Harris and Trump Prepare for Highly Anticipated Debate Before Early Voting Begins

Intro [Music] the late great Hannibal Lector is a wonderful man they say it's racist to do anything I had a Diet Mountain Dew yesterday and one today I'm sure they're going to call that racist too but it's good this was a dangerous animal that was killing livestock and attacking people and and I had little children at the time and I made a difficult choice I think you're a mother too and you have little kiddos I'm J president okay um how long just everything yeah me a lot of glaze here some personal stuff 77 rolls whatever how long has this place been around yeah uh on behalf of everyone whose story could only be written in the greatest nation on Earth I accept your nomination to be president of the United States of America [Music] [Applause] [Applause] what's up Phoenix welcome to pod save America I'm John Fabro I'm Jane costen I'm John love it Tommy VOR I'm Dan feifer we have a great show for you tonight your next senator from the great state of Arizona Ruben gyo is here we are also especially excited to have Jane with us tonight because she comes bearing big news starting Monday Jane is going to be the new host of Our Daily News podcast what a day that's right you get to hear from me 20 minutes a day every day and it won't be about Michigan football which doesn't exist for right now for reasons that I don't want to get into everything's totally fine Notre name lost everything's fine so exciting we got Jane's a move to LA and everything I know Pacific Coast it's been beautiful but I could not be more excited to be here in Phoenix Arizona you know ASU is playing right now but I'd like to [Applause] remember see see divided loyalty I'm sorry I got to say go Sun Devils but most importantly why was Carrie lake at a Texas A&M game yeah that was weird like with Ted Cruz like with Ted Cruz who by the way I really wish Ted Cruz had made it to Michigan Texas because that game would have gone very differently hey and for anybody gay here hey hey hey I know I they know what I mean and you know what I mean all right fine I don't understand either it's fine all right let's get to the news uh our last live show was exactly 50 days Final Prep for the Harris/Trump Debate ago in Madison Wisconsin uh less than 48 hours before Joe Biden passed the torch to kamla Harris after the most consequential debate in history um we are now 70 hours away from the first and so far only scheduled debate between Harris and Donald Trump just one week before early voting begins in the 2024 election who's got a pit in their Su I don't feel good but I feel better than I would there you go I like I'll take that uh the vice president is off the trail preparing for the debate in a Pittsburgh Hotel there's a replica stage practice sessions and a trump standin who's Gone full method uh shout out Philip pH Philip rinus I worked with I worked with Philipe now almost 20 years ago when I was uh first in DC and there is no one who would spend more time and effort learning every single mannerism and fact about a person than Philipe a kind of deep and broken Obsession for people who don't know Philipe also played Donald Trump uh for uh to help prep Hillary Clinton during the 2016 debates he was also full method then were like Foxy suit ties did the whole thing I don't know that he ever came out of it frankly that's the question I got dinner with him I got dinner with a couple years ago he ordered his Burger well done he's been stuck for the last n years whatever it's been um anyway Trump himself ever the wonk uh is preparing with what he calls policy time uh which involves I guess huddling with his invi his advisers and uh and this her favorite show is Law and Order and there's a almost exact story as her story in Law and Order about being attacked in the dressing room of a department so I never met the woman other than this picture which could have been a I generated I don't know showed up out of nowhere but it's fine nice picture and I'm disappointed in my legal Talent I'll be honest with you but this is a disgraceful case and disgraceful in particular because it's about a former president of the United States who is now leading in the polls if you look at the uh Nate silver very respected guy I don't know him but he has me up by a lot I'm going into very hostile territory shortly on a debate with ABC George sload dolos and that group and ABC I think is the worst of everybody I think they're the worst so I guess that was that was the message event for Friday that was uh that's what they were pushing ahead of the debate quick quick 50-minute press conference no questions no questions question question no questions just complaining about his legal troubles um and Jane he was complaining about his legal troubles even though he got mostly good news this week on that front uh the judge just postponed sentencing uh for his felony conviction until a few weeks after the election uh you know the wheels of Justice uh and the judge in J in the January 6th trial said that that won't begin uh until well into 2025 all of which means the outcome of this election for Trump is either the White House or the big house mhm uh not your big house your not your big house not your big to be clear how do you think if at all kamla Harris should handle this in the debate um and then more broadly like what's the overall case you think should be Pro she should be prosecuting I mean personally if she just spent a lot of time going look at this guy like I near I nearly got distracted for a minute because when I was in high school I used to come home every day and watch Law and Order and I was like all right which season are we talking about uh because if Sam waterson's involved I'm in um but I really think that like something that she I mean she's talked about this before that like remember in 2016 when he was like stalking Hillary Clinton around and kamla was like if that would have been me and I would turned around and been like why are you being so weird like I think that if she talks about the issues that matter to people and also points out the fact that he is physically incapable of talking about anything that doesn't have to do with himself or the movie Blood Sport which I will talk about you know if if it if it would help uh him lose the presidential election I will discuss the movie Blood Sport with him all day is there a split in that movie right where he splits he does split and he holds it between two countertops if I remember CLA vanam you're all over that Park mhm I remember that scene the the signs were there uh Dan let's talk about the rules of the debate which are now set and similar to the uh Biden Trump uh match in June no audience no pre-written notes mic's muted when the other candidate is is uh speaking which the Harris campaign tried pretty hard to reverse uh apparently the campaign still thinks there may be chaotic exchanges where ABC is forced to unmute both mics um you mean there's going to be chaos with Donald Trump I know it's wild um who do you think won here and like how much do the rules matter especially this whole mic debate that we've been dealing with I think the muted mic debate matters so as uh bit of context this the when Biden and Trump were negotiating debates this was something that Biden really really wanted in debate was for Trump's microphone to be muted because in the 2020 debates Trump had interrupted Biden a whole bunch and Biden's team thought it would help them to have Trump's mic be muted that turned out not to be the case because it sort of served as like a leash on Trump and we didn't hear what he was muttering to himself as Biden was speaking and so the Harris people were smart to try to get that rule changed and Trump's people who understand the same thing the Biden people do also tried to stop their war from getting changed because they know as the Harris people do that Trump's speaking particularly when he's agitated is often bad for Trump and so like you if you imagine a world where commis is up there she's saying the thing she's saying and Trump is reacting to that in real time and we can all hear that that's good for k Harris and bad for Trump so this is I think an actual win for them but what is important and I think was good that they pitch this fight was ABC has agency they can decide when it's muted and unmuted and I think they will now feel some pressure to unmute Trump's mic periodically to try to get those organic exchanges because I think that will end up netting out to Harris's benefit in this anyone else think that uh that the like I've been thinking about this on the on the mics because origin I was like yeah it would be better for what the Harris campaign wants which is to have them unmuted the whole time but if they're muted it does mean that she does not get drawn into the back and forth with Trump as much and I wonder if that's to her benefit because her strategy which is I think a little different than Biden's is not just to make it about Trump the whole time but to actually talk about what she's for who she is what her plans are I think she has to no matter whether the mics are muted or unmuted she has to not get drawn into that that's should be part of the Strategic goal but what you want ultimately you're right the debate is about her she wants to make it about her she wants to share her story her Visions Etc but you also want to give Trump an opportunity you want to show the American people in full transparency what an erratic lunatic with cognitive decline Donald Trump is and allowing his microphone to be open would help yeah I feel like he's going to do a pretty good job of that himself well that's that's yeah I think we kind of go back and forth like we we we we say a lot right that like people understand and know who Trump is the undecided voters really want to make sure that they feel like they can get behind KLA Harris and so the debate is an opportunity for her to kind of put Trump aside and kind of have a conversation with the American people I think she's Adept enough to do that whether or not Trump's muted or not I think the fact I just should the ex-president's mic be muted because he's such a chaotic Maniac that he's self-destructive and these are two adults and one of of them cannot obey even the basic of rules or human forms of discipline like what a sad State of Affairs is what are the politics of the microphones we're all we have to talk about it but it's insane it just is I mean I think that this goes to I mean I've been thinking about this a lot about how like the media and I include like a lot of Institutions have unintentionally unintentionally sandwashed Trump like how many times have you like you read like oh Trump said this you watch the video and you're like he's just talking about Hannibal Lector the economic Club event he just did was like absolute gibberish yeah gibberish his answer is on like somehow I believe tariffs are going to play for pay for child care but like maybe that's wrong like it genuinely is the kind of thing that if somebody said that in court you'd be like okay um so we're going to you're going to no no so I think like there is a degree to which like if like I don't think the Harris campaign wants to accidentally sash Donald Trump I mean every Trump speech was never great right they were never there was not like a real logical threat through them but in this campaign every one of them is like Adam Sandler and B Billy Madison I do think if he goes off like that when he goes off like that and Rambles like he did in that economic speech he should have like a line or two in her pocket that's just like well and just like really like I have no idea what he meant by that or what he said but anyway I want to know does he think that seeking Asylum and being in an insane asylum are the same thing it's a good question I have to know pretty sure he does have to know it seems like yes that he think that I'm pretty sure he does also did he watch NBC's Hannibal in which case I have additional questions uh Tommy New York Times reports that Trump's team has quote urged him to be happy Trump in the debate rather than mean bully Trump uh while pressing a policy-based case against M Harris uh putting aside the likelihood of trump embracing his happy side uh how do you think KES should prepare for that possibility and how should she approach the debate if he is mean bully Trump yeah I think the the line was happy warrior and I did laugh out loud when I read that not because it was bad reporting or because it's bad advice frankly I mean basically what that adviser is telling the New York Times is we hope he doesn't look like an um but I think if you're a staffer you have to advise your candidate in a way that fits their capacities and Trump trump can be very funny but it's because he's being the meanest version of a presidential candidate that you've ever seen in your life right he's talking about Marco Rubio's Natalia or Ted Cruz's wife or whatever so there's that part the the contrast on policy I think it's also good advice they know Trump staff knows that he hates KLA Harris he says constantly he doesn't think she's smart he doesn't respect her he's but she's pretty but he's angry that he's running against her right and they do not want the like misogynistic racist things he says in private to come out in public so they want him to focus on immigration inflation the economy and make a policy based argument we'll see if he can do that I think for comma she is basically we'll see I know yeah it's like time will tell it's like we'll see if my dog can do String [Laughter] [Applause] Theory can bundit do that I think she's got I think she has three goals one is she has to talk about her economic vision for the country every poll every focus group will tell you that people want more information about what she'll do for them and for their financial situation she she has to lay that out but two she has to undercut Trump's record on the economy because voters view the Trump term through rose-colored glasses they think of 2018 not 2020 and I think she needs to remind them that his only legislative accomplishment was passing the biggest tax cut trillion multi trillion dollar tax cut for billionaires and corporations and that he's promised a bunch of Rich donors that if they cut him big checks he'll do it again and then three to answer your question like she has to try to get under his skin and annoy him and piss him off and bring out like the feral Trump trump the Twitter feed the brooding red-faced probably Co fils I think being a biracial woman I think that'll make it easy yeah I think she'll be good to go I think but you know he was disciplined against Joe Biden and I think that is kind of the question is if he can do it again yeah I I agree that they will I mean in Comm team has been saying this that they want her to get under his skin I think that it is it's much easier to do that than you'd think like I don't think she needs a bunch of zingers or I know that the New York Times Like interviewed Hillary Clinton and she was talking about how you know when she said you know you're Putin's puppet and then of course Trump went back and like I'm not the puppet you're the puppet and they went back no puppet puppet I don't actually think you need that I think if you just talk about like the difference in policy it will freak him out if she in any way I want to protect abortion access and he will uh make States monitor women's pregnancies like he will flip out it's all like the lesson of the great success of K Harris's campaign over the last seven weeks is that the best way to get knock Trump off his game is not to insult him it's to be ignore is to ignore his insults yes right it's like when he does that and she just pivots and she just like a little dirt off the shoulders and doesn't care that drives him bananas right if you were like in a insult fest with Donald Trump you're playing his game well it's what J said I mean she's not going to say what the is this guy doing but that vibe that is the I think that is the tone yeah no I think that um if there are any women here who have ever been told some by a man in their late 70s right you know very specific it's happened you know a man in his late 70s who can't who stands like this like I I don't know it just seems like just me like noting that I'm a person who is willing to act on behalf of everyday Americans even ones who don't like me and this is a maniac so go from there love it the uh the Trump team and Trump has been like trying out a whole bunch of different attacks on kamla they're now telling reporters that their strategy in the debate is to force kamla to own her partnership with Biden and take responsibility for the parts of his presidency that voters are unhappiest about um how do you think she should handle that yeah first of all I think Donald Trump can't force Comm Harris to do anything in the debate I think she's too smart for that I think the the most important thing she can do in this debate is just sort of put him aside the less she's addressing him the more she's talking to the moderators the more she's talking to the cameras the more he's like a non- entity to her I think the better you know the the Dana Bash interview I think was instructive because you don't have to make KLA Harris own her role in the Biden Administration she's well aware that she's associated with the Biden Administration she's owning that role and she's showing loyalty and and saying she's proud of her of the work they've gotten done and I'm sure she'll say some version of how much work there is left to be done and then I think turn to the contrast between what Donald Trump would do going forward and what she would do going forward I do think there's also space though um this maybe like guilding the Lily and maybe like too cute by half I don't shouldn't have used both Expressions uh it was maybe guilding the Lily it was guilding the Lily uh I I do think there's something that people instinctively get about Trump that like hey man I know you like complaining from the sidelines it's very easy from the sidelines to say how much better you'd be at everything and how everything was perfect when you're president but we remember what it was like when you were President we remember how you said you'd fix everything but yet problems remained you bring chaos with you you bring failure with you you bring blame and you bring antagonism and you bring noise and you bring the American people are very sick of that and so we can choose between a future in which we're going to do these hard things and it won't be easy and we won't get it all right and we won't always succeed or we can go back to the and the lying and the chaos and the complaining and the antagonism and the division and I think like making that the choice and the contrast about the future is a is a is the right thing to do I think I have two thoughts on this because I think first and foremost it's been it's been really interesting for Donald Trump to pretend he wasn't president um I mean believe me if I could just black out 2016 to 2020 I would but like the degree like bringing in RFK and talking about like oh we're going to make America healthy again I'm like I know from the to the guy who fed every National Championship team McDonald's when they visited the hey hey hey hey hey hey hey hey we who this person is and the degree to which he needs to obfuscate his own presidency is baffling to me I will also say that like they're you know there Afghanistan is going to come up Donald Trump talked a lot about getting troops out of Afghanistan do you remember the like Donald the dove thing in 2016 remember that I do and like the degree to which the same people who were like we you know it's America first we got to get out of Afghanistan Joe Biden did it Joe Biden said like okay we got to do this this is the end of this and like obviously I wish it had gone differently but it is over and it's time for it to end and like you know for people who even more specifically on that Donald Trump negotiated the deal with the Taliban to get us out 911 and and and Donald Trump has always say he invited the Taliban to Camp David on 9911 yes and actually that we would have withdrawn from Afghanistan earlier under the Trump time frame Joe Biden extended it now again I'm with you like it didn't end well we shouldn't pretend it was it wasn't like the most consequential airlift in history like disastrous things happened on that day service members lost their lives a lot of people helped out the United States uh were left behind but the fact that Trump whitewashes his own record on Afghanistan makes me crazy no and it it's it's it's really frustrating to see Trump promise something to people and people be like yes we want that and then someone does it and people being we don't like how it happened I don't like how it happened either but someone did it and I think that there's something really to be said about how we cannot as voters as people as you know kamla Harris in the debate you can't let Trump have it both ways you can't let him be the best president and also a bystander it's not fair and it's not fair to us as voters yeah that is his that is his shtick all right real quick Around the Horn um you're talking a Harris right before she goes out on stage what is the the one thing you want her to leave voters with and and do in this debate if you have one thing to say Dan it is that voters want to hear voters want to hear KL Harris talk about comml Harris more they want to hear KL Harris talk about Trump what they are thirsting for is information about her her story her visions and the kind of pres she would be it's we're not just one piece of bad information away from a bunch of Swing voters leaving Trump yeah you are big he is small like you like you are in conversation with the American people and he is talking to a tiny segment of the [Applause] population he believes it is 1987 forever you are aware that it is 2024 he is done this is over end it now yeah yeah and you said this I think is just he cares about himself I fighting for the whole country all he cares about is himself that's it and I'm I'm for everyone um okay we're going to take a quick break but when we come back you're going to hear from Chris Love of Arizona for abortion access as you know sometimes the choices in politics can be pretty Stark here in Arizona you have the folks who love the Chris Love on Abortion Rights in Arizona 1864 abortion ban and then you have the folks working night and day to enshrine abortion rights in your Constitution through 139 joining us now is Chris Love spokesperson for Arizona for abortion access welcome Chris CH hey Chris hey how are you where do you need me to stand right over [Applause] there well I was nervous but what a warm welcome good evening Arizona so I'm thrilled to speak to you guys tonight right first I want to thank the Relentless and really damn funny and smart Advocates at pod save for coming to Phoenix and for giving me a few minutes to tell you the story of proposition 139 the Arizona abortion access [Applause] act so let me take you back a couple of years and in 2022 when Trump's Supreme Court threw away 50 years of legal precedent to destroy R versus Wade I know buhis they created chaos all over the country and definitely here in the state of Arizona it caused doctors and nurses to fear that they might lose their licenses and their freedom because the laws that we had still on the books included Criminal penalties for anyone performing or assisting with an abortion I know boo keep right and that's on top of fearing for the health and safety of pregnant patients in Arizona who could no longer be legally treated what happened in Arizona in 2022 was dangerous and unjust and it's why Reproductive Rights healthc care and voting rights organizations got together to create what is now proposition 139 the Arizona abortion access so prop 139 is a constitutional amendment that will be on our ballot this fall and we all must vote Yes on Prop 139 it gives Freedom back to patients and their doctors to make personal medical decisions that are right for them and it gets politicians out of the way but we still need your help to press prop 139 right so please please go to our website arizona4 abortion access.org and donate because it's expensive sign up to volunteer and tell everyone who'll listen why we all need to vote Yes it's going to be a long ballot folks four pages this year yeah exactly and prop 139 is going to be on the back at the bottom right so we need your help to get the word out just a little more this is our chance to make history again and protect right to abortion access here in Arizona free from government interference yeah but again I need every single person in this office Auditorium tonight to do what you can and stand with us every day from now until November 5th we cannot do this without you I'm so grateful to be in this fight with our pod save Phoenix folks today and with all of you thank you so much and we'll see you at our Victory party on November 5th JD Vance Picks a Fight with John McCain thank you so much sir all right let's get back to the news uh I'm sure a lot of you were at the uh Arizona builtmore on Thursday um to catch the uh charismatic Powerhouse of the 2024 cycle Ohio Senator JD Vance um you're just mad cuz he's so [Laughter] hot so at one point uh Vance was asked about the recent news that John McCain's son Jimmy a veteran like his father has decided to vote for KLA Harris uh here's what he said I do not believe for a second that if John McCain were alive today and he sees what's going on at the American southern border that he would support kamla Harris and all the destruction that she's wrought who cares what somebody's family thinks about a presidential race I care about what these people care about the presidential race I I I really couldn't the media is turning into a story what John McCain's family says about Donald Trump uh I'm not sure I'd be so dismissive of a family that's revered in a a must-win state that went blue in 2020 but then again I don't have JD Vance's political Acumen so um but I bring this up because the McCain brand of conservatism was once the the dominant strain of politics here in Arizona not very long ago uh now we got Carrie Lake and Joe Arpaio um you guys don't like them uh Jane you've been doing a lot of uh reporting on this and what's changed uh what did you learn uh so first and foremost let me just say again he went to Ohio State yeah there you go that's there you go that's what happens but so I I had the opportunity to speak with amazing Arizona State legis later Lena Austin and they told me about how the Republicans that they experience on a daily basis are so extreme that when they talk to other people about them people don't believe them you know you talk about somebody like Wendy Rogers who has not yet met a Nazi she's not into Wendy Rogers who said that you know we got it right in 1864 but we we had this really great conversation talking about how Arizona is changing but the Republican party here has been locked in this Purity spiral of election denialism and election denialism continued and we saw this in 2020 we saw it with Carrie Lake deciding that she's actually Governor which you know she isn't but what we've seen again and again and you guys know this you know that arizonans are Chang in arizonans are diverse arizonans are thoughtful arizonans don't want any of this and so but to speak specifically about the Republican party I talked with amazing journalist Jen ffield from vote beat awesome writer and she was talking about how like yeah you know there's always been this swath of the airs in a GOP that has adhered to extremism I mean Joe arpeo for example and like the tea party you can go back 20 25 years or something like that but it really has been that since um chemtrail Kelly and we we all remember our favorite person Kelly Ward um you know there really has been this ongoing takeover of the Republican Party by extremists who when they lose they decide no no no I didn't lose it was stolen and then they double down and double down it through primary after primary and so I think that it's it's really important I've got a couple of notes here because it's not just the 1864 band it's also prop 314 it's also you know prop 137 which would be a lifetime appointment for judges which yeah yeah immediately no no we see we've seen how that goes so there are so many important issues to focus on in this election especially because the Arizona legislature if we get it to 5050 that's Democratic trifecta in this state and I think that that's something that people like Lena people like Chris people are fighting for across the state and like while Carrie Lake can go watch Texas A&M lose let's go see her lose here yeah uh so Tommy you know as Jane was saying it's not just in Arizona it's like all over the country um losing it's cool right everybody's into it one example of a very uh magga Republican party nominating a very magga candidate is in North Carolina um they have uh their nominee for governor is this kgu bananas guy Mark Robinson um he's called uh gay people filth Michelle Obama a man uh Beyonce satanic uh Muslims Invaders women unfit to lead and mass shootings karma for for abortions that's but there was a story about him this week that was even crazier um a former employee of a video porn shop in Greensboro uh he said that about 20 years ago Mark Robinson he didn't just frequent the the the store once in a while five nights a week five nights a week he he was a regular in the the porn preview booths in the porn shop very respectful customer he said don't worry um I know you've been following the story closely uh yeah first of all I don't like how you put phrase that um second of all I'm happy to tell you about it because I have that's what I thought yeah Mark Robinson the current lieutenant governor of North Carolina Republican nominee to be Governor I mean he he became famous he became well known in Republican circles because right after Parkland shooting he went to I think a city hall or town hall meeting and he gave this you know very high energy uh speech about how gun control was wrong and then he later said a bunch of horrible things about the Parkland students um uh he called them spoiled little bastards uh in media prostitut um which is a up thing to say about high school kids in any context but you know these were kids who had just survived the mass shooting they killed 17 people in their own High School so it's you know I think that that kind of tells you everything you need to know about Mark Robinson unfortunately for the uh Republicans in North Carolina Mark Robinson told us much much more about himself on Facebook over and over and over again he was also a holocaust denier he used to quote Hitler all the time he said that a black panther was uh Jews trying to take money from black people or think she I think sheel sheel sheel say she which um it's hard to remember he he said that um he wanted to go back to a time before women could vote uhuh that was another one of his things and so yeah I mean of course what that led to was Republicans loving him and him winning the Republican nomination and I think Donald Trump told him that he was Martin Luther King on steroids I believe that's an exact quote um so yeah so that man suffer enough I so this gets back to the story John was mentioning uh there is a great uh outlet in North Carolina I think it's called the assembly it's a local North Carolina outlet they interviewed that's big assembly fans back right on um interviewed some folks who worked I guess at the front desk at some of these 24-hour porn stores they said that Mark Robin said would come in all the time the deal was you could buy a video for a lot of money or preview a video for less money so he did that um and it gets worse Mark Robinson worked at a pizza shop so we'd bring in a pizza and bring it to the booth and eat the pizza in the booth where you preview the video it's so far all I'm hearing is King shaming I don't know bring a bring a black light to that restaurant we're trying to yuck his yum and so don't if you have had pizza after a good night and so two great things go great together what's happening with the what's happening with the leftovers there long one of the topics on that pizza uh long disc wow we were all thinking it uh long disgusting story short I read that and I was like this is very funny but also it's like the least bad thing I've ever heard about Mark Robinson like I'm go jerk off all you want I don't care just like don't do all the other stuff but what it confused me was like like hey man like get a VCR right do this do this in the comfort of your own home and so I tweeted that and I was very rapidly informed about how naive I am about what actually goes on in these booths in the back of the store with the pizza and the whatever else so projection is what they were trying to say so yeah um we got to beat that guy Josh Stein Josh Stein was was beat him the wrong word but defeat him hang on I I want to I want to talk about this for a second because we've seen sounds pretty wacky got to spank him at the PSE we got to stop this jerk off I want to I want to get serious here for a second because we've seen how Republicans they know that abortion is a losing issue for them which everyone in America could have been like yeah we know um and so there was you know a recent ad that Mark Robinson dragged his wife into to talk about an abortion she had about 20 years ago and this is the same person who said that abortion happens because women can't keep their skirts down and I just want to say again like you can see it happening across the board you see it happening in Florida you see it happening in every state in which abortion is on the ballot in which Republicans who had long said that abortions should be banned that women who have abortions are evil that women who have abortions are murderers after dos they were like actually what we meant was we want french abortion law and uh it's you know it's not really a big deal anymore we don't really care and like you can see that with Mark Robinson dragging his wife into this this you know this is again this is a person who basically accused anyone who has used Reproductive Services of being a and then he's like well actually uh I really support our current laws and I totally understand this is very comp Le issue and so one Mark Robinson's full of and two I think that it it's been interesting to me again and again to see how Republicans try to obfuscate their own extremism and sandwash themselves to say like no no no what I meant was I want french abortion law no no no what I want is that I think abortion is bad for women like don't let people lie to you to your face and I I I see that happen with Mark Robinson on this issue you see it happening in States you know you saw people in Kansas and Kentucky and you're seeing it in Missouri you're seeing it here you're seeing people saying stop with me stop it we're done with it go back to your little booth in the store with your pizza yeah figure it out you you work up quite an appetite so what you do with your pizza is your business it's a dipping sauce that's [Applause] [Laughter] uh trying to figure out a segue to the Cheney endorsements So speaking of shooting in the [Applause] [Laughter] [Applause] face I still got it I still got it anyway John you got a question that's the the good side of the party um uh this week friend of the Pod Liz Cheney um and her father poster child for compassionate conservatism Dick Cheney um both said they were they're voting for kamla Harris um I I have to ask I have to have to know which of you thought in like 2002 that you'd be like woo dick chaining yeah love it how do you feel that you are voting for the same candidate as Dick Cheney and the more serious question how many more of these Old Guard Republicans that are you know sort of a shrinking in number at this point um do you think the Harris campaign should go after do you think this is these are valuable endorsements in anyway what do you think uh well first of all I mean d Chan and I voted the same way before we voted the same way in 2008 I'm just kidding just kidding just kidding just kidding uh so clip it I was I was a puma uh so I I we should be very like like we should fully Embrace that dick CH like there's a little bit I think of like online a few being like ah Dick Cheney is bad like it feels weird no no we should be unabashedly embracing the fact that Dick Cheney and Liz Cheney are endorsing KL Harris the reason we we should because it because we did not compromise to get that endorsement no and when people look I wish it weren't as hard for leading Republicans to admit the truth and do the right thing but clearly it is because so few of them have done it and we can decide whether or not these people were weaker and shittier and more Craven than we could have possibly imagined or if this does require some moral courage it's probably a mix of both but when someone does something hard that you've asked them to do you should be glad that they did it yeah we forget that there was this moment when there were some Republicans who were anti-trump but also anti-democrat they were like well if Democrats really believed what they said about the threat of trump they'd compromise all their values to get de Republicans to come vote they'd be they'd compromise on Choice they'd compromise on the economy they'd compromise on Healthcare whatever it may be and we haven't done that right we've been on we've shifted to the left like on economic policy like we have we have we're fighting for abortion access all across the country and so when when Dick Cheney Embraces that that's not something that reflects poorly on us just reflects actually poorly on all the Republicans that are refusing to do it so I think like as much as we can be telling a story about those kinds of Republicans willing to come out and say I'm not just I'm not writing in Abraham Lincoln because I'm not a child I understand that there's two people on that ballot I'm either for Trump or I'm for KLA Harris I'm either going to participate or I'm not I think the better and like yes like you know I saw there was a story today about like no one expects George W bush uh to come out of his um studio uh to to help the country uh not the first time we've been disappointed by George W bush won't be the last his his office put out a statement saying he's not endorsing yeah so I'm like okay well dick Cheney did it yeah he put out a what's the point of having a profile man do something what are you waiting for yeah again we're waiting we we we are genuinely waiting for George W bush no nobody's waiting but like he's got a choice like you're going to vote or you're not so just like to your point before to your point before though like I do think it has been really just interesting and confusing if you look at like Bush Republicans from the early 2000s who have turned out to have like backbone and integrity and you have who have been craving little weasel and like honest it's surprising in both directions no and it it was wild if you watch the Republican National Convention you'd believe that the Republican Party began in 2016 they're like yeah before then it was just like yeah I I don't know you know Ronald Reagan who he like it just it's been it's been wild the ahistoric of the Republican party where it's just like it's Trump it's all Trump everybody's Trump trump Trump trump and like it it's I mean I mean as someone who was and remained deeply opposed to literally everything Dick Cheney did sometimes a broken clock is right like it'll happen sometimes Cheney welcome to the resistance uh Dan you and I talked uh on Friday's pod about how unlikely it is that the Republican Party even if Trump loses goes back to the days of Cheney McCain whatever they still sucked clear yeah um but you know Benji sand and semaphor had a good piece about how uh like these the Maga candidates who have like refashioned themselves in Donald Trump's image don't seem to be doing well electorally right and so which is great we applaud that yeah and like why do you think that is and and what do you think that means for like democrats facing Republican candidates who aren't as Maga as a Carrie lake or a Donald Trump or so I think there are ways to look about this first is it is important for Democrats who truly understand Donald Trump's appeal because he's in his third national election he is trending towards as we see here again getting another 47% of Americans to vote for him for president and part of that and what's interesting is that Donald Trump is not a popular person but the Republican party is much less popular than Donald Trump he for a lot of Voters represents an outsider right it's important to understand just how big a celebrity Donald Trump is for a lot of Americans like I had someone sent me a uh Pizza Hut ad from the early 2000s of Donald Trump oh he was the Pizza Hut spokesperson eating Pizza Hut on Trump Forest one as is this Avatar of wealth in America he was in an episode of Sex in the City if in the city he was in Home Alone too was he previewing a movie he was in um got that and and because of his and because of his celebrity he is able to UD two of the things that have failed Republicans in most elections one because he is this celebrity millionaire thric married CAD from New York he doesn't come across as the same sort of abortion hating homophobic Republican even though all of his policies reflect that to most people and so there is this view among a lot of Voters that in the RAR test that he is personally more social liberal than Republicans then also because he has run as this nationalist candidate he also doesn't seem like the Social Security cutting tax cut giving away Republicans like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and so he's alluding both those things so when you take another like the sort of magga candidates like Carrie Lake who lost in 2022 what they are is they're just worst versions of the Republicans that people already hate and so part of that you can look at that and say well yes if we are able to defeat Donald Trump as I sure hope we do and he does not run for president again now the Republicans have they've adopted a philosophy with a bunch of people who do not have the Charisma or the ability to carry that movement forward like honestly the two people be if you would ask us two years ago who are the two people who would be the potential leaders of the mega movement that Donald Trump were to go away and that person was not Donald Trump Jr it would be Ronda sandis and JD Vance yeah these people cannot even order Donuts like a human okay but but they're even if they do not have Donald Trump's like political appeal and that makes me want to throw up in my mouth to say that but even if they don't have that what Donald Trump has created to something incredibly dangerous in the radicalization of a generation of Republicans that goes forward and means that in in a polarized country any Republican can win in a certain year if the if the conditions are right so we are yes we can defeat Donald Trump here we have to defeat we have to defeat car Lake but the seeds of what created Donald Trump and car lake is going to exist going forward and that's something we have to take on yeah I mean Mark Mark Robinson is still in the hunt he's the current lieutenant governor y I think I mean one thing that I think is always interesting is we were told over and over in 2016 and 2017 that trumpism was about populism about economic protectionism and it's been interesting to see how many trumpist candidates were like I hear that I'm just going to be racist like Cory Stewart in Virginia who is from Minnesota went to St Olaf College and then was like the people who want to take down Confederate memorials are the Taliban like you saw that again Roy Moore in Alabama like Carrie L you see this again and again and again about how trumpism there is no such thing as trumpism there are people like the populist project as you're seeing now as Tucker Carlson decides that Nazism is a fun new thing we're trying like it's been interesting again to see like there is no such thing that trumpist ideology does not exist because it can't exist Beyond him he has no coattails there's no one who's like oh I'm going to you know try and do this thing it's just people hating people it's Marco Rubio saying that I'm fine making Amazon workers piss in bottles so that they don't have to leave the clock as long as they don't sell books about trans people it's Josh Holly being whatever that is like there are no coattails there is no such thing as trumpism there is only Trump and weirdo trumpist drag [Laughter] queens either way we got to beat him so uh Vota america.com uh head there sign up if you haven't we're trying to uh get as many volunteers as we can for our organizer else goals we're trying to hit 75,000 people so go to votesaveamerica.com if you haven't signed up already and when we come back Dan talks to your next senator Ruben Ruben Gallego Interview gyo please welcome to the stage your Congressman in the next senator from Arizona Ruben gyo I think they like [Music] you okay so you just heard us talk for the last 20 minutes or so about how politics in Arizona have changed over the years you're a lifelong arizonan you've run for office here I want to get your take of how Arizona went from the Arizona Republicans went from the party of John McCain to the party of Carri Lake how long do we have as long as you need sir look you know I many of us actually know the McCain family have known the McCain family and I think one of the things that people don't understand the reason why Democrats Independents and Republicans have respect for the McCain family it's not the politics it's the service right and the fact that s McCain and his family we at the core always understood that they would always put country first and we saw that time and time again even though many of us here were knocking doors trying to make sure some someone else got elected a lot of times but at the court we knew that that was still a good man uh and then that family really was dedicated to Arizona and the United States I think what happened many many many times and this is prior even to Donald Trump is that politicians moved from service to self-service and KY lake is a prime example of that as soon as she saw that she can gain some power as soon as she saw the ability to gain some uh Fame uh you know and when she realized that she was a failed newscast the next thing she wanted to do was become a failed politician um and I'm going toensure that's going to happen again uh but this is why if you ever see car lak's you know evolution in politics it's all over the place because she will say anything anything possible she will lie she will confuse people she'll try to confuse you she's gotten sued by fellow Republicans she admitted that she lied about the 2020 election now she is lying about lying about the 20 election um but that's a very dangerous politician because like as you said you know this is a 5050 States so you know On Any Given roll the dice they can win and that's very consequential I have been fascinated by your race because for many reasons one obviously what's happening in Arizona is going to turn control the Senate control the white house uh so many important things but it's also really Ground Zero for I think the three issues that are finding the 2024 election across the country abortion immigration and the big lie and so I wanted to start with abortion right where you have had this 1864 law you have the prop 139 now on the ballot and you have a an opponent who is has in a position that I can't truly understand she has been for the law against the law but I want to just ask you how prop 139 and sort of the Emergen of abortion has changed your race and if you could possibly tell me what Cary lak's position on abortion actually is well 139 is exp is important because we need to protect women's rights to control their body without a doubt and leaving this uh leaving this this right uh to the Arizona legislature and you've met them uh you met the good ones um it's but it's it's scary right and so the work that Chris Love uh and the prop 139 committee is doing is is is heroic work for uh Arizona um how has this changed I will say this Arizona actually has always been a fairly uh pro-choice State Democrats and Republicans you know the Goldwater family was involved in the first starting of pled Parenthood here uh in Arizona um it's not uncommon if you go to a Planned Parenthood uh lunch in here you will see Republican uh women there and and you know a lot of them uh I think what this has done though now this conversation has been pushed forward into other areas uh for the first time in you know since I can remember uh I hear Latino men talking about about abortion rights I hear them talking about concern that the health of their wives and their family and their daughters is now at risk because of these extreme uh politicians that took away their family's ability to make choices for themselves uh I hear you know you know your your kind of country club Republican male now talking about how extreme this is so this has really kind of cross these barriers that just didn't exist before and I think now everyone feels more comfortable having these conversations versus before a lot of people did not really talk about abortion rights outside the confines of politics and now it's something that we hear and we talk about uh and almost you know feel people feel very comfortable talking about it in every uh aspect because now we realize that it is really really at risk where is car Lake on this um we don't know but it's bad and here's what you know in in 2022 she said the 1864 law was a great law what was the 1864 law let's make sure we understand that is it said no exceptions for rape or incest to begin with number one great law is what she called it if you're a provider a doctor a nurse that decided to give uh an abortion to someone who for example did get raped or was a victim of incest uh two years mandatory in jail and she called that a great law so fast forward uh to uh 1884 wow uh sorry I was in the Navajo Nation early in the morning so um uh to 2024 what did she start saying about this now it's it's a great law but um it's a shame that the Attorney General won't enforce it the sheriffs of Arizona should enforce it have you guys met some of the sheriffs in Arizona there's some good ones but imagine back in the day Sheriff Jor enforcing some of these like extreme abortion Bans and on and on on so she will say anything she will do anything the most important thing we have to understand is women are in danger if KY lake is elected what she says now we cannot take to the bank if she CH if she said only two years ago that this was a great law uh if she if this is the same person that says she was thrilled when uh row uh was overturned how can we trust her with a women's right to control her body we can't it's not it's not a safe choice and a point I would make for listen everyone here in this room notice this but for listeners back home are going to hear this podcast tomorrow morning is difference between Ruben Geo and car Lake in the Senate is difference between likely giving president K Harris a majority that would enshrine ruy wade is the law on this country 100% yes so I want to talk a little about immigration right you're a congressman from a border state uh I watch all the political ads I've seen K lak's ads and the super pack ads about you they're largely about uh the Border they're attacking You On the Border car lake has even uh Associated herself or e or sort of um echoed some of the great replacement Theory and now she's talked about why people come to this country and immigrants in the Democratic party H how is immigration coming up in your race and what is it that Democrats on the country don't maybe don't get about the politics of immigration when you're from a place like Arizona well I think actually the Democrats in Arizona actually get and understand border politics and immigration better than almost anyone else in the country we we've had we've been having this discussion uh for years and also we're very realistic about uh the Border in the Border Politics the problems but also some of the benefits right right now if we would get uh on the road we'd get to the Border probably no godess in about two and a half hours 2 hours and 15 minutes how I drive um but what does that mean is that we actually understand the border for for what it is right billions billions and billions of dollars worth of trade crosses that border every day uh we have US citizens that live on the Mexico side and come over we have Mexican Nationals that come over and work here in the United States and Shop during covid one of the two places in the country where na where non-american citiz where noncitizens were allowed to cross over was Yuma Arizona you know why if we didn't have those Mexican Nationals that have VIs us to cross over to pull our uh winter lettuce the majority of the winter lettuce in America would have gone would have rotted on the field so we understand the border that this is something that we can work with but we also need to improve it right uh we do need more border patrol we need more uh Customs agents we need more technology to check the fentanyl but we also need politicians that are willing to work for Border Solutions and not want a border problem right and that's what car Lake represents you know we had a a good border compromise bill that would have brought in more uh security at the border more scanners all the technology we wanted uh to you know for it for us to be checking the vehicles that are coming through so we could actually stop the fentanyl at uh the border and Carrie Lake said do not vote for it not because there was a better Bill coming up not because if you held out it's going to come better it's going to be better because she knew that if this was a solution that it would end her campaign she needs that border drama because she has nothing else to talk about what she going to talk about abortion we already just talked about that right so this is why U you know when we talk about it if you see our commercials we actually talk about Solutions we talk about what we've done too you know one of the first bills uh I jumped in on to help out uh when I first got to Congress was with Martha M another veteran to help veterans move uh from leaving the military and go become border patrol just a couple weeks ago I joined with a republican uh Dan khaw who has a really good bill to help uh government officials law enforcement be able to transfer over um their clearances so that way it doesn't take as long with bureaucracy so these are the things that we consistently point out uh and I think that's the difference is that you know when car Lake sees a border problem she runs to the camera I run to Solutions and that's how we're going to win this there's obviously in dealing with the with immigration un States there's two challenges right there is border security and there's what do we do with the immigrants who are already here yeah and what you do the undocumented people already here and how do you find the balance in that conversation between border security and a comprehensive immigration reform that is fair I I got to tell you I think it's mostly the Washington DC kind of punditry that doesn't understand that most your Middle Road Arizona wants both border security and Immigration Form right it's not an either or and and and this is you know this is not just you know talking to your your you know your country club Republican in in Mesa or scoto if you talk to Latinos they'll say the same thing too it said you know they want to see more security at the border they want to see uh you know stricter uh you know Asylum uh claims being adjudicated but they also want to deal with the status of dreamers right the fact that we have hundreds of thousands of dreamers in Arizona and they're not kids anymore they now have families they're teachers they're part of our community they have businesses they have homes and you know you have a very severe threat coming from people like Kake who says she will Deport dreamers right in a time and place where these people are part of our society they have American Kids uh many of them uh we have one politician that's going to deport uh these people that came here not through their own bition and want to be US citizens but if it isn't for our own isn't because of the broken immigration system they don't actually have the ability to do that there are lots of other families right we talk about how you know you we're a country of of of uh you know keeping families together and making families strong we have a lot of mixed status families right where we have a woman who is married to a US citizen but has not been able to fix her paperwork uh now we should give them an opportunity to also uh become here legally and get in the process and it's it's so at the same time we can also have border security it's possible to do that we've done it in the past I don't understand why we think we can't do it again I'm I'm glad you brought up dreamers because you may not remember this but 10 years ago I think it was 10 years ago you flew to Arizona on Air Force One with Barack Obama yeah yeah and he was coming here to do an event on housing policy I think was right after the State of the Union in 2014 or 2015 and you were fresh into Congress at the time and there was a group of really well-meaning young people who were planning to protest the president at the event they were dreamers oh yeah and we didn't know what we were going to do about the pro about the protest and Congressman guo said he would go meet with them and talk to them about it before the event and I remember very well I watched that meeting it was an incredibly impressive thing you sat down with these young people you listen to their concerns you address them you promis they'd have someone in Washington who listen to them and that is something that has always stuck with me when I thought about you and your political career in that moment thank you I thank you look yeah my you know I have so many friends that are close friends that that are dreamers and I've been working uh with them and and you know I used to call them kids and now they're you know adults they have kids uh you know they're they're they're like family to me and uh it would be just a stain on this country uh if if we deported them because we couldn't fix our immigrations more we couldn't stop these you know radical politicians like like car Lake but I mean in general you know I think that's the one thing that we just don't do enough and I think this is one of the reasons why we're doing well on this campaigns because we are traveling the state we're going to some of the reddest areas of the state and I am actually sitting down having conversations with my Republican counterparts treating them with respect uh asking what they need what they what they look what they're looking for from their Senator and from the government and guess what super majority of the time I'm not getting any support uh and that's fine but I'm making myself available to them so they know that they have someone to talk to that even uh if you didn't support me in this election when I'm in there I'm going to come back uh to havu I'm going be coming back uh you know to Mojave County I'm going to be going back to some of these places that you know what are ignored by Democrats and Republicans and uh even you know after 75% time when I get rejected we do get one or two uh Republicans are saying you know what I'm glad you're here I'm glad we're talking I want to build on this and I am going to support you and I think that's more and more that we need to be doing and look Arizona uh is not representative by uh this popul here it's still is a republican lead State there are about 200,000 more Republicans registered in Arizona than Democrats so as a Democrat you have to work across the aisle to get them to come over to support you uh and that means you have to have very honest and Frank conversations so Arizona is also one of the states where the Trump folks worked very hard to overturn the election there's been an indictment of Arizona politicians including several former AIDS of the Trump campaign a lot of Republicans who are running for office in Battleground states have tried to walk away from their role in the big lie in January 6 and all of that uh your opponent is one of the proudest and loudest pushers of the dangerous conspiracy theory the big lie yeah is this something voters are still interested in focused on does it come up in your race it does but it's it it kind of comes up in the overall picture of who she is she's dangerous she'll say anything do anything to get power and they don't trust her because of that that um it also comes up with a lot of you know Independents uh Republicans and Veterans uh people that you know like me sort of uphold the Constitution of the United States at a very young age um that still feel that you know they have some uh fty to that oath and that someone like krie lake is violating that and consistently and it's also insulting right you know you're telling these people that somehow in 2022 two other Republicans running Statewide got more vot than her and then we also elected two Republicans in swing congressional districts and kept the state house and state senator for Republicans but we decided somehow to just screw her election so like in our whole like and and by the way the fact that Democrats are that organized to do that I I love us but let's be honest but this this is what she's telling people like and she's I mean she believes it uh you know I I had a run in with her at the airport and when I asked her like how did you how did you lose how did these other two Republicans win and and you lose and she just like everybody knows I just win full full full full um but you know this is something that you know people see and they and they kind of attached to other politics like how can I trust you if you're lying to my face and then she gets Su for defamation then she admits that she lies part of the the the lawsuit and and now she's lying about lying about the lawsuit so this is where you know she's doing the basic mistake I think in Arizona politics that people do not trust her and they're not going to trust someone who they think is just a craving politician doing whatever she can just to gain power okay last in very tough question for you how can the people either in this room or listening at home how can they help you defeat Cary Lake and give the Democrats majority that President KL Harris needs in the Senate thank you number one we got to get our commercials out there we got to get our mail got to get our digital you can donate wwwo for arizona.com really appreciate it it's gyo not gyos happens a lot it's okay uh two you know this uh election uh whether it's top of ticket all the way to the bottom they're going to be decided to buy a couple hundred votes uh a couple thousand votes we had a a attorney general's race that last year was decided with around 250 votes right uh so door knock call volunteer every time you can we have about 30 days till ballots drop we're an early voting State arizonans Democrats Republicans Independents love to vote early so let's talk to them let's have respectful conversations with our fellow arizonans let's remind them that we're all Patriots we all want to do the same thing we all want Arizona to move forward if we do that we will win Arizona again please give it up for your next Senator Ruben goo thank you thank you all right when we come back a Kari Lake Lake Don't Tell Me game and we're back there are two kinds of people in this world there's the kind of person who bumps into their political opponent at outside a bathroom at Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport and thinks even though I find my opponent's election denialism in extremism ofor we are both human beings and perhaps in this one fleeting moment away from the draw of endless shouting matches and viral confrontations we might be able to see each other as such and perhaps if I model the kind of patriotism that says we can argue and compete at the end of the day shake hands and respect the outcome of an election we can help restore that kind of politics for all of us until you notice she's sort of cheating out a little because is she filming me and then there's the other kind of person the person filming you and so it's time for a game we're calling carried interest AKA lake lake don't tell [Applause] [Laughter] [Applause] me most arizonans they understand that car lake is a dangerous crank they've already gone to the polls once and said no thank you but like a chef offering you seconds of a dish you sent back because you ordered your burger medium but what came out was well done dog Carrie lake is back we have to remind arizonans of just how out of touch and out of her mind she is because it's frankly hard to believe here's how it works we have two teams Ruben gyo because you were a marine I've teamed you up with the second toughest person on this stage Jane let's go let's do it Tommy John and Dan will be the other team I will ask questions you will alternate going first if you are right you get a point if not the other team can steal for two points now it says here that John Tommy and Dan are group a but former and active military members board first so we're going to start with Jane and the congressman question one uh denying the results of the election she lost in 20122 Carrie Lake claimed to have who blood coursing through her veins Trump incorrect the steel whose blood whose blood did she say was coursing through her veins as she fought to steal the election Barry Goldwater that's a good call I'm sorry you want you can you can go George Washington yes wow was the founding fathers uh she said Benjamin Franklin and the founding fathers many assumed it was a metaphor but she actually broke into the Smithsonian in a daring midnight r no that's not that's not right uh all right over to John Dan and Tommy to Carrie lakes's ongoing refusal to accept election results she doesn't like has actually inspired a song what is the name of that song uh I mean you I have no idea and I'm proud of that 81 million votes so close 81 million votes my ass correct wow I believe we have I believe we have a clip it's a rap song too just be clear theyve pissed off and already pissed off woman million votes my ass the crime was committed in broad daylight we're living on planet crazy we are living on planet crazy it does slap uh all right she wants to vote on your behalf in the Senate just remember that all right Jane Congressman gyo when sued for defamation over her baseless allegations against election officials the kinds of allegations that have led to threats and forc officials to go into hiding how did Carrie Lake defend her previous comments in March of this year she uh admitted that she actually lied yeah and accepted the fact that she said that she defamed Steven Richard yes I I feel like people don't appreciate this didn't know that she did not people don't get this she did not contest the charges she surrendered allowed the court to move straight to damages and then as you pointed out during the interview she's now lying about how she admitted to lying about the big lie yes wow there's a you may have noticed she's kind of a liar yeah it comes up a lot that's the that's the through line human lie to John Tommy and Dan according to Carrie Lake when did America First see racial hatred when did it appear uh the it was the Obama it was when Barack Obama was elected that's correct yeah that's right that's correct I I don't believe there was racist hatred Obama stoked that oh so it's one less thing to worry about oh well uh back to you congressman and Jane what did Carrie Lake consider one of the greatest acts of cowardice in American history she described this as one of the greatest acts of cowardice what was the ACT uh um uh uh voting to protect the ACA incorrect for the steel H Mike Pence is it m Mike Pence Mike Pence that's correct it was Mike Pence certifying the election Mike fence not creating a new madeup rule which is the vice president picks the president was an act of carice I don't want to bring the vibe down but I actually was thinking about this which is Congressman no look is so high right now what the vibe is so great the vibe is great but no but I really wanted to ask you this which is look I don't I don't like Mike Pence very much but you can't describe what he did as caradus he was under a lot of pressure and he stood up to do the right thing you've someone who's shown courage and you've been around people that shown courage you're humble but that's a big part of who you are what does it tell you about Carrie Lake's character that she is confusing a genuine Act of like backbone with kadus well she doesn't she's never had been put in a situation like that and because she never has ever put in a situation where she has to make a decision between herself and Country she basically makes an excuse and tries to say someone else is a coward when in fact she is the coward I say when car Lake said I'm in perfect health the brakes on my car have been checked and they're in working order I am not SU idal who is she suggesting might try to take her out you guys take this one sure yeah Joe Biden incorrect Hillary Clinton it was Hillary Clinton that was a Twist should have known honestly that's always the answer well that's your second fault when I die with her it's always that yeah yeah that we should have known is there Slaughter rule to this I be like I know yeah wow you are crushing I understand there's a sports term in there like how like in a little league game if the kids are winning by too much all right back to you congressman and Jane Carrie Lake was caught on tape saying the only people who can enforce that law are our sheriffs and we need to start asking the sheriffs if they're willing to enforce that what is the law Carrie Lake was referring to 1864 abortion law that's correct she said that in April of this year when she was meeting with Republicans behind closed doors less than six months ago a law she has repeatedly praised you know what that sound means do you know what says some needs it's a lightning round where the points really add up and so and so it's time to play a round of Say it with me who would Carrie Lake throw in jail for personal or political reasons [Applause] [Laughter] now anyone can shout out the answer if they know it that's how the lightning round Works how dare you said you Harley Jarvis he's compare how dare you all right Carrie lake is not just brainstormed about getting sheriffs to enforce an abortion law pass before women could vote or doctors knew about washing their hands uh believing the government should go after people she doesn't like is her kind of kind of her vibe any team can answer first up Carrie Lake referred to the m members of this profession as criminals doctors not here teachers nurses you're getting warmer give you a hint they're the enemy of the people fouches we'll get there Journal it's journalists journalist it's journalist close we should have known that do not believe a word that the corrupt media says that they're they're liars and frankly I think they're Criminal y they should be wild she was she was an anchor I believe a TV anchor she was a TV anchor that she wasn't part of the profession double checking that was that's seal of the converted yeah yeah not a good one Carrie Lake said ior me it is a wonder drug before suggesting the sheriff's arrest this doctor that is true I'm encouraging any law any Lawman here and I'm talking sheriffs to issue a warrant for Anthony F she's arrest out of Arizona Carri Lake also wanted to jail this opponent and former Arizona Secretary of State uh Katy hob Hobs correct ktie Hobbs is going to have a really tough time campaigning from behind bars to be honest what do you mean Katie Hobbs is going to be behind bars okay you know what I mean Steve she's the she's basically The Mastermind of the 2020 election you didn't know this you didn't know this it was Katie Hobbs pulling Obama strings pulling Biden strings pulling com it all it goes all the way to the top Katie [Laughter] Hobs yeah arrest her arrest her ring light there man her face was glowing I know I just I have to say that in comparison to Steve fan I'm like damn Carrie yeah that lighting is so good that lighting is good also good our winners Congressman Ruben gyo and Jane have won the game now speaking of winning the game I did want to leave you with this moment from uh Carrie Lake the media hit your record button back there my pronouns are i w her pronouns are i1 yeah I just no she didn't no and that's not what pronouns are she didn't win and to make sure she doesn't win uh go to gyo for Arizona and vote saav america.com and sign up to make sure we put Ruben gyo in the Senate and send Carrie Lake back to truth social where she belongs that's our show for tonight thank you to Ruben gyo thanks Jane check out what a day on Monday and go see the vot America Booth outside thank you guys let's do it w [Applause] [Music] [Applause]