Trump Demands House GOP to Shut Down Government—Again

Intro ah fall tradition threats of a government shutdown no one wants it's Thursday September 12th I'm Jane costen and I'm Josie Duffy rice and this is what a day the show that may not have known all the people at the VMAs last night but is taking solace in the fact that the VMAs are older than us happy 40th VMAs I'm sure many of you are very famous and I'm proud of you on today's show House speaker Mike Johnson delays a budget vote and a government shutdown looms yay and there is a lot of weird stuff Republicans are saying post debate we'll get into that but first it's been about a week since federal agents seized the phone of New York's police commissioner Edward kaban and some other top police officials kaban is one of a few top deputies in mayor Eric Adams Administration who are being investigated by federal authorities and though details about this particular investigation are scanned it's like not a good thing that the FBI confiscated their phones uh and it's yet another Brewing Scandal for the NYPD the largest the oldest and perhaps the most Scandal prone Police Department in the country and that's really saying something it's also yet another Scandal for Adams who also had his phone seized by the FBI in another probe the Adams Administration has reportedly encouraged kabanda to step down though they have yet to say anything publicly earlier this week at a press conference Adams tried to sidestep questions about kab's future and whether he was guaranteed to keep his job I don't think any anything in life is guaranteed uh I would say this uh when I chose uh Eddie I chose him for his experience and what he brought after 30s something years of service and so you know rumors are always out there you know rumors aren't always out there about everybody I will just say nothing in life is guaranteed this I mean very true but so far kaban isn't budging though the pressure is growing as the public waits for more details about why the FBI seized his phone and while the New York City Police Department's mission is to quote enhance the quality of life in New York City something you may not have known or suspected we know that throughout most of the nypd's history that mission has certainly not been a priority for all New York residents that history is a subject of a new podcast from crooked media and wry called Empire City the untold story of the NYPD it's hosted by NYU journalism professor and activist cherai Kika and over the course of eight episodes he tells the stories that the department would rather you not hear from its roots in slavery to the various corruption scandals but Kona also tells the stories of the people who resisted the NYPD at every turn I spoke with him to learn more about the podcast and here is our conversation chendra I Interview with Chenjerai Kumanyika thank you so much for joining us on what a day thank you for having me excited to be here so um your history of the NYPD starts with your dad uh who was a civil rights leader in New York and he was surveilled by the NYPD and arrested during a protest so can you tell us how his experience with the department has shaped your own perceptions of uh of police and of the NYPD yeah I mean you know I think like a lot of uh you know black folks growing up in America you know you realize that there's some kind of uncomfortability which sometimes with your parents around the police right like they they even parents I think who really are sort of pro police or believe that the police are here to keep us safe right they still know that it could be dangerous and so my dad definitely had that but when I learned about you know that my dad essentially was targeted by the NYPD um in over different P points in the year of 1964 it was really interesting to me because most of the conversations we have about police are around you know these horrific incidents of police brutality and killing um you know and that allows I think police departments to kind of cast those incidents as you know these this was either this was bad training or this was or this person deserved it but my dad was actually you know the Bronx chairman of core and he was protesting for things like to stop racial discrimination you know and he was working with other people to stop housing discrimination and and to you know fight for you know equal schools right and those are things that all of us I think believe in right now and yet the NYPD literally had a whole unit that targeted not just black people but targeted various activists for doing that kind of work which to me that's democracy work right these are people who are trying to make America a democracy and the NYPD had a whole unit funded by taxpayers dedicated to stop them so for me that was on one level like really personal but it was also a way I thought I think to really start the conversation about what what is this institution actually right and so you focus specifically on the NYPD so talk to me about how that Police Department is unique or similar right to others across the country I mean I feel like the NYPD is the police department right that we kind of identify um when we think of police so what do you see in the in the in the similarities and differences compared to the rest of the country yeah I mean well for one thing you know the NYPD I think can be called the first modern Police Department meaning that you know around 1845 when the NYPD started there weren't really that many police departments that had really set themselves up as like quote unquote professional organizations people are getting paid they didn't have uniforms back then but they had Badges and they were kind of like official you know the first organizations honestly to do that stuff though were like down in places like Charleston and New Orleans and New Orleans and Virginia and they were almost fully dedicated to like slave patrolling but really they you know when we talk about modern Police New York was first a lot of people think Boston was first and looking at the first and they're certainly the largest that's definitely not in dispute and in the way they're the most notorious you know it's like they you know I mean you can go to Times Square and buy NYPD gear but I think that you know looking at the first and largest allows you to really look at what was kind of in the DNA of policing right what were what were the things that got this department started what were the priorities um and how did how did they develop and so the NYPD was was a good way to see all those things and love to talk about them but I would also say that the NYPD was influential you know I mean you know at this point in America other other places looked to the NYPD as a model of leadership and so some of the things that came out of the NYPD spread other places as well absolutely so this first episode um features Mariam cabba uh talking about the origins of the NYPD for those who don't know she's um a very uh famous abolitionist and has talked a lot about the history of policing and how it is relevant today so um you talk about this former officer named uh Tobias buno and a network of officers who made money by kidnapping free and emancipated black residents and selling them back into slavery right so talk to us about why it's important to when you begin this conversation of the NYPD to talk about its connection to slavery well for one I think it it's important for people to understand that you know slavery and the whole idea of slave patrolling wasn't just something that had happened in the South I think when you say for a lot of people at least in my world the idea that police has something to do with slave patrols is sort of not surprising although I'm sure for much of the country that may come as a surprise but you know New York was supposed to be a free state by you know by 1827 so that's one thing and the other thing is that I think sometimes when people talk about problems with the police they're cast as racial problems and you know in this country because the idea of systemic racism has not really set settled in as the dominant way of understanding racism people just think oh it's just like racists or bigoted people right people who just have these prejudices and what we wanted to show an Empire City is that there's actually economic priorities right at the heart of this and that you know in a way um I mean Tobias buo was like a horrible person right I mean he's somebody I have no mind you know I have no problem calling this dude an he was definitely an he was racist he was all those things but he was also incentivized right he was broke and there was an economic incentive built and into the the NYPD and he also lived right before the NYPD made a turn into becoming a professional department so we start right before um what what buo story also allows us to see is resistance you know when you're going to tell a story that has to do with slavery I mean I was like when I was making the show I was like yo I know there's a lot of black folks got what you call slavery fatigue they don't want to see you know another story you know I mean other folks sometimes love that I got to say they're like oh we're tell telling the truth we're speaking truth to power and we're going to show the real and you know so you get like all these kind of um sort of there's a lot of there's a not there's actually not that many to be honest compared to the other thing but there are like some slave narratives and I realize we people want to see resistance people want to be able to look to folks like David Ruggles and today like Mariam cabba and to Elizabeth Jennings Graham and all these people and say what strategies did these folks use when they were clear the police are not on our side what strategies did they use to to actually survive and to and to and make their Community safe well you know that's something I really um found fascinating about the podcast right which is that the podcast kind of debunks this myth that conversations around abolition or police reform are new right it's it's Bas it basically says that as long as there's been policing in America this concept of abolition has also existed in America right there's been resistance to policing in America for as long as policing has existed so tell us a little bit about Ruggles who um gets is his story is told so well on the podcast and and talk to us about how he pushed back against this kind of scheme that budo and the other kidnapping crew had well one thing you know that I always like to say is when you think about that period of time which we're talking about you know the late 1820s or 1830s you know I think sometimes there's a way where people just look back and they're like yeah that was just slavery times and it's kind of in black and white in a way that although we talk about slavery people can't really feel it but now I want you to imagine coming home and realizing that your child has been kidnapped which happened to a kid named I believe his name is Henry Scott you know um or that your wife or husband is is missing and you don't even know where they are you actually don't know that they're kidnapped and then you come to find out that not only have they been kidnapped but it's a a gang of police officers and people with legal connections to judges so the system and this is at a time when when the vast majority of black people don't have the right to vote there's a few property owning black folks who can do that so what do you do how do you fight back and David Ruggles was um created an organization called the committee of vigilance and you know I sort of I don't want to give away all the you know y'all got to listen to hear what happens but you know they they form some strategies they form legal strategies um their media strategies are important you know um I was you know we got to talk to miam cabba you know Mariam cabba is such a serious organizer that I kind of felt you know a little shy and not not silly but just like does you know trying to act like Media Matters and she was like no she's also I'm like a librarian she was like David Ruggles or you know had a bookstore you know she's like this matters Media Matters the you know you know Library literature work matters and turning up when you have to matters doing what you got to do now so David rugas offers us and we're going to get to see in Empire City um a black community who who kind of figures out a way to push back and then we also see though What Becomes of the police department um after after that struggle so let's talk about um what's happening today in New York or this week we have these recent raids uh of New York mayor Eric Adams Administration um he's a former NYPD Captain his police commissioner Edward kaban is one of a few top officials who's had their phone seized by the FBI so how do you see this kind of current moment in New York leadership fitting in to the broader picture of the N ipd and into your work kind of uh laying out the history of this um deeply rooted organization yeah I mean I think that you know um there's a tendency when people cover things like this to sort of ask the default question what went wrong or to say maybe when you see Edward kaban who we know has buried I think Pro public did incredible reporting to find that he was burying uh cases that the ccrb which is the Civilian Complaint review board you know they go through investigations they have an investigative process they don't just claim things without evidence right I talked to for Empire City one of their investigators and he laid out the process but the problem is that this organization is um you know um answers to the police commissioner and we're going to talk about that later in the series but you know he was bearing these cases so he's literally stopping the process that would allow us to figure out what actually happened and of course before him I just want to point out that Kant suul um through threw out more substantiated cases than any other than every previous Police Commissioner as the first black woman um for all those people who think that black cops are the answer or cops of color so I think this current Scandal is not actually about that I think I I don't I don't we don't have the details so I want to be careful what I kind of speculate on but I I heard that it might have something to do with his relative who was who was kind of responsible for policing some nightlife and there might be there might have been some kind of Racket but who knows I mean there's so many scandals at this point right honestly what do you think J I'm I'm curious to see what you think because you're this is your area of expertise you know it it to me it reflects what we know right which is police um when you were kind of part of the top brass you start to think that the rules don't apply to you again like you said we don't really know what's happening and it's not like the FBI is always you know the beacon of of Truth and and responsibility uh when it comes to policing either but it does sort of reflect I think the pattern we see right which is people come in elected officials come in and they say we're gonna get this place in order we're going to be tough we're going to get this place on order you know and it there is a always a correlation right between the people saying that and the people who later end up thinking that the rules don't apply to them I mean it's just it's so clear to me that there's this this conflation of power and responsibility uh with so many of these elected officials and I I mean I got to say to Eric Adams I thought he was going to get in trouble with the FBI way before this so I almost give him credit for making it this long yeah yeah I mean I think I mean and for those and by the way the drop that's about to happen for mire City on Monday woo so excited it's it's we're speaking to the some of these exact things and I think that um you do see this pattern all the way up from not the police commissioner uh I think what you're saying is so insightful right it's like the tough on crime people the people who come in wind up being the very people who wind up just being you know drowning in scandals and Corruption um and that's a pattern that goes all the way back not only to the first 10 years of the NYPD but later in the series we're going to talk about um the largest one of the largest and First cases where a whole Police Department is put on trial and you start to see that not only is this an institution that's essentially for essentially about 100 80 years has functioned with like scandals and Corruption that are happening every not even every 10 years even more frequently than that but not only that but there's they've never reckoned with this what other institution could continue to get funding to have their funding grow and could and and right now I mean who affect like I I like what the point you made about right the federal government right because there's times when I'm like man I think the NYPD needs a consent decree I mean the police commissioner is is under investigation the mayor's under investigation the mayor refuses to hold anybody accountable right he's I mean that's one and when you look at what's going on with kaban I mean one we don't know what's happened but one thing we know for sure is that the cop mayor of New York City May Mar at GS has made it very clear that even when they they somebody just said hey city council said hey you know what could police officers maybe just document we're going to make this thing called the how many stops like when you stop people I mean that's like that's not this is not radical abolitionist work this is like right can you just take notes when you he was like no he like he's foaming at the mouth of these people call them socialists right just because they want them to document the work so if you're the police commissioner if you're a cop and you and you see your mayor going out you know like he's not going to let anybody hold you accountable then of course you just are like man I got car blunch right absolutely thank you so much Empire City is really amazing so gendra thank you so much for joining us thank you so much much respect for what y'all do on what a day keep doing your work and uh everybody go listen to unreformed too thank you now let's get to some of today's top Headlines stories head Aline no vote today because we're in the consensus building uh business here in congress with small majorities that's what you do that's what I've been doing since I became speaker we're having thoughtful conversations family conversations within the Republican conference and I believe we'll get there ah fall tradition threats of a government shutdown no one wants house Speaker Mike Johnson is leading family conversations with fellow Republicans while a government shutdown looms Less Than 3 weeks away Johnson delayed Wednesday's vote on a 6-month government spending bill that was already friendly to the Republican agenda but of course none other than former president Donald Trump is meddling in the background the bill includes a and redundant requirement that voters provide proof of citizenship before registering to vote an issue Democrats were expected to reject because it's and redundant and which Trump said Republicans should force a shutdown over with the election approaching neither party wants to be responsible for a government shutdown but almost a dozen Republicans have said they plan to vote against the Bill Johnson has pushed the vote to next week when I'm sure Donald Trump will be a nice normal partner in getting things done US Secretary of State Anthony blinkin was in keev on Wednesday blinkin traveled to Ukraine with UK foreign secretary David Lamy to meet with Ukrainian President Vladimir zalinsky and other officials speaking at a joint press conference both Lamy and Lincoln indicated plans to change their government's current policies which right now ban Ukraine from using longrange missiles provided by the US and the UK to fire deep into Russia here's blinken just speaking for the United States um from day one as you've heard me say uh we have uh adjusted and adapted as needs have changed as the battlefield has changed um and I have no doubt that we'll continue to do that as this uh this as this evolves also this week blinkin commented on the Israel Defense Force killing of us Turkish citizen aenor aay last Friday she was shot shot and killed by IDF forces during a protest in the occupied West rank no one no one should be shot and killed for attending a protest no one should have to put their life at risk just for freely expressing their views um in our judgment Israeli Security Forces need to make some fundamental changes in the way that they operate in the West Bank including changes to their Rules of Engagement A's has criticized us officials for not launching an independent investigation into her killing federal inspectors warned of a quote imminent threat to food safety at a bores head plant in Virginia nearly 2 years before the deadly leria outbreak there this Summer according to reports released by the US Department of Agriculture inspectors found rust standing water live insects mold and thick buildup of waste product and Equipment among other even more disgusting food safety violations and I do not want to know what those are despite these findings the USDA did not take any measures to enforce penalties for these violations the plant continued to operate until July of this year when it became the epicenter for a leria outbreak which killed nine people and hospitalized dozens more making it the largest since 2011 regulation of the pork processing industry was relaxed by the Trump Administration in 2019 stunning letting companies rely more heavily on their own workers rather than USDA inspectors to address violations I wish that my my son Aiden Clark was killed by a 60-year-old white man I bet you never thought anyone would ever say something so blunt but if that guy killed my 11-year-old son the incessant group of hate spewing people would leave us alone that was Nathan Clark speaking at a Springfield Ohio city commission meeting just about an hour before Tuesday's presidential debate begging Donald Trump JD Vance Ohio Republican Senate nominee Bernie Moreno and Texas representative chip Roy to stop using the death of his son to denigrate Haitian immigrants Aiden was killed last August after a minivan driven by a Haitian immigrant veered into oncoming traffic and struck a school bus injuring 20 other students over the last few weeks however a host of people including the Trump campaign particularly online have used the accident to attack Haitian immigrants in Springfield I will listen to them one more time to hear their apologies to clear the air my son Aiden Clark was not murdered he was accidentally killed by an immigrant from Haiti this tragedy is felt all over this community the state and even the nation but don't spin this towards hate and that's the news so Josie a thing of mind that I think about all the time is how just absolutely batshit online the right is right now I don't mean online as in on the internet but online as believing that online ephemera matters a lot offline this was something you'll remember got hurled at the left a lot in like 2016 but over the last 5 years the American right-wing has gotten itself locked into a cocoon of its own weirdness and when that cocoon gets exposed to normal everyday Americans as we saw in the debate because if there's anyone locked in a weirdo online cocoon it's Donald Trump it sounds well nuts there is eating the dogs the people that came in they're eating the cats they're eating they're eating the pets of the people that live there honestly you remember like when the internet first started and there was one Boomer that sent out a lot of like email forwards yeah forward forward forward reply forward forward exactly exactly like that's his entire truth Social account is like that like that's all it's dark it's dark in there it's so dark but like even after the debate the weirdest people on the internet decided to just keep going take Elon Musk who manages to allegedly be one of the smartest people around while also being the strangest and most gullible person to ever live there is not a baffling right-wing conspiracy theory around that he will not tweet Exclamation point Exclamation point Exclamation point at and after Taylor Swift endorsed kamla Harris on Instagram he tweeted the following fine Taylor you win I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life see TR to be absolutely clear that's gross if a dude said that to you at a bar you would heave a VOD katonic in his face and walk away but right-wing influencer former classical liberal and noted taker of Russian money Dave Rubin thought he made a good point I guess he's mocking he's exposing the Ridiculousness right it's like Taylor Swift you are a young pretty girl do you know what the gang members from Venezuela due to young pretty girls it ain't pretty literally every single thing that these people say reminds me of the Charlie Day meme from It's Always Sunny it's like it's just a wall of unrelated things that they're trying to connect to a normal to regular people just regular old people so I used to have this test for like online weirdness I called it the mom test but maybe you could call it to like partner test or if you heard it at a bar test if you called your mom and told her hey Elon Musk the Tesla guy just offered to impregnate Taylor Swift on the internet would she think that was super cool and normal she would not no no and if you heard some guy tell a woman at the bar that she was real young and pretty and Venezuelans would probably love to do horrible things to her would you think that guy seems very cool and fun I would try to have him removed from the bar for her yeah you would find a bouncer and say hey that guy's a creep yeah no he doesn't he's not properly socialized no the online right is full of absolute dorks who are deeply committed to telling one another that they are not dorks that they are right and Legion and just one step away from taking power they are not they are dorks who hate women who hate immigrants who hate football and pop music and everyday Americans who are not as deeply engrossed in the project of being hateful dorks as they are I refuse to be like afraid of them but God dang they are so weird and Russia maybe try to get a refund for all that money you set Dave ruin you did not get your money's worth that's all for today if you like the show make sure you Conclusion subscribe leave a review don't be gross on Twitter and tell your friends to listen and if you are into reading and not just the latest indictment to Rock New York City Hall like me what a day is also a nightly newsletter so check it out and subscribe at cricket.com subscribe I'm chosy deffy rice I'm Jane Cen thanks for listening and don't be creepy Josie I just need people to be less creepy just like run it by someone before you tweet it like literally find someone on the street and be like hey should I tweet about how I want to impregnate Taylor Swift and they they may call the cops but right they will probably tell you to not do that they're going to tell you to not do that and by the way if you run your tweets by people on the street and they always tell you to not do it you have bad judgment and should get off the internet you got to go you got to go too much you got to nope know your skills Twitter is not your SK your skills know your Arena you know it's just not worth it just not worth it don't do it [Music]