the nc state game and he said it was oh everything was great except the execution well yeah he blamed the players after the nc state this wasn't that i mean they ultimately they did take blame for the loss and they just blame for not right but they would not give up on the last play call to affiliate they would not give up on the quarterback situation in the second drive they said that that wasn't the problem it was the holding call was the problem okay but you never did it again and you gave jordan travis the next series but then never gave him another snap but they wouldn't they would never admit that that was a problem or the tophilly running back situation they just instead of talking about why that was a a bad decision to let him have all those carries especially in short yardage they just talked about how good he was last year so they clearly were not going to give people what they wanted and admit mistakes but they also weren't like defiant about it right so to me it's like you can't walk out of that press conference either like furious because they didn't give you the pound of flesh or feeling good about changes they're gonna make all that matters now is that they do make those changes like we have to see they cannot be in situations like this again and coach and make similar mistakes again again i think if you're a coach you don't owe it to the fan base to break down every mistake you made in a game in which the result is devastating right you don't owe it to them to do that you can answer questions however vaguely or succinctly you want but i think it is in your best interest from a public relations standpoint to say less i don't it's not going to help you to keep talking when you do that when you continue to talk listen take a big step back and just say out loud everybody just say it out loud florida state lost to jacksonville state on saturday night there is nothing he can say about anything that's going to make any sense in the world as to how that could happen there's no need to break down play-by-play personnel first quarter last quarter you try to get in and out of there without dodging but you try to get in and out of there as succinctly as possible because you know that you screwed up beyond reason there's no other explanation listen yeah you know a few teams and and this is where you know i'll just come at it from the betting angle but vegas is is very down the line right they don't have a rooting interest per se do you know how few teams lose a football game as 27 point favorites at home doesn't happen it doesn't happen very often it does happen but it is very rare you know how few people do that it's it's rather remarkable it is it's hard to fathom that's why i say less is more in that situation but that's when you're not going to rip your coaches or your players so you just got to get in and get out and move it along but i guess that's the the ultimately what's important is do we think they learned from the from the the whole thing i mean like if they're in a situation again something similar are you going to coach to win the football game or are you going to do all the other stuff that they were doing that they they treated that game like a scrimmage like a like yeah an opportunity to prepare for later what's concerning about it is uh is that have you not been around this program for the last year year and a half like what made you think that the roc the players on a florida state football roster would take jacksonville state seriously that would be prepared they were prepared they played really well in the fourth quarter against notre dame what on earth makes you think they're just going to translate that over that's what i talked about last week i wanted to see them come out and play well at least take it seriously and play it and they weren't what made you think that they would be to the point where you run that nonsense the second series of the game and then you have jordan travis come in the third or fourth series like just just like almost like auditions like just just putting stuff on film for wake buddy you're in a game you can't until you get up 31 nothing on anyone don't don't start doing this uh i want to i don't want to call it mickey mouse but stuff that doesn't isn't really part of who you are yeah just to put stuff on film yeah a lot of good coaches and good teams will obviously take certain games less serious than others they won't admit that publicly but they do do that and they do try things they put things on tape for other opponents to have to prepare for but you have to be sure your team is prepared enough mature enough experienced enough to handle that you can't do it when the game is in the balance and you can't do it when you have a team with questionable talent lack of depth and no real confidence to build upon it's not like they've done a whole lot of winning around here lately so what do you think they were going to do in the second half of a close game did you think that they would rise up and believe in themselves what evidence do we have that they would i know that you could say well they played well in the fourth quarter against notre dame who backed everybody off and allowed you to run because they were letting you run clock and they did so too early and you got back in the game but there's no evidence that this team was going to play with it exuding confidence play to play in a situation like that you can't do that and that's my problem with the last play the last play call and again this is probably the last time we'll talk about it for a while we hope i may talk about the rest of my life but uh i'll never forget it i'm still shy on my deathbed when brady's telling me he loves me and my grandkids are there i'm late for that time brady if you ever get the call yeah defense back them up yeah tell jarvis brownlee to back up but but that's not what defensive backs in the game well that's my problem on that play is even if you were going to go with the approach that they went with you'd have to believe so confidently in your cornerbacks and your safeties that they would get the guy on the ground that there's those guys are my best players and there's no way they're gonna let they're not gonna there's no way they're gonna let somebody score from 60 yards out but how could you have that trust when these are the guys you you're playing that have not been dependable have not been part of winning programs have not had success so you put them in a situation like that that they've never been in apparently you've never really practiced and that happens so so the safer thing to do if you just wanted to win that football game think of the decisions you would have made if you're mike norvell and that coaching staff if all you want to do is win that football game oh sure from that play the way you defended that play to what you would have done with the quarterbacks you would have run the ball probably 60 times oh early in the game you said all right i'm going to abandon this it's not going to work these guys aren't mature enough we're not good enough let's just run the ball get out of here get our 14 17 point win and move on to the next game because you can't lose that game if they're playing seven dbs back if they're playing so sorry just take it take it take it take it take it instead they were trying to work in the passing game which i get you know especially if you think that transition to milton is the long term well now they have to second guess that and i know they declared in the start of this week we don't know if that's because they think a drop back passing game is coming and that it's going to be refined uh i don't think the statistics along the offensive front and percentage of pass plays in which the quarterback gets hit suggest that they should be going to that kind of an offense but okay maybe they see something different than i do fine but i will say there's other reasons that they may be doing that i don't know if jordan travis is completely healthy he doesn't look completely healthy to me i don't know if he is or he is not plus we saw the little blow up on the sideline which may or may not be anything could be something who knows all i know is that you sow the seeds of acrimony after a loss like that and now you've made your road to success he just tried to so what i would tell you is that at this point you just made your job that much more difficult and the trust level amongst your players the culture all the stuff we talk about plus the fan base forget the fan base the fan base has already decided you're done i mean all you got to do is go to warchief.com or any social media outlet the fans are done they well and who could blame them who could play who could you play when you lose to jacksonville you have to wear that going from where they were yes early i was texting dr burch who will talk about more in the second hour uh i'm sure she was pleased she but she just said you know the notre dame game was the most fun she's ever had at a loss you know like it was just a fun game because it looked like there was evidence and so tangible evidence and then you come back six days later and i get that players and coaches don't have to take a moral victory and say hey i'm proud of us no because most competitors hate losing no matter what even if you played well but fans rightfully saw a big step forward they saw growth so they walked out of the stadium mad that we lost but thought man at least there was some growth we've been so bad for so long at least i saw evidence of people trying in the right spots and they were physical they weren't catching tackles they were actually showing up and then they got a big old fat uncle steamer just all over them it really is stunning the uh that's the one the one issue i took with what mackenzie milton said after the game and i agree with his sentiment but he said this is what happens when you lose and people patch you on the back and tell you a good game no man that's not the fan's fault that's not the media's fault no that's what happens when you guys let that affect you yeah i was wondering like at ucf did they ever get pat on the back when they won 20-something games in a row i mean you know what i mean like some people handle it better win our loss some people handle it better and this team clearly doesn't handle it all and that's why i'm not i'm not punting on mike norbell i'm not saying he is a bad coach i'm saying you're not sure i'm certainly not where i was six days ago because that was that bad a loss i'll concede that i'm not as confident as i was that this turnaround is happening as fast as we hoped it would i can tell you that i i projected before the season of six and six campaign so clearly i didn't think they were world beaters even if i believed in this yeah this pencil is one of those dubs this one was a dump this one was a doe and i think but for me personally what i learned from the early years under jimbo was you can have awful games make terrible decisions as a head coach and get better and yes and that that at the time i was overly critical of jimbo because i was like man this guy just this ridiculous first time coach he listened to will championship in his first season i mean he was that awful florida team you let ej throw the ball 50 times when he's clearly not emotionally in the game yeah because of what was going on with his mother i mean it was just like dude what are you doing you're but he got better and i don't think he would make those mistakes you know years ago coaches make mistakes all the time rarely does it come back to bite you to this extent against that caliber of an opponent i mean it really is fabulously i mean it's unbelievable he had to have spent a few moments in a quiet room i don't know saturday at three o'clock in the morning or or sunday whenever it was after he got done vomiting yes yes projectile i mean he had to vomit i mean i just think that he had there's no way his stomach wasn't in knots enough not to vomit well i i know this again i almost i pulled an irish fella yeah i watched i pulled an irish fell i watched that press conference afterwards a couple different times and slowed it down to see his facial expressions as questions were being asked if you go back and look at that he is so soul searching he can barely even hear the questions because he is doing the damn phil collins far away stare in miami vice you know he is this is like my man knows i just presided over the worst loss in program history that's my name yeah that's attached to this he also knows all those boosters everything that alfred's trying to do everything that the university is trying to do everything is trying to do all the well the local economy all of it every bit of it all the goodwill he knew was gone instantaneously he also knew i was just gone now it's bad will well i was gonna say you went from hey i think this guy's got some things going too over his head yeah my face i don't see you anymore yeah yeah it's just like that's why i say there's nothing and you wrote about it on worksheet.com there's nothing he could say well just just hey guys i know you want to hear from me today we had a good practice see you saturday we're gonna try to win a football game maybe maybe they want to hear from me maybe you'll want to talk to me next week probably not but if you do i'll be around i'm still here it's it's impossible some of the headlines 933 real talk radio warchief tv [Music] this is tyler from bare no heating and air this summer you can save money and stay comfortable ask about our annual service agreement with no overtime charges ever at barrono heating and air we're always there for you online at barano 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maybe brady has a son or some daughter or something when they rattle off nine out of ten buddy you're gonna be well that's true that i'll jacksonville state will be a distant memory we're at the orange bowl at some point you'll realize that that anger and that vitriol is only hurting you it's not hurting the other side hold on to it you're mad you gotta let it go yeah it's well again what what bothers me is that again i think and i don't think this is hyperbole i think if the three of us are in charge of that game plan oh yeah there's no chance that we do worse we win the game i i believe that to be true well that's incredible jack john corbin traitor award would have combined for about 45 they have been exhausted they would have nothing left for wake yeah i'd be like getting ready jordan travis would have had about 11. there would have been seven passes thrown and we we win comfortably and move on and if we're not if we're not winning comfortably somehow all my all my dbs are at the 15-yard line yeah they're not they're not playing press man they're not 10 yards within the i know they weren't playing press man but they were within 10 yards the line of scrimmage nine guys on fourth and uh 60. i mean that's what it was what is a shame is we'll never get the opportunity to know the breakdown of communication i don't believe that that was the call i don't i don't think that they and he said it's it's two-man um it's too deep man under it's not but moreover i wouldn't have run that you've got to be in some sort of cover four quarters you got to be back i mean i i mean one of the things it looks to be on our side of the field sydney williams was like eight yards off the ball yeah no there's weird yeah they're saying it's one robber but here's the thing that i would say that no matter what it was i don't i have a hard time believing that was the call i don't i think there that's what i'm saying i wish we could know i wish we could be in a room where the person who made that call is getting screened down so i could know for sure that they're not that kind of ignorant of the situation but at the end of the day it all goes back to norvell because he's ultimately yeah he's got to be like what the hell are you doing yeah i mean there's no way yeah i don't blame adam i mean you can blame adam fuller but again i i think i brought this up in my column i didn't i'm meant to if in that moment when they're punting the ball back to jacksonville state with a minute and a half left 140 140 left when they put when they called timeouts yes before they if they if papua said fake fake fake if he calls a fake punt on his own norvell's like what are you doing no we're not fake punting right this is my team yeah i'm not i don't think he's going to explain it john john papoose you're not calling a play like that that is a game strategy call that is a head coach's call when there's six seconds left and it's fourth and sixty and you see your defensive coordinator putting putting a defense out there that looks like that well it's on you it's your team it was your loss yeah i just say fusion there you have somebody running off late i even think they might have been flagged on that play um they look confused just like they were in the wrong defense to play before where the kid just didn't see the receiver and that's why his coach was like corey i know you said this and i thought it as i watched it they ran a play no that's not a hail mary that's a play against the coverage they're going oh you're going to let us do that and then you let somebody get over top which that's just situationally poor the player kind of has to know have enough wherewithal to know that the same player also just chose not to tackle him i mean i think it was really strong the whole thing was just crazy i mean so much about it was crazy but and that's the problem that you know norvell's gonna have to the point you were making the last segment is he's lost that love and feeling no no like even if people weren't sold out even if people weren't playing even people weren't sold on him and i'm talking about fans former players right donors even if they weren't sold at least there was like uh there they didn't have any evidence to the contrary that these good coaches now don't do that very big data point they got so now so now as corey's saying now they're like now they're going to question everything that's done it's like well if you could do that then how do i trust you in this situation well let's let's push it forward for a second because i think this is another problem okay so if we just call that a a bad day at the office boy historically bad day at the office everything you could do wrong you did wrong and it cost you dearly and now that's in the rear view you have to move forward you have no choice you can't undo it here's my concern let's say we believe that the team has bought in this entire time to this coaching staff to mike norvell's messaging and to work ethic and preparation and all that because i think we kind of do believe that i mean i it maybe could call into question after this last game but i do think we think that they may not be good enough to go win the game that's the problem i think they'll go play hard and i think the defense is good enough to slow wake forest way down i think i think it's a lower scoring game i don't think wake forest is going to go up and down the field because i think that front four is legit for florida state by the way they played pretty well most of the game on defense and then until the last two drives and the whole key against wake forest offense especially the running game is being disciplined right and they've they've shown the notre dame game they showed a lot of this oh a ton of discipline so i think they'll shut down wake's offense which means they'll be in the game they'll have a chance to win the game okay this guy that's nice all right so here's the thing but they may not be good enough to win the game even if effort is there even if scheme is there even if those kids buy in and play hard physically and mentally they do all the things they're supposed to do because that line sucks and it's banged up their own ryan sucks remember this banged up that dillingham said before the season he they felt good about eight guys right he actually said seven maybe seven maybe eight well maurice smith's hurt still robert scott we don't know um either well yeah he came out of the game maurice smith didn't play he just did and then just have a good day dante lucas is done well thank goodness uh right but he was one of these seven or eight yeah he was not on the list now you're down to four or five you feel good about one of them's in uh engagement bliss you don't know how excited he is to to play football he's he's going to keep bringing that up well no i mean that was it was a big moment but i'm saying he's got other things on his mind maybe he's got a wedding i don't think they're winning my man but yeah but in the problem with you know like so baby ons you're you know your top back up at either the guard spots but he's also your center when maurice smith is at that yeah so it's like a competition it's just a bummer you think so maurice smith and in robert scott specifically priority christmas their best player is their best offensive lineman either dlt well dlt is not what he was a year ago because of the injury and he didn't get to sure rehab and do this i mean he rehab but he didn't get stronger and better yeah that's why they had to move into guard but you know you're kind of down two of your three best guys so this would be my point you don't have a lot of great guys you could have all the buy-in in the world you can have all the commitment in the world you could go play really well and hard on defense and be in the game but you may not be good enough to block it up and win the game not the way you called your offense saturday night well you just kill the offensive line wasn't good last year either at all but jordan travis can do some things that uh uh you know at least we need we need to have the quarterback to beat we can do it in this segment or are we doing it next may or where are we at because because the quarterback debate i think is there's a lot of meat on that bone i guess i mean we're going to have it all year long i think because i think both are going to have to play yeah but my point is that i was talking with aslan on a wakeup work chain about it because he thought i was saying that jordan travis is a better quarterback than mckenzie milton i'm not saying you're saying for what we want this team yeah he may have to be because i don't disagree with that well you know that mackenzie milton can do some things they average 3.9 yards per pass play that's incredible against the fcs school so what are they going in what are they going to do this week what are the weeks that follow milton has a skill set that i don't think can be exploited because the receivers aren't very good receivers and the line can't block but i think the question is i think the question that they're asking themselves is it's not like they're oblivious the jordan travis well maybe they were on saturday but jordan travis could have won that football game without question he put up 41 on them last year so the question i think that they're asking themselves is are we looking for the short-term answer are we looking for the long-term answer who's going to help us win games in october november right look i know it's funny now right but they thought they were going to beat jackson yesterday yeah they were incorrect but my point is so so jordan they may have looked at like you know what jordan travis may could win could win this game but he's not going to our ceiling goes higher with milton where's milton if we can get the passing game if you can block it up and i'm not sure they can because they're not healthy up front and they're not talented that's a deadly combination and then secondarily your receivers aren't very good or experienced in certain places so i don't know what you do there man they are in a tough bind here because obviously you have to run something but this week they announced mckenzie's the starter so is jordan travis what's is he mentally checked out is he not healthy i don't know i'm speculating i do not know this it's not it's an odd time to yank that ore away what did he say today what do you yeah he's gonna give an answer i mean people who just said that they like the things that mckenzie was giving him in terms of like the energy he brings to the leaders i mean don't you have to imagine that wake's still planning for jordan travis too though like or do you think they're just like no we're gonna go strictly on what they did against jacksonville state because they said they wanted to keep it like i thought they're going to keep an open ended all year yeah and have that ore kind of all year and then they just took it away after a game where you averaged 3.9 yards per pass in uh and scored 17 points you scored three in the second half on a 53 yard field goal i'm sure wake is going to prepare for both but can we install the option i mean i would go straight with the bone yeah cool yeah uh what's his name at navy man just paul johnson what's he doing here's the problem jordan gets hurt every time he's tackled yeah you can't just run him like you want to use this he's always hurt yeah you ride him until he's done two plays in the game and then you go with corbin just more wow we're not going down that road again i can't watch that anymore i don't they did really well with it last year where they where they struggled with it in this game i thought was they they were still predictable with it and it was took so long like i and kenny dillingham was defending it yesterday without even being asked about it yeah he clearly wanted to do that with toe filly too he wanted to bring that up which is fine but like the explanation that we take when we take the quarterback out we would take a hat out of the equation okay but if they know you're not going to throw it ever then you lose that because jacksonville state just put nine guys in the box they've never run anything off of it to give them something to think about and you that will get taken away and just like that but it was it was something that worked for him a good bit last year it did but so now all that it struggles in one game and now it's a dumb thing to do i don't necessarily believe that i do think maybe you need to do some different things with it right um especially if you know you can't block all that well um but you know i just think you can have corbin and ward back there together i don't i that to me on third and one right that's better than just i wasn't handing it off to corbin yeah i mean i guess man i just i think at least the milton's in there on third and two there's a possibility you might be throwing the ball if you only have quarterback there they've shown they've never oh when milton's in the game look you're right about that but when milton's in the game you lose the man advantage that you have when jt's in the game to run the ball yeah so yeah i mean i don't know that they're good enough to line up and get two yards running clearly i don't know that they're good enough to line up and and run in short yard situations and pick that they clearly think they do i think they clearly think that when mackenzie milton running the offense they could be more productive as the year goes on then they could the top end would be with jordan travis to me that's the only that's what they're saying by taking away the ore like this we have to commit to this and get better because with jordan there's only a limit to where we're going well let's hope they're right otherwise it's a whole heap in helping of losses that's going to be um another cleveland hey you know oddly oddly and we've got to go to break oddly we said before the season no matter what our record predictions were what is it five wins or ten wins or four wins or eight wins this would be the biggest game of the year boy this weight game really was always circled out as the one guys whether they were two-and-oh this was gonna be the one right here hey it's the acc opener yeah let's go wyatt rector today said uh they can't win the acc championship i mean they you know they're trying to win an acc championship he he didn't say we can't win these right like he was basically saying we can't win the acc championship unless we go win this game today oh that's not true why you could lose this one and then win all the rest of the acc games you never know i might have misquoted you wyatt i apologize but either way he's right hey he said it's a clean slate there's a good chance courtney wasn't listening it's a clean slate it's uh you got all these conference games let's go i was talking about yeah charlie i'll make it up as i 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in the break about traveling or about travel you can't lose travis hunter yeah like and we're talking about whatever it takes yeah oh whatever you got to do you can't lose travis hunter he's the reason the class looks like it does at least verbally uh and he's the reason that anybody has any hope whatsoever think about all the boosters and the people who are watching knowing that this was always going to be a blah year now they didn't think it would be an unmitigated disaster we need to try to avoid that but they didn't think it wasn't like fsu was playing to win the atlantic so they're sitting back going the cavalry's coming look at that class we're gonna raise the floor significantly of what's possible with the talent we're bringing in he has to fight like hell to get to five and whatever or to keep whatever it takes to get that class just to get a flight hey that would that was a dub oh no off the table you got to find a way to win five games and yeah you know you're fighting with plays from being two and up though in like 14th in the country i know when you think about it you know you know listen you brought up quarterback aj duffy looks to be considerably more talented than what they have on the roster so he's a guy that you have to say yes you got to get him to stay committed travis hunter has to stay committed there's a series of guys there that you look at and you say or you know if they get these eight guys they're gonna they're gonna start to turn the corner hold on what it represents what it represents though is if they say i'm reopening my recruitment i'm taking this visit in that visit well you kitty bar the door buddy you may never be able to overcome this kind of setback may never what what is fuller's contract is it a two-year deal it was a three-year deal before last season he's got one more second game no no i'm asking for a reason it's happened what does he make uh i think like 800 maybe somewhere 800 900 somewhere in there okay so you're norvelle you go to adam fuller and say look man love you you're a really nice guy i love the accent we have a lot of fun together i'm taking i have a thing for new englanders i'm taking half your salary if you want to keep this job i'm taking half your salary i'm giving it and it's going to sowwani georgia to the hunter family yeah or you can resign but those are you know what that's called in the mafia it's called taking a haircut oh is it really yes okay you walk in and you say to your boy you're gonna take a haircut yeah and he looks at you funny and you're like gotta happen look you're still the florida state defensive coordinator and you're still getting paid for it and nobody will know it yeah mafia you get to live yeah yeah that's right you live hey there's 400 right there and then obviously mike norvell gets what three and a half what do we what do you think so it's another he takes another 800. so we're redirecting funds now to travis hunter we're getting that literally you have to you you really do like if you lose him where there's no the the fan i mean i can't even imagine what the reaction would be from florida it's it's imperative you keep him and there's nil now it's a lot of above the table money but travis hunter needs to be um financially compensated to ensure his arrival like the ohio state quarterback that's making sev you know i know ira always gets uncomfortable with these conversations but it's a different why would i i don't know that's just the weirdest thing on the radio and youtube it's not a violation anymore man yeah just put it under uh yeah craft nissan's got you covered that's a weird weirdo it's uncomfortable when you start talking no no i just think obviously well listen i've been talking openly about the need to feed these guys healthy amounts of steroids to catch up to the bama table and i don't think we're doing it we we need to work in the stairs yeah they're getting like the bargain basement i think they're on creatine we need to get straight to the steroids what are we going to do yeah let's go 35. so what do you expect all right you said you don't think that they're necessarily good enough to beat wakefield no i said i'm worried they're not good enough i did i did i picked him yesterday i picked him to go win the game all right and i am taking him with the points plus six what if they lose 40 to seven you know but seriously like that is a possibility i did not think that was a possibility seven days ago well then we'll know exactly what's happened he's lost the locker room he's lost everybody well then they could go over except for you matt but like that's the the even willys last year after the debacle which boise state and then louisiana monroe having to survive a p.a.t you're like man they're gonna we were like at least i was like they're gonna go to virginia and get beat by five touchdowns i went to that game and they were in one they were in the game and they did the whole time and then they lost again they did some weird things at the end what happens but they fought in that game in that game so but they did in most of those games yeah and this team fought against notre dame yeah yeah that's right but would it not be a horrible sign right if they go up there and look like they did or something like that yeah it would man but that's what that's what bad teams do also is like it'll be up and down like you said that's why you were right to last week wonder what they were going to look like in this game i thought that the coaching staff would make sure that didn't happen i was incorrect um so that but that's definitely in the team uh yeah i think i'd be surprised if that happens but man you know i would be a ruler but that's that's a possibility and it's with some i know where he'll read questions to the second hour but i have to eric made me laugh if we lose 40 to seven norvell's christmas tree will be on his pumpkin his uh jack-o'-lantern will be thrown out of the road jim jimbo will break into his house there's been a report that the norfolk family pumpkin is on the curb everybody at least until december oh man i don't know what to say i don't know what i mean i was absolutely gobsmacked i couldn't believe when that ball was in the air i was like okay okay oh no tackle oh my god you think you know what i was thinking about that because i was trying to like i've watched that play so many times trying to figure out what's going through the mindset of the db's and i really think it was like one of those plays you know like sometimes in baseball even immediately put a kid out in left field don't hit it to me don't hit it to me no but even like in major league baseball there will be a play sometimes where like a guy just has a brain fart like he catches and like looks at one base yeah he doesn't throw it yeah everybody's safe you're like yeah it's like that it was almost like i really felt like maybe he felt like okay once he caught it it's over or because he wasn't in the end zone yet when the clock expired it's over i don't more like he was worried about him well that isn't lateral well that was the part about when norvell said that they froze up that was the part those two individuals i agreed froze up once the ball was caught but everything that preceded that is how you know that's the also we've ignored largely this hour just how f and bad that offense was for the entirety of that game despicable it was the reason they were in the predicament they were in was because of the offense and completely because of decisions by the coaching center yeah yeah that's where they really did hang them out the drive was the offensive game plan also i don't know how many times you're going to do this but put yourself behind the chains with the these dumb ass penalties where you really you're not good enough anyhow but you really can't be first and 15 second and 20 all afternoon all night you can't six offensive penalties in the second half six yeah well a lot of them yeah but they but he's no longer here but like you know wouldn't that be something that they just started cutting yes you take it off get off take your stuff get it off right now walk out with this nonsense take your helmet off sorry ass but uh in dillingham brought that up uh yesterday when he was talking about he brought up a a little bit too much for my taste actually he kept saying well you can't you can't move the ball we you can't you can't operate in first and fifteen first and two well he's running this offense can't your offense can't a lot of offenses around the country can survive a five yard illegal man down field penalty your offense might as well punt that's not a good sign well that that offensively but that's a it's going to be an issue against better teams it was not a big issue in that game so if you if you're any defense facing florida state right now knowing that that offensive line is what it is and knowing that they aren't real good out on the edges don't you just play press on the edges and stack the box and say ah beat us you sorry asses beat us i don't think you can well no well you just do what jacksonville state did because no because they'll run the ball they'll run no but they'll they'll have a penalty and they'll go from second two to second 14 and that's a wrap on the driver you're certainly not going to in the game assuming that you're going to have this and that's what that's what dillingham even said when i asked him about travis because he talked about after the it was the whole thing was weird they they so built up jordan travis after the notre dame game like he's a big part of the he's a big part of the team we did a lot of great things with him in that game to then not play them but that's fine um but he mentioned that in that notre dame game maybe corbin doesn't hit that big run if milton's the quarterback like it opens things up it sure does so then his point was you know they're not efficient enough right now to move the ball in 12 plays down the field that or they weren't that night and it's like okay yeah because you can't make big plays with that kid at quarterback i don't think because teams won't allow you to do well but you let's go back to something here because i think this is something worth asking and i think it's why i'm concerned well except for helton dropping what should have been a 50-yard touchdown um i what is the status of jordan travis i don't know i'm talking about uh whether it's health or frustration or whatever it might be i got to know how we arrived at the idea that we're just going to go mackenzie milton on the depth chart when it was released this week that he's the guy so what allowed them to arrive at that decision right what did they say i mean i think it's a conscious decision that they think that that's the answer i think not i think rinaldi bullied him into it with the game day feature it's like i'll come down there and do it but please let him start 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they do to overcome them he's got one now did you guys listen to the i would i should have mentioned tom earlier i wish we could get the clip of the call of the last play by dekkerhoff and will your boy william floyd my boy was probably pissed it's the anger in his voice when like literally well think about how i've been building building to that point like oh yeah all the slop the nonsense we saw in that game that night and then it comes to that play and he sees that they're in an absolutely absurd yeah what is it so before the play he's like all right you just can't let him get behind you or six seconds left you can't go yeah like he does and then the guy gets by and catches it and floyd's like that can't happen that's the one i just said i in the way he said that he's like i just said like they were listening to him yeah like i just told you yeah i just told them to not let him get behind him how could they let him get behind him throws his head down i'm sure dude he the rage in his voice is he probably started like shaking the table like started pounding the table and decker hoff's like trying to be the pro and like oh yeah celebrate you would you florida state one might have done it uh yeah the way he gets excited for both teams but yeah william floyd i think he would struggle in that role because he makes guttural noises when they do good things yeah i can't imagine the guttural noise william would make with something like that so think about he's a true seminal man he loves this program and that was a heartbreaker yeah it's gonna be tough man it's gonna be tough for norvell in this coaching staff because those are the conversations that he's done a really good job of embracing the former players a lot of them brian allen when when we interviewed brian out a few weeks ago about shaheen brown he said that he he just loved the way mike norvell reached out to him and when he took the job he didn't just send a note or an email or a mass text to all the former players like he's reached out to these former players and really tried to engage them and i think they were buying in especially after what happened with willie taggart they were buying into what he's doing and then to have a game like that and those guys know like they know that that game was on the coaching staff the coaching staff knows it's on them too and this is where i get back to you lost a lot there you lost a lot from those important alumni and people that really do and the thing is those those guys aren't blind a lot of those former players a lot of those people that are invested and also have the expertise behind the fandom because they played and they they also know what it takes to lead and from a distance many of them have gone on to the pros and seen how a well-run organization operates they were bought in because there was evidence to believe it it wasn't random that everybody bought into this yeah some of them have watched practice yeah they've been to practice they've talked to the players they've talked to the coaches like people think you just choose to believe because you want to no no they're talking to players they're talking to coaches they're talking to the players on this team those players are telling them yeah this is different this is better we're excited about that's why what happened is is kind of a mystery in in some ways um yeah i don't think he thought in a million years that that could happen well and that's to the point with the very top of the hour we discuss whether or not we're still convinced he's a good coach i am just because of what we see in practice now if i if we never saw practices i'd be like man i have no idea i have no idea but i have seen the practice i've seen how he coaches i've seen how he handles situations i believe in that but on games our music's playing you out but things you might have got away with on game day at memphis you can't get away with it hour number two headliner questions forthcoming stay 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science with that soccer team yeah maybe we should do that here we go i think they're six and oh they're number one in the country they're six and a half really good yeah they they were playing their sixth game against auburn they beat them who's another top 10 team and one of the stats the fsu soccer twitter account was christina roach is her name right rock is the michelle she's like rogue with the first her first save of the year they're in game six and she made her first save of the year man that's like when you get five games into an alabama season and the punter has punted one yeah yeah yeah he's averaging one punt everything is in some of their goals and maybe we'll just start talking about soccer let's do it man their goals are instead let's go their first goal the other night in the in 27 seconds they've they've had two they've had two or three goals this year where they're just like you've got to be kidding me it's like playing chess against the grand master like two moves in check yeah what i got a bunch of is on the board this can't be yeah no it's it's brutal it's uh we gotta get straight for soccer questions here we go let it begin chris writes with all the negativity going on in the world why on earth should i watch this team you're right you don't have to nobody's making you watch this team you don't have to watch this team hey chris a lot of people are going to choose this weekend to not watch this team i think they'll watch this one just out of curiosity yeah i think if this one goes poorly that might be a wrap on the first this is like this is driving down the highway you see some flashing lights on the other side you're thinking is that somebody just get pulled over right or is that an accident let me should i help look at the left lane and see if i can see what that is yeah just to see what it is and then yeah they realize maybe it's a an inferno yeah and that's maybe what the season is or it could just be maybe saturday was just a ticket yeah it's just getting a ticket i don't know i think it's more than a ticket i think it got popped with some drugs in the car yeah there's some other stuff going on there might have just originally started as a ticket and now it's like what do we got here uh kyle right thanks for all the great content you guys give us i was a student for the 30 to nothing weight game in the rain and i didn't think i could feel worse than that as an fsu fan then saturday happened has corbin ever not kept it on the wildcat what if this is the ultimate long game and we see an 80 yard touchdown pass from him this saturday to milton because they're just gonna stop covering wide he'll catch it yeah and even the wake forest game though i think this is worse than that because oh this is worse two days later jeff bowden got fired yeah that was he brought you jimbo fisher and you knew that was coming he knew it was coming like that was the there was no there was nowhere to go after that but we have to make some decisions so you had a little hope walking out of that state that things will change this is a guy in game two of year two that you thought had turned it around with such a good performance on on the the opener and then to just have it you know melt away it's we're contractually obligated for me to do this so the weight game was a game and my father comes into the conversation he uh my dad was i was at that game with my dad well my dad got upset with me because obviously i had been partaking well no i had been telling people for how long all these changes need to be made uh and and so we're leaving the stadium he goes you seem way too chipper because i was like alrighty well that's a tough one and uh i go if only somebody had seen that coming and he's like enough yeah enough and i'll say well keep him keep him around you know hey why not how long he'll turn it around how long did you did you guys stay for the whole game yeah uh my dad didn't but shannon and i did we stayed behind i don't remember that they were going to fire jeff out on the field i was wondering if uh renegade i'll tell the renegade wouldn't spear him um i think we're gonna i think they put xavier lee back in for the last drive we're going to see if hold on it's a little bit like a car accident i couldn't help but continue to watch well and i did you know you don't want to you don't want the team you're cheering for at the time to get shut out because that's all i remember being in the press box knowing how crappy the weather was since and just looking at the people in the stands thinking what are they doing like why are they and it was raining here they were in a state of shock miserable and it was cold and raining too it wasn't just raining it was cold yeah i remember thinking this is looks like our last trip to winston-salem that lake forest game uh nathan writes this saturday's debacle was the first time my faith in norvell and the program uh has been shaken yeah how many wins this season does he need in order to save this sinking ship well if by sinking ship you mean that recruiting class uh i think you've got to get to four yeah probably i mean i guess who knows who can know or you can go back and listen to the first hour and week we've already devised a plan where travis hunter you don't have to worry about it he's coming so i like where zach's mind's at i don't know that this will turn out that way but perhaps and it's worth revisiting zach writes jacksonville state could be to norvell what ulm was to saban right a turning point that helps us reel off six national championships in 13 years one can dream yeah i mean i'm trying to figure out how it won't be like that because i feel like the truth the first thing i said to my son when we were going to bed the other night so don't worry about it son championships coming down the pike buddy any day now i thought it started out the ulm game that willie had because that didn't really uh spawn great things yeah blocking an extra point to win a game against he just missed it and they celebrated like they had won the national championship well so here's the thing though about that like they in 2009 again not a great year in florida state history they almost lost to that jacksonville state team they had to drive in the chair with 30 seconds left um and then in 1989 scheduling them by the way yeah you know you're supposed to be a doug we're not good enough and then in 1988 they were only up 10 to 7 on georgia southern in the fourth quarter and now that was a good georgia southern team but it was still a division or an unreal georgia southern it was a one double a team yeah and you're you're number three in the country in one a and you're you're losing in the fourth quarter so there have been close calls oh no no it's littered throughout the country yeah people get very uh they're prisoners of the moment is what i should say i'm not excusing away that loss it's inexcusable yeah uh but i would say especially the way it happened but i would say that you could go back just go ahead and look at any number of coaches especially even legendary coaches careers and you'll find blights on that resume where you go what in the hell i mean weird things happen it does happen and he's right to bring up you know obviously what happened with nick saban i think he's being facetious he is being faced but the problem is of course nick had more to fall back on he had a little more cash check he had had some success prior to that unbelievable loss yes uh since the season is once again over in september writes preston can we get some more of cory's interesting marriage counseling stories he told one on wake up war chant that was pretty compelling more compelling than watching the wildcat every saturday i feel like we could hand down the wow i didn't know y'all i didn't know the wild cat was taking such a meeting it was heading that way and then saturday but they didn't they say the only touchdown that milton had against notre dame was a while was this treyshawn ward from the wildcat wildcat sucks i mean that's what it is you do what you can my my uh my marriage counseling story was that um real quick went to marriage counseling with shanna it clearly took happily ever after get your money back so you know somebody will correct me on this sorry uh side note somebody'll correct me on this i don't know of anybody that i've ever known who have that's redundant that's ever gone in marriage counseling and had it work well i'm sure i'm sure it has but i've never met anybody but usually when you find out somebody's divorce and you talk to them if it ever comes up and they say well we went to counseling invariably it leads to it didn't work and we got a divorce the best news the marriage counseling was that the the the therapist uh diagnosed me with adult adhd so she's like look i know you she's like i know you get upset when he doesn't do the take out the trash on time do the dishes or he doesn't pick up his clothes but sometimes it's really hard for corey to focus so any time for the next the rest of our marriage if i didn't take out the dishes or or you know put the dishes in the dishwasher and shannon would be like why do you keep leaving them in the sink i'm like babe i just can't my adhd keeps flaring up wouldn't this be great what are we doing you think your wife would care i have a condition i'm trying my best here so she that didn't take well no uh jeremy writes when the program dissolves in two weeks which other college would you guys most like to cover and why uh i mean i think i'd be bored covering alabama yeah and you don't talk to anyone except saban twice a week and he's always cantankerous you see his press conference this week no no he was furious same thing always cough button i'm not even trying anymore i'm just moving the mic away um not georgia because kirby's just a mini sabin i don't know that's a good question well you'd have to move to wherever that is so think about a region of the country you'd like to live in and then try to find a program that is on the comm that's on the rise that's a program that would be fun to watch build that's climbing i'd go back to covering high schools i'd go to jacksonville state i liked what they did i like their coach i like that i think i'm off to l.a boys la la land i'm covering ucla that's not a bad idea let's go cover that usc coaching they fired hilton yeah there you go uh this guy wants to know see this i gotta skip over a lot of these things you gotta be careful with these questions this week is this program cursed is what ryan wants to know he just believes now that the program is cursed he wants to know who put the curse on the program is it cursed uh also brent writes when you all did the wz l's prediction game before the season started why was the w plural yeah good point that's a very good point it's a good question um should have should we should have done our w and l's prediction one w and a bunch of else where where do we get that where is it it's a needle in the haystack all right uh kayvon writes in 2013 we had a catalyst red lightning although in much different situations we need a catalyst in 2021 ira shave your head complete the trilogy of bald no nation needs you now fulfill your destiny just try it man just try it nope not even for flo not even for norvell not even for this program nope what if somebody said they're getting a 7-5 if you shave your head nope oh man well there you go folks you see how much ira cares that's my commitment you could wear a hat dude like this guy does well i bawled all the time though i i often i know you're not hiding it but i'm saying if it looks terrible on ira which it might um he could still write you know it's an underrated thing about you are is that when you do wear a hat it's surprisingly for me surprises me that it looks that good it looks great i don't know why because i would always show off the the gray i love the grid the silver fox look is solid but when you wear the helmet it looks good on ira yeah not everybody can pull off a hat corey looks clunky when he wears that it doesn't make any sense it's all goofy and sideways and lumpy just it's straight even he'll admit that oh absolutely i can't wear a hat anymore tripp writes howdy gentlemen historically speaking staffs who have lost these types of games fc upsets fcs upsets do not survive primarily because great coaching staffs don't lose these types of games to fcs opponents however are we too poor and it's too early to throw in the towel on this group of coaches just yet so what is the fine line they must walk for the remainder of the year in order to get to riding this ship um and then he wrote hashtag john harbaugh would never um yeah what what do you think yeah well the thing is man it's it's look i get it people are pissed and they have every right to be pissed but the idea of even talking about firing a coach after 11 games 11 who's taking this job like this this is not there's a lot of issues at florida state when you talk about the money the facilities i'm not saying it's as bad as some people make it out to be but it ain't the greatest and if you just fired two head coaches in under two years or two years and or less i mean you're crazy there's nobody's gonna take a rebuilding job where you get fired in less than two years it was a risk it was a risk to fire willy when they did despite the mountain of evidence both on and off the field that you needed to there was real discussion about keeping him even though they knew he wasn't going to win or turn this around there was still discussion about keeping him until certain things happened and they went okay that's it but they knew that that means you are dedicated to a massive rebuild once you do that and you could not compound that by firing again i mean you talk about he brings up the point about coaches that lose these type of games and whether or not they ever survive look at the schools that fire coaches every two or three years they all suck oh yeah they never over and over again you don't get out of that cycle because every time you have a coaching change you have attrition on the roster and then the next guy comes in and he's trying to run the roster trying to replace it there's no continuity that's an endless cycle so it might be i mean so no they're not fired everybody needs to focus on especially people in the administration and they need to do whatever they need to do now if that means making changes on the coaching staff at the end of the season which they may have to do then going out and getting the people you have to get on the staff now you go back to one of the things i was talking to somebody a former player about yesterday is when you look at when he was trying to put together the staff and he wanted to hire dan laning from georgia and they couldn't do it because kirby gave him a raise and they hired adam fuller and that's fine maybe adam fuller will figure it out but you had a chance to maybe get a guy that could be the guy like an awesome defensive coordinator and you chose not to because you didn't want to get into that kind of bidding war well here you are and so those so now if you have to go back out and hire assistants again are you looking for the next walt bell or are you going to invest do what clemson did with dabo mm-hmm and you went surround him with yeah and they knew dabo couldn't coach so they went and got guys i'm not saying norvell can't i'm just saying yeah don't you want to shoot every bullet you've got right now and maybe try to make this work as opposed to thinking man in a year or two we're going to be doing this you you almost like look we can say they're not going to fire him if he goes one and 11 there'll be discussions and there should be you will go on one and 11 would be insanity with this schedule you have umass and jacksonville state in an awful syracuse and awful louisville anyway but that said you're right the only way florida state will be good in 2022 is if mike norvel's the head coach probably the same for 2023. there have been some quick turnarounds but the only way florida state will be any good at all is if mike norvell's that and we're not saying he will be that's exactly right that's your only chance but you whatever you have to do in terms of putting that staff around him i mean you're gonna end up paying one way or the other so either pay him to go away in a couple years like you did with willie or pay what you have to do to get him the staff he needs if that's what it is and also the players he needs guys ignoring this very important we need to make sure everybody who needs to be paid is paid i don't know what you're doing what i'm trying to win some football games around here and you say nobody nobody would take the job if norvell got fired i bet travis hunter's dad would take it i bet he'd take it all headlines 93 3 real talk radio and war chant tv 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headlines that was the equivalent of calling that defense yeah there it was i got no choice actually i'm more prepared i made a play made a decision in the moment that makes sense somebody's got to get there ira she's going to get there in time and we'll be all right what kind of furniture are we getting two new couches oh two new couches you broke the ones last on saturday night uh burn them no yeah i will now whole neighborhood get involved maybe tribal uh no so i i i finally pulled the trigger i'm so picky when it comes to furniture and stuff like that i've needed new couches for years and i finally decided that's it that's all we're doing it but they give you these huge windows as to when they're coming you let the dogs on the couches uh we do but not these new ones so there's enough time for the new for the dogs they're gonna be like what's cool what gives we had daisy for 14 years and kim would not let daisy on our furniture not that we had nice furniture but kim just did not want the dog in the furniture the dog here is a mess well yeah that's right it was an australian shepherd hello so daisy passes away god bless your soul yes and uh we replace daisy well you can't replace daisy you just and from day one he goes on the couch oh nico's like i got it and i'm like daisy's looking down what is this 14 years i was on the floor yeah yeah well i bought two big dog beds for them that they're gonna have to get used to comfortable i want to lay in them all right james writes great job by everyone reporting on and analyzing a debacle that well could result in mike novell being a dead man walking at fsu if they don't win the next three games are you concerned that's a bit of a high bar james i i like the theme though here we go are you concerned that adam four aggressively justified his defensive play call on the last play of the game i understand that he won't publicly admit an error but aggressively justifying the air indicates he's too arrogant or lacking in common sense to learn from his mistakes which means he's not going to get better i don't see that's the thing i don't think he was aggressively defending it he was explaining how it could have worked yes you know it wasn't like oh no that was see like like jimbo that call they had when it gets miami when miami yeah they're already in field goal range yeah yeah and you're playing man you're playing man-to-man press coverage with like eight seconds you've got derwent james covering a tight hand yeah and it's just i mean that was and that was aggressively defending it jimbo would aggressively defend his i don't think adam fuller was i think he was just saying hey you know it could have worked what we called could have worked it should have worked and that's maybe true but it doesn't mean it was the best call i think they had to learn from it you would have to believe and look he did he was answering my well our questions like he was just answering questions about what the call was supposed to be what it was and he said yeah we'd like to have him further back you know you know i would think somebody'd be like get them all back you know that would have that would have been me on the sideline but either way he was i think he was just explaining it and as i pointed out a wake-up word champ when louisville put up a hundred points against florida state in 2016. there's only 63. we heard from demarcus walker it is cool that we get to hear from the play caller himself and he he said he's like i understand you're asking because i i kind of half apologize because i kept going back to that play well it's five good questions right um but there are other problems there too like the drive before they gave up two touchdown passes on the drive before that were wide open but either way um i kind of like sorry i'm bringing this up again but he's like no no go ahead and then afterwards like look i get it we're trying to explain to people what happened so ask as many questions as you want it's fine um so i don't i don't i didn't feel like he was like i said we all said this immediately following the game we said that one thing we've learned about these coaches and it's good you know you don't get a huge pat on the back it's like mike norvell said after the notre dame game you don't get credit for trying and competing and not quitting that's that's a little bit low minimum well i feel similarly here but it doesn't happen everywhere so it should be pointed out that norvell rightfully took full responsibility for the loss apologized to the fans players everybody else and fuller took responsibility for what happened there and was willing to sit and answer questions about it i'm glad i mean it's not a good look if all of a sudden you're indignant questions did you like when he snuck in right away when he was asked about because he knew the questions were coming he's like look would we rather not be in that spot where it comes down to the final play yes but it's like i would take a shot at the offense too like i know we screwed up on 4th and 60. but how are we scoring uab put put up 31 on those guys um how are we only putting up 17 points with our offensive minds but yeah like i don't think i don't think that they were defiance on any of those answers any of those topics they just weren't going to right yeah they weren't going to say they're not going to bow down yeah well the reality is and i i just i it's i just didn't like dillingham's answers i don't like the thought of saying we have a rotation a running back lt had averaged all these carry all these yards per carry last year it's like last year has nothing to do with nothing that's what i'm saying but that's what that the they're explaining what they're doing but my point is like we just have to watch it now yeah we just have to see it yeah if if it happens again if you're in a situation like that again and sophia who had already not not performed well on short yardage before yeah if that happens again then then you could oh no now you've got real problems now you've got real problems because they are not seeing things that they should be it would also be nice if they could adjust in the moment and be like you know what it's not he doesn't have it today sometimes starting poker somebody brought up the fact that i needed to bring back the one two three leon washington chant because back in the day how jeff bowden and them would would have one of the booker in the game instead of leon washington and leon washington was the fastest superior player and i started the chant every afternoon one two three leon washington just to remind the coaches that he was right on the team my favorite was when i think it was pk sam or graffonzo thorpe one of those guys they were like yeah we're glad that we're seniors now and we can never come out of the game because like the receivers did their own rotation they rotated themselves they just would decide oh i need a blow i'll come out but if not i'm going to play every snack yeah i'll just be out there and so when they would get to be seniors they're like and it's just crazy that it's almost indefensible as almost as indefensible as that last defensive play call that tohafili had more carries than uh than treyshawn ward and he had more carries in the second half than corbin or at least more carries in the fourth quarter the game is on the line man you have to have your best offensive players in that moment and i think toa feeling could be good i'm not punting on him but you can't just say he's a really good player we want to get him touches too and no in the moment and if you're going to throw the if you're going to throw that fade never throw the fade but ever if you're going to do that then just take the three points because the chances of you hitting that were not very good and that's that watches practice a lot there's not a high completion percentage on that pass when they throw it up doesn't seem to work much so so why wouldn't you just take the three points then at that point you don't you could take the field goal off the equation with six seconds left because they're down six it's also fun it's a reminder of how much you love the tunnel screen back in the day um yeah well it never worked but i do like the tunnel screaming that we didn't know that they couldn't run it and the fade is nuts eric right i'm hoping things get turned around sooner rather than later i will say that i'm looking forward to seeing ira tweet out a new set of vacation photos during the clemson game yeah i thought we were past those days now but yeah we might i don't know man david wants to know how are we not the nebraska or the south at this point fair enough i mean we're trending in that direction i often compare the two programs they've been sadder sorry longer but uh i think again i know the recruiting you're going to have the recruiting i'm just saying on the field results right now oh that's very very very nebraska is better than florida state right now if you go with on-field recruits i unfeel the results but my point is the potential of the two programs in my eyes are still vastly different because i think if you get the right coach in here and hey we it might be here but if you when you get the right coach in here it will take off i think it's not quite kentucky basketball but it's close kentucky basketball was kind of sucky the end of tubby billy gillespie they didn't do a whole lot kind of sucky the end tubby they made the t-shirt sometimes they get califari uh you know what they did when they got kyle yeah i was gonna say let's move on oh funny if you uh you know what's going on if this thing goes off the rails and if they are like one win in november or something like that i think that's when we start playing paper football in here like during the show we just oh we're gonna drink we compete we'll drink coffee we'll find games people can just watch us like play chess we can invite people in to drink with us yes yeah that's something there's a couch back there absolutely we're not going to be talking about this program basketball well that's we got that too soccer ryan wants to know do you guys love anything the way our receivers love dropping the football that's a fair question the one the the biggest the most disappointing drop of that whole game keyshawn's was the biggest uh by far and that was a bad one so tuffy but my man jordan wilson buddy i mean you're two hundred two fifty five pounds but you're 265 pounds you can't be getting dislodged from the ball by an fcs safety that's a big play that's probably that probably cost them four points because i think they kick the field goal in that drive anyway the 53 yarder shout out to fitzgerald coming back that's a big kick um but make catch the ball dude you're too big to be dislodged like that that was a good throw so here's here's what i'm wondering and i i this is what fans always want and we've said you're just not gonna get in a press conference setting i'm sure he does i'm pre-answering it before i ask the question they they're not going to say this at a press conference because of how it looks and it's a little bit like the pound of flesh comment but i do know why fans kind of want this jay says has anybody asked mike norbell if he truly understands what this loss means to the program in the fan base as in does he fully grasp that this is an upset that if he was at memphis but as historic never happened it's never happened here yeah i want to hear him grasp this at some point i mean i thought after the game after the game he he apologized yeah i i don't know if that was unsolicited or if it was andre adelson anderson's question was florida state's never lost to an fcs opponent how do you bounce back from this what did you say guys when she asked that his eyes closed he knew it was a ridiculous thing that just occurred and that he resided over it yeah but the the answer he will give in front of cameras and microphones is i only know what to do i only know how to work we're just going to work we're going to earn their trust back you know the jeff cameron pr you you know what to say to that question um i would be really interested having a beer with them i'm going to have a beer with them tonight i already want to come over sounds good okay um if i was having a beer with him to ask him man what you ha because he he clearly he knows oh for sure to me it's it's it's a it's the ignominy it's the same thing actually losing the bowl streak right i mean it's it's it's that significant losing the bowl streak the difference with losing the bowl streak was that happened over the course of a season this was just like man in like 10 seconds because nobody thought they were going to lose that game even with 10 seconds you didn't think they were going to lose the football you thought it worse it's overtime if they hit that 31-yard pass play and call timeout in five seconds like we were all worried so this was just such like such a shocking yeah what it leads to are a lot of the things that i read and we're getting twitter too but what does happen is stuff like this and i get why florida state fans feel this way especially those that are tied to the university with donations and the like this fsu administration was unable to replace the championship caliber coach did not upgrade the facilities and has not built football only facility up to this point personally if norbelle is removed they need to also let go of the current a.d and start with a true clean slate well we're still waiting on an ad we're still like the new president i'm sure is going to hire an a.d we have a stop-gap measure that's what coburn is that's not his fault but he's a money guy and this was yes we need to start getting organized well then look man that's the the the topic of how they got to where they've gotten is certainly worth exploring you need to write the book but uh again i'm not sure that it's not going to work with norvo i know cole i know that corey maybe already uh he thinks that ship is sailing no no that's not true well let's see they're starting to throw they're starting to tie the anchors up on the they're they're starting to get ready but i'm not i'm not willing to uh again i'm not willing to give up on him at all so yeah i'm not i we can't write those stories right now because this is still to be but that's why 41 to 7 to wake up it's like man you're not showing us any signs that anything is different i i you know what again i'm gonna fight to not be the prisoner of the moment and say that i do think we saw signs things were different against notre dame i do think they hit and they play hard and they you know practices are different man they are they're they they practice well yeah they they are they've got a long way to go it is a rebuild they're here they're not opening up not games not games but practice pseudo headlines 3 3 real talk radio warchief tv 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happened anyhow moving forward um yeah a lot of people you can go to horizons even if you're not mourning someone yeah like just uh but if you are but that's a great experience just on a date or with the family it's a it's great for all occasions they specialize in wakes do you think so tom and i were doing tallahassee game day uh this past saturday in anticipation of a big win yeah obviously yeah on warchant tv and 93.3 real talk radio and as we were going through the machinations about what would happen and what would be this and all that um somebody cracked me up during the show they said they just had a message that said crack's first beer and it was early it was you know yeah yeah it was early and it just the message was cracks first beer first beer crack for wake forest after last week for this fan base who's out there cracking a beer 7 a.m 6 30ish in anticipation for yeah for a 3 30 game what do we think over under first cracked beer now if you're over the age of 30 it's different than if you're 22 but i'm kind of curious when that first beer gets cracked for all of us having to sit through the wake forest game and the anticipation of do they fight back do they show up do they win this game get the bad taste out of our mouth temporarily it'll always be there a little bit but do they give you a glimmer of hope do they give you something to latch on to because we were talking during the break i mean the acc is a mess and there are injuries everywhere to nc state to boston college louisville has played horribly so far syracuse is an awful football team that just scored seven points against rutgers right you're in a position i know i know i know well you could win four or five and we're just trying to salvage something here you've got an injury-riddled group in front of you now you got some automatic losses in front of you too but this game is really big and i know there aren't too many big games for on2 teams especially one who's just lost to an fcs school but within the fan base this is a really big game to show some signs that there's a reason to think this was just an absurd blip on the radar and that they are going to continue to to climb i'm just curious if jacksonville state's going to handle success well who do they got this week i haven't looked it up they're playing troops in alabama state or something alabama a m man my guys and for people that weren't in the stadium well very few people were left in the stadium at that point but we're in the first five four freaking hours to play ridiculous every time it's stupid somebody had a cramp they had a tv timeout and those commercials on the acc that's what i'm saying what are they even selling well you know in the night binoculars they're not selling watches hey when you're only getting three dollars a popular commercial in the american eagle american flag glasses that yes you see the enemy at night coming over the hills to take your property how will jacksonville stay not only when the game ended not only did they held the plant the flag and all that they didn't even go back to the locker room for their like post game talk it reminded me of when we covered high school oh yeah and they just held out on the field they got north alabama this week boys oh oh okay that's a big and they're hosting they're hosting all right yeah but uh north alabama's licking their chops they're like they know they've got them but yeah i mean like the jacksonville states they stayed on the field for i mean it must have been 45 minutes yeah at least well at least 30. pictures i mean it was i mean but hey more power to them north alabama's off to a rough start guys they're 0-2 they lost 49 to 28 to southeast louisiana and then got shut out last week by chattanooga jacksonville state might be on a two-game winning streak they better not look ahead don't get a lofty we'll be trying to put some stuff on film for your big game against nickel stage next week let's get out there and take a team series punt with your real foot punt right foot we haven't even discussed that hey look did anybody ask he brought up he brought it up by himself you know guys we lost that game and i understand you're a little frustrated but wasn't that cool that's kind of cool right next he's got a headbutt one out there so and he's like yeah he actually kicked it 45 yards even farther than we thought he could like what did anybody say he's like why yeah how about not punting so much well that's not his fault well right but like hey man yeah if you're gonna have to put and they might have correctly guessed there would be a lot of punting going on this year they could have thought listen why don't we switch it up a little bit you're gonna be punting seven eight nine ten times a game every now and then throwing a left-footed punt how about the next the fourth punt of the wake forest game turn your back to the defense and punt it over like a bicycle kick see and if you're getting tackled white i knew it was gonna happen he's broken oh i'm definitely broken i but he he almost wanted to be like in yeah like you said it was celebrated like yeah man we had him punt left foot and he kicked it even farther than we thought it was like awesome man you were owen two and just lost the jacket john wants to know will they be less nervous at wake do you think that's all the nerves that this they'll be a little less nervous at wake uh i feel bad about that one because it was my question i was just saying like when keyshawn hilton who doesn't drop passes in practice drops one right off the bat the walk-in touchdown does that kind of lead to some pressing and that's he said yeah you said they were pressing and mentioned nervous which i think people were like come on man yeah well hey i don't know what to do guys we got a lot of repeat questions i'm just exhausted reading these questions it's not it's nothing against them they're just pissed they're angry all right what's that all right so if you let's talk about the quarterbacks then one more time well there are a lot of questions one just asking yeah well let's just they want to know how you think jordan travis will be utilized this week and that's what i guess that's my question is so if if my theory is correct which is i mean you think maybe there's something up with jordan maybe well i i wonder about his health because i think you would have in a desperate moment turn to him and just incorporate last year's game plan against this very same team that you scored 40 plus points on yeah but it was never it was never desperate they had one that's what i'm saying he would have just turned to him and let him in even if you don't think that's the right offense when the blank hit the fan you'd have been like well we need to go get us a win here boys let's let's run and run around here yeah make some plays and get up by a couple scores but if but if if even if the theory is that and i'm correct that they just feel like the upside with milton is much higher so that's the way they want to go what do you do with jordan travis though do you do you still we actually went to this relationship remember we said in the off season how well would he accept that yeah um because he wants to play quarterback and now all of a sudden you're like no no you're kind of a swiss army knife because now they're receiving two games he has not done anything with his legs i mean one carry for seven yards this past game and what do you have like we had the one long run against notre dame yeah and they immediately came out but he had nine yards rushing in that game because it's the nine yards he said he's like senior yards of rushing in two games that you don't have enough playmakers like however whatever you're gonna do if you believe mackenzie milton's the guy that's fine but jordan travis has to get touches because there aren't many guys on the team that can make anybody miss no look out there man look at that receiving core it's an ass yeah i'm not saying he's playing wide receiver but you need to get him out in space i agree i i don't know how let's see if he does i mean hey that would be an indicator that he's healthy and still bought it right that'd be great to see i i'm i'm slightly concerned uh let's take a quick break and come back and wrap it up here momentarily it's simple headlines 93 three real talk radio world champion tv hey guys it's greg tisch you've heard me talk about southeast portable buildings on my show in the past now i want to tell you about a new discount program available to everyone who is looking for a portable building in the very near future if you order now and wait you'll get a discount rate and that's got a nice ring to it doesn't it if you're in the market for a new storage building you can order now get it later and save money instantly i can go on and on about the ways you can use a new storage building on your own property sure you can use it for storage but you can 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grocery stores and restaurants throughout the southeast headliners have discovered the register's difference you can too to find a store that carries registers near you or to buy directly head to registermeats.com that's registermeets.com register sausage yay sausage seminal headlines returns now head to youtube and search for war chant tv today to catch the show live or on demand now here's jeff cameron ira shofal and corey clark get a few more questions in here greg writes does jeff feel personally responsible for the loss after saying all four quarterbacks should be able to play if we turn the season around will he get a statute like crying tebow did um i don't feel personally responsible didn't come up with that game uh plan not wearing that not wearing that no no i could give a speech like uh out of breath tebow yeah but i'm not going to uh was the marcus walker speech after that louisville game yes and then they gave up they were down 21-0 in the first quarter the next week to north carolina i remember cringing at that speed i mean he did play as that his butt off the rest of that season but uh that was an unfortunate speech uh is there a reason we stopped giving the ball to deshaun corbin and trey sean ward good question thomas it was a dumb decision that's the answer uh no they felt like they had the personnel they really liked the feeling in those situations i mean at some point you say this guy's better than that guy so let's let's ride the guy that's better and i do that with all the positions corey i don't know about you that guy there is better than that guy i'm gonna start him let's go to the next position he seems to be a better player i'm gonna pick up that guy let's get him out there and not give it to that guy yeah i mean the explanation was that he what he did last year yeah but that hasn't been here this year and what's really crazy is literally i bet if you timed it out so corbin had what probably ended up being the biggest run of the game when he got stopped on third down third and short um he had not carried the ball for probably close to an hour like legitimately well i bet with all the tv timeouts and stuff it probably legitimately was an hour of real time or like 46 minutes of real time when you could have put the game away with him and then give toafili all the carries he wants when you're up 24 to 7. fellas after that ass sorry showing what can be done to help the passing game and find a true number one receiver possibly moving a speedy qb that's having trouble not throwing the ball a few feet above his receiver's heads i don't think he's a i don't think he's a receiver um he's a guy he is a running back that can throw and you know again think of it like a wildcat but with the potential to pass league bet 21 writes will we be starting the game against wake forest in the wildcat i mean i i like it though because so much of the focus has been on the defense of disaster it is it is fitting and fair that the offense is getting so much grief at 335 yards and 17 points against an fcs yeah this same gentleman asks me personally jeff will fsu be on your personal card this week yeah i like fsg plus six i do really all right i got him early at plus six i think it's down to five and a half sharps are with me or the public maybe with me that's a problem yeah his line come down yeah went from six to five corey uh might take some of your action you think they're gonna get stumped no i i don't think they're gonna get stopped but stomp but i would not be surprised i've again it man it's a huge game whether they win or lose and please go win it's allowed do it just get a w but um if they go out there and just look like they did against louisville last year man the the questions that a lot of people have now about norvell you two will start having about oh no i have questions no i mean concern legitimately it's gonna start changing opinions if it already has the ones that haven't been changed that will be yeah pretty big ammo well or worse apathy we'll set it well yeah that too but kyle lee last one chris wants to know if the three of us hired chris to run a mcdonald's that we owned well here we go uh-oh because chris promised organization discipline preparedness right but two months later you came to check on it ice cream machine it took 45 minutes in the drive-thru your order when you eventually got it was wrong and there's smoke billowing from the kitchen would you begin to worry that i was a fraud chris chris it's gonna be okay i don't know about that chris and there is smoke billowing in from the kitchen but if it was just a bad day it could have just been the rest the other days were incredible you got a great score on your certificate thing but that one day was just a nightmare so we'll see they might be awake by 30 points we have to give thanks to jeff eric and a jsu fan for their contributions today we aren't sure we're not taking your blood money so this is funny uh thanks to jeff eric and a jsu fan for their contributions today we aren't sure about mike anymore either jeff yeah there we go we're not taking that jsu money go plant your flag somewhere else i'm going to take it i want it i'm going to use it in my gambling endeavors when i take fsu plus six against wakeboarding some of that weight and north alabama yeah yeah take north alabama they're gonna be all the emotions are riding all over the place i take it uh you're on the road yeah i'm leaving right now snuggy hill yeah well yeah you weren't going well they're running for me i think everybody's the hill has been ruined i can't take that we weren't even making the call for people to take the hill i was i told my wife hey listen i'm going up to wake forest with the boys next weekend looking forward to we're going to take the hill to be a lot of fun and then that game happened and on sunday morning she said are you going to the hospital i wouldn't watch this team if my life depends instead of taking the hill before the battle we'll just go like if floor state wins we'll just go over after them plunder afterwards you know what you should do if they win a picture and lay down on it together and put a little blanket over but you're getting comfortable at their house i got a blanket in the car so we'll have that good job tom good job matthew for corey and ira and thanks to all of you as well i'm jeff be good everybody hang in there deep breaths like i like to say we'll talk to you tomorrow