Lauren Southern Confronts Destiny Immediately After Twitter Space Debate

you're not understanding me you're misunderstanding me okay in your world an interesting conversation is where me and Jordan Peterson see how lightly we can touch our together okay for for 2 hours okay without making the other person come or cry that's in your mind that's an interesting conversation I don't consider those to be successful conversations I don't like any conversation I've had this year with any conservative figure I don't like any of them all of them have been garbage conversations I've enjoyed conversations I had in the blood Sports era oh Jesus hey babes hey what's up buddy hold on let me uh let me fix my [ __ ] real quick so um holy [ __ ] are you calling me no what the [ __ ] my bad my bad being a boomer so if back say that again you heard the stream calling in the background yeah yeah my bad my bad um so what I wanted to asked was if uh if Trump is an insurrectionist like threatening to end democracy if he wins again and it looks like he's going to win right like let's pretend it looks like he's going to win we don't know obviously um do you think the next logical step is to shoot him the next logical step probably not what would that be then uh I don't know probably protests um I mean you I mean the you should probably exhaust every single legal mean you have available to you before you move to forms of non violent demonstrations and you should exhaust every single nonviolent option available to you before you move on to targeted violent demonstrations like there's like a escalatory path that you would take it probably look pretty similar to what MLK did for the Civil Right Stuff okay yeah I guess that makes sense so why do you think uh like when you're arguing all these like points about the uh you know elector the electorates or whatever not being like um like being false electorates and not going through like all the Cor being like proven um that he put up false electorates and even that one guy that was against you rob uh acknowledged that why do you think none of the conservative people like know about it or talk about it because conservatives have been allowed to play by a different rule book and because liberals have been eternally sneako or cucked sorry liberals have been eternally cucked on their media talking points for ever since Trump has been in office I don't know how but conservatives have this magical ability to dictate the standards that we're allowed to hold our candidates to and the things that we're allowed to talk about I don't know how it's happened maybe it's because they're constantly on the attack or maybe it's because they have no moral standards for what they expect the representatives to have uh but yeah so we only have to talk over and over and over again about things relating to the Democrats or things relating to Biden or whatever and there's absolutely no responsibility it's like imagine that you imagine that you're you're a board of college professors and two people are before you who are trying to defend their PHD their thesis and you've got like a a grad student and you've got like a foury y old and the grad student defends his thesis and there are issues with it and so you critique him and then the four-year-old goes to defend and every time you try to critique the four-year-old people are like bro he's just 4 years old somehow conservatives have gotten away with setting the media like that that's that's the standard like when you look at the debates for instance and you see that like Biden has issues like speaking and he's either losing his mind or going s whatever the I don't know what it is clearly there's something there's some issue there right like everybody talks about it nobody talks about the F that Donald Trump doesn't say anything here's the question what do you know what policy platform the conservatives are even running on right now no do you have any idea what the Trump's plans are for the economy for immigration for foreign policy for healthare for for literally anything the Republicans are they don't even run on policy for Republicans if you're looking for that I I don't know yeah but if You' ask any Republicans they would have no idea because Donald Trump doesn't have any idea there is no platform they don't even have a policy platform right now it's they just run on Vibes and and and down syndrome that's literally it it's anti-woke that's their platform that's it yeah I mean no no you're good dude it's it's it's a lot to take in because obviously I don't really know anything about this and I've there's not really easily consumable videos like going over and highlighting I agree but the issue why you can't do it is because as soon as you start to talk negatively about Donald here's the issue Donald Trump came in and he was a uniquely substandard human being okay he was disgusting in a variety of ways he cheated on multiple wives he [ __ ] a porn star and then paid her off to lie about it while he cheated on his own wife that's why his current wife ising leaving him that's why you don't see her with him anywhere okay he's been engaged in all sorts of like debaucherous horrible disgusting Behavior he's on recording saying he wants to he can grab women by the [ __ ] because he's famous right he's because he's done so many horrible things people don't really care about that [ __ ] right yeah but this is obviously a whole another level of that's fine but how but the problem is that when he s so many unhinged things if you say anything about it all can just say oh Trump derangement syndrome oh Trump derangement syndrome oh because he's done so much crazy if you say anything about it you're deranged apparently so you just have to accept like well okay I guess like Donald Trump just gets to act this way that's why you haven't heard of any of the things he that's why in every single one of these rooms not like no conservative and I've talked to a lot of like big like decently s conserv in real life like wait electorate scheme what's that again who don't even have any idea uh but that's the reason why you can't talk about the bad things Donald Trump does you can only talk about the bad things liberals do that's it you just expect that conservatives are immoral subhuman the expectation yeah as aing Normie right as like a super Normie I don't know dick like me hearing a lot of this is for the first time like today right yeah um it's shocking to me that I could go and watch like all these re like I I don't know what I mean I guess I'm on your stream right [ __ ] like s documentaries about like 911 conspiracies going into like the nitty-gritty of one guy seeing something on the street one day at like the bottom of a elevator in the in the towers or some [ __ ] and then I can't get a full thing like a full doc or some [ __ ] video essay going over like the the court documents of this thing um does that Mak sense like how is there not like an A to B like the best was your video that I watched the other day did I even I I read through I read every single indictment and every single criminal stat have but obviously that's like over the course of a month's worth of streams or whatever no yeah I'm trying to think if there oh something I've been trying to do afterwards I did it with the immunity case I'm trying to have like a concise 15minute video um afterward yeah to summarize it yeah I mean I guess I have to be like the person in the media to carry this on my back because apparently nobody else does any cover dude it's like how is it not anywhere like uh like do you know the Andrew Tate [ __ ] right like you were actually ahead of the ball on that like months and months before but then when I made my videos making that like a consumable 15minute video that obviously got a lot farther with people cuz it's like here's the here's the logic here's the steps there's the receipts it's hard to deny that when it's all laid out like that dummy dummy proof sure you're yeah you're right you know what yeah okay that'll be my next to make a video on it cuz it's it's crazy obviously but it's like I'm I'm legally illiterate on a lot of that this [ __ ] you know it's like way out of my um I will do it I'll do it just because you ask me I should you're right I should I will do it okay I will do it yeah okay cool I sound just I'm not I don't mean to I will I will okay no no I think I think you've been um no I mean this dude obviously this is crazy when you first started tweeting about it I was like holy [ __ ] this guy's like fully on a hinge then when I hear you I'm like holy [ __ ] is this elector stuff like true I know nobody knows about this but it's none of it like for instance for instance okay like and you you just you can look up Trump transcript uh where Trump speech a key part of impeachment okay this NP article right if you look up a transcript of the speech that they give on that day everybody likes to bring up that peacefully and patriotically I know that everyone here will soon marching yeah over to the capital building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard the right before that right before that the thing that he says is because you'll never take back our country with weakness you have to show strength and you have to be strong we have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated lawfully slated those electors that he's talking about there those are the fake ones that he sent to Pence that's what he's talking about right there when he talks about Mike Pence and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us and if he doesn't that will be a sad day for our country because you're sworn to up what he's talking about is he he's telling Mike Pence you have to throw out the legitim votes and choose the fake ones that we sent in that's what he's talking about here that's what all of this is about but watch that I had no clue what he was referring to that's fine yeah I'll I'll put I will put it together video dude when I watched the video for like week ago of you of like August put together whoever your editor is for for this for that thing that's like so far into your stream and when that one clip played I was like whoa whoa whoa holy [ __ ] is that what that's referring to like like like you get what I'm saying like there's not a whole lot of like people talking about that [ __ ] or I should say you're talking about it or maybe like you see like a tweet about it but it's like I didn't I didn't know it was that like blatantly put together okay yeah I'll I'll put some together on it sure cool um I think that's it man I mean is there anything else you want to uh well now my moment of Glory okay got completely fuing glossed over um what do you mean see what I mean and then I'm gonna say it you're gonna feel bad no don't do it then it was exposing Boogie oh [ __ ] commentary hero for like a day when you did that it's gone bro yeah Jesus now we're on the new arc this shooter needed to wait like two more weeks so I could bask on the destruction of hising career I know bro you [ __ ] dropped the ball on that one theing commentary space you're gonna have half of them at your throat dude I know well well cool man all right well uh good luck with everything I'm glad you talked to yeah don't R I'll be be careful I'll be I'll be perfectly sidelined with no opinion until I learn more so good luck bro yeah you're good fun deces Deuces um as a quick thing for like the seven people that even give a [ __ ] anymore um people in the people in the subreddit were talking about how um we're were're talking about how uh it was unfair for me to like medically diagnose uh Boogie or that like I didn't have enough information to medically diagnose him because I of the background that is true but I wasn't working on Strictly medical information I was working on Boogie's character for a large part of that every single thing that Boogie had said pointed towards that secondary polycythemia it all pointed towards that however even after every single thing he said even after every single thing he said it is possible that he actually had the cancer he did have poly that was possible I I couldn't know 100% the only reason why pushed as hard as I did is because I I caught myself or I didn't catch myself but I prepared at the start of that conversation I asked him explicitly I said did your doctor tell you that you had cancer and he waffled on it I think he said like something like well he said paully said I think he waffled on it okay that's and then after he waffled that's why I leaned in really hard is because okay he did no doctor in my limited opinion okay in my limited opinion all right no doctor is is going to give a cancer diagnosis in vague terms to a patient and then send them home afterwards without going over it a lot nobody's going to say like oh yeah so it looks like you've got uh like a leukemia or whatever like good luck go home and then like somebody goes home like leukemia wait cancer wait what like no doctor is going to do that that's insane that's unhinged so yeah um after he said that uh then I was able to lean in more and then ask him questions about it and there was also I regret this cuz I should have I um I had this in my mind I even read this before and I didn't bring it up I don't know why um and I miss one thing where is KMD it's possible that Boogie said something that was dispositive but I would have to push him on exactly what I what he meant also I need to go back and I read all the hormone Markus could be WR there is a there is a hormone that can be present in your blood that when this hormone is produced it causes you to produce more red blood cells is it EOP uh hormone for RBC production EPO one of the things that Boogie said over and over and over again was I have this hormone marker I have this I think he said I have this elevated hormone if you have the elevated hormone that I think that means almost certainly you don't have polycythemia um Vera because the indication for polym Vera because when you have this hormone it means that your body is producing more red blood cells if one of the diagnostic ways to diagnose polyca is to have a decrease in that hormone but still have an elevated RBC and I think there are two other things where your I don't know the terms for it you can have an elevated [ __ ] because if your if the hormone is low if the hormone is low and you still have lots of uh red blood cells and and two other things then that means that they're well I think that that's enough to diagnose um the cancer however if instead of saying hormone what he should have said and what I should have asked for I should have just screamed this the whole time what you're really looking for is a genetic test for the Jack 2 mutation the Jack 2 is a mutation in a gene that if you have this mutation and you have an elevated uh red blood cell count with a low EPO hormone marker that's enough I believe to diagnose polycythemia vera you don't need you don't need the bone marob for that um I should have focused on that the that the Jack 2 mutation that's what I should have focused on asking but uh regardless that's your um yeah that was the the meme on all that but irrespective of me braking up those two points uh the way that he navigated that conversation it was painfully obvious um it was painfully obvious that he was lying and scamming about um the Jack 2 is probably the test he wanted to get now no I don't think he is getting a jack 2 test um because it sounds like hormone is elevated because it is secondary polycythemia which I don't even think is what you is technically call it you call it like um there was another word for I don't remember but anyway that was the Boogie [ __ ] not that we give a f about the Boogie [ __ ] anymore but he was he is lying he was lying about cancer for two years [ __ ] him [Music] okay what do you want you have the worst audience yeah I have the worst audience audience of all the yeah okay that's cool I'm glad you're new to the internet you haven't uh you haven't been engaged with a lot of audiences but go ahead tell me what else I've spent years being questioned on your stream thousands of times for being a sarcastic terrorist over and over again what are you implying by that more and what are you g to push your audience to do if you say that the situation is x amount of hopeless constantly instantly on your stream by peace go by lyen by everyone the one time I do the same thing to you and I say hey what did you mean by that do you think that your rhetoric might lead people to think of violent Insurrection against I don't know Trump if he's elected next election uh might lead to something like that might make it sound like it's okay your audience are literally on Reddit saying Blacklist me forever because I'm trying to get you banned as if I would ever support that the differ yeah this is the this is the difference okay I'm not out here like denying the implications of things that I'm saying it's pretty obvious I'm not trying to walk I'm just not going to go to the max extent of like fed posting on a Twitter space where everybody's maxing reporting me however one thing I will say I'm going to reiterate this and I said this over and over and over again in the past you can go back and watch every single Jan 6 video I I did okay I said over and over and over again I said listen if you think that the election was legitimately [ __ ] stolen you should be doing an Insurrection you're literally having your country stolen from you I would understand why people would engage in violent protest there I've said that over and over and over again people seem to have this idea that because I've said oh these people shouldn't be violently protesting that that means that there's like never a case where that is like what should happen the issue I've had in the past is that usually the people are saying it are saying it for [ __ ] reasons so for instance well the biggest issue that I have with people on the left is when they say things like oh [ __ ] voting we shouldn't do that we just need to violently protest why the [ __ ] would you why the would you say [ __ ] voting and go right to Violent that doesn't make any sense right that doesn't mean that in every single case I think it's necessarily a bad thing to do I'm just saying that in the circumstan people for it's generally [ __ ] the factual Foundation is not there that's what I've said you can go back and find it over and over I've said over and over again but okay that's fine that's fine you're consistent but would you agree with your audience in blacklisting me for my line of questioning well I I mean I mean I haven't blacklisted you have I but everybody it sounded like you were hardcore fed posting I determine my Blacklist not my audience trying to figure out the level of unhinged we are dealing with right now like the level of un I was pretty clear what I say I say the level of a hinged is if people get blown away at rallies or whatever the where they're championing like an inist I have no sympathy for it that's like my like if you want we can have an off stream conversation about the full implications I don't I wouldn't advocate for violence I don't think anybody should go out and be killing anybody for a variety of reasons um of which I detailed in the space I think that not I think that um the first step should always be legal processes The Next Step should always be committed forms of nonviolent protest and then if it escalates then you start going through I guess violent Chang you really feel like you have to uh but those are like your Pathways you have to exhaust every stage before you move to the next so if the legal processes don't work but you disagree with them because I keep hearing you say like oh Trump keeps getting away with it anyways like he's just getting away with it they're letting him you know pardon all of his friends all this isn't this kind of similar to the opinions that right rers have towards the election or the processes aren't working properly therefore I get to rise up let's say that in a country somebody passed a law saying that we were allowed to children as young as 2 years old and let's say that in another country somebody passed a law that lowered the tax bracket for billionaires from 39% to 35% do you think that both people have equal justification for protesting those laws sorry repeat that if a if a country passes a pro-child rep law and another country changes their tax brackets do you think that both people in both countries have equal justification for protesting the laws okay well I think in both cases it's just a matter of I don't think that Trump not being charged is equivalent to I never said it was equivalent i' never I didn't say it was equivalent think I'm asking you for a let me I'm asking you no of course it's not okay there you go there you go okay but the reason why is because you're doing in your mind a factual analysis of what the people are protesting So when you say Destiny when you say that you could protest this or you wouldn't have to this isn't this kind of like what right winger said well I mean in in terms of like the actions maybe but the underlying factual analysis is entirely fing different when conservatives say things like oh no progressives are stealing the government they don't have a factual Foundation generally to say things like that when people say oh no Donald Trump is fundamentally altering like the power of like how the branches are operating in order to serve his own interests there is a factual foundation for that I would argue so I would say there's a difference in both scenarios do you think that um if you've got that factual Foundation which don't get me wrong I am interested in when you were talking about the uh actually reading the indictments and clearly when you do your debates most of the people who do them against you haven't read them I haven't read them I'll be honest with that I'm very interested in reading them in fact listening to some of your content has made me interested in actually building into that content and made me think twice about oh you know the people I follow on Twitter don't usually share that stuff it is kind of annoying that a lot of the politics is over Ms and this and that it's kind of cool to hear when you talk about oh there's some things you should check out Lauren do you think you might be hurting your chances of doing that more by telling every conservative that follows you to [ __ ] off and never subscribe to your channel again and that you hate the ball I would never I didn't say that to conservatives I just say to people that support Donald Trump there's a few conservatives out there who don't I'm like I'm like 90% sure you said conservative you're like I'm sure we've got a thousand conservatives left here you can all off I think I said over conserva to support Trump but you know what if I misspoke that if you're a conservative and you don't support Trump you're welcome here you're our favorite type of conservative cuz the Republican Party sure as [ __ ] doesn't want you not conservatives that support Trump the exact people you want to be listening to what you're saying like you've got I don't know if those people are I don't know I don't know if I can reach those people pretty sure he supports Trump would you if you could take it back would you not do that drinking game with Michael nolles well at this point absolutely I would take it back yeah me you would okay ABS well I wouldn't take it back but the it would the start of it would be me grilling him on the I would read the first question and then I would ask him about the Insurrection and then I would do that for probably about 25 minutes till he kicks me out of a show that's probably we do I think your most interesting Arc has been all of these debates you've been doing lately with people that you haven't been able to access in the past you've been able to have fascinating conversations weren going on before you little reasonable that's great when you say that okay it's like somebody saying like one of my favorite things about you is the fact that your dad is from Kentucky okay that's not what I want to be known for that's not what I want to be remembered for whatever it is that's not what I want to be famous for okay my strengths are in debate and I think they're in uh research uh information acquisition and hopefully some kind of rhetoric okay it's not are you any if you have personally attacked them all into Oblivion every single right Wier on Twitter right now you've just like how am I going to debate anyone when I go on their shows and the only way to talk to them is if I treat them like a Down syndrome written 2-year-old none of the things I've had were debates my conversation with Ben Shapiro wasn't a debate Jordan Peterson wasn't a debate Candace Owens wasn't a debate none of these were Gorka wasn't a debate none of these things have been debates it's been me going there and then giving them the privilege of surviving a conversation with me saying wow I talked to Destin it wasn't that bad because I have to treat them likeing children otherwise they'll be like Constantine where they [ __ ] themselves online because I've dared toing challenge the status quo that these Centrist spineless packs who only carry water for Trump exclusively have managed to do for year after year after year because nobody calls him out on it so who is good enough to debate Destiny who is good enough somebody that is like actually ADH to their principles can have a challenging and critical conversation without running and screaming and who's not a sellout unfortunately it's all a bunch of small that guy that you saw in that last thing that was screaming me Rob no that's one of them that's a guy who can have a conversation we can scream each other back and forth who actually reads [ __ ] and goes through stuff um the there are people in my community that I have conversations with uh it's unfortunately there's going to be smaller content creators people like Tim P have too much of a vested interest in keeping themselves stupid and keeping their audien is stupid to have critical conversations that's why they bring people on and they don't prep them on the topics and they just bring up like fakeing news on monitor to read off so that they could have their debates and do their you know Mutual sucking contests or and then same thing with every other quote unquote Centrist channel right how do you call yourself Lauren how do you call your program triggernometry and then you get triggered because I have a little joke at and some dude getting blown away at some fat at a some Pro Putin loser at a trump rally that's the thing that trick like oh I can't have this guy in my Shir anymore [ __ ] eat [ __ ] [ __ ] how many jokes you think this guy has made at BLM people dying or do you think he's made Pelosi husband jokes the out of here okay these people are not edgy they're not Centrist they're not triggering anybody they're just fing conservative sucks that's all they are listen if Constantine has made a joke about a BLM Rider that wasn't actively attacking and trying to kill someone getting uh you know murdered yeah I think that was pretty hypocritical I don't think he has though don't think he has okay well I'll go looking for it later on and we'll find out and I'm gonna read those indictments anyways I think uh I think you'll have a lot more interesting conversations in the future if you just hold on you're not understanding me you're not you're not understanding me you're misunderstanding me okay in your world an interesting conversation is where me and Jordan Peterson see how lightly we can touch our di together okay for for two hours okay without making the other person come or cry that's in your mind that's an interesting conversation I don't consider those to be successful conversations I don't like any conversation I've had this year with any conservative figure I don't like any of them all of them have been garbage conversations I've enjoyed conversations I had in the blood Sports era more than any of the conversations with any of these hacks okay so I understand what you're saying ter like oh well I think that these conversations are good they aren't good they're not good they were waste of time and now I regret that I've let some people slide by thinking that I think the conduct that's acceptable is acceptable when I don't think that it is that's my issue so you know we'll find out okay so if I uh if I read these indictments um will we have a conversation about it later or because I'm you know thinking about maybe supporting Trump are we just going to Blacklist me from the stream I haven't blacklisted anybody uh we can have a conversation about the if you want but um I'm not going tolist you from my I'm just saying that never mind I that uh listen if you want to read him and then have a chat with me then we can have a chat with them sure but will you [ __ ] hate that conversation never want to have it if I can have a I don't hate I don't hate conversation I have a critical conversation I haven't had that conversation I haven't had that critical conversation with any other conservative person they can't have critical conversations they break down and they cry and they [ __ ] themselves and then they piss themselves and they come all over themselves in the corner okay whenever they are challenged even remotely by any of these things all right send me all of the documents you think are relevant to the conversation we're going to have I will read them might take me a little while but I will read them and we can have that conversation all right okay be careful stay safe all right bye I feel like that her reading is going to end with her saying I don't see a part here where Donald Trump says I want to insurrecto on Hing today is because before I came on I especially prepared I specially prepared and I watched a YouTube video called abandoned plot lines in game Game of Thrones I watched this whole video from start to finish and I was like okay you know what now I'm ready now I'm ready to go and have these debates all right why is he what are you talking about I remember meeting this kid and thinking I've never met such a little [ __ ] boy seriously opposite of a man bro when I met these guys at the table when we met for breakfast these guys were crying with they're like you're not recording anything right cuz when when progresses sometimes when they come out and they shoot with us sometimes they they make secret recordings in New York Times guy made a hit p on us once like bro what are what is this guy talking about there were like 10 people at this table what the are you talking about you this guy is like 100 lb heavier than me and like 6 Ines taller than me you had this hugely negative opinion of me you sat next to me like a little baby [ __ ] and kept your mouth shut the out of here I talked to your kid like the entire fing time we were eating and you just sat there like not saying anything rewrite history holy [ __ ] you've been whiffing up too much of that gunpowder on the Range my dude Jesus time to be boring that's for my career is going I just want to reach it until factorio comes out Biden though what it's going to be I don't care what when is it oh it's just going to be the violence is never acceptable we can never have violence in this country we have to turn down the temperature no violence he's going to cuck out hard and he's not going to blame Trump whatsoever for his violot rhetoric that's the big prediction that I'm going to make right here um Biden will not place any blame at the feet of the conservative party right now for engaging in self-destructive rhetoric not a single time he won't do it he won't do it he won't do it I think he will we'll see I bet he's not even going to make fun of the guy I'm just kidding that Biden all I see is Biden up plus one in Pennsylvania God what a banger what a banger tweet what is this guy talking about why would he make this he makes so much weird [ __ ] up hell the girl you were with showed more attention to my friends and I than you what a weird thing to say when it's for so many reasons this such a bizarre thing to say isn't this guy married like how is that weird to say well it's weird one because it's incorrect like I literally picked her up and she was my friend that I was hanging out with for the weekend there so nothing that he said is even remotely true which already makes it weird and then secondly it's kind of weird cuz he's treating like the friend that I'm with as like a sex object to be competed for around a group of people that just showed up to go shooting with each other like he's fulfilling every negative stereotype of um of like a like a subhuman worthless disgusting conservative [ __ ] loser um all while being like a married guy it seems kind of weird to me but maybe that's example I guess that he wants to set for his care his family but my fellow Americans want to speak holy [ __ ] they oranged him up they gave him the Trump treatment tonight about the need for us to lower the temperature in our politics and to remember or we may disagree we are not enemies we're neighbors we're friends co-workers citizens and most importantly we're our fellow Americans we must stand together yesterday's shooting at Donald Trump's rally in Pennsylvania calls on all of us to take a step back take stock of where we are how we go forward from here thankfully former Trump is not seriously lured I spoke with him last night I'm grateful he's doing well and Jill and I keep him and his family in our prayers we also extend our deepest condolences to the family of the victims who was killed Corey was a husband a father a volunteer firefighter a hero Sheltering his family from those bullets we should all hold his family and all those injured in our prayers earlier today I spoke about an ongoing investigation we do not know the motive of the shooter yet we don't know his opinions or affiliations we don't know whether he had help or support or if you communicate with anyone else law enforcement professionals as I speak are investigating the those questions tonight I want to speak to what we do know a former president wasad an American citizen killed while simply exercising his freedom to support the candidate of his choosing we cannot we must not go down this road in America we've traveled before throughout our history violence has never been the answer whether it's with members of Congress of both parties being targeted and shot or a violent mob attacking the Capal on January 6th or brutal attack on the spouse of former Speaker of the House Nancy fi or information and intimidation on Election officials or the kidnapping plot against the sitting Governor we attempted assassination on Donald Trump there is no place in America this kind of violence for any violence ever period no exceptions we can't allow this violence to be normalized you know the political record in this country has gotten very heated it's time to cool it down we all have a responsibility to do that yes we have deeply felt strong disagreements mistakes in this election are enormously High I've said it many times that the choice in this election we making this election is going to shape the future of America and the world for decades to come I believe that with all my soul I know that millions of my fellow Americans believe it as well and some have a different view that's the direction our country should take this agreement is inevitable in American Marx it's part of human nature but politics must never be a literal Battlefield God forbid field heavly politics ought to be arena for peaceful debate to pursue Justice to make decisions Guided by the Declaration of inde in our constitution we stand for an America not of extremism Fury but of decency and Grace all of us now face the p ofest as election approaches and the higher the stakes the more fervent the passions become this place is an added burden on each of us to ensure that no matter how strong our convictions we must never descend into violence the Republican convention will start tomorrow I have no doubt they'll criticize my record and offer their own vision for this country I'll be traveling this week making the case for our record and the vision my vision of country our vision I'll continue to speak out strongly for our Democracy stand up for our constitution the rule of law call for Action at the Battle box no violence on our streets that's how democracy should work we debate and disagree We compare and contrast the character of the candidates the records the issues the agenda the vision for America but in America we resolve our differ at the Battle box you know that's how we do it at the Battle box not with bullets the power to change America should always rest in the hands of the people not the hands of would be assassin you know the pass forward through a competing vision of the campaign should always be resolve peacefully not through acts of violence you know we're blessed to live in the greatest country on Earth and I believe that every soul every Power of my being so tonight I'm asking every American do we commit to make America so make America what think about what's made America so special here in America everyone must be treated with d and respect and hate must have no safe haror here in America we need to get out of our silos We only listen to those with who we agree misinformation is rampant we foreign actors fan the Flames of our division to shape the outcomes consistent with their interest not ours let you remember here in America all un is the most elusive of B goals right now nothing is more more important for us now than standing together we can do this pragmatically I think Biden has to say this yeah obviously he should he's the president this if you're an elected official uh your rhetoric should obviously be dedicated to turning down the temperature I'm half joking no I'm fully jugging I'm sorry I should have made myself clear Biden shouldn't be coming on and saying like hell yeah you get shot find out as the president is he should be telling people to chill the [ __ ] out that's his job of course now Trump sure as wouldn't do it but um Biden should be yes you know from the beginning our Founders understood the power of passion so they created a democracy that gave reason and balance a chance to Prevail over Brute Force that's American we must be American democracy arguments are made in good faith American democracy where the rule of law is respected American democracy where decency dignity fair play aren't just quaint Notions but living greeding realities we owe that to those who come before us to those who gave their lives to this country we that to ourselves we to our children and our grandchildren look let's never lose sight of Who We Are let's remember we are the United States of America there is nothing nothing nothing beyond our capacity when we do it together God bless you all may God protect our [Music] troops hey man oh hey what's up buddy how are you doing doing great just hanging out how do you feel uh it feels ridiculous I feel like I'm living in a like an actual clown world but too much too much a clown world do you feel like Angry yeah a little bit can you tell me a little bit why um I feel upset that conservatives have it feels like so little moral character that it feels like basically everything is on the table or nothing's off the table everything's on the table I guess conversely yeah in terms of like the tools that are available to them to operate in this country uh I know for a fact that there are uh we could probably think of five things on the top the top of our head um that if it was the other way around uh they would be losing their [ __ ] minds that if Donald Trump Junior was charged with a federal crime for doing drugs on a video and then having owned a gun that if he was convicted for that that they'd lose their minds um if if Biden was uh telling KLA Harris to flip electorate votes they would lose their mind that if Biden was seeking criminal immunity before a court that conservatives would lose their [ __ ] mind that like like we yeah um that's irritating to me um I think I feel like playing nice with any of these Centrist [ __ ] has been irritating to me the guys that are all the staunchest like Trump Defenders that all pretend to be centrists like all the Tim pools and the trigonometri and like all these [ __ ] losers uh is irritating um and I'm upset that I feel like for this is I said this what I'm going to do going forward is every single conversation that every single person in the media has between now and the election every single convers ation needs to start with the Insurrection plot and it and there has to be agreement from start to finish on that and if that conversation doesn't happen then it doesn't go anywhere but from there um yeah this the I think that part of what triggered me was I think reading the immunity case and then having that settle in more and then looking back on the accountability that Democrats have to have at every option and then thinking of all of the accountability that Trump has dodged right that he can't be impeached because he's out of office um he can run for office because section three actually doesn't count we're just going to get rid of that that he can't be criminally charged with anything that all of his friends that have been charged have been pardoned by him like the accountability dodging is insane um yeah yeah I think and then I think final I think you would agree there's a we can't say for sure because we don't know but there's like a there's like an a high possibility that all of the cases get tossed either because of some of the presumptive immunity that the state can't overcome because some of the absolute immunity was needed to prove a wider conspiracy or because by the time these cases get anywhere he's going to be the president and he'll just pick a doj head that kills the investigations yeah I think that that's in terms of what you're saying about the specific indictments that's true that the immunity decision has put a lot of like holes in a lot of these cases even the New York case um I think might be um the conviction might be overturned because some of the evidence not all of it maybe not even the best part of it related to conversations that that he had with with members were government employees right although also remember keep in mind too you know this I'm saying more for the audience but like for a criminal conviction the standard of proof it the you have to present before the jury has to be Beyond A Reasonable Doubt so when people look at a case and they see like four pieces of evidence and like two are key and two are like you know okayish just because you're removing a piece of evidence like a key piece you only have to bump it down from that uh Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and then the case fails right so you don't even have to kill like the main parts of the case to potentially destroy it in front of a jury yeah I um you know me right and I think your audience knows that I very much am on the train of I do not like Donald Trump I think he's a threat to our democracy and so if anyone I think has purchased with you and your audience about how much I agree with you on the fundamentals of the Insurrection stuff and trying to steal the election it's me I don't know if you remember and this might be interesting to you um and and at some point I I'll bring this up to you sure back in I think 2021 or 2022 you had a call with some guy who essentially said that January 6 was just of some Frat Boys okay and I called in your stream afterwards and said I'm so offended like how can it be like this was a like a procedural coup and the violent coup and we started talking about that mhm and your reaction was come on get the [ __ ] out of here this is just you know this wasn't that I think if there was a plan I think we would have known more about it I think other things would have happened yeah and I don't blame you right because you didn't have the full factual analysis of what's going on right you didn't have access to the indictments you didn't have access you you maybe weren't up to date on the latest rumors about what investigations were happening so I don't blame you in that moment like cosmically for how you came about to that belief but I want to and I do want to address your comments at some point but I I want to just give you um the Insight that this used to be your belief right because you didn't have the facts I didn't I wasn't able to watch all of your conversations today because I was a little busy but I saw one the first the very first one you had with a woman who really didn't know about this and if you don't know about this right not only do your comments seem you're not going to take the your comments well it I mean it's going to be worse you're going to look like a radical and I would like to uh get your response that even you yourself as you know smart as you are as researched as you are had the opinion that this was no big deal until you looked into the fundamental facts there and so I would you know I want to know your reaction to that what do you think about that yeah I don't think I did but I don't know if I offered like a super strong opinion about it I think that generally if I don't have a lot of the facts on a particular thing I just tend to offer like super strong opinions about it yeah you wouldn't find like you wouldn't find me running around screaming on the internet like oh no it was just a peaceful thing it was blah blah like I it was just like I don't know I don't think there's enough here like I think that was I think what I'm even in that town I think it was about like oh I don't know there's enough here to consider like an Insurrection or coup um whether it's because the whole j6 report the commission stuff wasn't out yet but I just I didn't have that strong of an opinion on it yeah I listen I think it was a little bit more heated than that and at one point I'll I'll show it to you I think it's well we can go over it but the reason why it got super heated wasn't because well I'm just saying it wasn't because of our positions it was because you wereing something I felt like you weren't sourcing it properly the heated part wasn't over the opinion no no this is before so I'm not even referencing yeah I understand our long conversation before that that's not what I actually what I'm referencing I'm referencing years ago so years ago before we were talking about um the Jan 6 report before the Jan 6 report even came out this is preh hearings you're just you're well sure because I don't think at that time I don't think there was in my opinion I don't think think there was any strong evidence at all to support that at the at the time no it seemed like just a deranged protest that turned Riot for some of it well I actually disagree the the election conspiracy stuff the false elector scheme was known um even in the course of the election we we were we knew that they were doing it and they were trying that and we knew for example um the Eastman stuff during the at the time um and that that was all coming out live um as it was happening and now it might it was not it did not reach like a a public widespread public I think it didn't reach like a yeah it didn't reach reach that widespread public a but I think it also helped that uh well I say it helped but nobody really with them I guess when the Jack Smith indictment came out that the federal case on the Jack Smith indictment laid like all of it out like very clearly I think until then it was pretty scatter shot in terms of like the pieces that were coming out um and there wasn't like a clear public record or clear public accounting of it that's fair that the only thing the only reason I'm bringing this up in the first inst this is if people don't know what they don't know then just like you don't know what you don't know now you could say they have a duty to inform themselves but they are stuck in these Echo chamers they are that's a problem and it it doesn't mean that like okay we should just forget about personal responsibility and all that stuff but I would say that there are people that you know very close to you um who are also stuck and it's because maybe they're you know not strong enough or whatever to break out of those bubbles but they don't deserve your enity I I disagree I I think that at a point I think at a point people do I understand that people can get stuck in like media Bubbles and I need to read through more history so I can find more examples than just Hitler but like I'm sure there are plenty of people that supported Hitler they just like didn't know enough or just didn't have as like an informed opinion but I don't know if that feels any better you know if you're polish or if you're Jewish and you're like saing a camp you're like man you know those citizens were just misinformed I guess um I hear you that's that's why I think things that you do cuz you have a unique ability I'm not blazing you you have something that a lot of people on our side wish we had which is you have a very unique voice and an ability to connect with certain kinds of people that other people like just don't and could never have and it's either it's a Nate to you or you're or it's train or it's a combination and that's why when I see your your comments not that I don't feel some of the anger about the hypocrisy I do I absolutely do I don't necessarily disagree on points of hypocrisy yeah sure I can short tget some of this uh I like I'll continue to try to communicate in the way that I do uh I will never not make fun of people getting [ __ ] by this I it just won't happen that's my line it'll never happen that's the Younger Next Generation can take over for me or whatever but in front of these people I will laugh every [ __ ] time and if you want to talk me out of that it'll happen in 10 or 20 years or it'll be the next whatever streamer that comes along because I am beyond giving a [ __ ] at this point um to treat people that that that don't treat the other side as human uh for them to to gravel and beg for sympathy uh when they have to you know reap what they've sewn so to speak when the roosters have come [ __ ] that I'm so far beyond that so far giving a [ __ ] Beyond any of these [ __ ] losers but go ahead yeahor I ask you a question so and you don't have to answer if you don't want to yeah do you wish the attempt had been successful do I wish that the attempt had been successful uh [ __ ] am I even allowed to say anything about that you don't have to answer that here's what here's what I'll say here this is what I will say I don't I'm trying to fed post whatever here's what I will say a failed attempt is probably the worst outcome of anything that could have happened I'll say that much I disagree I think a successful attempt a s if that had happened well actually hold on we might agree the successful attempt or attempt it wouldn't be an attempt that point the successful uh whatever might be the worst thing could happen but if it was the worst thing it would just be because of like the country's reaction afterwards basically which is possible yeah I mean I mean that's but I've said this before that like the basically the same effect could be achieved if Donald Trump dies of a heart attack it's going to be the same reaction people are going to assume that um yeah he was poisoned or some [ __ ] yeah I think it's a bit of a with respect a copout because I I I think you trying to separate the reaction of it versus what it you know no this these events are inext linked they're they're connected necessarily with people's reactions to them and so in in every possible way I think if the attack had been successful it would have been horrible for this country it would not have made things better the people that you argue with wouldn't have all of a sudden sudden woken up and been like oh I guess the fake elector plot they it would have been I don't know maybe there would have been sure I understand that this is the issue that I'm having I understand you're saying like wow this would be horrible and it I mean it yeah definitely would be but like there's not a would you agree with this okay I'm giving you like one of the worst case scenarios although I will say the Trump presidency I think went worse than any reasonable person could have said would you agree with that that like the Trump president probably was worse than any yeah okay so the Trump president yeah was worse than any reason person could have predicted there is a nonzero chance that Donald Trump becomes president that like Sydney pal is the attorney general and that tomorrow um three or four like leading Democrats end up in jail and we're not allowed to ask questions about that and we just have to like sit in an uncomfortable limbo where that happens and the majority of the Republican Party would support it there's like a nonzero chance that that happens when Trump becomes president like at that point is it like okay well hold on now now I know that you're tweeting out saying that like this is horrible and people need take action but like really like it's just jail like is violence the answer here blah blah like like at what point is your mind does the switch flip for you because for me this the switch flip was I I think the the I think the past cases the Supreme Court cases and the support for it on the Republican party yeah I listen I'm all in on on this constitution in this country so like I'm not going to leave the country and I know I'm about to get to your question I'm about I'm not going to leave the country if Trump gets elected I I think that one of the reasons why I've been calling on Biden to step out is because I think that he doesn't have as good of chance against Trump um as other candidates because I do think that it's possible that Trump gets elected and everything I've said about Trump and the danger he represents to the democracy and Republic is as true as it was the day I said it and some person trying to shoot out at Trump doesn't change that any or anything I said now you've asked me when does your mind flip into okay now we have to start breaking rules out of and get into Dan world there's a reason why saying like breaking rules I'm just saying like having absolutely no sympathy for when some people break them like I still I don't think that people should go like full like I've already said there's like a chain of like you exhaust your legal options then you exhaust like a nonviolent commitment and then if I mean if you have to then you go to the final stage of violent uh protest but well I mean like here's a second right do you and you can tell me if you don't feel this it's possible that you don't feel this you know and and if and if you don't that's I'm not going to judge you if you don't feel it I actually do feel really bad for the family of the people who um who who died right this is a father this is a family person yes he is stuck in his ways or maybe he he said the Putin thing it's like forgive them for they do not know right like how can I be consumed and such that I am changing my behavior their ignorance is shaping my reaction and making me look unhinged because some they has been incredibly hard to get out of for most Maga people that they weren't able to do it by themselves and without help like I feel bad for that family because I know what it is to lose a father I know what it is to to lose a family member and that feeling is universal in what it means to people and so and those of us who know what that is to lose like a family member understand that like failing to people are flawed right people are flawed people have make mistakes in their life I don't think that's a basis for you or for anybody to to take the opportunity in that moment right to do something politically ineffective I don't think so that that's a good idea I mean I probably agree yeah like I said I don't I don't I don't necessarily condone like assassinations or attempted assassination or shooting I don't think it's good I don't think it's good strategy or anything yeah okay but you you um it's not a good idea cuz it's not effective do you actually feel bad I mean think about you have a family like some kids mhm who lost their father that day is there any part of you that feels bad for what they're going through and the sadness there's probably a little part of me yeah yeah I I believe that there is too and so I I actually don't think that you saying that you have you know I don't I feel no [ __ ] about this person I I don't think that that's true I think that there's an anger at the hypocrisy there's an anger at the double standard but I think that that's masking what is I think like a genuine maybe it's deep down there feeling of sympathy for a person whose life was extinguished needlessly and for the wrong reasons and I think that you focusing on you know feeling happy or Vindication at this person's death now you're not going to be able to speak with the same kind of authority on other issues when other [ __ ] happens as you know it will people will direct you to your comments that's fine I don't give a I didn't take anyone seriously before it makes zero difference to me um I think I'm trying to find the quotee in here I don't think I'm going to be able to find it um there is a lady who does like foreign reporting and she traveled through um she traveled through the Middle East and when she was reporting on the Palestinian issue I think it was in the 50s and um something that she said that was interesting about the uh the sympathy that she had for some other people there um I don't know if this is a bit I don't know if this is a bit racist or not because of When It Was Written hopefully not but the um one of the things that she felt after interviewing so many of them cuz she was trying to figure out like why do I feel no sympathy you know for the way these people act and the reason that she felt no sympathy for a lot of them coming away from it was because she realized that they felt no sympathy for any of the Jewish people in the area that I think she Point Blank would ask these people um she would say like well you know why are you fighting it's like well they took our land and we have to fight for it back and blah and she's like well um what do you think they should do and they're like well they should give the land back at least that they took and she was like well if you took land from them would you give it back and then they like scoffed and they laughed and they were like of course we wouldn't give it back and then she writes a little bit about how like then this is when I realize why the sympathy levels are so low and it's because these people have no sympathy for um anybody in the other side of the equation and I think that when I look at the Tres I think like that's the issue that I have that this guy is posting tweets about how you know here are four people save one and it's like AOC Biden and Hillary Clinton and then Putin and he's like I'd save Putin and it's like sh like but hang on that's that's a tweet that I think that okay I I I hear you that's a horrible tweet I disagree with it okay it feels like a tweet that I could imagine you writing sure if it were different people I could see you were putting down on there like um a bunch of hold on just as a real quick just as a real quick sanity check if I got killed somehow before this whole thing if I would have gotten killed somehow three days ago yeah do you not think that basically every single [ __ ] right Wier online like would be yeah they would be celebrating and mean laughing yeah okay just to be ultra clear about that okay yeah but I'm just like focused on how can how can you be the most effective and how can we get to place we want you're bringing up the Palestine Israel example I think that that gets to my point I understand the oh and left leaning people too not just right leaning people sorry my bad go ahead yeah yeah but like look at where we are in that is issue that is one of the most the biggest disasters that there is right now yeah but I think a lot of it has been and I'm probably going a little too far in the other direction I'll course a little bit but I think a lot of it is because uh people that have had certain conservative beliefs have been allowed to have them without being like relentlessly [ __ ] bullied for them and without having like massive cultural correction on these types of beliefs like you should be absolutely [ __ ] shamed for support uh for supporting Donald Trump and that like people are engaging with you and not just letting so much [ __ ] slide such that like we have to have two weeks of conversation about Biden's you know mental faculty while not discussing the fact that for instance like I don't believe and point me to it if I'm missing I haven't searched that hard to be honest point me to I don't think Trump has a like policy platform right now does he is there like a website or somewhere am I missing they release a platform it it's pretty Broad and it's vague and it's and it is very I don't disagree it's cultish to Trump many like this is we're at like unhinged levels of insanity and the constant calls for uh the constant calls that that people are making people like you and people even like me to some extent of like well no we've got to be better we got to be like is I don't think that's tenable I don't think it's realistic to to operate in that environment I don't think anybody can do it I don't think anybody can do it it's possible um something has to change there if I can't do it nobody can do it okay not to suck myself off but like I spent more time in combative spaces than probably almost any other person on the internet that does this type of work uh and if it breaks me there's no [ __ ] shot than an ordinary person uh you know that a that a that a trans person who sees somebody get shot and killed at a [ __ ] Trump rally who had to listen to every single conservative commentator talk about how uh we like trans people are destroying the country and we need to outlaw all trans that those people are supposed to feel sympathy or that uh you know that some kind of immigrant to this country when Trump was saying if you're if you're the descendant of a Mexican a Hispanic you can't be a federal judge uh that you're too biased to do it or that we have to like resend like all the docker protections or that we need to block When Donald Trump came to office remember his goal he wanted to block every single Muslim from coming into this country right that when you have a person like that and people that support him and you're begging people on the other side you're demanding a form of sympathy that the right couldn't muster up in in their wildest fantasies that that do you acknowledge that that position is untenable that will never happen in a in in any real world right it it's untenable in that the the views of the societies are mutually incompatible I agree with you and what's going on and people there are some people who are so dug in that yeah there it is untenable in terms of finding common ground I don't disagree with that but do you remember in Game of Thrones where I think you were talking about Game of Thrones earlier uh Rob Stark is has captured Jamie Lannister and he has his Wolf coming around his says you you insult yourself King Slayer I feel like you insult yourself right now because you say even I can't do this right you even I can't um if I can't do it no one else can you've done it right you've done what people thought was impossible you've converted people wait let me finish this you converted MAA people the reason you gave for sitting down with Nick Fuentes and getting chicken right I excoriated for you Mr girl excoriated you for it the reason you sit down with people who the left forgot the left the people that left didn't want to address was because you spoke their language and you still speak their language because what you're saying right now is getting a reaction and I think deep down you like the reaction sure but hold there's there are there are limits there are limits right I wouldn't be like I can talk to a person who is I think racist and argue with them about like you know race realism I don't know if I could walk onto a plantation and have a conversation with a guy who's like whipping somebody I don't think I could do that I don't think I have it in me to do that maybe not while they're whipping but and maybe not the Whipper but maybe the maybe the person who is the kid of the Whipper right imagine how many people right I think I need to see somebody on the other side like who has influence making the same calls I think that if I saw anybody else anybody else on the other side and not like an ex- Congressman not somebody who doesn't matter anymore who they they've completely all thrown out if I anybody on the other side making those same types of of advocacy movements maybe no I think it might influence me a bit or I think it would but like that side is not only are they not even saying that like this is wrong or too far for a lot of them they don't even accept that it's happened right it's not that it's not even that they're like okay January sure it was like an Insurrection attemp like you got to understand like this is why they it's not even that for a lot of them it's not even that like okay yeah it was a bunch of crazy [ __ ] riots for a lot of them I don't know what it is is if it's 10% or 50% for a lot of them it's there wasn't even any violence it was just reeps that was like instigating it all right so we're not even at the point of them saying like listen don't you think you should temper their side they haven't even acknowledged that it's happened or if if it is happening they're saying it was false Flags where is the um the the Whitmer apologies you know where like it's hard to be in a room with those types of people it's like okay well you got to like talk to them more gently and it's like okay I I don't I don't think you necessarily need to speak well hang on I I don't think you need to speak like their babies cuz I I think that you're right in a lot of these conversations you've had with like kind of very big people you go on there and you just try to be as the politest version of you as possible and it feels bad for you I don't think you need to be um totally hinged right you can be a little bit unhinged but I think that there's a line here for for us to walk to be effective and it's almost like you know Birds when they try to teach their little tiny birds what are they called the I don't know messenger pigeons or I don't I don't birds have young birds that they're bir their name like chicks chicks they're chicks that's the word yeah um when they're trying to teach them to fly it takes a couple times right it takes the practice and the people that you're referencing I know this a little bit condescending sometimes but they literally you you said it yourself they do not have the facts as you do the facts they have are distorted they've been given like the wrong ideas the wrong Impressions they've been intentionally poisoned by the Upstream people and you're pushing them out of the bird nest and be like why aren't you flying and staring down at their like on the ground and asking why they've been unable to fly just like the person the first person you talk to LIT doesn't know anything right not to be like not to be horrible and carry your bird analogy on but like I mean that's part of that's part of birding right is that when you have a flock of birds that the mother will routinely toss sick ones or weak ones out of the nest because they don't want them stealing food from the chicken or the other chicklets or whatever right I mean like no I I get you but don't think about that bird think about the the the million birds in line so you have you're you're mother bird you have million birds in line and the last thing they see is like you [ __ ] idiot chick I can't believe you couldn't fly you okay next like that I think is not a way to communicate necessar where you're going to be at your most effective because when you're at your most effective you're employing convincing rhetoric but you're not shutting yourself off to the other side and I think yes you have a point to be made there's a point here right one of your points is good that is the hypocrisy the double standard I want to bring that out that's totally fine for you to talk about but when you have that to say and you start by making fun of even if you think that it's Justified to make fun of people who die who have the wrong opinion or who have wrong knowledge I you know I'll I'll put that to the side for now no one is actually listening to your point everyone is only listening to your reaction and the emotional nature of your reaction that and I'm not going to belabor it because I think that everything I'm saying are they're not new things that and that you haven't considered or you haven't thought about but that's the only thing I would say is that this election I agree with all you're saying about its importance and about who Trump is for you to be your most effective and for you to get other people out of the Shadows to be on your side I think it requires you to restrain yourself from your deepest impulses from the most unhinged Nebraska Steve you don't have to be totally hinged but pull yourself back from the brink and I would say refrain from making it seem like you want people who haven't committed any crimes killed just because they're trumpers that's the only thing I'd say okay I'll do it uh next election cycle but for this one I don't give a [ __ ] and I don't give a [ __ ] about two sides it anymore so I'll wait till the next election cycle and maybe at that point we either leaving the [ __ ] ho place or we will uh or we'll see for the next candidate who knows I love you buddy be careful byebye