BREAKDOWN: CNN First Interview With Kamala

hey guys so the much anticipated kamla Harris um plus Tim Wall's interview on CNN happened last night so we thought we'd do a whole like streamer style breakdown and react to the entire interview um Ryan of course here with me hi Ryan good morning how you doing yeah you you can tell that they waited way too long to do an interview by the fact that like the New York Times last night had a live blog are reacting to it in real time Trump did like three interviews like during her interview and were like whatever yeah but they were with like who were they with random uh he's into this the podcast world I know he's doing an interview with Lex fredman that'll be kind of interesting and there was one that he did with this Florida reporter who asked him how are you going to vote on the Constitutional Amendment on abortion that's right yeah the abortion stuff he's going to vote against it for abortion rights I mean that that ballot initiative the pro-choice side is now going to get like 90% of the vote cuz it was already at about 60% and what it has to get 60% to pass right yeah 60 or 67 yeah yeah and so I think now with uh Trump backing it man he threw those Pro lifers right under the bus didn't he and he's saying he's going to do IVF for all as well so I guess maybe the path Ryan to Medicare for all is we'll just go body part by body part procedure by procedure and peace meal it until we've got entire coverage for you know for the entire body so anyway sure we'll get to covering all of that next week I actually want to set set up um I've been trying for breaking points to set up a abortion debate Sager and I had this debate but we're both pro-choice so it'd be nice to have two people who are actually pro-life debating you know the Trump campaign strategy and whether it's worth sacrificing the yeah like very good idea Laya Rose is then her name who's been going very forcefully on the pro-life side like this is outrageous we need to hold him to account it as lefties I feel a lot of compassion for their position because I feel like we're in the same spot with regard to issues like Gaza and Palestine so yeah in any case we'll get to the interview now but before we do uh Ryan you guys have a new story that you just broke on dropsite news but you guys should all by the way go and subscribe and support Ryan and Jeremy over there because you're doing phenomenal work so what do you got oh yeah so oh last night we P we we published this piece about Ecuador this time from from 2007 to 2017 Ecuador had a social democratic government they were called The coras Run by Raphael Korea in 2017 uh it's very complicated but it a US right-wing turn uh was it was a it was a bit of a coup bizarre situation but what we what we have and the the next four or five years were spent Prosecuting Korea uh and his allies and what we have uh uncovered through a series of uh uh text messages but that the prosecutor General en like the Attorney General Diana Salazar uh sent to a judge and also to A Member of Parliament that that we've obtained and reviewed show that she was very specifically targeting her prosecutions at the left and delaying prosecutions of the right in order to hurt the left um in election campaigns uh with you know in coordination and in constant contact uh with the US ambassador wow in Ecuador so a lot of the times the US is not carrying out the kind of old military coups that we're used to seeing from the 1970s and ' 80s though we still you know once in a while might might dip back into that Playbook but in general it's more what they call lawfare right and using the Public's hostility towards all politicians the public is fed up with corruption so then you have Social Democratic reformers coming in and the way to combat them is is just drop charges of corruption on them and then the Public's like ah they're all the same says like what was s to lul Brazil for example can't trust anybody exactly and then and then a strong man comes in instead uh it's exactly what they did with Lula threw him in jail for corruption until those were exposed by intercept Brazil Glenn Greenwald um for being politically motivated and we partnered with intercept Brazil on these on on this story as well so oh fantastic new elections coming up um at the beginning of uh next year in eador so and already this the story's you know picking up a lot of steam there uh so we'll see um so this is the sort of thing that was likely suspected both the targeting of the left but also the US involvement but you were able to actually get the goods right exactly so people could check it out like the the way last last point on this she was sending the messages using an app called kid Which is popular in Latin America which as soon as you read the message it disappears but what the guy was doing kind of a deal he he was filming as he would read her messages with a second phone and so uh we were to he got a forensic analysis to prove that like these are this is authentic wow so we have like, 1500 videos of messages that we had to like look through and then translate wow that's unbelievable you you can see the result over at dropsite news.com I'm looking forward to checking that out I'm also looking forward to checking out your next exchange with Matthew Miller or whoever's at the state department they haven't had a they haven't had a briefing in many weeks but have they really not jeez no I think probably not day you know I mean that anyway they need they need a vacation from their hypocrisy just like anybody they they can't take it either okay all right let's go ahead and get to uh comrade comma here coconut kamla and her very first inter this is it is kind of a son first interview post Biden Dropout which happened back on what July 21st so we're like you know a month and a week post Biden Dropout and we're finally getting her first interview very strategically time before the Labor Day weekend I might add um let me go ahead and pull this up and we can just uh start playing it and react Here We Go part one all right here it is president governor WS thank you so much for sitting down with me and bringing the bus bus stour is well underway here in Georgia you have less time to make your case to voters than any candidate in modern American history the voters are really eager to hear what your plans are if you are elected what would you do on day one in the white house well there are a number of things I will tell you first and foremost one of my highest priorities is to do what we can to support and strengthen the middle class um when I look at the aspirations the goals the Ambitions of the American people I think that um people are ready for a new way forward um in a way that generations of Americans have been fueled by by hope and by optimism I think sadly in the last decade um we have had in the former president someone who has really been pushing an agenda and an environment that is about diminishing um the character and the strength of who we are as Americans uh really dividing our nation and I think people are ready to turn the page on that so what would you do day one so um out of the Gat it's a very uh I mean the most obvious question what's your day one agenda very vague initial answer here Ryan how do you get blindsided by the question what do you plan to do as president it reminded me especially someone who I mean I'm sure she's wanted to be president for quite a lot of years now you know it it it reminded me a lot of T you remember Ted Kennedy's and I was just going to pull it up but we people can just Google it the Ted Kennedy's 1980 answer to a similar question like why do you want to run for president no I do not remember that Ryan but I'm sure you do Ted Kennedy himself had been he contemplated running for president in 1968 so that's this is 12 years you know after he started at least very publicly thinking he was probably thinking about running for president when he was 5 years old M right yeah you're a Kennedy you're raised 1980 he's asked this question and he he flubbed it way worse than Harris um but he's like uh the country has a lot of Natural Resources uh and uh it's it's like Ju Just people can just people can YouTube like the interview that blindsided the Ted Kennedy presidential campaign and they can watch it for themselves um at least she had an answer but I'm going to like support the middle class it feels like such a layup you could say all right the first thing I do when I get in there I'm going to send a bill to Congress that codifies Roby Wade yeah after that I'm going to send a bill that cuts taxes for the middle class and expands the child tax credit whatever right like things yeah going specific things that indicate because when we've interviewed presidential candidates I this is literally always our first question because it seems to me the you know this is the starting point and it gets at not just what are the laundry list of things that you claim what is your priority because we all know that you're not going to be able to do all of the things that you want to do so what is the like Flagship priority day one and we get you know help the middle class and by the way Trump is bad now she goes on um let me pull this back up uh Dana actually presses her like okay but like what does that actually mean and then she goes into some of the specifics that she laid out in a recent economic policy speech Let's go ahead and listen to that but you can kind of tell she's just like yeah she for whatever reason was not had not really thought of what her day one priority would actually be so now she's just reaching into the bag of policies she recently talked about day one it's going to be about one implementing my plan for what I call an opportunity economy I've already laid out a number of um proposals in that regard which include what we're going to do to bring down um the cost of everyday Goods what we're going to do to invest in America's small businesses what we're going to do to invest in families for example extending the child tax credit to $6,000 for families for the first year of their child's life to help them buy a car seat to help them buy baby clothes a crib um there's the work that we're going to do that is about investing in the American family around affordable housing a big issue in our country right now so there are a number of things on day one so I guess Ryan the um the the positive if we're looking for Silver Lining here is something you pointed out which is that um you know being an empty vessel is the negative thing in terms of if you want someone who has like these core commitments or like you're Bernie Sanders you're going to fight for Medicare for all we know all know you're going to do it or even you know Barack Obama we we knew Healthcare was going to be a major Focus for him as well um the the plus side is that this allows you an opportunity as a public to pressure her into what you want to see happen on day one and uh you made a point that I thought was interesting that there's almost like in in some ways a healthier relationship to KLA Harris because there isn't this Cult of Personality it's just like all right this she'll do and we've got an agenda that we're interested in and maybe she be willing uh especially with the addition of Tim Walls here to get some pieces of it through there right there is nobody on the on the Democratic side who thinks that they can just sit back and let kamla Harris lead them to the promised land like zero people whereas that was a an overwhelming feeling uh among Democrats when it came to Barack Obama oh yeah and then they were all let down as as a result of that KL Harris is not going to let anybody down just so it it requires exactly the public uh to be involved and push her say okay you know what you don't really have any ideas for what you're going to do on day one but we do and here's here's here's how we're going to organize and pressure you to do those things well it's also why the choice of Tim Walls ends up being really important because she can just okay just do his agenda you know like he had a plan and he did a thing and didn't just talk about it but actually was like no I'm going to figure out how to get get these things through so just just do that and that's part of why he felt so consequential I think to a lot of us when he was chosen because he didn't just come with you know as a as a person as a talented politician and a great background and class diversity and a union member and all of those things but he has a plan had an agenda and and got it through so she can just sort of grab that or she could grab the um which there's a lot of overlap here the pieces of build back better that um you know that Bernie was pushing that never got pushed through so that's the that's the hope and the aspiration is that that's the thing that's sort of floating out there in The Ether that kamla Harris who clearly doesn't really have any thoughts or plans of her own um that she can just pick up on there about you well I'm excited about this agenda too as I said the idea of uh inspiring America to what can be and I think many of these things that the vice president's proposing are are uh are things that we share in values in the child tax R is when we know that reduces childhood poverty by a third we did it in Minnesota to have a federal partner in this um unbelievable I think in the impact that we can make there's the the Tim Walls you know coming in to say hey we did this by the way here's a he's like here's an actual policy right right uh there was a lot made by the right of uh Tim Wallace being part of this interview which you know I mean on the one hand I understand because she hasn't done a solo interview on the other hand of course it is you know traditional I guess after the conventions to do a joint um interview the other thing that there's some irony to it to me because some segments of the right have thoroughly convinced themselves that Tim Walls was a horrific vice presidential pick there was all kinds of like oh he's going to have to drop out any day now meanwhile he has the most the the highest favorability rating of anyone you know of the the four presidential and vice presidential candidates by far and so they kind of flipped on a dime to from he's such a catastrophe he's going to have to drop down to he's such a tremendous asset that she can't even do an interview without having him by her side right it can't be both things but I think yeah she she made th this is a a problem of her own making it doesn't look weird to have them both together if she's also doing lots of other interviews right yeah she hasn't done an interview practically since like that Lester Holt debacle so yeah that's true that's true all right let's see where we go from here talked about you call it the opportunity uh economy you are well aware that right now many Americans are struggling there's a crisis of affordability one of your campaign themes is we're not going back but I wonder what you say to voters who do want to back when it comes to the economy specifically because their groceries were less expensive housing was more affordable When Donald Trump was President well let's start with the fact that when Joe Biden and I came in office during the height of a pandemic we saw over 10 million jobs were lost uh people I mean literally we were all tracking the numbers hundreds of people a day were dying because of covid um the economy had crashed in large part all of that because of mismanagement by Donald Trump of that crisis when we came in our highest priority was to do what we could to rescue America and today we know that we have inflation at under 3% a lot of our policies have led to the reality that America recovered faster than any wealthy Nation around the world but you are right prices in particular for groceries are still too high the American people know what I know it which is why my agenda includes what we need to do to bring down the price of groceries for example dealing with an issue like price gouging what we need to do to extend the child tax credit to help young families be able to take care of their children in their most formative years what we need to do to bring down the cost of housing my proposal includes what would be a tax credit of $25,000 for first-time home buyers so they can just have enough to put a down payment on a home which is part of the American dream and their aspiration but do it in a way that allows them them to actually get on the path to achieving that goal and that dream so you have been vice president for three and a half years the steps that you're talking about now why haven't you done them already well first of all we had to recover as an economy and we have done that I'm very proud of the work we have done that has brought inflation down to less than 3% the work that we have done to cap the cost of insulin at $35 a month for seniors Donald Trump said he was going to do a number of things including allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices never happened we did it so now and I as I travel in the state of Georgia and around our country the number of seniors that have benefited I've met I was in Nevada recently a a a grandmother who showed me her receipts and before we kep the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month she was playing hundreds of dollars up to thousands of dollars a month for her insulin she's not doing that anym maintain bics so um that part where you know what the answer to what do you say to people who actually are like no actually I do want to go back to the economy under Donald Trump the answer she gave there could have subbed in nicely for the day one answer this one she was clearly she was prepared for right she had gone over whatever they wanted to say here and I thought she handled that quite well and the same respect it shows you you know she's not like like I said that answer could have been great for the day one and answer she's not Nimble enough on her feet to if it wasn't specifically in the briefing book for the answer to that question she's not able to like pull it over in real time to insert it into the day one question right yeah that that was a right exactly so if she's if she has prepared for an answer she can deliver a good answer and I thought she delivered that one quite well right yes and she had she's had some debate moments where she clearly had like prepped like I was the kid on that bus or whatever and she hit those marks quite well so she can do that and that is you know prosecutors are probably that's what you're trained to do like all right here here are the here's the evidence we've got against this defendant here's how we're going to lay it lay it out and you deliver it well thinking on our feet and which requires you to have some some ideas you know about exactly what you're going to do is that's her challenge because she she's kind of reaching for things that's a great point because it's one thing to to memorize the bullet points that someone else has given you it makes it much easier in these situations to be extemporaneous if you yourself have an agenda a plan in mind core values things you want to articulate and um you know I think that's that's always been the challenge for her the first debate back in 2020 when she did the whole that little girl was me thing I mean now it's like curdled into being rather cringe and they immediately started selling like mugs and t-shirts that kind of forced it to become immediately cringe she was fantastic in that debate and not just in that moment which did land at the time but throughout the debate I thought she was the the best performer on stage but part of why is because she was fairly low in the polls going into that and she wasn't taking a lot of incoming so she was able to pick her spots based on where she was prepared and she was able to occupy more of that sort of prosecutorial position of I'm going to challenge you with these things that I've already prepared and already thought through and that's when she's at that's certainly when she's at her strongest and when she feels her greatest Comfort or you know the lot was made of the way she was in some of the Senate confirmation hearings with uh what was it BR Kavanaugh where she uh where people really liked how she performed a similar deal right there you you prepare your sta you and your staff you prepare you know what your line of questioning is and you can go in so um but in any case that the one other thing I wanted to note about this this answer before we keep playing it is she has a lot she she's been unburdened in a lot of ways by the fact that people are unhappy with the Biden economic Legacy they don't blame her for it it's amazing actually she is now basically tying in some in some instances exceeding Donald Trump in terms of who would be best on the economy and I think part of the reason for that is number one I think just the fact that she's younger and so there's more confidence she could actually do some stuff or at least communicate some stuff um number two she genuinely was sidelined in the Biden Administration so people aren't wrong to be like this lady had nothing to do with any of this I I think that's actually kind of accurate and um number three she's able to more comfortably make the commentary she just did which is like listen things were challenging we did great work we got a lot done but we know people are in pain and there's a lot more that needs to be done that piece of being able to really empath empathize with people and where they are right now and especially the concerns over pricing is something that she is more free to do than Joe Biden was and of course Joe Biden was not able really effectively to communicate about anything um at this point outside of like NATO and Aus oh and and one quick thing on that um and our Trump supporting viewers and we love our Trump supporting viewers people are going to pick up on her $35 insulin thing there there's there's become a meme that actually Trump did that and just the the basic facts of this are Trump in mid 2020 did an executive order that that basically encouraged uh pharmaceutical companies or who were dealing with medic care to to lower it down to $35 a month it did lower prices for you know at least probably some millions of seniors on Medicare good for Trump for doing that executive order two thumbs up for him Biden did it through the inflation reduction act and made it mandatory for everybody not just not just some seniors who voluntarily got a benefit from it so that's the difference between what they're talking about here do you want to assign her any pinocchios or or anything like that the way she said it there accurate was actually to was totally accurate yeah and um I just saw some polling I can't I think it was a like Progressive pollster but who pulled all of the her agenda items and uh lowering the cost of prescription drugs and specifically insulin was like the number one most popular thing so no surprise that they deserve credit for that they took on big Pharma like they legitimately did that's right so no surprise that she that she emphasizes that here it's a success I maintain that when we do the work of bringing down prescription medication for the American people including capping the cost of the annual cost of prescription medication for sing at $2,000 when we do what we did in the first year of being in office to extend the child tax credit so that we cut child poverty in America by over 50% when we do what we have done to invest in the American people in bringing manufacturing back to the United States so that we created over 800,000 new manufacturing jobs bringing business back to America what we have done to improve the supply chain so we're not relying on foreign governments to supply American families with their basic needs I'll say that that's good work there's more to do but that's good work I so Ryan um before we go to the next question any thoughts on that piece she got asked about like well did you do you think the bionomics was good because uh you know bomic has become sort of a toxic brand just because of how unpopular frankly Joe Biden himself is yeah they roll through that stuff again like that that's all great stuff now the flip side of having cut child poverty in half is that when they let it expire they doubled child poverty again so you know no credit for that but yes that that that agenda that was enacted in 2021 and into 202 to that was a old school European social welfare state that I think the country would love to see you know brought back permanently yeah and if you look at the approval rating actually um of Joe Biden he was at his most popular when he was doing that you know Social Democratic welfare state type of legislation when people had were benefiting from you know Co supports of a a wide variety including the child tax credit and it's both when you know a lot of the story of the Biden Administration is those things being cut piece by piece by piece you couple that with inflation and then another pivot point unfortunately in the bid Administration was when he did the right thing with Drew from Afghanistan his approval rating takes a massive hit because of the you know overwhelming media Onslaught and punish punishment of him for doing what the American people have asked him asked presidents to do now for years at this point um and then you know his Decline and inability to really defend himself or articulate what he's up to or what the agenda is or why people should believe in it and you lead to you know the uh abysmal approval rating abysmal assessment of biomics Etc that we that we see today y get some clarity on where you stand on some key policy issues uh energy is a big one when you were in Congress you supported the green New Deal and in 2019 you said quote there is no question I'm in favor of banning fracking fracking as you know is a pretty big issue particularly in your must-win state of Pennsylvania do you still to ban fracking no and I made that clear on the debate stage in 2020 that I would not ban fracking as vice president I did not ban fracking as president I will not ban fracking in 2019 I believe uh in a town hall you said you were asked would you commit to implementing a federal ban on fracking on your first day in office and you said there's no question I'm in favor of banning fracking so yes so it changed in the in that campaign in 2020 I me very clear where I stand we are in 2024 and I've not changed that position nor will I going forward I kept my word and I will keep my word what made you change that position at the time well let's be clear my values have not changed I believe it is very important that we take seriously what we must do to guard against what is a clear crisis in terms of the climate and to do that we can do what we have accomplished thus far the inflation reduction act what we have done to invest by my calculation over 10 probably a trillion dollars over the next 10 years investing in a clean energy economy what we've already done creating over 300,000 new clean energy jobs that tells me from my experience as Vice President we can do it without Banning fracking in fact Dana Dana excuse me um I cast the tiebreaking vote that actually increased leases for fracking as vice president so I'm very clear about where I stand and was there some policy uh or scientific data that you saw that you said oh okay I get it now what I have seen is that we can we can grow and we can increase a thriving clean energy economy without Banning tracking okay so there you go that's part one um there's three parts here that we want to get through but um what' you make of that fracking exchange Ry it's pretty slippery it's pretty slippery it's just T It's just tough because the honest answer is I was pandering to the sunrise movement and the youth vote trying to win the Democratic nomination for president at in a period where the left was ascendant I failed at that and now I'm doing a different political thing right so the I think if you're not going to be honest about it like the best approach would be I get you know if you had to clearly they Workshop like all right how do we answer this and not sound like complete frauds to say okay look at the time I thought you needed to ban fracking in order to confront climate change but now I think you can actually confront climate change without Banning fragen now that's a lie it's not blah blah blah blah blah but like I guess that's the best you can come up with I don't know how would how if you were KLA Harris without saying I was lying by because I was pandering to youth voters like how would you I mean I guess you could frame pandering in a positive light of like I'm responding to what voters what voters want right and at the time voters were saying we want you to B fry sorry the dog is in here now she's moving everything um but uh you know so you could frame pandering as like being responsive to the will of Voters but no I think that saying my values are the same but you know I new information I realize that we can now do this without Banning bracking I think probably is the best that you can do and I mean it's fair to say that my value is that I would like to win the election right and that hasn't changed true true um I mean I think she could fairly claim that like you know technological developments are changing once possible blah blah blah but the part that to me came off as the most weasly is when she said something like you know on 20 in 2020 I stood on the stage and said I would not ban fracking or something like that and Dana immediately is like yeah but 3 minutes before that you were saying the polar opposite which is kind of the point here so there's no real wiggling out of this and she comes back cuz this is not the only position that she's changed obviously she ran as Bernie in 2019 yeah for a while and then also you know she starts off supporting Medicare for all because she thinks that's the thing then she gets donor push back then she moved off of that even at the time Soh um so in any case yeah I think right her argument was I flip-flopped on this four years ago right yeah I long flip-flopped on I moved on this a long time ago why you still bugging me about it um now I think one other thing that I'll say is there is a lot of Justified criticism of KLA Harris just very clearly shifting her positions depending on what she thinks is advantageous we were talking about Trump earlier on abortion like he does the same thing even perhaps even more shamelessly because he is there a position on abortion that he hasn't held at this point right not yet you know from Planned Parenthood supporter to saying that he's so pro-life that women should be P criminally punished if they have an abortion to now being you know kind of coming back to the pro-choice side of things like he literally shape shifts even sometimes within the same conversation but he's just much more difficult to kind of pin down on those things so people people don't this isn't the line of attack that they take against Trump that he's a flip-flopper for whatever reason I'm not really sure why that is but they don't think that they would be able to really nail him with that charge right right yeah nobody thinks he has convictions true yeah so they're not supporters yeah yeah true um all right let me pull up part two here here we go okay oh by the way I just want to mention I have this on 1.25 speed just to not you know make people think that I'm manipulating the video or whatever just to get through it a little bit quicker as vice president you were tasked with addressing the root causes of migration uh in southern countries and northern part of Central America the northern part of of of Central America that deals with that affects the southern border of the US during the Biden Harris Administration there were record numbers of illegal border crossings why did the Biden Harris Administration wait three and a half years to implement sweeping Asylum restrictions well first of all uh the root causes work that I did as vice president that I was asked to do by the president has actually resulted in a number of benefits including historic Investments by American businesses in that region um the number of uh immigrants coming from that region has actually reduced um since we began that work but I will say this that Joe Biden and I in our Administration worked with members of the United States Congress on an immigration uh issue that is very significant to the American people and our security which is the border and through bipartisan work including some of the most conservative members of the United States Congress a bill was crafted which we supported which I support and Donald Trump got word of this bill that would contributed to securing our border and because he believes that it would not have helped him politically he told his folks in Congress Don't Put It Forward he killed a bill a border security bill that would have put 1500 more agents On the Border let me tell you something the border patrol endorsed the bill and I'm sure and I'm sure in large part because they knew they're working around the clock and 1500 more agents would help them that bill would have allowed us to increase seizures of fentanyl ask any community in America that has been devastated by fentanyl what passing that bill would have done to address their concern and pain that they've experienced so you would push that legislation again I just want not only push it I will will make sure that it comes to my desk and I would sign it just one other question about uh something that you said in 2019 um I don't know if I've talked to you Ryan about this whole Democrats think they were so clever with this whole we're going to adopt the Trump border agenda and then you know try to get Republicans to pass it and then do this gotcha aha see we did a Jiu-Jitsu move and actually we're the real border Hawks and we're the ones that really want to do the fascism On the Border um I think that this is both immoral uh and the wrong policy but I also think and it's the critical part is it decoupled what has long been the path of having comprehensive immigration reform path to citizenship and the um you know the Border sort of Crackdown measures and they just took out the Border Crackdown measures and just try to pass that they thought this was a brilliant Jiu-Jitsu move meanwhile I'm sure you saw this Paul Sager and I talked about it on the show because Democrats have accepted the Republican framing on immigration and also because of the reality of high border number of Border crosses and you know migrants being bust into blue cities Etc um higher immigration has never been more unpopular and decreasing immigration has never been more popular so basically under Trump actually immigrants were more popular than ever before and now under Biden they are you know at at a low in terms of support for increasing levels of migration I really owe it to this political philosophy which I think is utterly foolish outside of you know again I think immoral wrong in terms of what would actually be good for the country Etc and we already have multiple experiments of this being tried in Europe all the center left European parties when there was a migration surge over the last 10 10 years in Europe uh swung far right to try to say that they were just as tough on immigrants as the right-wing but they were going to be more Humane you know and and liberal and reasonable about it and they all were obliterated like there's basically no Center left left that's right in Europe or you can think about the clip the of I guess we didn't play the Trump clip but the of trump talking about abortion rights with this Florida reporter so now he's pro-choice he's going to vote against the Constitutional Amendment um you know he's going to he's he's going to vote for basically you know allowing abortion um in Florida all the way up to like like yeah it's like it's basically codifying Row in Florida effectively so first of all does anybody believe as a result of trump saying that that Republicans are good on abortion rights like nobody believes that yeah and you're literally the guy who put these justices on the bench so in the same way does anybody believe that Democrats are the ones like if you really want somebody who's going to crack down on the border who's it going to be Democrats Republicans coming of course but what will Trump's capitulation on abortion rights do to the polling there'll be some Trump supporters who are like you know what like you said that that Florida Amendment now will probably pass in like massively like with bigger numbers than it would have otherwise so in this and and you see the flip side on immigration the numbers moving people are like all right well if Democrats are for this and Republicans are for this let's do it if you but you know in your debate with Saga you guys talked about how there's a correlation between you know illegal Crossings and people's you know anger at abortion I at immigration and and the desire to reduce those those Crossings so what you could do is actually do what K was talking about is a causes it's true that in Honduras Guatemala um and El Salvador uh where you know she was tasked with like red reducing outflow there has been a reduction in outflow that doesn't have a lot to do with what the US did a lot of buelli uh and Honduras you had a Social Democratic um and shamur Castro come in who made things a little bit better uh so but a lot of the uh migrants are coming from Haiti uh vene Venezuela and Cuba and they're all coming as a result of us policies so we could like if Democrats actually want to do something about it rather than trying to act like Republicans they could actually just stop sanctioning Venezuela stop messing with and destroying Haiti and stop sanctioning and destroying Cuba and boom like something some massive portion of the migration flow into to the Border just stops cold like people would prefer to stay where they are yes we're not that's right we we flatter ourselves thinking the whole world want to come here that's not right like if you live in Venezuela or Cuba you want to stay there um the other thing is we are in a different place economically than we were like when Trump was first running in 2016 and if you take him seriously about literally deporting all 12 15 million however many undocumented immigrants that we have here the the level of economic catastrophe that would be is basically unfathomable I mean we have a low unemployment rate now the the wages aren't high enough there's a lot of problems in the labor market but it's actually not a high unemployment rate there isn't a massive you know unemployed group of laborers out there waiting to you know pick the strawberries in the field or lay the roofing in the constru or help build the houses that we desperately need to build in this country teaching that's exactly right I if you just look at the that instead the most Salient issue that people tell us over and over again is their biggest economic concern is prices if if you genuinely kicked out of the country all 15 million of those workers or whatever the number is the the amount that the prices of all of your grocery items and of every new house the amount that would Skyrocket is literally insane not to mention you know the massive cost to the state of and what an incredible imposition you know talk about the Deep State or the police state or whatever like it's unfathomable how you would have to crack down and surveil and militarize this response to round all of these people up many of whom have been here for many years Etc like if you actually take it at face value from an economic perspective it's utterly insane um but you know again no one is making that argument no one so of course the public is like oh well the Democrats and the Republicans agree so I guess they're right I guess we just need to do this border of Crackdown and that's that and these immigrants are just net net bad in every single way which of course is not the reality of you know the the Immigrant population both legal and uh illegal that we have in this country at this point yeah all right let's see what we got next when you first ran there was a debate you raised your hand when asked whether or not uh the Border should be decriminalized do you still believe that I believe there should be consequence we have laws that have to be followed and enforced that address and deal with people who cross our border illegally and there should be consequence and let's be clear in this race I'm the only person who had prosecuted transnational criminal organizations who trafficking guns drugs and human beings I'm the only person in this race who actually served a border state as attorney general to enforce our laws and I would enforce our laws as president going forward I recognize the problem generally speaking how should voters look at some of the changes that you've made uh that you've explained some of here uh in your policy is it because you have more experience now and you've learned more about the information is it because you were running for president in a Democratic primary and should they feel comfortable and confident that what you're saying now is going to be your policy moving forward Dan I think the the the most important and most significant aspect of my policy perspective and decisions is my values have not changed you mentioned the green New Deal I have always believed and Ive worked on it that the climate crisis is real that it is an urgent matter to which we should apply metrics that include holding ourselves to deadlines around time we did that with the inflation reduction Act we have set goals for the United States of America and by extension the globe around when we should meet certain standards for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions as an example that value has not changed my value around what we need to do to secure our border that value has not changed I spent two terms as the Attorney General of California Prosecuting transnational criminal organizations violations of American laws regarding the passage illegal passage of guns drugs and human beings across our border my values have not changed so that is the reality of it in four years of being vice president I'll tell you one of the the the aspects to your point is traveling the country extensively I mean I'm here in Georgia I think somebody told me 17 times since I've been vice president in Georgia alone I believe it is important to build consensus and it is important to to to find a common place of understanding of where we can actually solve problems on that note uh any any Reflections on that part first of all her her favorite phraseology at this point is transnational criminal gangs she tries to say that as much as she possibly can yeah it um it's a same problem that she has with all of the other you know uh left-wing positions that she took in 2019 2020 yeah it's the same like how do say like it's I'm just I was pandering then I'm pandering like it's there's no good answer you just flip fled trying to elections yeah you just got to stick to the script and hope that the questioner moves on ultimately you had a lot of Republican speakers at the convention will you appoint a republican to your cabinet yes I would yes would no no one in particular in mine I got it we got 68 days to go with this election so I'm not putting the cart before the horse but I would I think I think it's really important I I have spent my career inviting diversity of opinion I think it's important to have people at the table when some of the most important decisions are being made that have different views different experiences and I think um it would be to the benefit of the American public to have a member of my cabinet who was a republican what did you think of that um Ryan because there was a lot of online com commentary on the left about this comment everyone immediately is like wait a minute you can have a republican in your cabinet uh but you can't even have a Palestinian give a two-minute vetted speech on stage at the DNC where they're supporting you so that I think that part punched a lot of people in the face but in general like you know Obama had Ray Le Hood as his Transportation secretary this like moderate uh Republican and you know he did fine as a transportation secretary it's like yeah you can you can find a republican who's going to there's all also now like so many cabinet positions they've elevated a whole bunch of things to quote quote unquote cabinet level positions that you can you can harmlessly toss one of those to a republican if it um you know if if you think there's some political benefit and you're going to win over the bill crystals and other never Trump Republicans yeah yeah I mean I do think like even though we may discount it there are a lot of like you know moderate Suburban formerly Republican whatever who see hear this and like oh she's you know the part you hear from Norm yeah yeah exactly right yeah I mean I sort of felt the same I felt all of those emotions because the point about like oh you know all they ever do is reach out to Republicans and punch the left right and um and for the beginning of the Harris campaign which is now all of like a month old um you didn't see a lot of that I mean the choice of Tim Walls was the most dramatic break from that pattern I just assumed like oh progressives want this guy the left wants this guy there's no way it's going to be Tim Walls and then that come as as a major shock at the convention and in this interview you get the sense that those old Democratic party patterns are taking hold and it's almost like you know there's the classic political theory of like oh in the primary they you know they dance this way and then the general election they they go back the other way the like primary general election two-step and I guess that's happening here is just in a very condensed timeline since there wasn't you know really a there wasn't a primary at all and so she went from two weeks of being relatively benevolent towards the left to now doing the normal Democratic like general election you know I'm going to get a republican in my cabinet thing I will say some people online were floating like hey why don't you pick like Susan Collins for example or like another Republican senator in a state with a you know that a Democrat could win or that has a Democratic governor that appoints the the senator etc etc so I don't on its face I don't hate having the the idea of having a moderate Republican in especially if it kind of gives you cover to do something that's meaningless as a gesture to the right but then have an agenda that's actually like populist in the way that the agenda she has announced is populist and does represent you know some of the better parts of the uh of the Biden Administration yeah I want to ask you about your opponent Donald Trump um I was a little bit surprised people might be surprised to hear that you have never interacted with him met him face to face that's going to change soon but what I want to ask you have you met Trump face to face Ryan been in rooms but not no not really like I actually this was surpris I didn't know she'd never met him I actually back okay the White House correspondence dinner after the one where Obama humiliated him I was doing like a red carpet interview thing for MSNBC and him and Melania came and this was back when he was teasing that he might run but it hadn't actually and no one was taking him seriously right everyone was like okay yeah whatever this is just a a stunt to um help you with your Apprentice brand which may have been True by the way anyway um so yeah I asked him the question I would asked like hey what happened with those private investigators down in Hawaii that you were sending to look at Obama's birth certificate and he was like that was that's the wrong question crystal that's the wrong question yeah I was at that dinner too my table was actually really close to his I was just watching him the whole time and his face was just boiling yeah yeah so anyway uh funny that she's never met him face to face about is what he said last month he suggested that you happened to black recently for political purposes questioning a core partk of your identity yeah any same old tired Playbook next question please that's it that's it okay um let's great answer best part of the interview in my in my opinion like learned a lot from the failures of the Hillary Clinton campaign this is exactly and and so different from how Democrats have handled Trump the entire time which would any other moment this would have launch into some long moralizing tiate about it and this would have been a multi-week news cycle and instead because of the way she handled it at the time which was also very dismissive like this everybody just moved on and it didn't work it didn't work yeah makes them look weird and like a loser yeah exactly and they're just like okay whatever moving on um yeah this is this is exactly and uh just an overall note Dan I think at one point will get to it ask her specifically about her identity but but very different from the Hillary Clinton campaign she really does have the the the sense of like you look people can see I'm a black woman like I don't need to talk about it you know the trailblazing status that's obvious and it's not what people care about and sort of narcissistic to always con constantly be leaning into like what this means for me personally on my journey of self-discovery and uh you know and ambition so I think they've been very that's been one of the smarter aspects of this campaign yeah let's talk about some foreign policy uh issues that would be on your plate if you become commander-in-chief uh President Biden has tried unsuccessfully uh to end the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza he's been doing it for months and months along with you would you do anything differently for example would you withhold some Us weapons shipments to Israel that's what a lot of people on the Progressive left want you to do let me be very clear I'm unequivocal and and unwavering in my commitment to Israel's defense and its ability to defend itself and that's not going to change but let's take a step back October 7,00 people are massacred many young people who were simply attending a music festival women were horribly raped as I said then I say today Israel had a right has a right to defend itself we would and how it does so matters far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed and we've got to get a deal done we we were in Doha we have to get a deal done this war must end and we must get a deal that is about getting the hostages out I've met with the families of the American hostages let's get the hostages out let's get the ceasefire done but no change in policy in terms of arms and and so forth no we have to get a deal done D Dana we have to get a deal done when you look at the significance of this to the families to the people who are living in that region um it a deal is not only the right thing to to end this war but will unlock so much of what must happen next I remain committed since I've been on October 8th to what we must do to work toward a two-state solution where Israel is secure and in equal measure the pal Palestinians have security and self-determination and and dignity your thoughts Ryan well Dana said some weapons I maybe Harris didn't even pick up on that yeah she didn't say like completely weap you know some weapons the Biden Administration has even said that they would restrict some weapons like the 2,000lb bombs used for offensive purposes uh seems like Harris people keep saying that Harris is better rhetorically and you know more you know more empathetic where's where's the empathy there like when when you're actually not even standing by the tiniest of concessions that the Biden Administration her Administration um has has made seems like she you know she very clearly wants to just you say she unequivocally unconditionally whatever supports you know Israel's right to Def defend itself with whereas even Biden would say well that maybe the 2,000lb bombs dropped on refugee camps we're not going to we're not going to allow that or at least we won't allow it for like a two we pause period well that's that's such a great point that she could have really leaned into I mean it's kind of because they ultimately released those weapons whatever right and have given Israel ultimately every Israel could possibly want and more but it is enough of a fig Leaf to allow her to create some sense of Separation at least from the Biden Administration by leaning into that listen we did this with the Biden you know with Joe Biden we said this is unacceptable and we did withhold and I would do I would I keep that option on the table you know so there was a way to say this with you know there's such concern on this one issue there's such concern about a clear break with the Biden policy there's no concern on that and on literally any other issue but she clearly feels like or you know also maybe just ideologically believes or feels that that's less likely because I don't think she has ideological beliefs but she feels this is where the pressure is is she needs to prove how committed to Israel she is and she doesn't feel as much pressure from the left for whatever reason whatever political calculus she's doing which by the way I think is foolish when you look just look at the polls um but yeah on this one issue she feels like oh I have to just stay lock step with the Biden Administration not show any sort of you know distance and I think that's kind of I think that's an excuse like I think that's I see people making that excuse for I think that's kind of a excuse and when Dana Bash says that this is what the progressive left wants you to do it's true that the progressive left wants you to do that but so does more than 60% of the country yes that's right that's exactly right approval for Biden's Israel policy is in the 20s it's like it's a he's less popular on his Israel policy than he is on his appr to inflation and immigration that's right that's exactly breaking with him would be a political benefit and then she leans in uh to this the mass rape claim uh because she understands that there's absolutely no consequences you know for for saying that despite the fact that there is not yet evidence of that being the case in fact Israel is so desperate to produce some evidence I don't know if you saw this last week did yeah uh this this fa this Facebook group produced a letter that we now have confirmed is a complete hoax making up making up like the most horrific things and you know it spent a week getting shared by prominent journalists um and then the admission that it was actually a hoax was just you know quietly gets buried yeah yeah and and meanwhile on the contrary we have seen on camera IDF soldiers gang raping a Palestinian prisoner right and that doz dozens of cases like confirmed by human rights organizm yeah so and so we have lots of documented evidence of systematized sexual assault of Palestinians who are being held in this you know prison concentration camp um so bad that even the Israelis felt like oh we got to at least pretend like we might might prosecute some of these guys and then come under massive you know pressure and huge backlash from their own citizenry but um yeah that that somehow gets mentioned so I I I had a question for you specifically because you've done so much work reporting on the political incentives and shaping of you know the Israel Palestine um conflict in this war specifically My Hope for kamla Harris was kind of the hope of like this is just a political Cipher like she doesn't believe anything Biden is an ideological Zionist you are not moving him off that position period end of story My Hope was that she would look at the polling that you mentioned like hey you know this isn't is the progressive left a clear majority of the country including a very clear majority of Independence Republicans are the only one opposed to this and they're they're not even they're not voting for you anyway so don't worry about them they want a ceasefire but they they want to see weapons they don't want their taxpayers dollars going to drop bombs and children who are in tents in refugee camps they don't want that and there's been a lot of pulling at this point about how just pure cynical electoral calculus you stand more you have more more to gain from taking the position of the quote unquote Progressive left than continuing to do this whole Israel has a right to defend themselves no matter what and yes they can do a genocide and yes they can drop the bombs on the the babies in the tents and have a polio epidemic and whatever endlessly and I'll never do anything about it that was my hope but it doesn't seem like she's making that calculus it seems like she feels the pressure she feels is the pressure that Democrats and Republicans but Democrats in particular have felt from time immemorial that they can't piss off you know the the Israel Lobby or you know the people for whom this is a uh dieh hard commitment to the end of time yeah I think part of it is that in ingrained fear of Decades of of that commitment um to to the pro-israel lobby and then I think also my guess is that the campaign is nervous about what's going to happen on college campuses between now and the election uh and they think that she not help things these kind of comments no right that that's an interesting point yes she she will make things worse like the way to end these campus protests is to get a ceasefire deal and just force it like isra government already put forward a proposal that Hamas accepted just implement it just do that like you could do that you're the you're the United States of America most powerful Empire in world history not doing that is going to inflame campus protest for the next two months and I think that they don't want to be at all associated with those campus protests not to mention um the longer this goes on the more likely you are to have a larger Regional war that means that not only are you going to be hobbled politically in terms of getting yourself elected right now but your whole presidency is going to be hamstrung by being you know tied once again into an unpopular war in the Middle East and whatever you know thoughts you may potentially theoretically have about a child tax credit Etc like all of that is going to be undercut if you are boxed in in the way that BB wants to box you first he wants you to lose okay he's doing his best to make sure that that happens and if by some you know chance you were able to win in spite of his efforts um he wants to box you in so you have no exit and it's you know dramatically politically unpopular for you to leave at that point so yep um yeah I mean they're they have fallen into his traps every step of the way and I didn't expect her to have any like moral qualms I thought it would all be ambition driven but she seems to be engaging in the same like outdated foolish political calculus that leads her into the same you know foolish be hug position of Joe Biden and that is deeply deeply disappointing yep all right got the part three here last piece let me go ahead and pull this up here we go country is just starting to get to know you I want to ask uh you a question about how you've described your service in the National Guard you said that you carried weapons in War but you have never deployed actually in a war zone cign official said that you misspoke did you well first of all I'm incredibly proud I've done 24 years of wearing uniform of this country equally proud of my service in a public school classroom whether it's Congress or or the governor uh my record speaks for itself but I think uh people are coming to get to know me I I speak like they do um I speak candidly I wear my emotions on my sleeves and uh I speak especially passionately about uh about our children being shot in schools and around around guns so uh I think people know me they know who I am they know where uh where my heart is and again my record has been out there for over 40 years to to be itself so and the the idea that you said that you were in war did you miss speak as the campaign has said yeah I said we were talking about in this case this was after school shooting the ideas of carrying these weapons of war and uh my wife the English told my grammar is not always correct but again if it's not this it's an attack on my children for showing love for me or it's an attack on my dog uh I'm not going to do that and the one thing I'll never do is I'll never demean another member's service in any way I never have uh and I never will what you think Ryan he he forgot in the first answer to contextualize it and Dana kind of like helps him out in with the with the follow-up answer his his quote where he said he carried weapons in War was in this Congressional debate about an assault weapon ban in the wake of a school shooting so he was indeed talking about weapons of war the way he said it was quite misleading he said I've carried weapons in War but but he should have he should have contextualized what the debate was first I also think he should just let people know what the argument is about because so many people are not following it he deployed as part of operation enduring freedom to Europe like where turkey or I think it was Italy Italy um so he deployed as part of O and it is understandable he could say it's understandable that people who are not in the military hear me say that I deployed as part of O think that the deployment was either in Afghanistan or Iraq but it was not and people who are in the military understand that there are lots of kinds of deployments that do not involve you know seeing combat or being in a war zone so I don't know what did you what did you make of it so I think um I agree more with your first point than your second point I think probably the the best way to respond to this is to um immediately shift from you know clearly he misspoke whether it was intentionally misleading or you know or just a true slip of the tongue hard to say people aren't likely to you know trust politicians at their word with this stuff but to me medely shift the frame to well let's talk about what I was talking about though because you know I was talking about our kids having to go to school and do lockdown drills which our kids are all you know back in school mine have already done their lockdown drills drills they should those drills are not helpful and my you know my seven-year-old is coming home and asking me questions about it and you know sort of freaked out like it's it's a horri it's it is a horrible State of Affairs that this is the reality in America and as a public school teacher no one would be better positioned to to really speak to that horror and immediately shift the frame so I I think it would be fine for him to just be like yeah I slip of the time I misspoke but let me tell you what the real issue is here and then move on because the minute you get in the Weeds about like well my rank was technically this but then I didn't fill out the paperwork and then it's that and then yes it was Operation then you're playing into their you know what they want you to be talking about um the other thing that I would say is you when he immediately goes you know if it wasn't this it'd be my kid being you know expressing love it'd be the attacking my dog I don't know if you guys saw this but there was this whole like online conspiracy about how he was lying about it it was insane it was so ridiculous and the right has given him that out right because they have been they do have Tim Walls derangement syndrome and they have attacked him for some of the most ridiculous things so if this you know attack on him quote unquote misrepresenting his military service if this was going to stick they need needed to stay in this Lane rather than now trying to dig up like the most absurd minor there was that story about oh he said he got an award from the Chamber of Commerce but actually it was the junior Chamber of Commerce gotcha so they kind of you know back themselves into a corner by having Tim Wall's derangement syndrome and attacking him for his kid and his dog and getting whether it was the Chamber of Commerce or the junior Chamber of Commerce wrong or having a rally sign that was like you know didn't have all the context of his service and operation enduring Freedom or whatever yeah yeah I think that's right just one other question because again this is all new this was not ever many days ago this was not either of your bingo cards Especially Yours um you had to clarify uh that you had said that you and your wife used IVF but it turned out you used a different kind of fertility in order to have children and then when you ran for congress in 2006 your campaign repeatedly made false statements about a 1995 arrest for drunk and reckless driving what do you say to voters who aren't sure whether they can take you at your word well I've been very public I think they can see uh my students come out uh former folks I've served with and and they do they voucher me I certainly own my mistakes when I make them the one thing I'll tell you is of um I wish in this country wouldn't have to do this I spoke about our infertility issues because it's hell and families know this and I I spoke about the treatments that were available to us that that had those beautiful children there U that's quite a contrast in folks that are trying to uh to take those rights away from us and so uh I uh I think people know who I am they know that record they've seen that I've taught thousands of students I've been out there and um I I won't apologize for peing passionately whether it's guns in schools or protecting of Reproductive Rights uh the contrast could not be clear between what we're running against the vice president's position on this has been clear and um I think most Americans get it if you've been through that um I don't think they're cutting hairs on IVF or IUI I think they're cutting hairs on as an abortion ban and the ability to be able to deny families the chance to have a beautiful child see that I think is handled as well as you can say you know I I own my mistake but you know here's here's the point let me take it back to the political issue cuz he got correct me on I I I don't know quite the details they got some fertility treatment but it wasn't IVF it wasn't technically IVF yeah so in any case um which again like I think if I think his point the the the like depth of the pain and and anxiety associated with it is equivalent probably is what he's saying and I think that's fair exactly and and like I said just you know shifting it from him and what he said to the issue itself which is clearly a strong one for Democrats as evidenced by Donald Trump himself sort of freaking out about it um I think it's probably the the best way that you that you talk about that vice president Harris you were a very strong I also just wanted to mention I don't know if you notice kamla's face like looking at him while he's speaking but she loves this guy like she clearly has a lot of affection for him that's very clear it's like a proud mom looking at him while he's talking La defender of President Biden's capacity to serve another four years right after the debate you insisted that President Biden is extraordinarily strong given where we are now do you have any regrets about what you told the American people no not at all not at all I have um served with President Biden um for almost four years now and I'll tell you it's one of the greatest honors of my career truly um he cares so deeply about the American people he is so smart and um and loyal to the American people and I have spent hours upon hours with him be it in the Oval Office or The Situation Room he has the intelligence the commitment and the Judgment um and disposition that I think the American people rightly deserve in their president by contrast to the former president has none of that and so um one I I I am so proud to have served as vice president to Joe Biden and two I'm so proud to be running with Tim Walls for president the United States and to bring America what I believe the American people deserve which is a new way forward and turn the page on the last decade of what I believe has been um contrary to where the spirit of our country really lies the last so she pivots there from you know do you love Joe Biden yes I love Joe Biden too but let's talk about Donald Trump you know let's let me let me get off this whole Joe Biden situation as quick as I can and talk about this guy that we're going up against now it's how the whole country feels so it's kind of an easy one that's what she's betting on too is uh you know I it's kind of one of her strengths has been the not going back frame of The Campaign which I think a lot of people do relate to of like even though she's the sitting vice president she feels like turning a page as she said she feels like she's kind of the change candidate even though in a lot of ways she is reflective of you know continuing the status quo of the the Biden Administration and so she benefits from being in the Vice President in the the vice presidential office um and people being able to Envision her in that role but also feeling like just because frankly of her identity and her you relative youth Etc feeling like she is a turning of the page to a different era you know I think the polling shows people don't dislike Biden as a person maybe maybe they should but they don't uh they just didn't want him to run for reelection as yeah the most popular thing he's done as president as say he's not GNA you're like oh okay we kind of like you now that's fine yeah so Republicans really wanted this to be because I mean it is a scandal that who who knew the level of his decline like what was going on behind the scenes that you all were covering up it is a genuine Scandal and people Republicans really wanted this to be a problem for her and people are just so relieved to not have Biden on the ticket that and there's such overwhelming support for him making that move that I just it has not um landed as a political attack whatsoever yeah because by virtue of the Scandal that it was and the Scandal was that he was trying to run for reelection by not running for re-election the Scandal goes away true yeah that's true decade of course the last three and a half years has been part of your Administration I'm talking about an era that started about a decade ago where there is some suggestion warped I believe it to be that the measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you beat down instead of where I believe most Americans are which is to believe that the true measure of the strength of a leader is based on who you lift up that's what's at stake as much as any other detail that we could discuss in this election um because we haven't had a chance to to talk I'm just curious staying on President Biden when he called you and said he was pulling out of the race what was that like and did he offer to endorse you right away or did you ask for it hard-headed question there Ryan right it's like this really had to steal herself for this one this is when you really are starting to sympathize with conservative criticism of of outlets like CNN where you're like seriously like if you're Vanity Fair and you're doing like a magazine profile this is interesting stuff and then you can write some flowery narrative around it for a Sit toown interview that with the uh with a presidential candidate who hasn't given an interview yet you got you got to use your time to hit him on policy well that's the thing too um you know having done these interviews you and I both with presidential candidates or other type of candidates you you know you are very aware I've got a clock ticking from the moment we say go until the moment it's over and I have to be very strategic about what I get in and what is most consequential and um you know and and try to e either I'm going to really drill in on a couple of issues or I'm going to have a wide ranging conversation hit on as many possible things as I can I think that's probably the approach I would take here just because she hasn't given every so we don't have her on the record so I try to get her on the record on as many issues as you possibly could so to spend you know there's 5 minutes left in this interview 5 minutes you can get a lot accomplished and all of it is just dedicated you're about to hear to kamla talking about like cooking pancakes and her adorable admittedly adorable baby nieces wanting more bacon and whatever when Joe Biden calls yeah it was um it was a Sunday so here I'll give you a little too much information go for it there's no such thing Adam vice president um my family was staying with us and um including my baby nieces and we had just had pancakes and you know Auntie can I have more bacon yes I'll make you more bacon and then we were GNA s we were sitting down to do a puzzle and the phone rang in it was Joe Biden and um and he told me what he had decided to do and um I asked him are you sure and he said yes and and um and that's how I learned about it and what about the endorsement did you ask for it he was very clear that he was going to support me so when he called to tell you he said I'm pulling out of the race and I'm going to support you well my first thought was not about me to be honest with you my first thought was about him to be honest um I think history is going to show a number of things about Joe Biden's presidency I think history is going to show that in so many ways it was transformative be it on what we have accomplished around finally investing in America's infrastructure investing in new economies in new Industries what we have done to bring our allies back together and have confidence in who we are as America and grow that Alliance what we have done to stand true to our principles um including the the one of the most important International rules and Norms which is the importance of sovereignty and territorial integrity and I think history is going to show not only has Joe Biden LED an Administration that has achieved those extraordinary successes but the character of the man is one that he has been in his life and career including as a president quite selfless and puts the American people first I just have to ask you both about two standout moments aside of course from the addresses that you both gave but stand out moments that were perhaps unexpected during the convention you mentioned one of them Governor uh a moment that you shared that the world shared with your son Gus you were speaking the camera caught him so another softball I did think they talked about pancakes and bacon for the last 5 minutes but apparently they also you know let Tim Walls talk about how much he loves his family too and I mean this is look the the Comm moment there like is charming she's Charming in that moment it's like an in-kind contribution though like that's not your Jo your your goal and your job in these interviews isn't like to make people feel warm fuzzies and do basically a campaign ad for them it's supposed to be to hold power to account also is there any chance that her first thought was about him no any chance on Earth any chance whatsoever no there's a scene in vep where uh Selena Meyer gets a call that the president is not running for reelection instead she's going to run that's that's how that went went down see I never watched I watched like maybe two episodes of beep so I'm not familiar with you're not prepared for this Administration I I guess I got to watch it put that on the list for me and Kyle CU I don't think he's watched it I'm not sure maybe he has oh my God it's it's an Absol it's a documentary that's scary scary all right let's finish this out so incredibly proud of you so emotional saying that's my dad yeah I uh I don't know as a father I could have ever imagined that I grateful for so many reasons to be on this ticket but that moment um to understand what was really important to to have my son uh feel a sense of pride in me that I was trying to do the right thing and uh it was um you you try and protect your kids you know it brings it brings notoriety in things but it was just such a a visceral emotional moment that I'm just I'm grateful I got to experience it and I'm I'm so proud of him I'm proud of him I'm proud of hope I'm proud of Gwen she's it says breaking Wall's what was it was like Wall's grateful for visceral emotional moment with sun at DNC some breaking news there Ryan I mean it is true uh that it is very rare that uh children let alone take pride in their parents but even look at them as human beings uh so yeah I have no doubt that was an authentically like invigorating and experience that he'll remember the rest of his life no doubt about it what does that have to do with anything I don't know yeah yeah absolutely to experience it and I'm I'm so proud of him I'm proud of him I'm proud of hope I'm proud of gwy she's a wonderful mother and these are great kids and I think the one thing is talking about the era we're in is our politics can be better it can be different we can we can show some of these things and we can have families involved in this and I I hope that there was a I hope people felt that out there and I hope they hug their kids a little tighter because you just never know and life can be kind of hard how good is he though to immediately pivot from that to like one of his core themes of you know we can go get back to the Thanksgiving dinner table where we don't all like hate each other and dread it and whatever pretty pretty masterful politician yeah he really is I would I'd be happy to just skip the KLA Harris era and go straight to the Tim Walls era personally last Open primary we might have very true very possible Madam vice president the photograph that has gone viral you were speaking one of your grand nieces that you were just talking about was watching you accept the nomination you didn't explicitly talk about gender or race in your speech but it obviously means a lot to a lot of people and that Viral picture really says it what does it mean to you you know I listen I am running because I believe that I am the best person to do this job at this moment um for all Americans regardless of race and gender um but I did see that photograph and I was deeply touched by it and right she's it's the back of her head her tool braids and um and then I'm in the front of the photograph obviously speaking and um it's very humbling it's very humbling in many ways did she talk to you about it afterward oh she had a lot to talk about she had a lot she listened to everything and she listens to everything give you your hot C oh yeah definitely uh Madam vice president governor walls thank you so much for your time so there you go um but that last answer very emblematic of how she has she's really adopted more of an Obama approach to the quote unquote historic nature of her candidacy she lets it speak for herself she really wants to EMP like give Comfort to everyone that listen I'm not going to talk about like all this black stuff I'm just I'm going to be a president for everybody and if it means something to you that's great but that's not what I'm that's not the reason I'm here and I think I'm sad that that's what she has to do but that's I think it's the right approach I mean but on the other hand like obviously representation matters and I it does speak for itself but more important is okay what are you going to do on Ro versus Wade that is going to be much more impactful to all women versus you know you yourself K Harris transcending to this position of power yeah but yeah again if you're a conservative watching that you're like how is this a how is how is this a is this a journalist what like what's going on here yeah uh and it's fine like it is a cool picture and for the public to and Democrats in particular to like love the picture that's great but for the media like to take the opportunity of this interview to just Elevate that and give her an opportunity to sell it more it's just I mean cn's going to do what it's going to do but you know yeah they can't they can't complain then when people see them as Democratic party [Music] apparicine enough like I think you know it was much better than her previous interviews it was in it was pretty easy interview like there were no really tough questions the the only reason that questions were tough is because there were some obvious ones like you used to say the complete opposite of what you say now why right like uh but you know she didn't do the word salad that she's famous for for the most part and so I think and like like we were saying earlier unlike Obama who people you know really vested all of their hopes and dreams into and willing to let them lead them wherever that's not how people feel about Harris they just want her to not fall over and that and they will like the crowd will like carry her on their shoulders across the Finish Line they're like just just be alive just be better than Biden and she's doing that yeah it's also the case that the bar has been it is fair to say the bar has been said exceptionally low um because of Biden um but also because all we've really seen of her for the Biden Administration has been like whatever word salad Clips have been cut and shared virally and so um there's a caricature of her number one uh and number two that forgets some of the moments where she has been strong and capable and she's obviously you know she's I think she also has an added confidence in Swagger in this moment she didn't previously have and I also think she probably grew on the job as vice president you know even though we weren't seeing everything she was doing she was doing some stuff and having to get reps in and hone some of her skills and get better so um yeah I think she I think Republicans will dis be disappointed that she isn't actually the caricature that they had in her their mind where she's just totally incapable of answering any question without a script right in front of her someone holding her hand Etc yeah I think she had a month to prepare for it yeah um and so she did some prep there was there there previously the concern among her Departed staff was that she refused to prepare for interviews and and flubbed you know easy questions she did questions she did that at the start of this one the day one but was prepared for other ones um and so yeah it's like she should do more of these and not make it like a national event when she does an interview where we have to do an hour and 20 minute uh response parsing every single answer because this is all we have this is all we have at this point of uh you know what she's given us in in terms of um interview sit Downs I do you think that this uh you know when do you think is the next time she'll do you think now she'll feel like okay maybe I can do a few of these and I can survive it or do you think she'll feel like all right checked that box not going to have to do another one of these for another month and a half maybe she'll do one a little sooner yeah um or maybe she maybe she'll just punt like because what they did they punted it to the end of the month and then they did it right before Labor Day mhm so they'll skip Labor Day week next week um then they'll be under then then got they got the debate like so that that'll buy them some time maybe not until a couple weeks after the debate um and then there's the walls debate so you know they might punt it they'll punt it for as long as the media and the public lets them get away with it yeah and um I actually think the the media and the public are pretty much going to let her get away with it to be honest with you I don't I I don't see that there was like a huge real back I I you know think she probably could have they felt pressure and the media was getting you know pisser and testier there other danger with this is they stop liking you and they start being more aggressive with you they start doing tougher stories right yeah exactly so I think they were starting to feel some of that build but I I have a I have a feeling that you're right that she's going to feel like I checked the box I don't have to do this again for a while so y so enjoy it guys all right Ryan thanks for uh doing this with me this morning enjoy pleasure yeah enjoy the long weekend guys enjoy Labor Day and we will see you back for a full Breaking Point Show online and we've got the Friday show actually oh that's right yeah up later today um yeah you guys had a RFK Jr little RFK Jr debate yeah that was Michael Tracy and then a a field staff for RFK je Hut who was yeah National PR previous National Field director for RFK kind of Defending his decision to endorse Trump I'm I'm I haven't checked that one out yet so I'm looking forward to seeing that I know Michael Tracy's been going hard in the paint as he is as he is want to do so all right y'all enjoy that check on Drive site news and I will see you guys back here on 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