Will Kamala CRASH In First Interview?

good morning everybody happy Thursday we have an amazing show for everybody today what do we have Crystal indeed we do we are awaiting tonight the long anticipated KLA Harris interview she amazingly hasn't given one since bid and Dro down which now feels like 83 years ago um so that's happening alongside her vice presidential pick Tim wall so we will preview that we also have finally actually a significant amount of polling coming out post DNC especially some Fox news swing state polls that are very interesting and also some voter registration data that is worth digging into so we'll get into that we're also taking a look at a Wall Street Journal poll of how Americans are feeling about the American dream seems kind of important so we're going to dig into that uh we've got some Trump indictment news a superseding indictment issued in the election interference case we're also going to take a look at Trump's economic plan since we've been focused a little bit on what KLA Harris is up to we'll contrast what Trump's plans are as best you can decipher not that you ever really know what that man is going to do but we should take him at his word that these are the things that he plans to implement if he is once again elected president of the United States we also have some news coming out of Israel there's kind of sort of maybe a temporary partial ceasefire in order to vaccinate uh some Palestinians for polio there is now a polio outbreak in the Gaza Strip so we'll take a look at that and I am doing a monologue today on whether or not the Bernie to Trump pipeline is Real This of course AER being relevant in the of the RFK Jr and Tulsi gabard Trump uh endorsements there's something going on there we can talk about it I'm actually excited to listen I I apologize in advance the monologue is way too long turned when I scratched the surface there was too much I wanted to well there's been a fun split and uh you know it's like it's almost like a it's one of it's almost like a study of Religion or something and to see like the fractionalization of all of it so anyway I'm I'm interested and I'm excited to talk about it thank you to all of our premium subscribers breakingpoints if you want to go ahead and sign up and help us out here but why don't we begin with kamla the big interview it is today tonight at what 9:00 p.m. it's tonight at night I unfortunately will be on a plane but Crystal will have a card Dan bash um also known maybe as BB bash because of her pro Israel commentary anyway that'll be uh potentially relevant let's go and put the announcement up on the screen so KLA Harris and Tim Walls are going to sit with CNN's Dana Bash um this evening 9:00 p.m. Eastern it says it occurs as the C Cates embark on a bus tour through the Battleground state of Georgia marks the first time Harris has sat with the journalists for an in-depth on the record conversation since President Joe Biden dropped his bid for a second term and endorsed her on July 21 a lot of pressure on her Sager obviously to um agree to do an interview seems like kind of the basics of what you would expect from a candidate for president in a democracy so good that this is uh finally happening a lot made of the fact that she's going to have Tim Walls alongside of her um you know one of the risks of waiting so long and doing so few at this point zero interviews is that it makes each one so much more significant 100% you know if you do a lot of interviews also it makes the media happier so they're more likely to go a little bit easier on you when you wait so long you you know on the one hand it means you don't have an opportunity to make a mistake she's timed this very strategically to be before the Labor Day weekend holiday weekend so if she does stumble as is possible and as we've seen in previous interviews it's very likely you know after the long holiday weekend and we come back next week on Tuesday that a lot of that will be forgotten so it's strategically timed Etc but there's no doubt that there's she has built a lot of anticipation around this interview simply because of the scarcity of kamla Harris unscripted moments I that's why the risk is there and so that's why PE there's a criticism that she's doing it with Tim Wallace it's actually apparently I didn't know this apparently it is a tradition that you're supposed to do a down interview it's with your running mate it's just that you usually do it like the day after you name your running mate you don't usually wait for you know several weeks or any of that it's an extraordinary time I think only 68 days as of today until the election I know which is nuts whenever you put it that way voting starts some states in like nine days yeah nine days you have early voting which is out completely crazy uh but okay let's let's come back and think about the interview the real risk here is that and one of the major benefits for Trump I think we can always say was the spr pray and pray strategy where he just does he's always in the public eye at all times so I remember when I covered him at the White House he would say something crazy and then we would do an interview and it would get cleared up or he would do something else and everyone would move on within 24 hours sometimes even less than that and that's the thing the risk is if you do one bad one and then you are you know entrenched where all the evidence we have so far from her campaign it's very risk averse so they're looking back at all their past interviews we're going to show everybody some highlights and some things that they want to do but given her bad experience now so far it may actually retrench her and then all we will have as media and others is the single interview where possibly it doesn't go that well I also do think there's like a real softball element and you talked here about Dana Bash Dana Bash is an incredibly biased figure from her Israel commentary to her like masculinity commentary which we were going to talk about last time in our show and eventually will at some point but like this is not you know some so-called straightup news anchor fine if it's one of a lot but it it's a little different whenever it's somebody who is not on the record praising Tim wals immediately and Doug mhof immediately after the speech and then you turn to the first interview it's funny our friend uh Glenn Greenwald before the interview was announced he's like I bet she goes to somebody like Dana Bash you know and he's he's as Good's he's even more cynical than me which takes a lot of work but what he's accurately pointing out is that you go to the safe route and I think that's one of the reasons that they they are doing so and I you know I mean I don't think that's a good thing I I really don't I mean I think danab bash will feel enough pressure just given the high-profile nature of the event she's going to ask some things that are meant to challenge and you know in terms of kamla and how she will perform I genuinely don't know what to expect because frankly after she did that Lester hold interview that you know on the border that was Crash and Burn she basically didn't do any more interviews for like you know a long time and I don't so that's my last impression of how she performs in these settings and obviously was very very poor but that was also probably her most catastrophic interview incident so I'm wondering if my expectations for her are too low because I'm actually biased in terms of thinking like that's how her standard performance is and in general obviously when she was running for present she gave a lot of interviews and most of them were not all that noteworthy she was able to get through it well enough so um so yeah the expectations are high uh perhaps the Lester Holt interview being the last thing in people's minds have set the expectations very low for her which means if she just kind of gets through it with no major major stumbles then it will be relatively inconsequential but obviously because she's waited so long she's built up that risk you know the knock the very legitimate I think knock on K Harris that she and her team themselves obviously must agree with given how cautious they've been about putting her into unscripted settings is that she's not good in interviews and she's not good in debates y but again you know thinking back to how she did against Mike Pence for example she did fine and she had some moments that you know was perfectly serviceable performance and she had some moments that they felt good about now those moments are are the sort of thing that the media celebrate they're very like girl boss type of moments and you know that she uh was proud of and sort of reminiscent of the that little girl was me shot that she landed on Joe Biden etc etc but uh CNN was recently reliving some of what they considered to be her strongest debate moments against Mike Pence let's go ahead and take a listen to a little bit of that but Susan I this is important and I want to add Mr Vice President I'm speaking I'm speaking Yeah you have 15 more seconds and then we'll give the vice president a chance to Joe Biden has been very clear he will not raise taxes on anybody who makes less than $400,000 a year repal the Trump tax cuts Mr Vice President I'm speaking I'm speaking be important if you said the truth is he only going to repeal part of the Trump tax cut if you don't mind letting me finish we can then have a conversation okay please okay let's talk about the fact yeah I'm I'm about to I mean it was iconic all I can see all I will say is that it was you're watching it right now that is just what happened right there so so women often times in the workplace try to be able to get their voices heard and then men try to speak you never did you ever notice that ever well Lauren let me let you finish your point he man attempted to intervene here he has the floor is that right no I don't thank you Abby that's lovely thank you no look I mean they they are counting on the debates being a kind of catharsis for Democrats bullet my skull over now I I remember when people watch our yeah uh you a turn on cable news you're right I mean they erected a literal I'm speaking mural here in Washington DC I'm not sure if you remember that but what CNN wants to do what CNN was highlighting is that's what they want that's part of the reason what they want out of the debate it's part of the reason why kamla wanted unmuted mics by the way we still have yet to get a actual answer on the unmuted microphones Oh I thought they decided they were going to stick with the original rules that's what Trump said but then the kamla campaign came out and was like no we still haven't agreed on that so but he's like I will be at the debate whatever okay I don't even particularly care at this point someone let me know just let me know though what the actual rules are the point being that yeah look she does fine I mean personally you know that doesn't do it for me but I'm not the only person who votes in this country there are a lot of people apparently who like it um what you want to see from AA Harris is just a normal like you want a baseline but the problem is and this is where it gets to the risk is that she has had many moments where she significantly underperforms the politician Baseline and that is the interesting thing here where you have somebody who right now you know not only is running on Vibes but pely on script and when you're so defensive and what we also know about her is I think she's a deeply insecure individual from behind the scenes we know this from her interviews from the high staff turnover from all of the leaks about the people about how she explodes behind the scenes whenever she feels like she's not prepared this is a very typical politician thing to blame your staff when an interview goes badly even though it's like hey you're the one on the camera lady like you know you're you're the one who who allegedly is trying to get elected so I could see it going both ways I do think it's going to be better for her that Tim Wallace is there with her because frankly he's just a far more compelling figure he can he's more affable he can clean some things up if he needs to and in general my general rule is like if you really can't sit for 30 45 minutes and not make an idiot of yourself you don't belong in this business period like you should never have made it this far so if she does fail I mean that just is real evidence about her genuine weakness as a candidate off the cuff where look you can try and hide as candidate but as president it is actually quite literally impossible the demands of the job actually make it imp even Biden as we saw they tried their absolute best we had plenty of evidence before we ever set foot on that debate stage that he was a long gone man right and so there is a proven aspect to this job where I think some Americans hopefully will be watching and she has set the stakes now so high given that she's waited over a month to even have an interview also I do think it's a little BS to time it right for Labor Day weekend when people like me are getting on a plane and many others are probably jetting off or or getting in the car and going somewhere on vacation so that's you know that that's another sign of weakness that we see there yeah I I do think in terms of her public appearances it seems to me KLA Harris has never had more confidence than she does right now Absolut um she has you know she has a Swagger and a command that she is kind of like you know undefinable X Factor type characteristics that we didn't really see in uh 2020 but just to take relive you know what was perhaps her worst interview moment and which is really perplexing on a variety of levels because the question was totally a totally predictable question that she received and is just completely flx by this is the now Infamous Lester Holt border interview with vice president KL Harris Let's Take listen there's one other topic I wanted to talk to you about but let me just quickly put a button do you have any plans to visit the Border I I'm here in Guatemala today I at some point it we are going to The Border we've been to the border so this whole this whole this whole thing about the Border we've been to the Border we've been to the Border you haven't been to the Border I and I haven't been to Europe and I I don't I don't understand the point that you're making I'm not discounting the importance of the Border well I I I mentioned it because you I know Republicans have certainly come at you on this but Democratic Congressman quar as a border district has said to you and the president come I care about person I care about what's happening at the border I'm in Guatemala because my focus is dealing with the root causes of migration there may be uh some who think that that is not important but it is my firm belief that if we care about what's happening at the border we better care about the root causes and address them and so that's what I'm doing yeah I mean that was a very Infamous moment right for a good reason we used to inarticulate lack of command of the fact a little bit of arog uned not anticipate I mean these are these are like the absolute Basics and that's part of what why she was the most unpopular vice president in modern history you know up until she basically got anointed here and there's no question in my mind I don't think she would win an Open Primary if it were actually open back in the day um you know in a real process not necessarily being anointed and that is why I think we are I mean it's a risky proposition for her and for the Democrats and you see it too where all of the flopping on all of these issues there's almost been so many that you'd have to do an interview solely focused on that as opposed to You' be like talk about Medicare for all all right Medicare for all then let's do fracking then let's do uh what the border wall which you're now your a pro border now let's go about the what about crime talk about criminal jce yeah let's it's I mean I could probably spend two hours with that woman just being like this this this this this this this and this and so do I have confidence that Dana Bash is going to do all of that no U and that's part of the issue you know and part of why she needs to do more interviews cuz the other danger is that we see her recreate her Infamous debate moment with Tulsi gabard where she has no idea what to do when called out on her hypocrisy so with Dana Bash I mean she'll probably hit her on probably well I'm guessing fracking just because that's one where we've seen them stumble in the past and probably the Border too I mean that's the most Stark one that they have she'll ask her some at least challenging question I think really hope so no I I would be surprised if she didn't because just as I said they've kind of pissed off the press and so they've made it much more likely that the questioning will be a bit more hostile even from someone like um Dana Bash but to your point soer and this is part of why I think there will be some uh at least somewhat challenging questions you had John Burman speaking to a KLA Harris spokesperson and on the flip-flopping question was really pressing him on um fracking let's take a listen to how that exchange went the vice president has changed her position on fracking in Pennsylvania do you know why she's changed her position listen I mean she's been very clear here she's uh proud of the work that she's done as a part of this Administration making sure uh that American energy production is at an all-time high we want to continue that progress uh into uh her her first term in office here and again I think uh whether it's energy policy Economic Policy RIT large uh that you have a fighter in kala Harris who is actually keeping uh these interest of the American people front and center uh coming together to bring people together in search of solutions that actually improve people's quality of life improve our economy improve uh energy production but on fracking was there something that changed her mind specifically during the four years of the Biden presidency no listen again the vice president is very proud of the Biden Harris uh administration's record on on energy production in the economy at large she wants to continue to build upon the progress that we've made here that goes for energy production and it goes for the economy across the board right so you know he's pressed multiple times there and this one of the things that will be interesting is like usually when KLA is prepared she does well yeah you know when when she that first debate in 2020 in the Democratic primary you know the that little girl was me moment has kind of like curdled over time but it hit in the moment and she was good not just then but she was on it in that debate she was very good because a lot of the fire wasn't trained on her so she could just insert her when she felt comfortable she could sort of occupy that role as the prosecutor she had clearly like prepared herself very well for that and she wasn't caught on off guard for whatever reason the Lester hole interview she was not prepared for that question there's no one to blame but herself for that and a lot of the potentially difficult line of questioning here is also very anticipatable like the you know the flip questions are really obvious so if you can't answer that if you don't have a plan for answering that you can't execute in the moment it really would be sort of pathetic frankly it would be fairly pathetic um one last point I want to make about this um and then get your final thought we can move on to the latest with with regard to the polls but part of why and I think this is unfortunate but part of why I don't think that most voters really care that much about how many interviews she does etc etc is because of the fact the media is so discredited you know like how much punch does it really pack when Republicans are on the one hand like all of this is fake news media and you know Dana Bash is terrible etc etc but also we really want her to sit down for an interview with the fake news media and for a long time liberals have been the last Bastion of like media trust and that continues to be the case at certainly much higher levels than Republicans but that has eroded also there was a lot of I don't know if you guys followed this or were in these circles but there was a lot of liberal criticism and continues to be a lot of liberal criticism of like the New York Times And The Washington Post first over what they saw as unfair coverage of Joe Biden's age they sort of dropped that one but now and some of these are really legitimate like some of the fact checks that Washington Post New York Times have been doing have been relatively absurd and so there's a media critique conversation that's happening in the liberal side of the equation too that I really have never seen before and of course Independents are also really disaffected and distrustful Americans in general just like across the board are mistrusting of the media and so you know I think that's part of why she feels like she's going to check this box because she's under some pressure to do it but other than that I don't think she feels particularly compelled or pressured to do these interviews and again that's that's an unfortunate thing that's a sign of the degradation both of our media and of like small D democracy in the country but I saw uh one journalist describe her as like the first post media presidential candidate and I think in a sense that that is correct she just doesn't feel much pressure and isn't going to feel much pressure to have to subject herself to truly rigorous difficult interviews and that's just kind of the new reality in American politics Until We the People force a different reality from this just like skating by and not really having take a lot of question exactly right so I looked at the data very recently uh trust in the media amongst Democrats partisan Democrats is roughly 73% but it's much higher for institutions like MSNBC and others where they feel like some kinship and in general what you're seeing especially with younger Generations is that you know cutting the cord obviously I support that and people should and they should support the show uh but you know has really led to a stratification of news consumption the only reason that Trump is not the first post media candidate is because he's so old he still worships a lot of mainstream media Brands like the New York Times and Time Magazine I mean he in his head he still thinks Time Magazine is relevant I'm again I was born in 1992 for me time is like Time for Kids I'm like it's like trash like something you throw in the trash do I know that it once upon a time was relevant yeah that's like telling me about somebody being on the cover of Life magazine in World War II I collect them yeah it doesn't mean I care what that does it even exist anymore I literally couldn't tell you and that's generational thing so for kamla and for a lot of her advisers they are in the other thing is too is that the Democrats and Obama was the was the chief of this Obama had a deep disdain for the media people don't realize this because he privately had both would talk with his advisers and he was like why do I have to give these people anything they're going to basically support me no matter what they hate the Republicans and I why should I subject myself to fake scrutiny so he would do he actually pioneered you know the modern influence presidency remember his videos with BuzzFeed or he was the first person to do a Vox interview he actually made history uh in his first question as president of the United States was not to the New York Times or the Associated Press it was to the Huffington Post and that was a very clear signal he was like hey the rest of you I got options now and that I mean that was 2008 or 2009 the day that happened think about how long it's been since that so HLA look at the DNC you had the Creator lounge and all of that that is a Proto of what is to come that's not necessarily a good thing yeah and but you're right in terms of you know partisan distrust of media is at a point right now where and the Quinton Tarantino was the perfect thing where he's like why shouldn't you do an interviews like I'm going to vote for you no matter what you say there's a lot of a lot of people who actually think that and they think that about Trump as well true yeah yeah uh Trump has some elements of this strategy too um he is really leaning into and you see this with the Tulsi and the RFK Jr picks he's really leaning into the sort of like you know online anti-establishment podcast realm he's doing an interview with Lex fredman apparently coming up as an example of that and betting that that's like a significant enough Force now in American politics to make a difference from him so interesting experiment that he's running there but um but yeah I mean the the previous Norms of sitting for these interviews and feeling responsibility to do them and like the main networks you know getting these interviews regular it's it's basically over and um so this is this pressure resulting in her sitting down and doing this this interview with Dana Bash is kind of a last gasp of of the the old way of doing things um for better and mostly for Worse hey if you like that video hit the like button or leave a comment below it really helps get the show to more people and if you'd like to get the full show add free and in your inbox every morning you can sign up at breakingpoints tocom that's right get the full show help support the future of Independent Media at breakingpoints tocom