Trump Drops Out of Next Debate After Big Loss to Kamala Harris

Intro welcome to pod save America I'm John favro I'm Dan feifer on today's show Donald Trump says no more debates as even Republicans are saying that he lost on Tuesday night meanwhile the Harris campaign is doing everything they can to keep the momentum going with new ads big rallies and more interviews and later as if they didn't already have enough to whine about Maga World melts down over tailor Swift's endorsement of kamla Harris but first more than 67 million people watch Tuesday night's debate Trump lost the debate about 15 million more uh than watch the Biden Trump debate in June and the more data we get the more clear it is that kamla Harris won the debate decisively uh in addition to the first post- debate poll from CNN that showed Harris winning 63 to 37% uh a yugov poll found her winning 54% to 31% and both Reuters and morning consult now show Harris with a five-point lead over Trump uh which is her gaining a few points since before the debate we won't get a full picture of post- debate polling until probably the end of next week or the week after uh but until then we also have some great feedback from swing state voters who haven't made up their minds yet our pal Sarah Longwell at the bwork offered a glowing report from her nine-person panel uh where the most common word to describe kelo's performance was presidential uh that kind of take seems to be shared by a lot of the undecided voters who spoke to reporter at CNN MSNBC and elsewhere after the debate let's listen so that's Trump bully and I think K Harris came out showing some decorum and some presidential uh nature about hers but it also sounds like this debate cemented for you that you will never vote for former president Trump at least again is that right yeah I mean I I think that people want to separate um policy from character and I just don't see how you can do that Robert I know we started off the evening where you said you're not sure who you may support did this debate change your mind in any way uh kind of did make me sway a little bit toward Kamal Harris what did you think as to who I would vote for in this election um I strongly felt camela was more optimistic more respectful um I thought she had plans that she um tried to describe in the minutes worth of time that she had all right so uh we're still working on the pronunciation with some folks but that is a super cut I could listen to over and over again just great stuff from my friends in the focus groups you know I just I love focus group I love an undecided voter uh with all the caveats first impression still early lots of Voters who haven't watched or maybe even seen a clip of the debate um what are your thoughts on how this debate is landing with people it's Landing great she clearly won she moved the ball forward on a whole host of measures she looked strong she looked presidential she got a chance to introduce herself to the country huge viewership uh which is a huge win right I think there were some initial numbers that made it seem like it it's only a slight increase over Biden the fact that it's this big I think is is very good for her and it and because of Trump's Behavior it became sort of a cultural moment so you're seeing a lot there are a lot of the clips it may not be the clips that we'll get into some other pulling later but they may not be the clips that are exactly perfect for k Harris in terms of like the exact uh focus group message but it shows her looking good and him looking bad and that is great but the biggest takeaway here is there's a lot more work to do right in the CNN poll uh 82% of people said that their vote was not changed which no one should be surprised by that you know basically 80 to 85% of Voters have been pretty locked in their position for a long time in that poll 14% said they were the debate made them reconsider who they were supporting I imagine most of those are Trump supporters but and then 4% say they'd actually changed their mind and I think it's important that we think about this debate differently than any other presidential debate we've ever had because usually the the debate is the closing pitch it's the where you try to close the deal because the candidates have been campaigning for well over a year they've been running ads they are well known to the voters in that moment kamla Harris for most people just like popped up two months ago they still didn't know her so this is not her closing pitch this is her in front of a giant audience making the initial sale to try to get people to to be open to her and the fact that 14% of people are have moved and most of those probably have at least are now openly considering her that's a win but there's a lot more work to do yeah I think we have to um look at people's decision about who to vote for not as like an on andof switch where they see the debate and suddenly they change their minds overnight like this is sort of a journey for a lot of Voters undecided voters and I think it's clear that for most UND ided voters uh at least what we're seeing in the data what we're hearing in the focus groups um they came away with a more favorable impression of KLA Harris and they learned more about KLA Harris that they liked um if they haven't changed their mind yet it be it's it sounds like it's because they haven't heard enough from her yet they want to know more they wanted more more details they want to see more of her uh they probably want to see her you know doing interviews talking to people in other settings right uh and so you know we've talked for over over a year now about sort of originally Biden and now kamla Harris wanting to force a choice right to say here's Donald Trump hears me and let's make people decide um who maybe haven't been paying attention and I do think you know unlike either of the conventions Democratic or republican the debate was the first time voters got to see the two candidates um who were running against each other for president one of whom will be president on stage together next to each other for 90 minutes and so uh and they came away thinking that KLA Harris did much better um our friends at the um Center left uh blueprint polling uh also asked voters which lines and messages made them more likely to vote for kamla Harris and against Donald Trump um I thought this was probably more useful than any Topline number about who might have changed their minds uh anything stand out to you from that poll or others we've seen so far like other data points that actually would help with the campaign's message and all of us as volunteers as we're going out trying to convince people so two things one the essentially the best testing message in the entire poll from that debate was KLA Harris's line that she's not Joe Biden she's certainly not Donald Trump but she offers a new generation of leadership that people that and that fits with what I think has been probably both of our theory of this race which is her ability to represent something different to turn the page on the Trump era is really the key to Victory here because in that times poll voters wanted change and most voters thought that she represented more of the same and so if she can change that and reframe this race in the fact where she is turning the page on Trump that and and sort of what we've been going through for the last many years here that's a huge posi of her the other thing and I think this is really interesting and it's interesting for people in the conversations they're going to have with the voters in their lives and also for how we think about the campaign strategy going forward is all the best messages were the positive ones the ones that were about KLA Harris and her values and it really wasn't about Trump and I think when you look at that CNN poll uh to try to merge these two polls together people's opinions of Donald Trump did not change they did not think worse of him after that debate like his favorability his unfavorability rating did not really go up it didn't really move and so when people are trying to make their decision where on that Journey that you're talking about they already know what they need to know about Trump and so they're going to cross the line cross the Rubicon to vote for KL Harris based on what they learn about her over these next 50 some days and I think that's just really important as we think about how we're going to what we are posting on social what we're sharing with in our friends and families group chats Etc is that what they really want is they want to know about KL Harris who she is her plans Etc more than they need one more clip of trump acting like a nutcase well and we heard one of the um women we heard from In that clip said you know people think that you can separate character from policy and I don't know how you can do that the voters who still haven't made up their minds yet um about who to vote for or whether they're going to vote at all they you most of them don't like Donald Trump and they don't think he has a great character they have already decided that they are still considering him because they haven't separated character from policy yet and they're still thinking yeah maybe she has a better character and she's more honest and and a fresh face stuff like that but I'm still I don't know if her policies are better if she's going to be a better president than him even though he's kind of an um that's the voter that we're talking about here and that can frustrate all of you as it does us um but that's it's it's something to keep in mind and to your point first of all I am not not Joe Biden and I'm certainly not Donald Trump what I do is offer a new generation of leadership for the country um we hadn't even seen the blueprint polling yet but uh when she said that line in the debate there were cheers from our office because we just knew we knew that from all the data that we had seen that that would work well and it and sure enough it did the other best testing lines um the true measure of a leader is who actually understands that strength is not beating people down it's lifting people up right which again I'm sure a lot of us political hardened cynical political junkies would think that that's maybe too Gauzy and positive and you know that's voters like that um we don't want this kind of approach that's just constantly trying to divide us especially by race we don't want a leader who is constantly trying to have Americans Point their fingers at each other that was another uh top testing line and then on issues no surprise here right around those lines that I just mentioned restoring roie Wade strengthening the Affordable Care Act and bringing down drug cost uh K saying Trump has no plan for you um and then uh the only negative message about Trump that tested in that top range was um her talking about the Trump sales tax the 20% tax on everyday Goods that's $44,000 more a year for families this is how she described the tariffs which was great because she didn't even have to describe what a tariff is or Define it she didn't she didn't use the word no she just called it a trump sales tax and it turns out it was maybe the strongest negative message against Trump um the only other thing I'll point out is I saw the New York Times has been talking to undecided voters um not the random story that some of you may have seen about how for some UND undecided voters she didn't close the deal there's a panel of undecided voters that they've been following around that's actually um the right uh sample scientifically and not just like random people that they talk to in a diner um and Patrick Hy of the New York Times said he was talking to some of these younger undecided voters after the debate and he has a comment from a 24-year-old undecided voter um that he said reflected the sentiments of a lot of people in the group after the debate about Trump and he said he doesn't necessarily scare me I think he's incompetent what scares me is the people he surrounded himself with and how they can use him Laura lomer was on the plane with him the Heritage Foundation and all the plans they have it just seems like he's a vessel for other people who are way more competent and have way more plans to do stuff that I personally don't agree with I feel like they're going to use him and get policies enacted that I personally don't agree with I loved that comment because I I think it gets it a truth of how people see Trump and we've talked a lot about how some voters don't see him as that extreme on abortion even though they know that it was his Supreme Court Justices that overturned row and um and they don't trust them St like that but people are starting to understand that project 2025 you know Laura lomer on the plane for those who don't know she said she's a proud islamophobe she's already tweeting horribly racist things about kamla Harris um she's just she she's all you have to know about her is she's in a fight with margerie Taylor green right now where margerie Taylor green says she's too extreme and racist for the Maga movement she's the one person Margy Taylor green would fight with where you'd think about rooting for Mar Taylor GRE that's right that's who she is that's how bad that's all you have to know about Laura lumer and she's been on the plane with Trump she she was his debate guest she's his buddy now she just flying around she's a 911 truther and she went to the 9911 Memorial with him sorry yes I forgot that was a big one that was a big one cuz if you didn't if I didn't say that Tommy was going to bust through into the studio like the Kool-Aid man he's so mad about it but that kid from that 24-year-old from California who was undecided that this I think that is the more effective argument about Trump for people who think maybe he's a little different or maybe he's not that bad or he's like but like you know he's he's actually not that extreme or conservative it's that he has as as KL Harris said in the debate he is easily duped uh he is easily manipulated and he's going to have a bunch of extreme extreme far-right people around him more so than he ever has before that if he gets back to the White House are going to do whatever the they want because Donald Trump doesn't really care because he's EAS easily manipulated and I think that is a very effective argument for undecided swing voters one person who begs to differ on the outcome of the debate Donald Trump uh whose Kink is uh saying that he won things he actually lost um not all of his usual pals are buying the spin this time though uh here's Brit Hume and Neil Cavuto of Fox News um Maga Maha surrogate RFK Jr and Republican pollster Frank luns make no mistake about it Trump had a bad night he decisively lost vice president Harris clearly won the debate I've spoken to people on his team and uh and um members of his family I think they feel like uh the same way that I do I think that you know there was some lost opportunities Donald Trump lost and this is not the worst debate performance I've seen in my career but it's very close to it it was a pretty negative performance pretty pessimistic cynical and I think that this will cost him yes I'm I'm trying to decide if I want to go on record and the answer is yes I think that uh that he loses because of this debate performance wowow that was fun to listen to also that's what I would listen to over and over again more than the undecided voters I mean I like them too but this is this is more more Frank Lun just bring himself to say on Piers Morgan oh he lost I think I think the debate lost it for him um we almost by the way Reed didn't want to put this clip in because he didn't want to jinx it which was a a good thought on on on Reed's behalf and and I thought about that too but so we're not saying again I'm not saying so much more work to do he could easily win and you know Frank Lun uh maybe you don't uh take his prediction seriously you know we're just having fun we take our superstitions politically very seriously here and I went through an entire calculus on this when Reed brought it up and us saying it is would be possibly a Karma violation Frank L saying it doesn't have anything to do with karma for us so it's okay yeah we're not telling you to believe anything Frank Ln says um RFK Jr great surrogate by the way what how helpful is he I'm shocked he's not better at this just truly shocked I mean have you known him before the brainworm he was great then but now I don't know this is his big week you know the guy who's been uh he's had a lot of roadkill animal stuff like I'm surprised the whale thing this week there was the no I'm saying it's a big week for him because of the Springfield Ohio stuff oh I see yes you know but he's been I guess he's been you'd think he'd want to sit back because he's had some pet issues himself animal issues himself that's maybe that's why um so all of this is of course driving Trump nuts he posted on Truth social that Neil Cavuto is one of the worst on television uh he said he'd rather go with the losers at msdnc um and then yeah that's tough and then in much bigger news uh Trump made it clear on Thursday that he is too afraid to face kamla Harris again so because we've done two debates and because they were successful there will be no third debate that's it no third debate uh I guess that's that huh are you uh are you surprised he already threw in the towel I don't know that he we have just been talking about this debate non-stop for 72 hours now um I I'm not sure he threw in the tow you think he might reconsider if if the polls go badly he backed out of the debate we just had like three different times so I think it's possible often times with Trump this sort of thing is the beginning of a negotiating play maybe this is how he pushes for Fox who knows I don't know that there's a lot real there's a real plan here um but I could definitely see him being goated into possibly being goated into doing another one um he's not someone super well acquainted with his own best interests so maybe he will do another debate well it's interesting that you said it could be the opening of a negotiating Ploy if you're the Harris campaign do you fight for another debate at this point 100% because I mean I know we said that it was in her interest to do it which is why they said we'll see you at the next debate now that he said no I'm wondering how hard they push it but I I still think you want you want another big audience she needs another debate she absolutely does um if you one of the things in that CN poll not to keep going back to it is Trump exits that debate with a 12o advantage on the economy and that's the big the this is through no fault of hers it's just that the way that debate went is the first two questions from the economy Trump answered one of those questions about immigration and we were Off to the Races onto mythically uh missing cats and that is the biggest thing she needs to that was her biggest audience to do it she did not get an opportunity she came back a middle class background at seven points but the debate did not allow for a huge big conversation on the economy and that's what she has to fix and so having another opportunity in front of another incredibly large audience to do that is I think incredibly important if she can get it she can win without it obviously but there is so much more work to do here and a debate would be very helpful to be back on that stage for that reason yeah and again for all the hundreds of millions of dollars that she has raised and the ad she'll run and the campaigning she and the rest of the ticket and spouses and everyone else is doing all over the swing States you're still not going to get an audience as big as a debate audience to deliver your message which is why that's really valuable and even a debate audience like even that audience of 67 million people is less than half of the 2020 electorate what we do know is that the and the voters who are most most persuadable most undecided most swingy are the ones least likely to watch the debate least likely to watch to consume at least traditional media coverage of the debate and so so that then you may ask the question why do second debates because you need another moment where obviously people will hear about this through osmosis or maybe closer to the end they will tune in um if it's in in October as it would likely be so so what do you make of the uh outbreak of honesty among some of these Republican media types I would just say that Donald Trump's debate performance was so bad that the people who deny climate change couldn't deny this it's just suddenly they found like shame crept back into their mind they couldn't they just couldn't bring themselves it was I mean obviously the most obsequious magot types are chilling for Trump here but it's impossible to defend it's absolutely impossible it was he knew he was losing from the look on his face from about 35 minutes into that debate you couldn't really say otherwise and so they will say he did poorly but then we won talk about this P pivot and blame other other factors for why he did so poorly but you know there was there was no I you couldn't if you were a person who at least pretends half the time to be somewhat uh to the journalistic center of Shan Hannity like Brit Hume does then you kind of had to say this yeah I mean I think they they those people probably realize that most people who watched the debate um had working eyes and ears and they could see it with their see themselves can't really people on that um so the Trump campaign uh has been telling reporters on background that Trump supposedly had detailed plans and talking points for the debate that would have helped him avoid taking the bait from kamla Harris and pivot back to his core message do you think any of these people have ever met Donald Trump prior to the debate it's so funny because if you read there's a great Bull workk story from Mark Caputo about this and in it they talk about how he had these very detailed strategic plans and the one they cite is how he was going to Pivot off the cat story that he himself brings up so it's like they had decided that this very serious policy happy warrior Trump could not be convinced to not bring up the fake cat story but they but they prepared him for how to get to the cat story and then pivot to the larger Biden Administration uh immigration Rec whatever else I mean they did debate prep with Matt Gates and tulsy gabard yeah and he and he just couldn't execute he just couldn't execute the play what a surprise let Trump be Trump I mean obviously put aside the idea that he ever had detailed plans or concept of a plan for how to do this debate or whatever you want to say he obviously and they've been clear in the report on this he had a strategic objective they announced it in a conference call with this collection of morons who did debate prep that what they were going to do is they were going to tie her to the Biden Administration record on inflation and immigration and he could not do that he he could not execute because he's an addled old man who's obsessed with himself like just could not execute it and by the way her pointing that out is not just fan Serv for all of us who already known that it is showing people and I think it has showed people and I just have always like this man imagine him in the Oval Office like he can't follow a plan he has no discipline he can't control himself and that can be funny um or politically fruitful uh if you're kamla Harris in the context of a debate but when you're uh leading the Free World uh might be problematic might might be a riskier choice uh to send him back to to the White House which reason why that's important is in that New York Times Sienna poll KL Harris and Donald Trump were tied in terms of who is a riskier choice yep so not all of Trump's siop Fant have uh given up on making excuses for his bad debate uh most of them are blaming ABC News and the moderators Ben Shapiro said the network quote put a stake through the heart of presidential debates uh and Charlie Kirk likened it to a show trial where ABC News was the Executioner uh Maga cooks are also calling moderator Lindsey Davis and kamla Harris sorority sisters because they were part of the same historically black sorority even though they graduated from different colleges several years apart uh and the sorority has 360,000 members uh so that's yeah they're they're they're buddies um Trump himself is calling uh is calling the moderators all kinds of names saying that ABC News should lose its broadcast license Shawn Davis over at the Federalist uh the guy who runs the Federalist he said that um uh they should be arrested the moderators should be arrested and charged with campaign interference is that a law I'm Mak sure that's a law it's not a law it's not a lot Dan um Trump also had more to say about his performance uh at a rally in Tucson on Thursday as everyone saw two nights ago we had a Monumental victory over comrade Camala Harris in the presidential two low life anchors in low lives I'm not going to watch you because he's not legit what he did I'm not going to watch him and his hair is not as good as it used to be and she was nasty she looked at me with hatred in her eyes people said that I was angry at the debate angry I was angry and yes I am angry because he allowed 21 million illegal aliens invading our communities many of them are criminals many are criminals I'm angry wow so that a little bit about David mir's hair a little bit about Lindsey Davis's Hate In Her Eyes um he's angry um we don't have this part of the clip but at one point he talked about um he talked about the situation in Springfield um and said all these ha immigrants are coming into Springfield who knows where they're from who who who could who could Venture a guess I'm sure all of the um the complaining about the moderators and ABC sure that's Landing with Trump supporters do you think that kind of whining is going to land with anyone else I don't think most people are hearing it right it's it's fan service right it's just to make make the make your magga base feel better about the disaster they watched and there's just a truism in politics that the side complaining about the moderators is a side that lost the debate that is always true it was true when Democrats were complaining about the CNN moderators after the Biden Trump debate yeah that is always the case to the extent anyone hears it it just sounds like more whining yeah about something involving himself and this is you can see the seeds of the campaign in trying to manage Trump here which is I'm angry but I'm angry what he was trying to execute there quite poorly I would say was allow him to blather on about the debate and then he's going to say he's angry but he's angry on behalf of you for all for immigration or whatever else but he can't do it and he the part where he's talking about himself he has passion and vigor and the part where he's talking about everyone else he's reading a script and that is like how that is Donald Trump to a tea which is what kamla Harris said she said go to one of his rallies and the one thing you won't hear is anything about you because he has no plans for you um because he doesn't care about anyone but himself which by the way also he he announced in a video today that in a couple days he's coming out with his own crypto what mean it's like 50s something days before the election crypto he's doing a Twitter spaces on September 16th that's right Twitter spaces yeah that's a that's a Monday I think I don't know this is what he's going to do he's just it's about it's a money-making scheme that's it the idea that he is doing this 50 days before the election and it's not one of the biggest stories it's just sort of why like there's a lot of big big story so I don't want to play that game but it's just it is a truly insane thing to do it's crazier than selling the Bibles with leag rewind it's crazier than that well before we move on to kamla Harris we should note that the other message Maga world is driving post debate has to do with the issue that most voters are focused on which is whether or not immigrants in Springfield Ohio are eating people's pets uh an update they're still not uh but thanks to Trump and JD Vance repeating this deranged conspir to millions of people the Springfield News Sun reports that multiple City County and school buildings were closed on Thursday due to a bomb threat uh while Haitian immigrants are saying that they're scared for their fam's lives um meanwhile a trump adviser told the bull workk quote if anyone thinks we're scared to talk about Haitians eating pets they're wrong yeah no you don't seem scared to do that um here I'm reminded of uh kamla Harris's convention speech line that Trump is an unserious man whose second term is President would come with extremely serious consequences uh what do you think is this a storyline to be mocked feared both both like Trump should be mocked for this because it's it's absurd it's embarrassing it's unpresidential it just shows like what as kis would say an unserious person but we there this is yet another and a long line of incidents over the last n years of American politics where Donald Trump and the farri media and the Republican party as a whole have said things spread conspiracy theories and those conspiracy theories have led to real world consequences including violence like do we remember when in 2016 a gunman showed up at Comet Pizza in Washington DC because of all the pizza gate conspiracies yeah that person showed up there to try to rescue children from a pizza place because of what was spreading around the internet being pushed by Trump allies we've seen these mass shootings that have been where this Shooters have talked about great replacement Theory something that is being pushed by Tucker Carlson and a bunch of other people in the far like there is a history here and it is it is deeply dangerous and so yes we should make fun of trump but we should understand as K Harris would say that there are very serious consequences for his unserious behavior and you know I I think the the buar was also interviewing some folks in Springfield and what they're finding is a lot of the residents in Springfield are now saying they've heard about the rumors from Trump and JD Vance or something that they saw on the internet not something that they've seen in their communities and in fact like so yes the the the background here for Springfield is uh a lot of Haitian immigrants came over the last couple years they were first of all legal immigrants um they got Asylum from Haiti uh which is horribly violent right now and so they escaped they came to the United States all legally and there were all these job opportunities in Springfield so they came now because there's so many new people in Springfield it has put like some strain on on social services and there have been some issues but when you talk to people in Springfield and when they ask people so many of them were saying well these Haitian immigrants are some of the best workers we have in our factories and it's actually not that big of a deal and it's getting blown up by the national press and so you see how this happens where maybe there's some tension with newcomers in a in a town in Ohio and then the right-wing crazies get involved and the larger the platform when it gets by the time it gets to JD Vance and then it gets to Donald Trump on a debate stage in front of 67 million people suddenly conspiracies are floating around that are really going to put people in danger who live in the town um that both the Haitian immigrants and the residents of Springfield because now there's just crazies all over the place it's it is so insane it is so insane but it is also should be mocked and right now on TiK ToK by the way people are um people are remixing the Donald Trump saying they're eating cats and dogs and it's just it's fire some of those remix they fire did you just say it's fire it's fire yeah and and it's hard to say this because again you speaking in EM an emoji now like what is happening I don't even know you you want Tik toac for six minutes and you start saying look my brain has been pickled it's fire god that was fast I mean come on um but it's insane and I I don't I I can't tell now if they're going to stop it uh because they're just going to get bored with it or like they're they're going to keep keep riding this one now they're just going to keep talking about Springfield Ohio I I can't imagine that they find that this you think you think the latter they're just going to keep doing this I mean for a while until they found a find a new absurd thing like we had an entire episode explainer on gas stove confiscation last a couple years ago like they take these things for a long pretty far away let me ask you something before we move on to this like it seems like the two best issues for Trump are the economy inflation and immigration it seems very much like he does not want to talk about his best issue which according to the polls is inflation in the economy and only wants to talk about immigration do you think that that could ultimately be a mistake for him yeah for sure like it seems like he just can't he has no interest in driving an economic contrast or an economic message it doesn't get the same reason that Donald Trump doesn't like to talk about the economy it's the same reason why the Press rarely writes about the economy yeah it doesn't drive engagement right when you go to a rally and he starts talking about the cost of living people don't go nuts you spew some conspiracy theory about immigrants eating cats Crowd Goes Crazy and so and he is just very pavlovian when it comes to Applause and so he this is like that New York that North Carolina Rally from a few weeks ago where he got there started talking started reading the economic parts of the speech no one no one applauded so he just went down all the rabbit holes so yeah I think it's it's hard for him to do now the campaign is advertising on the economy yes right they have a new ad up which has uh quotes of KLA Harris saying bomic is working like they are they're hammering that yeah but uh not going to get it not going to get it from the candidate Ad break today's presenting sponsor is simply safe home security did you know September is National preparedness month it's a great reminder for Americans to think about their own preparedness at home and how Simply Safe can help with Simply Safe you'll be alerted the moment a break-in fire or even flooding occurs and enjoy Peace of Mind knowing agents are standing by to send emergency help when you need it most why do you love Simply Safe I set up as 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uh her team has their foot in the gas after their big win Tuesday night uh apparently they brought in $47 million from 600,000 donors within the first 24 hours after the debate um on Thursday they released two new ads that incorporate debate footage you can always tell which campaign thinks they won the debate because they put out ads that have the debate footage in them uh Trump did not do that KLA Harris did uh one ad does the uh future versus past optimism versus pessimism contrast and includes the great Harris line where she said she offers the new generation of leadership uh the other AD is a cut down of the debate exchange over abortion Politico also has a story saying the Harris campaign is going to be stepping up the pace of their events and interviews including interviews with less traditional Outlets something uh Trump has been doing a lot of and the campaign launched their post- debate Battleground Tour on Thursday starting with two comma Harris events in North Carolina uh here she is in Charlotte talking about the debate two nights ago Donald Trump and I had our first debate and I believe we owe it to the voters to have another debate because this election and what is at stake could not be more important uh now she sounded like she was having a good time at that event uh how long do you think she keeps needling him about the debate and anything else she can do to just keep this in the news a couple more days I think needle him out the debate for a few more days keep aggressively pushing publicly for another debate call him out for being afraid to debate again that's where that's the next turn of the wheel I think is there yeah calling him a chicken Pluff was on on Twitter calling him a chicken uh he's he's he's excited it's good to have good to have Pluff back in the mix um what do you think of the two new ads they're good I mean they they like so much of this campaign they are very data driven and the things they put out are the things that the polls say work the abortion ad is very powerful and it's the sort of the exact cont I think it's the the we always talking about like what ads should you send to the people in your you know the voters in your life who are curious and particularly the ones who are deciding between voting and not voting not necessarily voting between Harris and Trump and I think the abortion at is a very powerful one like that is a that was a great one to send send around to people well and I think you brought this up on our last pod that that Pluff tweeted during the debate how undecided voters reacted to both of their answers on abortion was like the biggest split he's ever seen in 40 Point swing yeah so that's that's probably why they went with that one um uh on the Politico story about Harris doing more interviews with non-traditional Outlets do you have any advice for the campaign on that aside from go on pods save America I've been pitching them directly to some polar coaster diing the data you and Elijah got him behind the pay wall it's a good it's a good way to reach undecided political pole junkies I I mean I think this is be very interesting what happens next year I think they've had a very good set of reasons for why they have been pretty reticent in the sort of media appearances she's been doing right they had they you know as we said before she woke up in the morning the vice president by brunch she was the Democratic nominee she had to pick a vice president get ready for a convention prepare for a debate hire a staff do all these things and so but now here we are we're in the final Str at 50 days and I think her media strategy has to be what I sometimes call like everything everywhere all at once she's got to do everything she got to she's been doing and to her credit she has been doing local radio almost every morning um in when she was in debate Camp getting ready for the debate keep doing that she's gonna have to sit down and do local TV interviews but I think the the bulk of where the energy has to be is in non-traditional stuff because the voters that you need to reach are just impossible to reach through all the traditional tools of a campaign including advertising on linear television yes it is just so hard hard to reach particularly young people because they have cut the cord they they are on Tik Tok where there's no paid advertising they are on Netflix where there's no political advertising they are on other platforms where there's no political adver they're just other than like major events like really football games it is very hard to reach them with ads and so you're going to have to just be everywhere and I so you know have comeis going hot ones do caller daddy have Tim Walls do every Sports podcast you possibly can around football season have him do local sports radio before high school games as a former High School coach just be everywhere do lots of things take big swings take big risks and by the way we should say like this do have that strategy probably will not satisfy a lot of reporters from traditional Outlets who will say she's avoiding tough questions instead of she's avoiding the Press because they'll think you know the the argument is they're more softball questions and non-traditional Outlets but it it's less about the type of question for the c hris campaign that it is about the audience because like you like you said it's just a lot of Voters that they need to reach are just not tuning into traditional media outlets and not getting their news from them she she should take questions from the Press she should you know before when she gets off the plane or gets on the plane after an event take questions do that just be out there but there was this bargain that existed for since the invention of media where candidates would take questions from the press and often times those questions were tough but they're really often process Orient they weren't the questions that the campaign they weren't the campaign's message but you took the those questions you suffered through that because you needed the reach of the media to reach the public you still need some of that for sure but just that relationship between uh journalism and reaching voters has been severed somewhat and so you have like do some of that stuff the CNN interview got 6.6 million voter viewers which is good but that's because it was of an event the next one's not going to get that you know maybe the one way to sort I think you can sort of square the circle on this is to do like a network Town Hall where because that serves two purposes one you are taking questions from a reporter and voters it's traditional media but it's also usually covered by the rest of the press as an event and so it's not you know because you just have SE an interview generally it's just going to be on CNN and no one else is going to really care but but lean into the non-traditional stuff take risks and be incred aggressive cuz she's really good and she's really really good when she is just being a human talking about her life and there's this great one this Great Clip that's been going around on Tik Tok maybe it's fire I don't know um where sorry you've never heard that before just damn never heard it from I've heard it it's not from you my Gen X [Laughter] co-host you you you have the spir you may be a millennial but you have the soul of a silent Generation member look I haven't gone as far as is Tommy talking about Riz this and that so is yes we're not there yet but there's this great um God I wish I remember what was called but it's a show where they ask you they play little music and you have to guess the artist and then talk about your relationship with it where she talks about Stevie Wonder and Miles Davis and it is awesome yeah um and like there's we've talked before about the Mindy King cooking uh video from 20 2019 like that sort of stuff more and more of that and by the way there's a lot of these non-traditional Outlets where you can talk substantively about your plans and policies for voters who want to know more about what you're going to do like it doesn't have to all be sort of like human interest cultural lighter stuff right like it can be a mix of that and like letting people know what you're going to do as president which is what a lot of like some of the low info less engaged more cynical voters are going to want to know all right so before we go uh the other big news from Tuesday night of course was Taylor Swift's endorsement Taylor Swift's endorsement of kamla Harris CNN has reported that in the 24-hour period after Swift posted more than 405,000 people had clicked the link she shared to vote.gov um most days traffic is about 30,000 people uh she also encouraged people to register at the VMAs on Wednesday night when she spoke and uh won a VMA um and even though Maga world has plenty to be angry about between Trump's debate performance and the uh Spade of uh pet napping and cat eating in Springfield uh they've still saved some outrage for the world's biggest pop star let's listen we admire Taylor Swift's music but I don't think most Americans whether they like her music or fans of hers or not are going to be influenced by a billionaire celebrity who I think is fundamentally disconnected from the interests uh and and and the problems of most Americans and she'll prob probably pay a price for it at the uh in the marketplace but the other thing about all this is what makes you think that the way you think should influence other people you sing for a just deal with that I'm allowed to criticize Taylor Swift and I don't give a who gets upset this is disgusting F Taylor Swift Megan Kelly something Megan Kelly is going through something she is she's ever since she's off she's gotten even the last couple of months it's just gotten steadily weirder and more extreme she's so angry that she thinks it's disgusting because Taylor in her post said she's particularly happy that KLA chose Tim Walls and and she and she said that you know Tim Walls in Minnesota has stood up for LGBT people and you know he remember this he sort of was the head of the gay straight Alliance and at the high school write all the stories but she takes it as like I don't know she went down this whole conspiracy with Tim Walls and it's it's like it's who knows uh what do you think about all this like what what I I I continue to think that going hard negative on the most popular recording artist in in the world uh is not a good strategy no it is not a good strategy it makes you look ridiculous which first point two JD Vance is I know he went to Y law but he is adult I know saying saying that saying who's going to listen to a billionaire disconnect the Harris campaign should put that in an ad and then put a picture of Donald Trump after he says the line there there's the there's your ad for you a billionaire celebrity made JD abandoned everything he stood for and then but the reason like uh judge Janine p and Megan KY are doing this is because they're not trying to win an election they are trying to get engagement and talking about Taylor Swift being angry about Taylor Swift loving Taylor Swift will get people on the internet to pay attention to you and that that's what that was a there's not real anger like she is a naturally angry human being I believe that but me and Kelly did that little performance so that we would talk she'd go viral more people would pay attention to her remember that she was once on a network television show and now she does whatever she does you it's just the whole people they're ridiculous they're ridiculous group of people it's a crazy thing to be bad about also Donald Trump saying she's I think she's going to pay a price in the market place we'll see pal we'll see and then like Elon musk's weird creepy tweet about it oh I didn't even see this oh my God hold on hold on Elon Musk tweeted fine Taylor you win I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life these they are I mean they are just so the weird thing the weird thing is really it's you know what if you like even if you are for some reason haven't followed Elon musk's trip down the rabbit hole over the last several years like you see him talking about like I will give you a child Taylor Swift what the is wrong with this person yeah just weird you're right saying you Taylor what is going on with these people calm down how dare a celebrity get involved in politics I don't know why would that be so offensive I can imagine these republics are so offended by it unbelievable anyway what a great week but you know what there's going to be tough weeks ahead it's a close race who knows what's going to happen right now we're having a good time it's a great week that debate was great watching Donald Trump meltdown is great watching the Megan Kelly meltdown about Taylor Swift is great it's all great it's fantastic all right uh you know it would be even better if you went to 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