Kamala Harris and Donald Trump Are TIED Ahead Of The Presidential Debate

Intro welcome to pods Safe America I'm John favro I'm John levet I'm Tommy VOR on today's show with just hours until the first and maybe only presidential debate KLA Harris is out with a new interview a new policy section on her website and a new ad designed to troll Donald Trump trump meanwhile is out with new threats to arrest his political opponents and incite violence uh then later you'll hear Tommy's interview with Maryland Democratic Senate candidate Angela alsbrooks who's facing a close race against popular Republican Governor Larry Hogan that could decide control of the Senate yeah this one's going to sneak up on people you should listen to it because it's a much closer race than we want it to be in Maryland and if we do not win that seat there is no chance of taking the Senate too many too many close races everywhere I know uh but first speaking Trump & Kamala in the polls of close races uh you know what was fun to wake up to after our live show in Phoenix on Saturday night uh a 5:40 a.m. message from Tommy that included a link to the latest New York Times Sienna poll showing Trump ahead of kamla by 1.48 to 47% sorry I was up early 540 540 got it's too early it's too early to be talking about politics yeah it's never too early that's our motto here uh the vice president is still up two points in the times polling average 49 to 47 and up 2.8 points and the 538 average 47 to 44 uh we also got new Battleground polls from CBS news/ showing Harris and Trump tied at 50% in Pennsylvania Harris up one in Michigan 5049 and up two in Wisconsin 5149 which is also in line with the averages since then right before we started recording there's two new polls out of North Carolina that show her up 4946 in both polls survey USA and Quinnipiac there's another Quinnipiac that has Trump up 4945 in Georgia there's a morning consult National poll that has Harris up 4946 it's close it's a tide race Yeah by all accounts right everywhere everywhere that's a lot of money on polling a lot of money on polling and it's all com and it's also a lot of polling that uh could have a kind of a short expiration date on it since the the biggest event of the campaign is going to happen tonight we all set the table for the debate knowing the debate is going to change it I don't know why we do this with polling now I think something to talk about right I think in the case of the times they do a national poll before the debate so they can go back and reinw the respondents after the debate which is a nice thing to do to see if there was actual movement right i' check in with a friend check in with a friend right where are you guys really uh any insights from the we talk about the times poll here because you know it is the A+ rated poll it's very good um and by the way so is survey USA did you guys know that and what's funny is I remember them being made fun of as the worst in 2004 I think they've changed theiry quite a bit Yeah but anyway times is the you know it's one of the one of the top poll so it gets a lot of discussion it drives a lot of coverage much to the consternation of some uh but for us we like to talk about it what did you guys take from that poll my first sort of overall reaction was I was surprised by how many people were either a caught off guard or be like rendered scared because of it I really was because I honestly I just sort of dismissed the national polling average I don't really care about it and that number looked a little bit off from what other people have and off against their own poll of the Swing States because the swing state numbers are more aligned with other polls that have showed kamla haris with a couple Point Edge in the National electorate the odds that were tied in all of these Battlegrounds uh and down a point nationally makes me wonder what's going on in New York California that kind of thing so like I kind of just put that aside and then dug into the Battleground polls which looked like what you would expect them to look like a terrifyingly close race yeah just so the polls that you were referring to from The New York Times in Sienna um couple weeks after the switch I'm still calling out the switch yeah they did the blue wall States and Harris was up on Trump 5046 and all of those and then just a couple weeks ago they did the Sun Belt states um and they were all tied at 4848 across the average they were different state to state but across the average of all states they were tied at 48 that was just a few weeks ago and I just don't believe this like the the electorate is ricocheting like this right but that's why there's margins of error in all these polls and that's why you do averages and you throw them in the averages and you know it's a close race Tommy I just whispered like Joe Biden I know it's a close race I'm just noodling on a horrible worldo jokes Sun Belt and Road polling boy so this time it's been we've been podcasting since Saturday at 9:00 p.m. give us the day off someone the uh I've been talking to a lot of smart people who look at polling data all the time public and private and uh someone said to me recently he thinks this race could be tighter than 2020 ended up being so that's sort of the lay of the land for people would not surprise me and the bad news in this latest times poll is that people do not think the economy is doing well uh this the Pew pole John mentioned found that only 25% of Voters think the economy is in excellent or good shape rest do not uh and Trump is a double digit uh lead basically on Harris when it comes to the economy that's a problem uh Trump's approval rating is annoyingly High 60% of Voters want a big change from Biden so that's a real Challenge and significantly more voters think KLA Harris is too liberal than think Trump is too conservative so that's the bad news in the poll the good news is voters want more information about KLA Harris especially swing voters and voters where Biden was struggling the most uh and Trump is basically getting all of his 2020 voters while Harris is getting about nine out of every 10 Biden 2020 voters a little more than so those 92% so those should be getable so she's got some SP room to run is basically the Takeaway on the too liberal too conservative one thing I thought about because I was digging into the the CBS battlegr States they asked the questions who's more mainstream and who's more extreme and Trump was much more extreme to people than kamla Harris was she was much more mainstream I do Wonder because when you when you dig into the cross tabs in in New York Times Sienna like some of the people like a third to a fourth of KLA Harris's voters said that Donald Trump's not too conservative because I do wonder if just in this era we've like sort of gone beyond liberal and conservative or at least when it comes to Donald Trump and that Republican party and you don't necessarily think of them all as conservative these days you do think of them as extreme right because it's like not like they have traditional conservative positions the Republican part is totally different now so that that could be one thing there yeah there's I was um digging into the CBS poll of Pennsylvania for a bit I just was sort of like let's let's see what's going on in there and let's just let's look under the hood a little bit and one thing that that really struck me so first of all on this sort of mainstream versus extreme question it's young versus old young people view Trump as more extreme than older voters do uh but it's interesting that Millennials view Trump as being more extreme than even younger voters do and it's cuz we're the best generation we're questioning it yeah the second greatest generation as Tom broke one day call us but there was something that jumped out at me that I hadn't seen before which is if you ask people if Trump is insulting or respectful towards K Harris overall everybody says 75% insulting right but that is true among 30 to 44 year olds 45 to 64 year olds and 65 plus about 78 79 81 under 30s it's 4555 yeah cuz they don't think 's insulting to anyone they just but that's but that's really interesting that's like interesting like everyone deserves to be insulted but like it just I just think that like the effect of having grown up with Donald Trump in your face since you were a kid is having a real impact on that generation that I just thought was was interesting one of thing that jumped out at me is that most people do not think Trump would help the interest of women but 84% said he would help the interest of men which is a really sort of strange result that's sort of hard to explain when at the same time 85% they go help the wealthy and most it's like 50/50 on the middle class which is way too high and worse on union members which means that there's a bunch of people telling posters that Trump will be bad for the middle class bad for unions bad for the working class but good for men which is just a way of kind of saying that you think an abortion proxy question well yes and also just a kind of natural like instinctive zero some game that if women are more for for Harris and if we all instinctively including men think that Trump is worse for women than Harris and like well he must be better for men or like there's something about the way he's appealing to men that's resonating with people wouldn't it just be that um uh people who don't like Trump think that he's for men and men who like Trump also think that he's for men but I think both of those things are kind of interesting and there's something about like speaking like we're so you look at this poll and there's this big gender gap it's in every state it's in this poll especially true among um um non college men I'm sort of circling this idea that like there's this way in which Trump is going around with this bravado and this Bluster that's meant to appear to to men especially appeal to men and young men and I feel like we're missing something around reminding men that one way you be strong is by standing up for women there's a collective understanding that Trump is worse for women that is translating it to some sense in which he is better for men it's not true and we should be speaking to men about how Trump would be worse for them but also that like standing up for women in this election is a manly and masculine thing to do wow that's all I that's a real that's a lot from one one cross toab yeah that was complicated I dug into it you did but like there's something there is just something about that that jumped out of me like oh he's better for where is that coming from it's not coming from the policiy it's just coming from Vibes attack toal Vibes it's total Vibes I think so look New York Times C poll if it had just been uh 4847 Harris which is like uh a couple voters going the other way in the margin VAR is three% we no one would have like celebrated the poll but everyone would have just sort of like Shrugged and moved on so that's just something to keep in mind um I you know it is in line with what a lot of the polling in the last couple weeks has been telling us I think which is and Tommy you mentioned this she's got room to grow probably more than Donald Trump she's also got more room to fall because she's just not as well known um a question we're going to dig into this in a second but um they said do you want to know more about do you think you need to know more about the candidate and many more voters said that needed to know more about KL Harris I think it was like one in three voters said that um but dispropor those numbers were even higher among 18 to 29 year olds black voters Latino voters and crucially uh 2020 non-voters so people who did not vote in in 2020 all want to know more that to me is a big opportunity for KLA Harris and for the debate and especially because those are voters that you know traditional democratic constituencies now maybe they're they're probably much more moderate and less engaged than your typical black latino young Democratic voter but that does give her an opportunity whereas I do think that Trump support is uh more calcified but it's also you know that's good and bad and also a lot of Voters in this poll have heard about project 2025 and they do not like it so those uh messaging efforts by Biden and by all the Tik tokers who were surfacing the stuff early on have worked yeah the the other other piece of this too I think people like well is that does that mean the the Harris campaign made a mistake by not having a policy platform on their website sooner like I I find that all pretty ridiculous if you go back and look at old polls of previous elections uh it takes a while for people to stop telling vot pollsters that they need to know more or just this campaign is abbreviated this is the cost of having an abbreviated cign yeah I almost went back and then I realized this I wasn't going to go do this but um if you did like the amount of time between the candidate announcing their campaign and when they had a full policy page up I'm sure this broke records for being quick yes ter of the this is why this conversation about why hasn't kamla done interviews is so stupid but think about like she's hasn't been a candidate for more than for it's been less than two months she had to plan a convention pick a VP do debate prep think you know layout decide on her policy platform like she's going to do a bunch of interviews I'm sure she'll do a ton of them after the debate prep which by the way is going to serve as interview prep as well so it's just like we're kind of fast forward in getting mad about something when she's barely been in the race like if we are having this conversation at the end of September and she still hasn't done a bunch of interviews I'll be right there criticizing that right you know it's just it's just it's it's silly to do it now there's just there hasn't been time and she's got to prep the debate is the most important thing prepping for the debate is the most important thing that should take president over any kind of interview request at this point right and right she is doing interviews it's just for some reason the national media doesn't count like black radio interviews as as counting in their little Ledger of you know which national reporter will ask about you know The Narrative of the day yeah all right if you want to hear more about the times poll from a true junkie uh Dan did a special quick reaction episode of polar coaster that's out right now and if you're not a subscriber you can fix that through Apple podcast or at cook.com friends go be a subscriber you get Dan's polar coaster and all kinds of other great benefits um so we mentioned that one of the big findings of the time CA poll is how a lot of Voters say they need to Kamala Harris's new Trump ad & plan know more about Harris and her plans seems like the Harris campaign knows that um in addition to the issues page that they just put up on her website they released a new Battleground ad on Monday focused on the vp's plans to make housing more affordable ban price gouging and pass a middle- class tax cut for 100 million Americans um but she hasn't forgotten about Trump the campaign is also out with a new ad that's running on Fox News the Palm Beach media Market where Trump lives and the Philadelphia media Market where Trump will be uh for the debate it features the voices of former Trump officials Mike Pence defense secretary Mark esper National Security adviser John Bolton and chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Millie take a listen in 2016 Donald Trump said he would choose only the best people to work in his white house now those people have a warning for America Trump is not fit to be president again anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States do you think Trump can be trusted with the nation's Secrets ever again no I mean it's just irresponsible action that places our service members at risk places our nation security at risk Donald Trump will cause aot lot of damage we don't take an oath to a king or a queen or a tyrant or a dictator and we don't take an oath to a wab dictator I had never heard that last one was Mark Millie I had read it a million times I never heard it he sounded a little like Joe Biden yelling there Joe Biden was in the room the uh I love a I love a menacing string section I didn't know I didn't know I was like sometimes I like is that cello are we dealing with Viola here that guy is getting so much work in this campaign in every single haret and I think he was in the ads too um what do you make of the Trump ad and uh and the new policy focus seems like two different things there I mean this this ad that we just heard it's what you call a showby this is more about driving a media narrative uh than actually persuading voters in Battleground States the Battleground ads are about economic issues that you hear about in the polling the cost delivering uh lowering grocery prices uh uh lowering housing they take a Victory lap on insulin Etc so I I like the um I like the ad highlighting all the National Security figures and and Mike P hating Trump I think it might annoy him if he sees it but mostly it's just to get people to talk about it Tommy you and I were talking about this I was a little surprised that that's not a bigger buy because that seems to me like it would be a persuasive ad not just for like decided People Like Us who don't need to be persuaded but like you know some right leaning Independents college educated maybe undecided bull workk listeners like I I feel like that would be a good good ad are there undecided bullk oh yeah no I don't know I think yeah I think put this way if um if someone says to you uh what do you think about Eric should I date Eric and you're like no all of Eric's ex hate his guts and tell and you play an ad with the string section and all the and all the are like yeah it's when we we were playing it in the office and it felt I was like oh that's like a little bit like between that ad and the other AD about lies like they're both a little bit sort of outside of what we've been seeing M and feel more about like political narratives than anything but then it is very persuasive and I just find myself just a little bit sort of confused like are there people out there that are undecided because they haven't fully like internalized how they felt about Trump when he was president the Menace he felt or there people that like get this understand this but they've made a decision that he's better for the economy I think it's probably that but but so it's like what is the value of this I don't know well we also didn't talk about this number in the time x pole but they asked um do you want to know more not just about KLA Harris but Donald Trump and the people who wanted to know more about Donald Trump which was a smaller number than Harris but the overwhelming majority of those voters said that they wanted specifically to know more about his plans and policies which I think points to another goal in this debate is to the extent that she talks about Donald Trump she's got to talk more about the project 2025 of it all what he's going to do in the future because you need to get people to think yeah maybe he'll be better on the economy at least in their opinion but he's too risky a choice uh because he might do X Y andz there's a lot of people with fond Gauzy memories of Trump's economic record that feels soft to me like that just feels like people that can be reminded and getable and there's just a lot of them there's just a lot of them in Pennsylvania there a lot of them in Wisconsin yeah I mean I think we have to tell people hey in 2017 his only the only thing he got done through Congress was this gigantic tax cut for the richest people in the country and then back in April he had a fundraiser where he raised $50 million from the richest people he knew and he promised them that he would extend that tax cut that is the Trump record and that is what he will do in a second term tax cuts for billionaires and I think as opposed to retiga the Trump term and people's memories of it you do what Tommy just did which is the reason he's you think we know he's going to pass another tax cut for the rich is because he did it before the reason we think he's going to pass a National Abortion ban is because he's the one who's appointed the three justices to do it and said he was proud of it kamla also did some radio ahead of the debate uh here she is getting asked about how she'll handle Trump's craziness on the Ricky Smiley Morning Show which is a syndic at drive time talk show how do you plan to handle him his attacks his temperament being on the stage with him we we have no idea what he might say how are you prepared for that well you're right I mean he um he plays from this really old and tired Playbook right where he there's no floor for him in terms of how low he will go and um and we should be prepared for that we should be prepared for the fact that he is not burdened by telling the truth he tends to fight for himself not for the American people those are that's it those are the messages right there what do you guys think of the answer not burdened by what has been yeah I I I think it's probably honest I mean I think she's probably getting a lot of advice that says no matter what happens you have to stay calm and collected and and let him look like he's the angry one in part because I think as a woman as a woman of color she gets Les leeway to be a huge on stage and everyone's expecting it from him so they maybe it will bother them maybe not but yeah I mean I think it's good advice I mean the Press loves to cover like the Optics and the body language and sighing or saying lockbox too much or was that made up by SNL no mean he said lockbox we were there maybe it was only once anyway I also think even if she was a white guy that's not the political uh necessity to to to be it is to like she needs to let people know about herself this is tough because I heard I was listening to the Daily today and they had Nate Conan to talk about the poll and and Nate con said if after the debate we're talking about KLA Harris and the debate was about kamla Harris then that is a win for Donald Trump and if after the debate we're talking about Donald Trump and what Donald Trump did that's a win for KL Harris and I'm not sure I agree with too simplistic because I think that like I I get where I agree is that if she spends a lot of time talking about herself which she should and she spends a lot of time constantly defending herself from his attacks then it could get a little Messier and be about her and then the coverage is about her and there's no like Donald Trump moments to talk about so I get much like the last debate was all about Joe Biden um but I think if it's all about just one Zinger and put down after another but you know where K Harris takes on Trump and says don't don't interrupt me while I'm speaking and all this kind of stuff and that gets like everyone on Twitter excited I don't think that's a necessarily a huge win for her either no you have to go in and lay a trap you you you have a line where you're going to make some attack maybe about his record something he's done or said or some policy and you have in the can a whole you know an a TV ad a social media campaign a bunch of social like your surrogates like ready to drive that message the next day that's where I disagree with Nate if the next day we were talking about something really terrible that uh Donald Trump did I think that's beneficial for commers yeah I mean I think what I like about those three lines tired old Playbook has no floor not bur by the truth they're actually all sentences you could deploy a version of after Trump Rambles and launches several attacks and then just say whatever you were going to say anyway right like those are all lines that take you from an attack into a positive message there he goes again there right and like you know Trump goes on some Meandering rambling thing that nonetheless has a few awful lines that are untrue about immigration about whatever issue she could take that say that that is the contrast that comes out of the debate great if that's about how KL Harris responded to Trump's attacks great I think that if I was her team and if I was KLA Harris I'd want to keep in mind contrast contrast contrast all the time so that every single thing he says like you where borders are it's the worst Border in history all the you know there an invasion they killed a bunch of be like okay here's what you need to know uh Joe Biden and I took an action to shut down the border and now we want to pass this plan that would be the best border security ever and what do you want to do you killed the plan right because it's an issue for your campaign right and when I'm president I'm going to do X Y andz you just wanted this as a politicals right and you do this on every single issue no matter what he says yeah I that's right so yeah um so no surprise here but Trump's rolling into the debate without driving any particular message other than whatever grievance happens to be floating through Trump's plan his addled mind at a given moment on Saturday night he truthed a long screed promising quote long-term prison sentences for the many people he says are already at work trying to cheat on the election which he specified includes quote lawyers political operatives donors illegal voters and corrupt election officials though those involved in unscrupulous Behavior he added will be sought out caught and prosecuted at levels unfortunately never seen before in our country it is unfortunate then at a rally in Wisconsin on Saturday he brought up Colorado for some reason saying this about immigration they are radicals headed up by a radical governor in Colorado that has no clue how to solve this influx of crime into his State and by the way Colorado is one state it's much worse in other states but in Colorado they've taken over I mean in Colorado they're so Brazen they're taking over sections of the state and you know getting them out will be a bloody story Bloody story so Tommy you wanted to talk about what's going on with the Colorado thing so you have to speak right-wing media to understand what he's talking about there so this is uh about a story happening Aurora phing host for Steve V yeah well he's you know doing his time I know as he should so there's a landlord in Aurora Colorado they claimed uh that a Venezuelan gang called trende aragua had taken over apartment buildings in the city they said they chased off the management and they started uh shaking down renters for money there's also some videos online of like heavily armed guys at a a door which is allegedly in this apartment building so there is some truth to like violent people being this building um the story was kind of like being talked about in local press in Colorado but then it blew up in the national news when the uh New York Post covered it and they said they framed it as sleepy suburb overtaken by gangs now Aurora is basically part of like the Denver area but whatever and so the truth is Aurora Police say they've identified 10 gang members and arrested six of them uh and the mayor of Denver says that uh trende aragua has a much smaller presence in the city than like the Crips and the Bloods and other American gangs and then also you know a bunch of local news outlets went to these buildings they talked to people there they went in and out the cops are going in and out they're clearly not like whatever controlled by gangs means these apartment buildings are not controlled by gangs what residents are really worried about is these they're rented by slum Lords they're the utilities don't work uh no one's picking up the trash like the residents are worried about the people who own the buildings not these gangs so um that's where this is coming from and then the reason this is become a thing for Trump is you remember the lake and Riley case the woman who was murdered in Georgia her killer was apparently connected to this gang somehow which is based out of Venezuela so Trump and these right-wing figures are folding this random pair of apartment buildings in Colorado into their broader uh immigration and crime narrative to make it one big thing and so again like it's just another reminder there this rolling conversation in right-wing media that we're not really always aware of but Trump will probably bring it to the debate and this story as dishonest and sort of confusing at as it is is just like the latest example of how immigration is not just something that's getting talked about all the time in Border communities it is popping up all over the country in communities like Aurora Colorado because of stories like this and you know allegations about Venezuelan gangs or the conspiracy that was all over the news today that uh there are um Haitian immigrants in in Ohio town that are eating cats yeah not true mus not a real Elon Musk JD Vance Ted Cruz uh Jim Jordan I would not be surprised if that gets brought up at Tuesday I think you two are in denial and the Rocky Mountains have fallen under South American Sharia law that is where we're at Aurora has fallen I found out about the so I like was scrolling on Tik Tok as as one does and someone pushing this conspiracy like just popped up in my feed like like normally like it was somebody saying you know the mainstream media is not talking about what's going on in Aurora Colorado took me like half an hour to to untangle what this was I mean the political strategy here from Trump is he wants his deportation plans to be associated with like I'm deporting people who are all violent criminals and uh they're overtaking our country stuff like that and not the idea that a real Mass deportation effort with the fact that there are 15 to 20 million undocumented immigrants here would necessarily involv like a massive police force that As Trump has said would be broader than police would be National Guard mil milary knocking on doors raiding workplaces offices and uh people undocumented people who've been here for decades um would be ripped apart from their families and deported to countries where many of them haven't been for uh decades if not ever um and the entire operation would be just like terrifying and unbelievably destabilizing to the whole country and I think that you know hope if it comes up hopefully KL Harris will do that the reason he talks about a bloody story too is because he there is this history of trump talking about immigration and uh whether it's using law enforcement National Guard whether it's immigration whether it's crime is it always necessarily has to be violent right and so he's just like bringing up this violence again do you think there's um there's a pitch do you think there's value to in the debate K Harris saying there is a bipartisan border bill we can sign it today bunch of Republican support a bunch of Democrats support it you P you you you talk about the Border all the time will you join me in saying we ought to pass this bipartisan border bill you you told some of your friends to hold that's a crap that's a crap bill that's not going to do anything that's a fake Bill a fake bill I'll shut down the Border as soon as I get back in there I'll shut down the Border I had the Border shut down when I was there too I'll do it again everyone knows that I'm going to be stronger On the Border than you come on yeah because I think their argument with the bill was it allowed X number of Asylum candidates per day at across and he wants that number to be zero all she just got I think she just going to say like this is this is my plan we would we you know James lenford we had a really really Conservative Republican calling these Republican Senators saying they're against the Border all your Republican friends are against the Border I wouldn't mind like a little bit of a fight about that but no I I don't I wouldn't either um I there was so there was a lot of Twitter consternation uh that the long prison sentence threat for his uh political adversaries and the Bloody story comments didn't get more coverage though I read about them in just about every major media Outlet um but you know the the essence of the criticism was if only more voters knew about these things the race wouldn't be as close what do you guys think I just I I feel like we have been through a decade of Donald Trump saying dangerous unhinged violent vile anti-democratic unamerican things and here we are with his ceiling and his floor right where they've been and maybe there's some truth to it right maybe there is some truth that there are people that aren't paying close enough attention that are undecided that they knew about this uh maybe it would help sway them I don't know but I just I know that it's very hard to reach those people and what a lot of those undersiders are telling pollsters is not oh I need to know more about where Trump stands on Prosecuting his enemies it's about inflation it's about the economy like you you point at these numbers the numbers from Pennsylvania are Bleak 70% of people say the country is heading in the wrong direction 70% of Independence talk about the national and Pennsylvania economy as being very or somewhat bad like that is what is driving this election that is where our problem is yeah I mean yeah I think she had like the the first priority the debate is tell an economic story talk about what you're going to do to help people I do think she can find some time to lay a trap and and maybe highlight some of this violent stuff um something he said on Truth social have an ad ready you know back stop it with the big messaging push I mean that that's less about the night of debate like it's sort of what people see than the next day Spin and C coverage and just making sure it's bad for him you kind of do both I also think you got to make it I mean I hate to say this but I don't think most voters are going to be like oh Trump's going to prosecute some uh Democratic officials he doesn't like I think there's a lot of people who don't think that's a good idea right right but you got to make it personal for people and I do if she does bring it up I think it's more like would you like to see army tanks in the streets of your community and the American Military arresting people that Donald Trump just happens not to like is that the kind of country you want like there's a there's painting a picture for people that I don't think Democrats have necessarily done yet I also think like it goes to the point we making over and over again which is like look at what Donald Trump focuses on look what he cares about he's gonna talk about he's spend all time all his time talking about his enemies going after his opponents people that have insulted him hurt his feelings Revenge you when I'm president you never have to worry about my feelings my feel you he has you have to worry about his feelings you'll never have to worry about mine I'll just be fighting for you yeah yeah I agree with that um Matt Gates and Tulsa gabard did a call with reporters on Monday wild sentence to say um where they said that Trump's debate strategy because they've both been prepping him for the debate Matt Gates and tulsy gabard uh they said that Trump's debate strategy is to make Harris quote own every Biden policy decision as well as her earlier policy stances Jonathan Chay wrote a piece today titled kamla Harris should cut Joe Biden loose where he basically argues that yes that is going to be the debate strategy and so she should just unburden herself from Joe Biden do you guys think she can or should do that yeah come on pot save America yeah we've been we've been unburdened here for quite some time uh so first of all two points about this one telsey gabard and Matt Gates prepping Trump for the debate really reminds me of the like the hyenas in a strategy session with scar from The Lion King it's like like what a what a vulgar and awful group of people how desperate is tulsy to just be in the news still to to do this democratic congresswoman to this my my my second point and more important point is I like I try I what's funny is I was like I was thinking about it like what what does kamla say you know substantively about Joe Biden like how do you strike that balance and you see a lot of people making the same point which is uh We've made a lot of progress there's more to do here's forward here's the contrast and that's like the obvious frame everybody kind of recognizes is sort of where you're headed but I was thinking about this it's like well what do you get from going a little further and what you get is a debate about whether or not KLA Harris has done enough to distance herself from Joe Biden and I just don't think that that's the kind of conversation you want to have coming out of the debate even before you get to what do you get from it my question is where do you actually distance yourself from a decision that he has made right we have been obviously critical of Joe Biden here but people's main problems with Joe Biden voters main problems with Joe Biden is number one his age which of course number two that the economy and and inflation has not come down as quickly we would also say that that is an unfair criticism of Joe Biden uh because he doesn't control this and and the steps that he has taken have been quite good for people um middle class people workingclass people poor people and so if she's asked about inflation in the economy what decision that Joe Biden made does she point to to say that she didn't agree with it and I think the same is true On the Border I don't so I don't I don't actually agree with that in part because I actually think that we've made progress as more to like I do not think saying something like this is a good idea but like Joe Biden couldn't get it done I will there are steps could get what done uh bringing down costs or passing a child tax credit or a host of other things I don't think it's a good thing to say I don't think it's a good rhetorical argument to make just saying like if you wanted to say you could be you could be critical of the bid Administration for not getting some of the steps done that you would do in the next few years I don't think you can do that I I don't either that's no that's what I'm saying like I don't think you but like you she couldn't she can't say that Joe Biden couldn't pass this I I know I don't I don't think she can I don't think she should I'm saying if you wanted to create distance from Joe Biden I think that's what it would look like I don't think it's a good thing to do I think she's already doing it though because I mean I think when when pressed on you know the economy what you would get from Biden is sort of a Litany of all the things he's done and his accomplishments and how he deserves more credit for them she is already not doing that and saying we've done X but obviously there's much more work to do right on costs on housing on this you like 60% of Voters want to change from bu I think you know like you're right she can't she's not going to be like Joe was wrong to get out of Afghanistan I would have kept us there like that's never going to happen but it is like tonal kind of emphasis thing where she I think has just to be willing to be like yeah well we we didn't we didn't accomplish that as much as I would have liked to and we're going to do more yeah Afghanistan was the one that I was actually wondering about is that it's not it was obviously like a bungled exit and he is the in on basically on any foreign policy thing he is the commander in- Chief right like I think on some of the legislative stuff it's just not believable that she could create distance from herself on domestic policy because like she was in the room and she was like negotiating out of that stuff on I'm wondering on the foreign policy stuff if there any way to create more room on some of this stuff or when she gets tagged with when he goes after her on Afghanistan which he probably will like what do you even say to that I mean I just think saying I disagreed with Joe and Afghanistan is just a bad answer when there's a really good one sitting in front of you which is hey Donald Trump you negotiated the withdrawal from Afghanistan your agreed to with the TB who you fing inv to Camp David on 911 would have gotten us out earlier yeah and I think honestly I think the way to create distance is just to not be defensive like Biden would be because he just came at all of these criticisms just from an extreme stance extreme posture of defensiveness and she on at least on the economy so far has not had that same stance I do think that there's like some version of like I'm proud to serve a Joe Biden I'm proud of the progress we've made under Joe Biden and I know sometimes you forget you're not debating Joe Biden but I'm Kell Harris you know I think something like that that would do it that would do it all right before we Kamala's reaction to Loretta Sanchez's dab go to break uh the three of us did go back and dissect hours of kamla Harris debate footage in preparation for Tuesday night uh and we have decided the most critical moment in the vp's political career took place during her 2016 Senate primary debate against Loretta Sanchez here it is the your time is expired Miss Harris you have a minute and a half and you have a minute and a half Miss Harris so there's a clear difference between the candidates in this race there definitely is and I think the voters will make that decision Loretta Sanchez in that pause inexplicably was dabbing For No Good Reason remember dabbing MH why did she do that why did she D she went and like she she like like it was sort of a mic drop it was crazy do you want to know why why according to a 2016 report by the Sacramento B Sanchez got the dabbing idea from her Makeup Artist's 9-year-old daughter so was not prepared for that this little girl comes with her mom the makeup artist to L Sanchez's house she's doing her homework they start chatting somehow her dance class had come up I guess a little girl just come from dance class she shows Loretta Sanchez how to dab love it could you dab for us for the YouTube so everyone Absol just one quick nice try uh and Loretta Sanchez said to the little girl I am going to use that at my my debate so they practiced a couple times she refined her dab the rest is history but I think that's kind of sweet but in what context will you use a dab like that here's the context I think we're all forgetting we know context is important what a big deal the dab was in 2015 because it started in Atlanta it came out of a hip-hop scene there but then Cam Newton history of dabbing now Cam Newton who is sorry I Google things before the show give it a shot uh the Carol now we now we're on seral dabbing the Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton who uh went to the Super Bowl that year he the NFL MVP he was dabbing all the time guys you don't remember Hillary Clinton dabbed on Ellen yeah I do remember this to trap queen that the song they were listening to right right when she was Kiss to death a dab Pokemon go to the poles yeah after she did it Charlemagne tweeted uh shaking my head that's it I'm going with Bernie Sanders that's how that went over so don't dab you know what though her on a more serious note uh KLA Harris's reaction to the dab there perfect yes like that's a that could be a reaction that she gives to a lot of what Donald Trump does because honestly Letta Sanchez dabbing there it's not that much crazier than some of the Donald Trump does not most of it but not some of it you're a normal person what would you what what would a like what would a normal person do in response to being in room with Donald Trump not you just like what the yeah you wouldn't you wouldn't wind up and unleash some Zinger right that puts him in his place You' just be like the is wrong I'm going call you I'm going to call you dapping duck just to dabble do you Donald Jesus what else we got we're not in debate prep when we come back from the break you'll hear Tommy's conversation from last Thursday with Angela also Brooks our Senate nominee in Maryland about why the Democrats Senate hopes may come down to a blue State yikes but before we get to the interview two quick things uh first speaking of the debate our friends of the Pod Discord Community is going to be holding a subscriber live chat where you can process your debate feelings and anxieties with fellow cricked listeners in real time isn't that fun head to cri.com friends to sign up for Access and other subscriber exclusive content also the 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late August said it was a dead heat um and Democrats need this seat y to have any hope of controlling the Senate so folks have to pay attention uh and frankly do what you can to help out to make sure that we win your race um your opponent is Maryland govern former Maryland governor Larry Hogan he's got high Name ID he has worked hard uh to distance himself from Donald Trump I think we can talk about whether you think that's been successful or not yeah but he's getting a big chunk of democratic crossover voters he's currently getting a bunch of independent voters in these polls and I'm the first question is just you know how do you think we can win these Democrats and Independence back well I want to level set go back to what you said in the beginning and that is to emphasize again that the stakes in this election are so high yeah and unlike what we've seen in past years Maryland is now like the center of this race it is a race that Mitch McConnell said Maryland Montana Ohio and Pennsylvania were the states that he thought he had the best chance of flipping red and so he picked this state he recruited my opponent um who was a a governor two-term governor who left office with an above 70% approval rating at the time um and well you know what it is and we can talk about that a bit he had a democratic legislature that basically kept him in line we had a veto proof majority in the legislature um and so the cases that this is this is a very competitive race as you mentioned um just a couple of weeks ago we were in a dead heat in the race um and it is one that will control the Senate that will determine who controls the Senate at a time where we understand that we the two views of America couldn't be any more different first of all when we think about gun violence or reproductive Freedom when we think about so many issues we couldn't be any different and we are going to elect KLA Harris as the President of the United States and we absolutely must give her a majority in the Senate so that she can get things done appoint Supreme Court Justices so this is a really really important race yeah it's a huge huge race um so you know I've heard you talk about how uh Larry Hogan you just mentioned he was kept in check by the legislature Democratic legislature but you said he wanted to do things to limit reproductive Freedom that he wanted to uh make it easier to get guns long guns in particular can you just explain his record on those two issues yeah let's talk about what he's already done um as Governor just two years ago I think that's important in 2022 um he vetoed abortion care legislation in the state of Maryland that would have expanded abortion access across the state and when he was overridden he withheld the funding until he went out of office and Governor Moore came into office um he's a person who at the beginning of this race in his primary election refused to say that he would codify in federal law woman's right to choose when he was questioned very directly this year about about this issue he said quote I refuse to speculate on any piece of legislation um he has since then you know conveniently after the primary um said that he would he he proclaimed himself bless his heart pro-choice now but we already know what he's done and we know that no matter what he says in this moment you know I can't whatever he says we know that he would Empower a majority that has already declared war on a woman's right to choose that he would be empowering Mitch mcconell and Ted Cruz and and you know they say lindsy Graham would be over the Judiciary so we know yeah it's terrible great sounds like the future I want um uh so you had a primary opponent who spent what $60 million against you $65 million yes just lit it on fire that must have been fun for him um I saw Larry Hogan has reserved nearly $8 million of campaign ads already presumably to run against you you've reserved your campaign has reserved uh less half a million so far this is very in the weeds but I'm just wondering like is that something you expect to ramp up soon is this because people are not focused enough on this race and not donating like what should we make of this so two things one is the Republicans are motivated um they are dumping millions of dollars into this race he has a super pack a $10 million do super pack and we see the Republicans are really spending a lot of money John Bolton just put up an ad for for Larry Hogan so we see that the Republicans are are really investing we are increasing ing um our adbis we are on the air now um and we're going to continue to increase the amount of visibility of the campaign and Communications of the campaign and that's going to be really important to be able to not only talk about his record so that people understand what his record is as I mentioned vetoing abortion care legislation he also uh vetoed legislation that would have implemented simple waiting periods for long guns he refused to sign legislation Banning ghost guns so he's a person who veto legis that would have allowed for paid and family medical leave he uh vetoed the legislation for $15 an hour so this is you know a person whose policies are very in line with the Republicans um and so that's going to be important to show his record but it's also the most important thing people must know is that his election would give a majority to a senate caucus that is at this point led by Donald Trump um that's what people need to understand is that handing over the majority to the Republicans now puts all of these people in charge of the Senate um people who want to take our country backwards yeah so weird to me that uh Trump's former National Security adviser John Bolton uh a man who seems to want to bomb or invade pretty much every country I think in the world is running super pack ads in Maryland what what why they all have something in common whether it's John Bolton Larry Hogan Donald Trump endorsed Larry Hogan Mitch McConnell recruited him they want to have control of the Senate they understand that whoever has control controls the agenda that's what this is about it's not that these guys are all necessarily friends but they definitely on the same team and they share the same goal and that is to control the Senate and to have a majority there yeah um let's talk about Criminal Justice Reform there's been kind of a the country I think the Democratic party has had kind of a winding Journey over the last you know four or five years there was you know the horror of watching George Floyd be brutally murdered by police followed by protests and calls for reform that was then followed by I think increased concern about crime during the pandemic then President Biden has actually pushed for more police funding so it's a bit heads spinning and I know this you know the debate over policing did not start in 2020 especially in in Maryland where there's been a long conversation um but many of the fundamental problems that emerged um you know in the public like National discourse after George Floyd's killing they've not gone away there's still racial bias there's still too much police brutality you have actually prosecuted criminals as uh PG County State's Attorney uh in the Senate you'd have a chance to write federal law what changes to policing do you think still need to be accomplished and how much of that do you think it's driven by you know local um local decision-making versus Federal law that you would work on in the Senate well you know I started my career um because I believe that everybody deserves to live in a safe Community I still still believe this is a basic civil right to be able to walk the street safely to sit on your front porch I think that my mother should be able to go to the grocery store without fear of being knocked over the head and so I started my career in 1997 as the first full-time domestic violence prosecutor uh to work in the office I was the elected prosecutor um in my County as well and what I can tell you is that there have been two choices given that I think are kind of false choices the choice is whether we should have Justice or Freedom MH I would say we have to have both um a system that is just means that a system where the laws apply equally to everyone where we are police with the humanity and dignity that we deserve but that we also should have a system where you should be free you should be free to to be to not be concerned about carjackings and assaults um and I think it's possible to do both we have the George Floyd and policing act um in the Senate that I will be supportive of um we also have to do the work of getting the assault weapons off the street we just now saw yet another heartbreaking incident I'm the mother of a 19-year-old daughter and I have to tell you I am horrified and I think everyone felt horrified um at watching yet again you send your kids to school you expect them to be safe not hiding up under the desk or some kind of drill they have to do the teachers should be safe um so we have a lot of work to do it is to make sure that our system is just to make sure that we're holding people accountable who break the law no matter who they are police officers or civilians but making sure as well that we should have the right As Americans to be safe where we live and that means we got to get these guns off the street the number one way that children die in this country and it's absolutely unconscionable that we have done nothing about it it's through gun violence not by car accident or by illness um but it is just it just makes me enraged to think I just I was thinking today about the families can you imagine the young kids who are in school and they're killed because we have not removed these assault weapons the kind that was used again in this school in Georgia we have the ghost guns that are on the street and these Republicans again when we talk about having the majority in the Senate they have not only appointed these Supreme Court Justice is the same ones who overturn the bum stock decision but they have no interest whatsoever in even doing what's sensible right um and and and you know what my opponent again is a person who you know he got an A minus from the NRA so that would be putting the NRA in charge if we give over this Senate to the Republicans it's like putting the NRA in charge God yeah I mean somebody's tried to project as a modate to get an A minus from the N is pretty extreme and yeah I mean that I think like there's no more frustrating issue than the issue of gun violence especially these mass shootings in schools I mean yesterday it was a 14-year-old y who I believe shot you know other 14-year-olds and teachers were hurt and just a horrific incident I mean I have a 21 month-old daughter and she started preschool this week and even I've been thinking about it because of Sandy Hook and because of you know nothing no horror seems off the table in the United States when it comes to gun violence but also I feel I never feel feel more cynical than I do when hearing about efforts in Congress to deal with gun violence because I know Republicans seem to block everything and I guess that which leads me to a question which is usually they use the filibuster Republicans do to block all meaningful legislation in the US Senate um would you support getting rid of or reforming the filibuster to try to make it so KL Harris and act her agenda oh absolutely you know we think about the Fuster um I believe the numbers go something like 1964 to say 2008 the fell Buster was used maybe fewer than 60 times um and then from 2008 until now it's been used over 600 times mostly to block civil rights legislation yeah we want we want the John Lewis for the people act we want the for the people act we want you know a number of pieces of legislation that all have been blocked using this Philip Buster so I think we absolutely are going to have to uh to reform the FB Buster and I think we also going to have to do something about the Supreme Court yeah you know I mean it is um it is outrageous and I I agree with reforming the Supreme Court as well love that um a few months ago I saw an interview you did with WJLA which is a Sinclair owned local TV station in in Washington um you were asked about the situation in Gaza you talked about the need to get more Aid into Gaza to get a ceasefire deal that brings back the hostages and ultimately to achieve a two-state solution and the creation of a Palestinian state uh but you also added that uh you do not believe that Israeli Prime Minister bi and yahu is the right partner for achieving a two-state solution and I just want to like put my cards on the table and say I could not agree more um and I'm wondering how that belief might translate into policy if you're a US senator does that mean you're open to withholding or conditioning US military aid to Israel as a tool to pressure the government into talks around a two-state solution or how are you thinking about this you know I think first of all let me just say that I think everyone agrees in this moment um the number one thing that has to happen as we looked at the um people who were killed just last week is we got to get the hostages home um we got to get the hostages home we have to get to a ceasefire and as I've mentioned before I think that the United States and everyone around the world has an affirmative obligation to make sure that we are eliminating the suffering um that is happening uh with the Palestinians in Gaza and a two-state solution is is where I believe we should be focused that's what tomorrow should look like is we should be working to have peace and Security in Israel and peace security and self-determination for the Palestinians in Gaza I believe um I support the US Israeli relationship um and I support Israel's right to to not only defend itself but I think they ought to have the means to defend itself as well um and you know and I again believe that that is not in conflict with the idea that ultimately the the aim and the hope is for peace that is what I believe we ought to be working toward um is is deescalate conflict and making sure again that we have peace and Security in Israel and we should have peace security and self-determination for the Palestinians in Gaza but I mean if you think you know Netanyahu has been an impediment to that I mean I guess is our only chance just to kind of wait for the government to collapse in a new election is it sort of out of our hands is that well you know what I think we are seeing now that the people of Israel are also saying that they're very concerned about the form of leadership I think that you know they they have a democracy and they make a decision about their leaders I agree with that um but I think we do need leaders who believe um we need a good partner if we are to go to a two-state solution I absolutely believe that um but you know Israel is a democracy they get to choose their own their own leaders um and I understand that and I believe that again it's appears to me that there is growing discontentment uh with the form of leadership that he has demonstrated and again we have to Focus first on getting those hostages home um and we got to get to a ceasefire yeah um you've known KL Harris for 14 years I believe I have can you tell the story of like how you guys became friends and then is there something you know about her that you feel like is just not talked about or doesn't get coverage the rest of the country should know well I met her in two well after I I learned about her in 2009 so I was reading a magazine and they were talking about this incredible woman who was a DA who was using all of these new ideas to keep her Community safe specifically I was reading about back on track in her um smart on crime book and I was so impressed with it that I was running for State's Attorney at the time I was talking to my constituents all about it about how I thought we could replicate some of her um plans and projects and um when I won the election two days later I got a call and the person said hi it's KLA Harris really you know so um she said tell me what I can do to help and I told her I wanted to come out to California study her progr and came out here and she put all the stakeholders together for me uh she had won attorney general went by and met with her but I met with the stakeholders the judges and everyone I did replicate that program and since then she's really been a friend um I was there I came to California when she ran for Senate she said you should come out and ride the bus with me the weekend before my primary and uh and do some surrogate speaking so I did that I came out to California rode the bus with her and Doug and mayor bass was on the bus at the time um and then you know was there the day she was sworn in and she came over to help me when I ran for County Executive she endorsed me and she met me to go Point by point on the legal PAAD over some of what we would discuss in the campaign um and she's just been a friend since then you know I she's endorsed me in this race uh she gives really excellent advice I guess the thing I'd say about her that always stands out when I was on that bus the weekend before her primary for Senate it occurs to me that she was not talking about herself not once I don't think I've ever been in a conversation with her where she goes at she she most people may be talking about their rais talking about she's always talking about others tell me about your program do you have the right people in place what are you doing she is she is the consumate leader she's the consumate leader yeah why do you I mean why do you think she cold called you like that right I mean you're not look the the political cynic if you were like a Iowa State Rep people would say aha this was the long game run for president but you know you're you're in Maryland like she just picked up the phone and called you yeah as it turns out there are a whole lot of us who she mentors in the same way I think she is a natural leader and she is a person who very sincerely cares about other people she called me and you know no one would have ever known no one has known the other times that she's called and reached out to say I'm just checking on you tell me how you're doing tell me what's going on I mean she she has done that and as it turns out I've now learned um others you know you you saw uh congresswoman Jasmine who came out and said that the vice president wiped her tears at a meeting this is a person who is not only compassionate and maybe that's the thing that people don't get to see as often she's compassionate but she's also a deeply principled person a deeply principled person um but she not for fanf fair but she is a person who is always mentoring always guiding and you know I think that's what's going to make her a really great president is she's a very a very thoughtful person but also just deeply principled person and I think think about that a leader who you know and we've had wonderful president uh in joee Biden um but I think our country deserves to continue to have leaders who are who have integrity you know leaders who are decent uh we can never return to the other guy but I think KLA is going to make a really really really excellent president she ever cook for you she never cooked for me I got to tell you a funny story he speaking about cooking so she invited me to her home for the holidays and um and you know what year was this this was um this was two let's see not this past year the Year before I took my daughter to the vice president's residence and um and she my daughter now remember that part teenager so we go and they have it so that you come around you take the photo yeah and I'm thinking this girl meaning my daughter is going to stand up there and take the photo right and she jumps back instead and says oh my goodness do you know what they're saying about you on Tik Tok and I'm thinking oh my God like really what whoa where are we going here lady and she said said your hair looks amazing that your silk press is right on and I'm like so embarrassed I'm like oh my God but the vice president frung the action she loves kids she right away said oh my gosh really is this what they're saying maybe I should have you on my Comm team then she tells me move aside so she can take pictures with Alex and they're posing and the whole but I'm like horrified thinking this is not what we discussed we're not going to come up in here and talk when she said the words Tik Tock and what they're saying I'm thinking oh no that's not going to be good yes I love that I love that you hear a lot of stories like that um okay some lighter stuff so I'm from Massachusetts uh I married a woman from Maryland so her parents live out yeah so they live out east they're in Easton um and whenever I visit we end up picking crabs and I just want to start by saying like I hit the in-law Lottery they're like the best people ever Hannah sisters are the best but I don't get the crab thing like I maybe I'm not good at it but I feel like you start with this huge pile of crabs in front of you like stack of corpes and you end up hungry unless you eat like you know what I understand the misunderstanding here you know what you think crabs are about eating right no what's it about it's like it's um it's a thing it's like a sport almost you know it's like um it is an activity that we do together as families that's what binds us now I like the taste of crabs but if you come to expecting that it is you're there because it's a meal no yeah oh got to do the corn when you go back to the family you have to tell them now you know I get it we're like here bonding it's a bonding experience you you know you pick the crabs and you talk okay that's what it is that's true but it's real my my daughter loved it she kept saying uh crabby time she was yelling crabby time crabby time she was very excited she's our girl 21 months old she's our girl Pi up the Mallet whing away it fun um okay let's go good lesson last question uh Baltimore Ravens or Washington commanders I have to tell you um the Washington commanders are in Prince George's County where I live I do support the Ravens um as well and we want the commanders to stay in Maryland um and I've been a commanders fan like my whole life are they they got Dan Snider's gone though right is there a risk of them leaving now you know what we've done a lot of work we've invested about um we have $400 million that we're investing in the areas around um the field there and we we you know they they we expect that they they may stay there we think that we are offering um a lot you know Governor Moore says he's also really committed to keeping the team we want the two teams to be in Marland um so we're committed to it and we we're feeling good you know my my very good friend is Mariel Bowser she's making plans on the other side but we're planning to keep them in Maryland keep them in Maryland uh I saw Governor Moore put on actual pads in practice with the Maryland football team is that something he does a lot well we say to that Governor yunan over in Virginia eat your heart out like Maryland we're lucky right we we we have a really great Governor yeah um who you know loves people and you know and it shows doesn't skip armed day you could you could tell that he looking yeah stacked but you know what he also did he was there side by side with us and we wrestled away the FBI headquarters from Virginia that's a huge fight right it's a huge fight that we uh won and we're going to fight to continue to keep the FBI national headquarters plans uh in Maryland I really like the trash talk between Maryland and Virginia po DC is just stuck in the middle but you guys you battle it out well Virginia said we had an unfair Advantage because we had Governor Moore and they have yunan you know we need more Democrats I mean I think that's just the way this goes we make things happen yeah that's not your problem uh I say to that uh County Executive a Brooks thank you so much for being here uh how can people support your race if they want to get also brooks.com and thank you so much for having me everybody please go out this is a really important race is one we can't phone in have to win this we have to win it have to have to win have to win it so uh if you're thinking about donating Angel books.com yep do it soon yes thank you thank you that's our show for today the debate is tonight who's ready I don't think I am me neither I'm excited hey we're going I feel better about this one than the last one yeah going to say knock on wood hard not to don't forget to check out the subscriber live chat and then the three of us and Dan you know it's a big night when dance here we'll record the Wednesday pod right afterward that'll be in your feed Wednesday morning fingers crossed Prayers up do your 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