Trump BACKS OUT Of Debate In WILD Fox News Interview

good morning everybody happy Thursday we have an amazing show for everybody today what do we have Crystal indeed we do we got a lot of post- debate reaction to bring you including from former president Trump um kind of having a bit of a meltdown on Fox and Friends and also indicating he may not be interested in another debate even one hosted by Fox News host so we'll bring you all of that we also have some a voter reaction after the debate the post- debate polls um and RFK Jr being a little surprisingly honest about some of Trump's shortcomings during the debate so we've got all of that for you we've also got a panel we're excited to talk to about the Taylor Swift endorsement whether or not it will matter and also a conversation we have been wanting to have for a while about the massive gen Z gender gap so we got uh two young folks to come on two genzies that's right a Democrat or Republican to uh to talk about what they think is going on there so that should be an interesting conversation we also wanted to take a look at this massive uh case against Google another antitrust case against Google what it could mean for the tech Giant and also a really disturbing conflict of interest between the lead lawyer for Google is actually a top adviser so a lawyer for Google against the government the doj the federal government is also a top adviser to KLA Harris so uh some deep concerns there about you know just that reality and what it might mean for her and her approach to antitrust cases um where she to win the presidency yeah it'll be interesting uh to see see how that comes out now before we get to that thank you to all of our premium subscribers and those who signed up during the debate stream to ask some questions that was a lot of fun so if you want to participate in future amas which are weekly and they drop exclusively for premiums on locals you can go ahead and sign up at breakingpoints docomo said let's go ahead and start with Donald Trump and his post debate reaction kind of been all over the place and what he's acquiescing to or not will he do another debate he's trying to tease it he went to familiar territory on Fox and Friends and Fox and Friends of course was trying to massage his ego a little bit around the debate but he kind of even shocked them when they were like well oh it's okay you could do a debate here on Fox right Mr President and he's like well maybe I actually don't like some of the moderators that you guys would have let's take a listen to what Trump had to say and I know that uh last night Fox News uh offered sent letters to your campaign and her campaign offering three dates of uh debates moderated by Martha and Brett uh one is October 9th in Arizona well I wouldn't want to have Marthur and Brett i' I'd love to have somebody else other than Marthur and Brett I'd love to have Frankle sha or Jesse or Laura uh you know somebody else let's give let's give other people a shot but I didn't think Marthur and Brett were good last night I thought Jesse was Jesse was fantastic last night what he said Jesse really got it Jesse said Trump won that debate that was we won that debate by a lot no I wouldn't want Martha involved Mr President I would take some others so so these are the dates that fox offered your campaign and Harris's campaign October 9th in Arizona October 15th in Georgia October 16th in North Carolina of course uh the big question is would you want the microphones on when when you're not you know when the other person is talking you want both microphones on at all times well she wanted a moment like she did with Mike Pence but I actually got that moment too I won that too because she was talking while I was speaking quite a bit actually she didn't know that people weren't listening too much or hear but I was hearing her and uh I had a little fun with that but look here's the story when two fighters fight and one loses the first thing they do is ask for a debate or they they ask for a fight so in this case a debate so we had two people they lost very badly the first thing they did is asked for a debate because that's what a when a fighter loses he says I want a rematch I want a rematch they always the losing person The Fighter the debater they always ask for a rematch I won the debate according to C-SPAN by a lot according to every single I think we had 14 polls that we sent to you everyone had me winning the debate Mr debate I I don't know I want to do another debate right so you do I right at the end as I was interrupting so you you don't know if you want to do another debate it sounds like you're a no well I'd be less inclined to because we had a great night we won the debate we had a terrible a terrible Network I think they were terrible they should be embarrassed I mean they kept correcting me and I what I said was largely right or I hope it was right but what they said was absolutely wrong the other you know what her what she said and they would they refused to correct I even complained a couple of times why aren't you correcting them look they should have corrected six or seven times she told an outright light another one is Project 2025 they know it has nothing to do with me she mentioned it all night long and they refused to correct it and everybody know I have't I have nothing to do with project 2025 I will just but I I am not inclined to do it because I won the debate by a lot but I think we let it settle in and let's see what happens all right so that was completely unedited just so you guys all get the uh entire context of that Trump is uh look I mean he's he's flailing a little bit here he's like he doesn't know if he wants to do the fox debate he's asking for these moderators who he doesn't even like the Brett Bayer and Martha mallum by the way Brett and Martha were on the postelection analysis that's what he's upset about and they were like hey I don't think that Trump you know did all that well or I don't even know if they gave opinion analysis from what I saw they were accurately pointing out that he was taking the bait or they were covering snap polling that showed that people who watched the debate generally did not think he did all that well he incling Fox news's undecided voter panel which overwhelmingly unded voter panel and Brit Hume I mean these people are not like not like liberals right so anyway he was reacting to that go I just a small Point like how humiliating and embarrassing for you not to stand up for your colleagues think about that too like I just I mean it's kind of outrageous like there he is smearing Martha McCallum and Brett Bear which whatever you think about him like these are your colleagues that you work with and you're just like sit there and take I don't know it's just it's kind of kind of low and then it's so pathetic wants the debate to be hosted by Shan Hannity or Jesse waters are you kidding me like that is an absolute absurdity so you you honestly called it right after the debate you're like I don't know if he'll do another one and you know he's certainly he doesn't know if he's going to do another one either which I think is foolish on his part Absol I think he should cuz I think it's unlikely that you would have another outcome that was so lopsided as this one was I think if you did it again you would likely have he probably would prepare better you know this time he clearly didn't take seriously fell into every single trap you know completely forgot about what message he was supposed to be delivering until like the last five minutes of the debate that's unlikely to repeat itself but um you know I think he just can't handle the risk of being humiliated again I would flip it on dla too I mean what is the likelihood that she were to rise to the occasion again it's not actually that high we've seen her do multiple repeat performances usually doesn't go all that well so if you this was her best that was this was the best you're likely to have a reversion to the me her and reversion to the mean for him which would be improved performance that's what I would I would I would demand a couple of more debates just to keep her off of her toes maybe the moderators won't be so favorable this time who knows you could try any you can inject all kinds of chaos into it you want to increase that likelihood but clearly he's feeling on the ropes he continues to tease whether he's going to do it or not here he was yesterday asking uh answering a question about the debate let's take a listen and no we're looking at it but you know when you win you don't really necessarily have to do it a second time so we'll see but we had a uh I thought we had a great debate last night thank you very much what would need to change for you to agree to a second debate would you want different rules you want a format well you know when you when you don't win it's like a fighter when a fighter has a bad fight gets knocked out or loses the fight the first thing he says is we want a rematch so we won the debate according to every poll every single pole I think that uh are we going to do a rematch I just don't know we'll think about it still do the one on NBC on September 25th you you propos that are you still committ I I would do NBC I'd do fox too I do fox too but right now we have to determine whether or not we even want to do we had a great night last night and you see by the poll numbers it was really fantastic thank you very much everybody all right so there you go we're sticking with the fighter analogy uh let's put this up there on the screen I love how he's like yeah I do NBC but I don't but I want decid that's that might be one of the most classic trumpisms of all time let's put this up there just so everybody understands the first numbers for the debate are absolutely massive revised now currently up to some 57.7 million viewers as of this morning it's actually passed 60 million according to neelen and that is just the people who watch it on terrestrial television so if you add in the what tens maybe you know probably yeah tens of millions who watched it on YouTube Twitter or anywhere else then we're talking you know somewhere almost half of the entire voting age public watched the debate uh which happened on Tuesday night that's actually a problem for Trump because more people watch the debate with kamla and Trump than watch the debate of Trump versus Biden now I think there's a lot to be said about that it's not just enthusiasm it was the level of Interest people were bored and mostly fed up with the election ahead of that debate that debate and Biden's Dropout really invigorated but not only a lot of Democrats but it made the race more interesting which is why a lot of people came to this but that's part of why Trump does need to do more debates you can't let that be the only Lasting Impression in voters Minds going into the election the obvious though for him you know there's downside risk if he were to have a similar performance and he's doing well enough in the polls he probably thinks he could just stick to his current strategy on kamla's side clearly she has the incentive she's already asked for another debate perhaps the NBC News debate but at the very least thinks the risk would be worth it of where she is currently I mean I don't think the race has fundamentally changed yet we haven't seen any polling or any of that to indicate it but anytime some 70 million people out of 150 million people who can vote are watching something it's you know it's going to have some impact I don't really know exactly what it is that said I mean I'll give the be the bear and the bull case the bull case would be Trump allegedly lost all debates according to opinion polls against Hillary Clinton obviously won that election uh Biden uh according to the polls that came out at the time won the debate against Donald Trump and he barely won that election so you know it's not like this is make or break but I wouldn't let it be the very last impression is the only thing I would say especially when things are so tight you don't want to let every you don't want want to let even a marginal you know risk like that come to affect your overall performance because what if that is the last uh impression that people have and KLA and her campaign can just run ads you know showing that all for the next couple ofth what 50 something days until the election there's too much risk out there I think for him to not do another one yeah and it could actually be maker break because if you think about the margin in 2016 and you think about the margin in 2020 in terms of the if you look at the Electoral College numbers it looks like a landslide kind of in both times but we know if you look at the number of votes that separated Hillary Clinton from Donald Trump um it was very narrowly that she lost in these key Battlegrounds say she obviously won the popular vote and then in 2020 again you know very narrow victory for Joe Biden that's just the reality of the country it's very likely to be just as close CL if not even somehow a little bit closer this time around so yeah does it like you know shift the polls by 10 points no yeah but we're talking about a race where if you move the polls permanently by half a point that could be the difference between winning all the swing States and losing all the swing States so um you know the other question in my mind is you'll recall before Joe Biden got out of the race he was just basically delusional about what the polls showed and his advisers were Shi in him from any negative data and so he was really convinced that whatever polls had him down which was like all of them that they were not real and in reality if you look at these like few cherry-picked National polls that ignored the Battleground states he was still within the margin of error or whatever so he was delusional about his standing and he was surrounded with a bunch of yes men who did not want to upset him and so Cherry Picked the data that would keep him happy um I wonder if Trump has a similar level of delusion where he may not really understand the reality of where the race is or he may you know based on his track record in 2016 20120 of outperforming the polls just assume that that's going to happen again and maybe it does but that is not a safe assumption whatsoever especially given that in the midterms they undercounted the Democratic Party Support so um you know he may be making strategic miscalculations based on a flawed understanding of uh where he his position is in this race at this point with regard to Kay Harris yeah they came out right away and were like hey let's do it again um but you know you could see them that you could see them putting forward some debate criteria that they kind of know is like a poison pill for Trump like that maybe he should accept like you know an NBC News debate with whoever whatever moderators are picked for that um Network to perform but that they feel pretty confident he's not going to pick so that they can have the illusion of strength of like look we wanted to do it and he's the one that backed out but without really having a full intention to do it again because listen from her perspective frankly I think the Strategic calculus is uh it's probably better just to to let this one ride and not take the risk of a bad debate moment closer to um election day so uh you know I think there's a lot of there's a lot of game play playing going on here of course I I can see it both ways I will say In fairness Trump has always been surrounded by siant who tell him whatever he wants to hear so it's not it's not like all that different than how things usually go you mean Laura lumer is not telling him the straight truth Sager I mean that's shocking maybe she is yeah certainly something to see her on that campaign plane well CNN's Harry Anton usually does a pretty good job of we've relied on him in the past for some good analysis he oh he generally will tell it straight I think in terms of how tied things are Trump's favorability and more so he had an interesting analysis here in terms of who who allegedly won past debates and the margins let's take a listen first debate winner margins look at that she won by a 26o margin nearly matching Trump's margin over Biden back in June when he won by 34 points very similar to Joe Biden's margin of over Donald Trump back in 20 20 of 32 points and significantly higher than the 2016 margin that Hillary Clinton had over Donald Trump in their first debate just 13 points but the bottom line here is debate Watchers and they actually leaned a little bit more Republican than the nation as a whole believe that Kam easily easily won this debate again the scientific term is she crushed former president Donald Trump take a look at the last four times we had a first debate and look at those winners did they see a rise in the polls yes Mitt Romney in 20 2012 Hillary Clinton 2016 Joe Biden 2020 and Donald Trump earlier this year they all saw rises in the polls of two points or more and given how close this race is nashley given how close it is in the swing states do not be surprised if kamla Harris jumps out to lead nationally and don't be surprised if she jumps out to a slight small lead in those key Battleground States it should still probably be a close race based upon history so he's predicting a bump there uh Nate silver was a little bit more equivocal in the analysis that I read he was like look she did everything she needed to do but we didn't see necessarily a bump come out for her from the convention true you know the convention is going to be a little bit noisy just because that was at the very same time that RFK Jr also dropped out of the race which was going to have an impact especially on the margins there's no way to know really what happened obviously this time around you can't expect you know literally something as much of a gift like that so we just don't know uh where things will stand here I just think generally when I look at the number and I see that level I mean actually think this is not necessarily a decent thing for Trump high level of Civic engagement uh in this does not it's not necessarily good it was good whenever it was against Biden because against Biden low information low engagement voters were much more Pro Trump but this time around I mean Democratic watch parties this is purely anecdotal but there were no Biden signs where I live even though all those people were going to go vote for Biden but the it's quote about Madam time or bad dictatorship bad 2024 signs the libs are full force they've got banners their windows are dressed they are ready to roll uh the fundraising numbers haven't come out yet from kamla I'm willing to bet it's an absolute monster I'm not going to say Trump isn't going to raise money as well but you know in just the disparity of the engagement right now betting on my turnout is not necessarily one that I would say would have been good for Trump even though I would say that two months ago this time around we do know those liberal voters specifically people who were very activated by Row versus Wade that high level engagement they beat the hell out of Republicans back in 2022 and there were a huge reason why they overperformed expectations so those High numbers and that high level of cific Engagement this time around I think it might actually be a bad sign for Trump right now yeah I think that's a good point uh we showed before the voter registration data which which is just like among uh typically Democratic leaning groups has shot through the roof since KL Harris was um you know since Biden was replaced with KLA Harris uh we're going to talk in the Taylor Swift blog about how she appears to have driven some voter registration as well so I'm sure Democrats very excited about that too and uh I would just say you know this debate definitely permeated the popular Consciousness like there's no doubt about it um the you know judging by the conversations that were happening at my kids soccer practices among people who are not particularly political who have never who I've never actually said any heard anything political come out with them before and they're wanting to talk about like what about that dogs and cats situation so um and that was definitely that was probably the moment that stuck the most in people's minds just because it was so absurd and outlandish and really captured you know the way that Trump was totally off the rails and also the way that Koo was able to throw him so severely off his game for you know after the first maybe 15 20 minutes of the debate where she just really took control so um you know between the massively high ratings and the fact that in the you know the aftermath all these clips are circulating they're on Tik Tok they're on Twitter they're everywhere people are chattering about it I think it was a significant event and I think it could have a significant and lasting impact and when I say significant I I mean like one point you know I I think she'll probably get a couple points like I said before I think she'll probably return to you know where she was where she was up nationally pretty clearly by a few points where she had a little bit more of a lead in the Battleground States I think we'll probably return to that which is still basically a coin flip election um but you know again just those little bit of shifts if she's able to maintain um really matter now the the one word of of caution that all sound for kamla Harris is she really we talked we talked about this her strategy was very much let me get under his skin let me remind people of who Donald Trump is and some of his worst qualities that people were sick and tired of and that's why they tossed him out in 2020 she had another job that the voters wanted to see her do which was to really fill in the blanks about who she is how she would govern what her priorities are you know what what is the day one agenda that part she really still left very empty you know it was not a major focus of um she L she talked some about policies but the major Focus was more about let me get under Trump's skin and so that New York Times Sienna poll that showed um you know a lot of Voters want to know more about her I don't know that she fully answered those questions and so while she certainly burnished her credibility in terms of being presidential being able to go toe-to-toe with him you know sort of like filling the shoes and people being able to Envision her in the role I don't think she still has answered those questions about well who are you really and who are you really going to govern as and um you know so she still has work to do to Define herself that means that there's still an opening for Trump to be able to Define her in the way that he wants to but completely failed to do at this debate um and obviously time is relatively short at this point that's a very important point there was a New York Times story where there were like some undecided voters weren't necessarily sure and they picked up exactly on what you said they were like hey look yeah you defin did better against Trump but what are you actually going to do I still don't know that much about you she's got a pretty major campaign schedule uh going into the weekend uh apparently you know now that we have after 911 Trump is also hitting it he's going to be in Tucson Harris will hold a rally in Charlotte North Carolina I think we're learning a lot about that hours later she'll F fly to Greensboro second rally in the state so two rallies in the state of North Carolina it is fascinating just to see that I would never would have thought that North Carolina could be a tipping uh point but you know no not would have necessarily thought that Arizona would be a democratic state that could go Blue in 2020 like I've said the migration data makes a very good case for North Carolina and for the exact type of residents that K could activate that have all moved probably more than 100,000 people or so on top of you got unfavorable Dynamics at the state level you got a Democratic governor so I could see that I I could see that being the case and uh clearly what they think is their path to 270 is very different than Biden but the risk is still exactly what you said especially too in the state of Pennsylvania I mean the fact is that things are just so tight and so locked there uh for 50/50 that I'm very curious where that undecided voter uh profile of who wants to learn more whether that was enough for them to eventually come out because as long as they still see her tied to Biden that's the biggest problem that she's going to have biggest problem it's perplexing to me because the um policies she initially laid out in particular are really popular and they're kind of a no-brainer you know the the price gouging stuff super popular and obviously gets it this question of prices that people are continue to be very concerned about um the housing assistance really popular getting prescription drug prices down really popular child tax credit Paid Family Leave like there's a very popular agenda there that she rolled out with some Fanfare and seems to have been kind of scared off of I mean they really have retreated into this much more like Biden feeling Let Me Cater to the center and not really say anything not really promise anything Direction which is you know classic Democrat and um is part of why you know they come so close to losing elections or do lose elections so I don't know why she has gotten I don't know why she's gotten shy about talking about that and making really like here's my top three priorities DT DH DH it wouldn't be hard thing to do it wouldn't have been a hard thing to to put that into the debate in the mix with her baiting of Donald Trump but again it feels like they've just Fallen back into this sort of like very Biden esque rut and look it might be enough Biden won Democrats did well running that way in the midterms and so maybe they're looking at that and they're like look this was a winning strategy two times in a row why would we screw with it and I guess there's something to that but um you know they certainly seem to be going more after the like Nikki Haley voter certainly than trying to further energize and further turn out young more progress passive voters and especially voters who are you know also disgusted with the the war um uh on the people of Gaza so in any case just some some risks there going forward and um we can go ahead and take a look at the uh at the polling data and where things stand hey if you like that video hit the like button or leave a comment below it really helps get the show to more people and if you'd like to get the full show add free and in your inbox every morning you can sign up at breakingpoints oncom that's right get the full show help 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