Destiny Crashes Lauren Southern's Panel To Confront Panelist On UK Riots

they were rioting over him being foreign but he's not fore he's born in the UK you keep saying foreign but he was born in the UK just so you guys know what what but the point is he would he would never have been here if Mass immigration if immigration didn't happen you don't even know how his family got here though you don't know what they immigrated under what if they immigrated under a perfectly legal thing what if it was like an asylum Refugee situation you have no idea Point people don't want immigration and and that's why say wait wait wait wait then at least then at least specify that then at least specify that don't say you're opposed to mass immigration just say you're opposed to immigration period you don't want any immigrants oh it's only going to be violence like that's the only way that I can change anything like I totally think they're wrong but that's the mindset that they've been that that they're in now because you've had 20 plus years as you said people constantly voting for migration even Blair in 1997 you know promised to you know lure immigration or certainly wasn't uh you know in favor of of opening the doors um as as he then eventually did past then um so it it is the result these rights would not have existed if the government had just reduced immigration you know cracked down on crime you know stopped The Grooming gangs that were you know in this country for again over 20 years um so this this is all the fault of the government for sure and you know making sure that the people think that they're that they they've got no hope I can't remember who someone said it was the riot to the voice of the unheard or something along those lines I think that's pretty accurate to what we're seeing right now on the streets um I think we have just had destiny join the call I need to fool around and adjust the video here and I'm straight booming because it's been a while since I've used OBS but uh feel free to say hello Destiny and introduce yourself wow hi what's up I'm a YouTuber that does politics sometimes everybody has no idea who you are yeah um okay so sorry actually just give me you guys chat say hello I I need I need a moment hello do we get do we go over the part yet where the starting of these riots was on a fake news event that spread on X yet or have we not no no that's not why the riots started we discussed this discuss this at the top of the hour that's completely untrue really he wasn't here for that wait what part of that was untrue that that the riots was started off by a fake news event on [Music] X at so you were actually at the you were in sou where it I was in South exactly when this happened so could you answer me this question cuz I I saw something about this don't know if it's true the guy turned up with a machete and the police managed to arrest him and presumably he was there to attack the people who were more no uh so he was arrested with a switchblade and he was either a uh white or mixed Grace guy but he was on the side of the uh you know on the side of their protesters um now I don't believe he was you know people said oh you know he was going to attack the vigil again nothing nothing of that side happened um but yeah he was he was posting about how how how awful the Southport attack was on his Instagram on Tuesday so no um no there was no planned machete attack or anything Okie doie so he's a man arrested with a switch knife because we can't have switch knives in this country so wait okay wait wait so tell me what part of this I have incorrect so stabbing happens name of the uh perpetrator can't be released right because of the judge yeah and then on X there's a whole bunch of information posted with a fake name that says he's Muslim y uh there was a visual that was held and then a huge protest happens afterwards outside of a mosque which is for Muslims right you're telling me that these These are totally unconnected so basically basically you got the timeline wrong so um well not the timeline wrong but there are a few sort of details in there which were pretty key so his name wasn't released until uh like Thursday or Friday however um by Tuesday Morning uh now bear in mind the protest right happened 8:00 p.m. so we've got at least between 8 to 12 hours of this coming out um it was identified that he that this was that this was fake news he wasn't Ali something Ali that he was the son of two second gener he was a son of two Randon immigrants so he was a second generation immigrant um born in Cardiff so by that afternoon and certainly everybody I spoke to at the viil people were talking TR it happen before this was known uh no it no it happened afterwards okay so before after this was made public knowledge that is the correction that is when the first violence occurred that's right yes okay why did they why did they decide to do the protest outside of a mosque uh the mosque was just the protest wasn't outside the musk the protest was near exactly where it happened the musk was just on the same street you don't think they were they weren't protesting right outside the Southport mosque no the the the protest moved towards it as I said I was there I saw bricks getting thrown at the mosque um but as as we were discussing earlier on the show the protest and the riot um happened and and was then directed to something more than just you know this stabbing which is why they didn't for example Community Center well because they didn't I don't think they knew initially when was the information released about who the person was officially um so terms of his surname that was released in ter his actual full name was Thursday or Friday but um the attack happened on Monday and I certainly Knew by wait if his full name was released Thursday on Friday and you knew midday but he was identified as being a son of Randon immigrants when by tues didal report about this same thing said it was Rondon immigrants I saw Callum I saw Conor tomlins and everyone on my feed was making it very clear and making posts about this was well L link me the earliest well you're confused because you haven't read anything outside of your media sphere because literally every single person saw this news explode outside yeah Stephen Stephen your claim is that it's my media sphere that spread a lie that caused these riots and I'm saying within my media sphere what I'm following that was not the impression of people and and people already apologized byday that doesn't it doesn't matter you you guys know that better than anyone else at a retraction on Tuesday doesn't matter if fake news was spread on Monday the um the protest happened outside of a mosque and you're telling me that that had nothing to do with the fact that on X initially everybody thought that the perpetrator was Muslim that it was just a coincidence this isn't this isn't just an issue don't don't just don't do the just thing I know that you want to blow it up about all of immigration because when it's nice and hazy it doesn't there's no actual fact course it's all connected but there was there was ational to pretend it's not there was an inciting moment for this Riot yes that inciting moment was people thinking that the perpetrator was a Muslim no do you agree with that or not so does everyone here disagree with that oh hi Pisco Pisco yourself so people know ibody yo uh sorry I can't be on video but I have to do it through my phone but I really appreciate being on um yeah I'm a lawyer from America so happy to discuss these these issues and um I know some stuff about immigration in America so I'm sure the issues in UK are very different but I I try to stay a prized of what's going on there and you know follow the politics at least somewhat closely but yeah thanks for having me on but my question is like does everyone here agree or disagree with what Stephen just said which was was the inciting incident of these riots based on a lie related to a Muslim immigrant or not well I trust the guy who was there yeah I trust the guy who was there and also I saw wait wait wait when you say you trust the guy there you understand he has every incentive to lie about it right what do you mean why would you say you trust the guy do you trust all the BLM riders that were there that's not even a real statement jack isn't just trusting there I've been friends with him for over 10 years so yeah he's a good guy wa wa wait wait wait so just curious cuz I don't know his Twitter if I were to bring up his Twitter account and I would to look is it going to be filled with wall toall like farri anti-immigration stuff or is it just going to be like oh a neutral Observer journalist that covers a bunch of different things just curious ja Lally okay okay then there you go so then yeah so nothing he says I'm not going to take him I'm not going to take him at face value you see the videos that I saw and again I I was also there and also they literally attacked me for being a journalist afterwards who is there so the ins inent not impressed people yeah at the Riot by them for being a journalist so if if anything I have an incentive to make them look as bad as possible Jack what was the inciting incident if it wasn't this lie because he was he was a second generation immigrant and so therefore it's connected to immigration he wasn't here what was but in this entire event this series of events would you agree or would you not agree that it was based on a lie no no I don't no we have all said we don't agree that that's the case if you look protest what else would have started it if not this so this was one the telegraph report he was a Rwandan immigrant didn't the first protest happen on July 30th no wait um yes yes it of the time but that was that was when this came out so the let me just get the date so yeah there was it was the 29th of July uh when when it actually happened the attack then it was July 30th which is the next day uh at 8:00 P.M when the protest happened but by then as Callum rightly pointed out the telegraph reported that he was a son of son of Rwandan immigrants so the the anti-muslim sentiment generated by the fake news story in your opinion had nothing to do with the protests no it has to do with the terrorism and grooming gangs those those accusations hang on The Grooming gang's accusations also relate to anti Muslim sentiment correct whether rightly or wrongly wouldn't you agree that the grooming gangs epidemic that you're pointing to relates to Muslim immigrants primarily that's the accusation right yeah so the event is because is that yes but nothing to do with fake news does relate anusim attitudes I'm gonna talk so the event is because he's a son of immigrants Muslims are also immigrants the UK they have engaged in horrific acts these are why these two are connected in these people's eyes because they're both IM migrant groups so yes but that's because they're foreigners and the killer was a foreigner and there's a lot of problems with foreigners in the UK that's how this played out as I said the protest started said the inciting incident for the protests was the stabbing on Southport but the protest pretty immediately became and then as they spread across the country became a wider anti-immigration protest which is why they attacked a mosque on Tuesday which is why they attacked a corner shop on Tuesday you know that this is why they've gone after a Asylum hotels they've attacked police stations because this has become part of a wider anti-immigration protest and they've gone for all of the things which they see as being part of being part of that wider problem I don't understand how if you have a problem with like Muslim grooming gangs why is it that a Christian second generation immigrant stabbing somebody would cause people to Riot outside of a mosque could you connect that for me because it's all connected it's all correlated you have mass immigration occurring or you have mass islamization of the UK occurring as a result of mass immigration as well so protesting outside of mosque is linked to a protest against Mass immigration obviously and mus and Muslims of course you didn't have a ton of Muslims in the UK pre Mass immigration okay wait but you understand that if you had no Muslims in the UK this same event would have still happened well yeah but then they would have targeted something else that was a symbol of foreignness it just happens to be that you don't believe that that's this isn't true that's not true either because if you had no Muslims in the UK you probably had stricter immigration policy much stter over the years which probably would have resulted in this family not even being there well aren't these people like literally refugees from like the Rwanda genocide or some [ __ ] listen he's killing kid so he doesn't everyone claims Refugee status right now hold wait was R genocide that wasn't a legitimate thing to claim Refugee status from they're just economic migrants I'm saying that when we talk about whether or not Refugee should be in the country we're not talking about it I a very specific question we don't have to broaden it very question also say I don't know about these people specifically but I do remember that the people who some of the people who are responsible for implementing the Rwanda genocide I believe came to Britain uh after 1994 I I may be wrong on that somebody can fact check me but I do believe that happened can somebody I'm not saying that about this family specifically somebody link real quick when was the first time on telegram or whatever the name of the the real name was published can somebody link that in this wait where did you where did you get the information that the their family were were um refugees um I somebody I just I read it on I don't know if it or not that's asking I can't find it anywhere okay I was under the impression that he came from Randa I haven't had a ton of di in this story so that's why I'm ask that doesn't mean he's a refugee no he he's second generation so he wouldn't be a refugee doesn't his parents were refugees it doesn't necessarily mean that's just send it send it over here if it is cuz I can't find maybe it is maybe it is I can't find anything on it we don't know if he's a ho or Tosi exactly we do know one thing right folks wait but then also real quick wait just somebody I don't know if it's um sour or Lauren or somebody can somebody link the first time in telegram I want to see a post on July 30th in telegram saying that um that the guy is not like a Muslim person I Sor the the telegraph or Telegraph Daily Telegraph July 30th another good point from the chat is if they were refugees from the Rwandan Genocide they should have gone home 20 years ago I don't you res at least in the united in the United States and I'm sure uh because United States has adopted a lot of these foreign treaties which um would provide for these procedures in in many different countries the it's a pathway to citizenship Asylum status is a you know you get a green card in the United States and so just because you're but hang on at least in the United States if and and the United States is very when we had a bunch of us salvadorians come because of an earthquake later on they had to get an can you turn up your mic Sean you're very quiet in the United States Asylum is a pathway to a green card that's a fact not all the time it's it's a fact my friend it's a fact Asylum status can get you an adjustment of status which will give you a green card and give you a pathway to citizenship it's Asylum is for persecution and that will give you a pathway to citizenship in most cases some people are ineligible to apply for citizenship for other reasons but that's just is the case and so you saying well all ases or all refugees should go back home that defeats the purpose of a lot of Asylum laws at least in the United States I mean Asylum is different from Refugee status but like the definition of refugee is consist at least in America is consistent and actually the Asylum processes map on to the the processes or at least the definition of refugee for purpose of of their um their procedures one thing I want all of us to agree on though regardless of your stance on immigration is the riots should be condemned is that fair everyone should condemn the violence that's going on right now in the UK can I get everyone on the record condemning the violence yeah you shouldn't be burning stuff everybody like knows that awesome Lauren do you agree yeah don't burn stuff but I'm not against protesting I'm certainly not against the people protesting but you're against them using violence and the people who are deploying violence it's it's illegitimate right I am against violence yes but like this is just like a do the do the rounds do the disavows this is actually addressing any no I'm glad that you just abouted Lauren and ajw and Callum you would disavow this and uh sour evil you would also disavow the violence and condemn legally as British people we can't support it well I'm just asking would you condemn it that means no will you will you will you right now condemn the violence yes or no gosh yeah but what's the point in asking I legally can't say if I did I'm just asking you will yes affirmatively condemn it yes what's the point in asking I would go to jail well you could just say no answer it's like when when I had that chat about the Trump stuff with Destiny his whole audience were so upset they're like oh by asking these questions of whether he supports the attempted assassination or not Lauren's trying to get him banned off social media by pushing Callum on this you could literally be trying to put him in jail that's what he's saying only if his answer he doesn't have to give an answer he could say I'm not gonna answer that question or that's a stupid question or you know who are you to ask me that kind of thing there are a lot of ways that he could say he literally couldn't so he it's a pointless question he couldn't do had a person on who supported the riots can't just sit and Dodge the question because again they're looking for people to put in jail right now and we don't have free speech rights okay I mean I I think it would be something like on it no because maybe he has a Nuance dancer on it which is very possible where it's like I condemn this or that but I support this or that and that could face jail time and that's insane do you condemn that that question now he couldn't say that he's literally saying that well I I heard him say yes I condemn it we don't let's say there's an aspect life it's horrible and bad and when minorities or or whatever then it's the voice of the unheard we all agree with that hang on no one said that we supported riots I think you have on this called Stephen who yeah I think he's that's called projection that's called projection what he just and got banned for saying that he he was totally against the violence that was going on I certainly was against the violence so so was Joe Biden who I support I will sort of say there have been a number of uh people who who are on the left certainly uh including like the guardian uh and there's been other commentators Paul Mason uh in I'll have to get these people's names up specifically but you can see how they reacted in 2011 to the London riots which was caused because uh there there was there was a uh there was a Gangland member who was shot by the police and that's started riots all across the country you these people in 2011 at the time were saying again Riot to the language of the unheard this is you know actually you know actually we need to defend the riers you know they started doing films about oh how we need to re how the riers look yeah but I'm saying obviously now like now we know that you're not saying this but certainly a number of people on the British left right now who are saying that you know we need to send the Army in have been had the complete opposite opinion when it comes to you know leftwing violence I think that's fair I mean I not going to deny it in America there have been a lot of people who I think have had an about face on this and depending on who the person is perpetrating it I I agree there's hypocrisy but I don't think we should be victims of that hypocrisy and I think we should stand up and like if there are people causing disorder and rights like I think that what starmer said was who can have a problem with it I mean you guys pointed to I thought I saw you guys do the comparison shots between the BLM protests and his response to that versus the the riots that are going on now but can't you see like a difference in supporting peaceful protest versus violent riots and do you think that starmer actually would equivocate between those two I don't understand what the point of this is the point of what of these question it's to make sure that we're all like understanding what's legitimate what's illegitimate you know a few weeks ago we had an assassination attempt on a former president of United States and now I'm going to go at Stephen I think he was a little bit weak on it at first and I I think it's just important every time these things happen for us to don't rot me in don't wrote me in you're CU cry okay absolutely not don't wrote me your cuck okay well well hang on so now I am going to go after you because you did say and actually you doubled down before uh I think a week ago when I asked you would you still say that it's okay to burn down a police station in response to police or I don't know police brutality and you said yeah it would be and so now I'm going to go after you do you think it would be the hold on first of all a couple weeks ago you asked me if I supported the particular burning down of a particular which I don't ever remember doing what I said was I or I don't I don't I don't remember supporting a particular one the line of question that was given from chat and and I'm I think I still feel the same was that if you indeed do if it gets to the point where you want to Riot and you want to get violent or whatever I don't think you should ever Riot against private property but if you want to ride against public property it makes more sense because this would be the target of your ey because you feel like whatever uh you know it's the it's the government that's [ __ ] you over whatever pretty sure those were all of my statements you can look it up and find something that contradicts it uh I don't think I've ever like said in particular this police station should be burned out or this thing pretty sure all I've ever said if you are going to write destroy stff it should at least be public property not private property pretty sure those would you support or would you not support the burning down of police station and BLM it would it would depend on the circumstances like um like random burning down a public property or random burning down probably not but like theoretically let's say there was some police station and there was like a lynching of like two black people and the local cops exonerated all their own people and they said well nothing happened and like everybody saw the recordings whatever people decided to RI or whatever it escalated some violent [ __ ] they burn it down I don't know I don't I don't know if I feel as bad about that like it makes more sense there but I mean the I mean so who are you to talk down to like these people then I guess if they they feel that immigration has like I totally disagree with them I think they're stupid as hell but they feel like their country is being away from them that's the same kind of sentiment that I'm hearing from them yeah but my issue is they're always too spineless to just admit what they don't like they try to pretend that it's about immigration or they try to pretend that it's about Muslims it's about brown people like if they just said that I'd have more respect for it like brown people are scary I don't like the fact there are so many of them immigrating to this country first of all the article that you link me says nothing about this person being Christian whatsoever so it just says that uh he was originally from cardif and that he moved there with red parents when he was age six so nothing in this article is about being Christian okay number one wff okay yeah but that's my issue is that if people would just be honest and people just say listen these people are you know the mass Brown migrants are going to destroy our culture or whatever then like okay fine I get it but they don't they hide behind like all this other like cring [ __ ] like this guy earlier was just saying like well they happen to be protesting near a mosque and some of them might have thrown bricks through the window but it wasn't about protesting outside the mosque originally like bro if you're going to burn down a police station say it if you're going to throw bricks into a mosque say you're there to protest the mosque like don't like mince words Stephen are you like you just said if you're scared they're going to change their the culture how would they change the culture how would they do that how would all these Brown immigrants change the culture I I can't I'm I'm not a racist so I can't compute the question are you how Muslims could change the culture is that the is that the question you're you guys are just afraid of brown people and then you said it's all about these brown people changing the culture like you said it earlier when you're like Mass migration and Muslim they go together and it's like what what right well then how so how would the brown people change the culture how would the brown people change the culture I don't know how are you asking how Muslims would change the cult is it because maybe there are other factors than just immigrants being Brown there could be and maybe that's people's main issue which is why people were protesting outside a mosque and not just outside random Brown people's houses do you understand that when a Christian does a terror attack and the response is we're going to protest outside of a mosque and the only thing linking these two things together is that Muslims tend to be brown and the attacker was brown that doesn't help your argument right two two things that people dislike about Mass immigration is when they stab children and also when they change the religious Dynamic of the country to something that this guy was a Christian Church go yeah well he St that is not in line with British culture values well technically I mean knife attacks is stabing seem to be pretty British to me but um the I mean like what does that have to do with protesting outside of a mosque because both foreign it's not that they're brown it's that they're foreign they're not English are you like part of the Church of England or what is the what was the British say when they broke up with the Catholic Church what they again s Source on the on on the guy being a Christian Church goer so I'll pick you up on something first Destiny and I don't think maybe this is not your fault but you said it doesn't say in that article that he's Christian no one said that it was released that he was Christian it was released he was the son of rwandans Randa was like 99% Christian that's where that comes from it's not in the article they said it was Christian there was Randon simple mathematics says that he's Christian do do so do you think that when it was released was re you don't think there's like a heavy Association going on with like if it's again if it's 99% Christian why was the protest outside of a mosque because they're both foreign the United Kingdom doesn't work like the United States where you guys talk about race so much we talk about ethnicity and if you're not English you're not from England you're foreign part of the massive vote for brexit for example in 2016 was about white migration coming here Europeans largely being Eastern Europeans again it's it's that instance and while part of the wider discussion about immigration were not massively concerned about race when you talk to people it's about foreigners now being you said itely so sorry okay wait so it's it's about ethnicity and it's about being English what does English mean what does the English ethnicity to you what do we just to make sure we're on the same so the English are an ethnic group they live in England mostly the diaspora is a little bit around the world like all other ethnic groups is this like Anglo-Saxon or what do we what is a well in the same way sorry sorry are you denying that English exists as an ethnic group because I don't know how I'm going to be totally honest people use Nation race and ethnicity in like tons of different ways I've never heard of the English ethnicity before I think I've heard of anglo-saxon before but I I'm just I'm just trying to understand what you're saying I'm not even I'm not trying to poke fun of or make I'm just not sure when you say English ethnicity I'm not sure what that ethnic group or what you're referring to I'm just curious like a more particular Scots are up north it's not hard the Irish have their own Island the Welsh are from Wales this isn't got the English Welsh Scots and the Irish on this archipelago so do you guys think that England okay wait wait okay wait okay so okay so when you talk about English Welsh Irish or Scottish is that is do you consider that another ethnic group in the UK different okay all right okay I don't know I'm just like I said I don't know we use ethnicity even between Canada and America I think we use ethnic ethnicity and race different okay so are you telling me when you guys are trying to get the reduction of immigrants coming to the country do you feel as strong about white immigrants Brown immigrants Catholic immigrants and Muslim immigrants so put defition of an ethnic group in the chat if you can I mean like as Callum was saying like the brexit vote in 2016 was driven primarily by you know concerns of immigration from the rest of Europe you know a lot of people are saying you know polls Romanians who were the most of the people coming over to the UK for work and obviously it was you know people's concerned about about about um jobs and wages and so people work concerned about people coming from Europe who looked you know just as white quote unquote as you or I um so that's why you know that's why so so the UK immigration stuff hasn't been you know um racially quot unquote based for for a while that's a simplification I mean they were also concerned about quote unquote sovereignty and the the power of Brits to control themselves and wait one final question one final question have there ever been like riots or anything outside of Catholic churches yeah there were fights with Polish immigrants if I remember correctly because there were polish gangs I think it was in Boston can you can can you make me a story about like a like a vandalization or something of like a Catholic church has happened in the last few years I'm just kid I see it you have to go and find it because it was what about that's that's about 10 years ago we're talking now but the the discussion isn't about is it white or black is our point and it's obvious that if you're a different skin tone it gives away more likely that you're a foreigner or foreigners that's just how things but the idea that it's it's not about all foreigners is not untrue the problem specifically with certain communities like Muslims is that their crimes are a lot worse than po so as our friend mentioned here the concern with Eastern European migration was wages jobs housing things like this but when it comes to people from Pakistan it's about the [ __ ] up views they have about age of consent for example the the crimes much worse in that particular community and therefore that's what's caused these T do you think they should be deported we have a Pakistani we have a Pakistani rapist who's been here for n years after do you believe that they should on mass be deported yeah okay you believe on mass you believe Pakistani UK citizens should be thrown out of the country is that right I was talking about rapists no but just in general non- rapists well my position is that if they don't have citizenship we should let their visas expire and not issue reanneals of visas or new visas because we have too many immigrants should UK citizens who have Pakistani Heritage should they be removed from the country if they have UK citizenship you can't legally do it I'm not asking if you can legally do it I'm asking should they be should they make it legal to do so Parliament can make it legal to do so I suppose they could make it legal to do so um they should should they yes or no I just said they shouldn't why not because it would cause chaos and we don't need it but don't you agree that they're destroying the character of the UK they're not English so the problem we have in the UK is the large numbers of people are coming in as Lawrence pointed out Luton for example the reason it's changed so much is not because you have 10 guys who turn up who are foreign it's because you have thousands sure this would reduce a lot of the numbers right if you let's say 80% of them you get 80% out would you that the problem the problem we have is people who have come since 1997 it's a very short period of time uh it's about 10 million people and if you just not allow them to renew their visas or issue new visas for new people coming in those numbers will get back to levels in 1997 we didn't have these problems in 1997 so we will return to that time in regards to race relations I'm sorry is this PCO talking right now yeah yeah yeah sorry okay who's got the loading screen on that's loner box he's also okay can you shut off your video if it's just going to be that little loading thing yeah dip [ __ ] um I turn off it's not off click the turn off button dumb ass give me a minute this is the Scottish ethnicity showing through Cal it seems like the issue that you're identifying with with the proposal that I just like put forward was Logistics like it would just be it would cause too much trouble to deport millions of UK citizens but in principle you wouldn't have an issue with it if it were painless what to engage in force migrations to to deport UK citizens who have Pakistani Heritage we just don't need to do it whether you need to or not you're you're saying that the numbers are a big problem it's a numbers game and so you know who cares if it's if they're Visa holders or UK citizens yeah maybe one's easier one's not as easy but why not just get them all out well you can make a good case if they've committed crimes so for example the guy I mentioned he raped women I believe it was Ram served his sentence but has Pakistani and British citizenship and so we've been trying to get rid of him and 9 years after his sentence has already been served he's still not been deported level problem we're dealing with to be clear so you would you would agree then there therefore that UK citizens who have English Heritage ethnicity let's say should not be deported somewhere else right but UK citizens who have Pakistani Heritage maybe they should be deported who do crimes I mean I mean if UK citizens commit crimes we should lock them up no but should we Deport with that right that's how was made whether that's how Australia was made or not you would agree wouldn't you that we shouldn't Deport UK citizens who have English Heritage just because they commit crimes that's fair right but but hang on I mean Deport the entire point of what mentioned somebody who has jeel citizenship can be deported I was deported my grandmother is English and I was deported just for questioning Mass migration so clearly this is a very possible thing to do wrong like if you don't have a good reason to engage in for wait wait also wait hold on wait Lauren you don't have English British citizenship well I am British eth ethnicity stop the English the ethnicity not the British okay don't mix your words up don't accidentally okay show your ass okay no the English was the ethnicity you didn't have British citizenship you can't be I don't know if that even counts as Deport any the point is just wanted just wanteded to tell her story about having her Free Speech suppressed the point is it's very easy to prevent people from coming into the country for a lot less than stabbing little children and running around calling for Sharia law they could do it very possible they choose not to why didn't the conservatives do it great question they suck they're not actually conservatives that's why they got voted out in Mass because everyone wanted an actual conservative party and they didn't get it and now Nigel faraj is going to be the opposition because he's the only one that's actually representing but it sounds like the people don't and this is this is one of my big problems with these riots is because the people don't support the policies that you're asking for you you you point to brexit and yeah you got brexit but brexit there were a lot of people who were voting for brexit for a lot of different reasons not the least of which were I think some lies and and now we see sort of the consequences of it but nobody there's there's no humongous support for uh reform or for Nigel farage's policies at the moment he got what most people most people in countries want to limit immigration like this is popular the vast majority of the UK has has always had a majority in favor of limiting immigration nobody has ever voted for Mass migration even though every party since Blair has done it since 1997 nobody has ever voted in favor of opening the doors the world every single time every single time A party's won election since 1997 they have won it on a pledge to reduce migration or at least you know crack down on Bard security so the people have overwhelmingly voted for the my literally my entire lifetime you know to shut down migration and I know you said brexit was built on some lies but again the primary factor driving brexit was concerns over immigration that was the number one thing why people voted brexit which is why you saw in various polls you know as Boris got into power in 2019 you know immigration dropped as kind of savings because they thought oh brexit is now like is now fixing it but now immigration now popped up on people's issues again because Boris ironically with the conservatives over the past five years has led in even more migrants than Blair did almost almost during his entire period you people be talking about the Boris wave the amount of new migrants who've come in literally just over the past four or five years you paint it as an all or nothing but it's not like that you know people want immigration to some extent but not other extents there like people want taxes to some extent but not the full extent and so you painting it as well people are in favor of limiting immigration yeah that's that's true and here in the America you know we have Democrat and Republican party who are both running on um limiting immigration more that's true but no one is proposing things like what Callum is proposing where we're just like getting rid of all of our Visa programs um you know the most that we've done is like close down the Customs Union right and but no one is talking about the kind of policies I think that you guys are proposing so the conservative you know as well just so you know as well like the labor party did not run on tens of thousands net migration or capping or anything like that and they got the biggest Landslide since the 1800s right they got the biggest majority since the 1800s uh we don't typically have referenda on every key policy that's why you can have a situation where most people support nationalizing the railways but we don't vote in a government that does it same with immigration you can look at our attitudes like I think you said a majority of people want to limit immigration to some degree I mean that's true but that attitude's also been dropping since the 1960s in the UK overall and the same and compared to the rest depending on how you ask the question it goes down even lower so yeah that's the reform they ran on a very loud very clear anti-immigrant first campaign they won five seats four of which are like 94% white which is way above the national average which is but but but reform then came in second in vote share sorry same sorry came third in vote share uh gained more votes than than uh than ukip ever did came second in around a 100 or so constituencies and of course more people would be voting reform if they voted in a political systems such just PR where they thought oh you know because a lot of people would not be voev voting reform because they didn't have a chance and if you're going to say that labor you know won this you know massive majority you know actually not to do with immigration you know turnout was down way down to around 52% which is the lowest turnout we've seen since around 2001 2005 labor did not win the election the conservatives lost the election the conservatives support in so many constituencies like the labor vote barely moved at all it's just the conservative vote absolutely plummeted because everybody who supported the conservatives who supported them reducing immigration you know for again when they've been in power for you know the past 15 14 15 years when they didn't do it their voters decide well eff it I'm not going to turn out and support the conservatives because they're not implementing the policy that we want them to do that's why labor won because their support remain pretty much the same the conservatives I'm the fact is is that everyone in the UK knows that that's the electoral system that we signed up to when we had the election every party ran their strategies and their campaigns based on winning seats not winning popular vote uh the reform vote share by the way was like I think they won maybe 200,000 votes more than uh ukip did like in 2016 it wasn't even that much of a surge but again turnout was low there was a party there with a very loud voice Nigel farage gets disproportionate representation on question time and everything else saying I'm going to stop immigration like the conservatives didn't and yeah like you said turnout was low so yeah this want to change system you can advocate for that and get my point was you can't use reform being up 14 15% of the vote chair to say that oh only this percentage of people support reforms policies I'm saying more people would have support a reform if we were in a PR system that's my point you just can't say that because they only got X number of votes that means it's only only that percentage of the population who actually supports them rather than it would had a ref we had a referendum on changing the vote system and we voted against it we had that 10 years ago I mean we can have another one if you want but yes please you think our democratic system is like illegitimate now or is that yes okay well the alternative vote well the alternative vote one wasn't even PR the alternative vote system would have helped the lib Dems more as the third party so that was just a purely selfish system should prob explain how how broken the British system is for the Americans so you guys get to vote for both of your Chambers you get to vote for the head of state and some local stuff as well so we in the UK we don't get to vote for our equivalent of the Senate they're just appointed we don't get to vote for our president they just become the biggest uh party's leader in uh the election for the representatives so we have very little in terms of democracy we love the referendum I'll be honest that's probably the best time I've ever had in terms of being proud of we had an economic sorry a democratic system since then they tried to overthrow that referendum which caused a lot of problems and why Boris ended up winning so democracy in the UK is kind of a Cham I mean it's hold on you have a different just because you have a different system doesn't mean it's not a democracy right it is a form of democracy but it's super rigged I mean one of the funny things about people rebelling against that is in the United States for example you guys are stuck with a two- party system and that's somewhat tolerable because it's first past the post and you're in the two party we used to be there and it sort of made sense again you know full well of the problems that brings but in our current age the public no longer vote as if it's a first past the post system they say screw it and vote as if we live in a proportional representation multi-party democracy because they just want change and by result even though uh K got the most seats he got 33% of the vote which is buger all especially in British politics wait but I mean like I don't I don't understand when you say he got 33% of the vote was this because of how you guys do like districting or whatever or because in the United States this exact same thing happens too like our president that you said that we get to directly elect we don't really directly re elect them our states do that's why Republicans win elections even though they lose the popular vote over and over and over and over and over again yes you have your problems but we don't even get that access at all is my point can I say something on the buildup to this because this was very important and and our friend was bringing that up which is that in 1997 so once upon a time I decided to sit and look at every election Manifesto of uh the win of the election going back over 20 years so in 1997 the discussion on immigration used to be we didn't have a problem with immigration so they would just talk about what they called Asylum shopping so this was someone who would get to Greece and then claim asylum in the UK we're familiar with this now but back then it was kind of a quirk only a few tens of thousands of people did it then up to the 2010s it becomes more of an issue on 20110 the David Cameron government wins on the pledge to basically put in a hard cap of under 100,000 he said reduce migration to tens of thousands that's where our friend L got that say from and ever since if you look at every conservative part Manifesto where they won the election they say the same thing right up until Boris Johnson where they kind of gave up and just said we will control it and then they massively expanded it so yes the public have voted for this policy and it has been ignored just just quickly jumping in on that as well even labor voters major as a majority support luring immigration can you link a poll on that just curious I want to say that cuz everything I see for like immigration Britain seems to have it like 50/50 if it's what it feels like in terms of whether too many immigrants here or not so it's kind of weird if even labor supports it who the who are all these people there I will just say and labor in the last specifically one labor specifically said to promise cut to promise to cut net migration to the UK did not set an overall Target so labor specifically as well uh said that they would and I'll find a find a polling on that as well quick fact check the Manifest quick question when did you say the name was released of the boy who did the stabbing Tuesday no sorry no name name released was Friday Thursday Friday but knew he was Randon was it August 1st uh some sometime around that um now so think the chat was it August do you know know it to be August 1st or do you not know it to be August 1st uh in terms of when in terms of when the name was released I know it was like Friday Saturday sometime around that or Thursday it it was towards the end of the week if the point is you're saying it was after the first Riot then yeah that's what I'm saying yeah yeah but we already knew his name his it was he was identified as the son of of two Randon immigrants on Tuesday morning which is which is which which was J I just ask a question um I ask you can cut through all of this really really easily I just want to ask um oh sorry um after you ask this I just want to give Shawn a chance to respond because his audio is a little low and he hasn't been able to get in but yes go ahead oh I just wanted to ask do we all agree that the people who did those riots were more likely to be getting their information from accounts like Tommy Robinson's or X accounts than they were from the BBC Telegraph Etc why is everyone so quiet do we agree or not because almost obviously certainly Yes again TT on Tuesday morning you know Twitter on Tuesday morning already and Tommy Robinson ET said were already saying that again as can says the youth who cannot be named for legal reasons and is originally from Cardiff moved to the Southport area with his Randon parents when he was age six on that side of Twitter tegram by Tuesday Morning this was already spreading and people were well aware of this certainly by tomm Robinson Tommy Robinson first when he mentioned that they spoke about Rwanda and parents Tommy Robinson just said it was gaslighting and didn't elaborate that's what his tweet said um do we did we all watch the video that the gas people were talking about care about the Tommy Robinson video the mass the gaslighting people were talking about is when the mainstream media came out and said he was Welsh or which UK born yes that they described him he isuk the gaslighting we have heard has been you guys saying well he's the son of refugees and he's a Christian do you have any confirmation on that for all of the getting upset about what was specifically said by people who was no one in this call what about you guys and all the you're talking about I mean both Sten and PCO have been like Christian wait wait hold on yeah this is about what was going on in the media sphere about the R I haven't covered this I haven't give a about any going in the media sphere he was well she was UK born those both of those statements are true a white guy yeah but if you leave out the other details you're surey wait were there people reporting this who were leaving out the other details are people who were remarking how funny it was to be throwing bricks at a mosque because a Welsh born Christian went and stabbed people why why he's a Christian Christian source source is Christian please okay on one so so what you're saying so what you're saying now on the Christian Point shows the whole game right you're saying it's not even confirmed now if he's Christian is that right yes no corre I thought I already linked something in this Discord yes or no you just said yes or no that even now we don't know that he's Christian is that correct yes when when the of Christian Muslim stuff was being Ted hang on a given that the fact that it was released that he was Rwanda on Tuesday that's you what you say by the way we have no to that reach Mass um you know information or that it was reported by credible sources or anything like that the fact that you're saying now that it's not confirmed that he's Christian you would agree therefore that the first Riot occurred before that information was released and when it was under the impression that he was that no no no it was on Tuesday it was on Tuesday the telegraph reported we we've linked you this in the chat we've talked about it on Tuesday the telegraph reported he was a son of two Rwandan immigrants but you said that that isn't confirmed for even for you that he's Christian is that fair but there nothing to do whether he's Christian or not we've established people weren't people weren't rioting over him being Christian they were rioting over him being foreign but he's not foreign he's B in the UK you keep say foreign but he was born in the UK so you guys know what what the point is he would he would never have been here if Mass immigration if immigration didn't happen you don't even know how his family got here though you don't know what they immigrated under what if they immigrated under a perfectly legal thing what if it was like an asylum Refugee situation you have no idea Point people don't want immigration and and that's why saying wait at least at least specify that then at least specify that don't say you're opposed to mass immigration just say you're opposed to immigration period you don't want any immigrants no immigrants at all refugees all nothing no immigrants at all you want any IM IM you're you're appealing to popular opinion popular opinion when it comes to limiting immigration people might say they want immigration reduced people don't say stop them all coming as far as we know about Christianity I think there was one uh to tabloids I think like trt said that the people in the local community said that the parents were regular church goers and they were Christian that's what they said as far as we know these parents like they were from a quiet community they didn't they hadn't really done anything I don't think they were refugees they came in 2002 which probably just means they were regular migrants but I don't know what's the claim here like you understand that any demographic ever is going to have some people who commit crimes the amount of crime being committed by specific demographics it's a little uneven but before we continue I do uh Stephen you're really good at Trav you could yeah I will but could could anyone I really want to get Sean's mic audio up does anyone know what he needs to do I am way too much of a turn his G up maybe yeah well the problem is he's using the streamer mic which is the sm7b it might get do you have a cloud lifter attached to it yeah okay you do is the gain on the uh on your mixer or your interface turned up let me find that hold on probably that's it wait what what is that is out wait wait what are you plugged into try and off again sir is somewhere find it but it's definitely there hold on let me find it I'll turn that up I didn't think of that said said what while this is all being debated there people saying talking about Christianity and then that what you know well well when was the last time a Christian for religious reasons blew up an arena when was the last time a what talking about the Manchester bombings yeah okay I don't I have no idea they don't okay getting l or lower Lauren Lauren a little bit before just before I jumped on you said that it looks like uh what Stephen made a joke about stabbing being a British thing you say it looks like it is now where what were you referring to there am I getting lower or higher you about how it looks like have gone up as a result of M I just think it's funny that you me it's funny that you mentioned that because like as far as stabbing it's being a problem in the UK the worst time we had stabbing and when we were the [ __ ] knife murder capital of Europe was in like the mid 2000s in [ __ ] Glasgow like a majority white pasty [ __ ] population that's when we had the back when people like uh in that in that Community had like a life expectancy that for men it was like 54 or something like lower than the Gaza Strip that was actually when we had it worse with knife crime I mean you can send me that data I'd be happy to look at it but and I mean there was a time known as the troubles where there were bombs going off and terrorism happening and so like let's not pretend that this is a a I agree there's a problem with terrorism in the in the Islamic world but like what are we talking about here are we literally talking about shutting down all immigration are you in favor of laws that stop all immigration including Asylum yes or no and that's to Callum and I'm Sor I keep forgetting your name so s evil and Jack you're in favor of stopping all immigration right now for you to tell me if I'm getting higher or lower a little bit a little higher a little higher higher higher a little higher wheel is it too loud now no no wait what what are you turning the wheel on what are you plug a doohickey I need the name of it what what are you plugged into is it red what color is it show me it pick it up it's blue I have a doohickey I left my red one is that an H1 whatever H4 you're using an XLR to USB with an inline um [ __ ] converter where's your cloudlifter show me Jesus Christ is it it's a regular cloudlifter it doesn't have dongles on it it looks like oh no I can't BL Cloud lifter I'm using it am I [ __ ] do Cloud lifters need phantom power to work what's none of us non streamers know what the [ __ ] you should know there you [ __ ] no they don't need F and power I don't think would be [Applause] it's I have a cloud lifter it lifts wait why can't I be hurt I don't understand you're you're a little better I don't know how but you are a little better because somewhere between your cloud there's a was it a no yes hold on [ __ ] you guys do need power to work it's it needs power it it adds gain how would it work otherwise just an ex some power you am I louder than everyone you don't do you does your little does the inline thing that you have built does it have a plus 48 V switch on it somewhere no I don't have that whatever okay your [ __ ] is [ __ ] phantom power power and phantom power not the what else would you be excuse me if you're talking about power for a mic first of I said phantom power but secondly what else would you be talking about it's cable they don't carry power to it of course you're talking about pH power otherwise right wait hang on wait wait wait Cloud lifters you talking about the M okay they're like they're little they're clean but is it a preamp I think yeah listen you should what's your favorite amplifier guys Hy th obviously I don't I don't know may never got out stage also also wait as just a quick as a quick real fact check by an American patriot who is white um would we talk about Christians bomb [ __ ] wasn't there like a whole thing with Ireland for a little bit where they were kind of blowing [ __ ] up all the time they're friends now believe it or not oh well so so they been change amazing all right as capital of Europe now are hang hang on like couple things pull up there firstly like Northern Ireland just looks you from the outside you can say oh it's a Catholic versus Protestant thing it's not it's an Irish versus British thing it's an ethnic conflict that happens to you know match onto religious lines they weren't killing each other because you know because they believed in you know solar scriptura you know no no no they were killing each other because both of them believe that they had in their communities right to live in Northern Ireland so it's not a religious conflict it's an ethnic conflict just happens to be across you know sectarian divides in that way you don't think you don't think like on the knife crime the only reason why the only reason why other people have like there's there's there's fewer knife murders here is because the hospitals are getting far far better treating stab wounds so people don't actually die um I do want to bring up a graph here and I can link it in the chat but if if wait what are these huge gains in treating knife stabbing wounds have there been big strides in the field of knife stabbing wounds treatments made where where do you think the top like 10 to 20 countries are all around where do you think Japan isia for for what I have no idea wait are you comparing the crime crime conviction rate no no no these are immigrants immigrants from Japan immigrants from you know say Europe is Norway is it normaliz is it is it normalizing you know as soon as you said normalize the answer is already absolutely no the the answer is already abely so then I'm gonna just discard that no I'm just this is this is our Mass immigration data we don't believe know we don't believe normaliz everybody knows it there are certain countries certain immigrants who commit more crime than others and denying this is just delusion yeah but no one's denying that Lauren I was just asking to elaborate on in the UK which ethic in the UK are doing the most crime CU these right they going for Muslims right so um okay think Islamic immigrants are more likely to commit crime then no this is why hold on hold on I'm asking you to elaborate your arguments would carry more legitimacy if you actually like had more targeted I haven't looked at immigration in Europe in a long time but my understanding was that your group of immigrants were the most likely to commit crime were generally people that were immigrating from northern uh Africa but when you just say Muslims like the people that came from Syria in the refugee crisis were not the same as people that come from uh from like Morocco Tunisia like North Africa these are it's not the same type but when you say is pretty high on the crime rates when you say just something on arrest rates if you want like we can look at uh so I think in the UK the highest crime rates are from people from the Caribbean no from wind rush like those Generations I thought that was where all the big disproportionate crime waves are coming from the massively High arrest and conviction rates for pakistanis it's a little bit higher than white not much I think it's 11.3 versus 9.4 uh Arabs in the UK have a lower arrest rate than white people it's like less than half so yeah it's a little bit that's why I'm asking you I feel like you don't know though that's why so I have to data showing that Arabs commit less crime than white Brits I'd be happy to look hold Arabs are Muslims what are we talking about what the [ __ ] what do you mean loner box said Arabs andab going through and and is making the good point I think that there are different groups of immigrants who are Muslim I mean Pakistan is different than um they're not Arab right and Arabs are different you know maybe from one locality versus another and people from Rwanda are not even Muslim so like it seems like there's a the one factor that cuts through everything is they're all brown that St true going on here well you know you're probably right if a Norwegian person that was born in Norway and their family came from Norway that was Muslim came over to the UK they would probably commit wait Norway is not the country that had the one dude that like walked to the island like a bow and arrow and like [ __ ] killed like 20 people that's one dude wa wait wait so I have a question that's one dude that's like half the population of Norway to be fair want to ask Lauren unironically would you be in favor if it's true if what you're saying is true and that um Muslim immigrants commit much more crime why wouldn't you be in favor of a Muslim ban into UK favor of reasonable levels of immigration that are sustainable and have actual assimilation connected to them it seems like Muslims are problem yeah but it seems like Muslims are when you when you have enough people come into a town like Luton that I can't put up a pride poster without people spitting on me and the police having to arrest me because it's going to cause a riot yeah there you have too many Muslims in one area that are why follow Donald Trump's lead and let's ban Muslim immigration until we figure out what you're saying ask I mean I I would it wouldn't just be Muslims it would be you need to stop immigration until you have proper housing numbers for people why don't we start somewhere until you have cultural cohesion again uh why would we start with just Muslims that's you say because they seem to be the biggest problem right I mean there's there is a problem there with extremism for sure why don't we start there there's a problem you want to sure no no no would you agree with the policy Lauren would you AG I just told you the policy I agree with you're not listening I said that significantly less immigration to the West everyone I don't think it needs to be specific to I understand Laur Lauren you're imagine okay you're president I know it's prime minister but I'm just joking you're president of Canada or let's just make it UK you're the prime minister of UK a bill comes across your desk and let's say you have to sign it I know it's different in the UK I know it's different would you sign if it said ban all Muslim immigration into UK would you sign it yes or no I I would propose a different bill that was just based on because like you said look at this randen probably not Muslim know problem is the answer you wouldn't sign that bill if it was before you if that was the only Bill I had available to stop the hordes of people coming in yeah I'd probably sign it but I would prefer something else that wasn't specific to just Muslims like you're giving me the most strange Niche question ever and forcing me to answer yes to it like what is the other option you just let everybody you can say no this bill is you say no I don't agree I just I literally my first answer was no I would prefer a bill that addressed wider immigration issues and still had flexibility for people who were non-radical Muslims to come in not in they taking over whole neighborhoods but you could say no I don't agree with Islamic restrict sorry immigration restrictions based on religion I don't agree with that you could have said that and been like I'm not going to that's literally what I said and you're not listen you said that you if push came to shove and that were the only immigration if Bush came to shove and that was my only option to stop the mass immigration which is causing issues across the board that have nothing in a lot some cases to do with religion just violent crime everything yeah I would rather sign that and perhaps prevent some grooming games and stuff but that grooming gangs but that would not be my preferred method of approach no that would not be it it would be an infringement wouldn't you say wouldn't everyone say on the right to practice your religion if we're making restrictions based on religion where does it end I mean really no one is no one is like no no one here is saying that you're making an extreme hypothetical to try to push me into a box to say look you want to restrict I I don't want that I've told you country in this country and at least in America it's not an extreme hypothetical because a leading candidate for president proposed it and so it's something that we have to deal with because there are people in my country a lot of people who agree with an outright Muslim ban as a policy and so to me it's anything but hypothetical we had years of litigation over over happening okay now you can say the the ending up you know Bill wasn't a Muslim ban but it's an issue in my country it's not what I'm proposing to you what I'm telling you isn't something that's just hypothetical and in fact people from the the English defense leag whatever this league is right I'm sure that they would all say yes happily we would sign it of course they would that would be the point right I mean sorry just GNA say the English Defense League which hasn't existed for 10 years by the way whatever these people are these robins and just kind of funny Americans just talk all this [ __ ] about the St they don't even know what they're talking about Jack would you answer the question would you agree would you sign happily a ban on Muslim immigration to UK yes or no well I like I I want a ban on all immigrations the UK right but if it were to start with Muslims would you start would you start there and would you sign a Muslim ban no I wouldn't sign a Muslim ban specifically that's that's great I'm glad to hear that your non favor Muslim Callum would you it doesn't go far enough so no okay okay so that's a I just want to stop all immigration even asylums right all all forms of immigration all vises too ukrainians because they made up that's the reason the net migration Spike yeah like just like here's like like here's a point on asylums and refugees for example like the problem with the mass immigration is because of how tiny our country is in terms of population infrastructure like we can't actually take you know people who should be ailed here temporarily so for example if we didn't have massive immigration we probably would have had the infrastructure to temporarily take some of take some of the uh Ukrainian refugees over who would then be able to they wouldn't live here forever but they able to go home after the war ended Hong Kong obviously like in terms of international British obligations we have more of that because the because the because the treaty with China uh to defend Hong Kong is made with us and there's people moving Hong Kong right now being oppressed over that but you know if if like 200,000 Hong kongers came in like a country with no Mass immigration would probably be able to handle that a ton of a lot better than a country where you have millions of people coming in basically every year and mass immigration is a system that currently exists in the UK and and that's represented by why you have to say Millions like net migration there's never been a million in the UK has it maybe like yeah over the last year it pretty much just almost net migration I thought net migration was 600,000 no no it hasn't been for a couple of years now I have put in a graph in the chat I will I will relink it sorry I'm a bit annoyed cuz I'm I'm a bit obsessed with that topic and it's annoying how little people seem to have picked up on it Mass migration to this country was described that way when it was at 300,000 because it was a massive change from our pre-1997 situation the net migration graph you sent me is below a million just so you know it's it's it's what I said it's about 600,000 it's a bit over I'm terribly sorry I'm probably thinking of something else then but I'm pretty sure it's higher than that maybe it's not including refugees for that graph but yeah 400,000 refugees coming to the UK I think there was a separate section on that actually if I recall correctly I feel this is like the go topic for you guys I feel like you should have these numbers fairly accessible n migration was unusually high in 233 partly because a third of them were Ukrainian it was 685,000 usually we're about 3 400,000 why where did Millions come from because you count the numbers so if you if Lauren com back away so if she could get that on screen hello I'll bring a we'll see if I can do that it's AIT okay you said you said Asylum Seekers added made up the difference how many Asylum Seekers came to the UK and you said refugees Asylum Seekers no I I said it may be it maybe how confident are you on Callum which page is this on this is it's in the it's are you guys not like the goto voices in Immigration you don't even know the [ __ ] numbers for net Mig in aslum seeking in the UK you're milons I'm about to help him bring it up Callum which page of this why does he [ __ ] help what because you wants you're talking shut the [ __ ] up so if you go to the bottom of the chat you can then find a full stop that should take you uh the thing that's full stopping towards should take you to the image I've added um I'm not the go-to voice for this thing I'm a travel vlogger mate uh but that graph is horrific and people want to return to the 1997 era they don't want to live with the current ERA that's the complaint hey just so you guys the net migration was unusually high in 2023 and it was like 600,000 usually it's 3 400,000 for Asylum Seekers it was 84,000 in that year yeah that's still 700,000 I'm so sorry that I mixed up grosser net you know when when when like when the net is when the actual point is that still over over a million people came to the country you Brits are then leaving you know hey maybe I wonder maybe maybe maybe maybe a reason why so many Brits are is because millions of people came to the country wait is that true do you know that could be a first of all when you say sorry mix up gross net I mean it's gross and net is kind of important right like if 500,000 Muslims migrated to your country and like 10 million left I'm sure you'd be happy about that so gross and net matter number one number two terms are all of our good like white ethnic British people of thousands the UK where are they going where where are they going to a place that's free of Muslim immigration if they're leaving the UK are they going they're not going back to the European Union I hope because that would be pretty embarrassing if that was the case right I mean a lot of people are moving to Australia right now you see even Australians complain that so many Brits are moving there when they when they have a housing crisis so same we've got a problem with Brits coming here as well I believe I believe Brits are still a very significant immigration population to Canada the US and Australia yeah we're trying to do something about that but um I need to kick two people cuz I'm have someone else coming in here shortly uh is anyone like have to leave soon you can kick me who's that PCO okay yeah I mean you can kick me if I'm unhearable I'm just like kind of sitting here oh if you have more to add I feel like you haven't gotten to chat chat all are you g the worst Pi recital ever am I still like not hearable I don't understand we can hear you now we can hear you now okay okay you know what just just stick around peace go and then I'll just add Lucy Lucy will be good because she is uh she's kind of got critiques of all sides that means she's a conservative one trillion per and is exclusively anti-immigration and has never said a good thing about a leftly any person her entire life I'm ready for it all right all right thanks riots but okay oh PCO just left on his own that's helpful good himim Peruvian immigrant by the way isn't he what is he he's something something bad all right truly the worst I'm joking okay sorry I couldn't get your document up here Callum it just it doesn't take me directly to the graph but I I did my best I'll get a tweet for you yeah if you tweet it out I can um Stephen do you actually think that uh these riots between the BLM and the UK stuff are comparable I mean they're both riots you think they're comparable in the UK Lauren like the BLM protest in the UK compared to these rights in the first six days nothing comparable between them I mean I've said that on X I've explained my reasoning in one case you have people actively asking to dismantle the police literally defund the police and in the other people are saying please enforce our borders you understand wait hold on no no wait wait wait wa wa wait wait hold on wait wa I want you to give me a better version of what you think BLM was protesting for try it one more time against police brutality but we had plenty of people media uh activists BLM heads of the organization saying defund the police when they were saying defund the police why what were they saying it for what were what do they want to do what was the end goal there because they believe the police are racists and what was the end goal the end goal was community policing Chaz there you okay there you go now you're saying it with derision because that's so unbelievable to you but there you go at least you did at least you did a little B is unhinged yeah about is unhinged as saying we should Deport every single second generation immigrant from the UK you know that's a fantastic position that will never happen right people are not even asking for that in Mass there's someone in this call who is saying they would want to do that what do you mean what do you think Lauren what do you think the riers won in first six days Sor I just want to say I didn't say that I don't believe just want borders stop saying they justers wait who in this call said that well I heard somebody earlier today didn't somebody say that they would Deport if they had the ability to didn't PCO ask one of the two people in here questions if they would support all uh [ __ ] muslim immigrants or whatever did I misunderstand that well who said that I don't remember who PCO was talking to somebody else I'm doing notes over here well we talked about deporting criminals we talked about getting rid of people's visas letting them Inspire and then deporting people but you know I no nobody said we should Deport every second generation immigrant here hold on no who are Muslim sorry my bad Muslims I also believe say that either is okay wait Callum are you in favor of deporting Muslims from the United Kingdom no I'm in favor of getting rid of foreigners again we don't talk in terms of race and such we talk in terms of ethnic groups okay I didn't bring up a race or EIC for Muslims so you're okay keeping all the Muslims that exist in Britain if they're white no the foreign ones have to go what is when you say foreign how foreign like up to second third fourth generation what does that mean no they're on a Visa you let the Visa expire and then if they overstay their visa they've now committed a crime which they can be arrested and forcibly deported for okay so then like the kid that did the wait wait so then the kid that just did the stabbing a few days ago you wouldn't be for deporting somebody like that before he did the stabbing because he's a second generation immigrant I don't know his immigration status just because he's born here doesn't mean he's a British citizen but we shouldn't be in the situation to begin with just to be clear just to be clear most of the migrant crime in the UK whether it's wind rush or the gming gangs and all that like these are mostly second generation immigrants or at least disproportionately these people it's not about Visa question these guys are British citizens I don't know how they got the situation never allowed parents to come and they're here now so do you have any plans for them or do they just stay and have kids and those people have kids or what well if they're citizens you can't forcefully Deport them it's very sad if they've got your citizenship you can get rid of them and in terms of those on visas that makes up about I think it's 50% of our foreign population so about 5 million people which would completely correct the problems we're dealing with wait what say that last part again sorry I wasn't I didn't hear it would completely correct the problems we're dealing with to get rid of the 5 million who have come in the last 20 years who are on feas okay but you would I I guess early when you saying Deport foreigners I don't know what is a foreigner to you what does that count as just somebody that doesn't have citizenship or so in conversational terms when we use the word Foreigner we mean people who are not of the English when we're talking about England in the same way that if I'm English for example so I wouldn't be allowed in the Pol tribe I'm not a PO when you say of the English what I don't what are you referring to here so Russians USCS Persians Indians I mean non-english people I don't know is a Russian like a person who just born in Russia or is it I don't know that means when you say Russian English do you mean people like citizenship to these countries or do you mean well we would be dealing with people either here on visas or if they have dual citizenship my position is get rid of the dual citizenship Okay so when you say foreigners you're just referring to people that have dual citizenship that's the way you can deal with it yes it would solve all the problems and then most people would be happy Okay so we've got Lucy here um Lucy I'm gonna quickly read a few of the super chats because I've been ignoring everyone and then I'm going to give you a chance to introduce yourself and who you are uh okay people I have missed oh my goodness a lot of people actually omed ppin that feel when you immigrate to the west to escape Islam only to see your home as being infected with the same ideology yeah not great um Lauren is going full Boomer mode from Jeremy s yes I am a angel Martin says the initial protest was largely due to the officials and press giving no answers at the beginning this was also a day or two after a massive Patriot rally in London on the 27th dashing Rogue this all started in the 90s with the satanic scriptures I don't know Glenn I still appreciate your work thank you Spencer says Destiny thinks I'm evil I think he's just wrong we are not the same by their fruits you shall know them what fruits does destiny bear Angel Martin it would seem this attack on our children was in response to the massive London Patriot rally um has a non culture ever developed constitutionalism republicanism or a rule of law this was a question for Destiny but he's got a few more here uh Destiny are you being paid by act blue people want to know Jacob low uh yes they deposit $1,000 in my bank account every day I say something good about KL Harris okay wonderful this stream is a mess love you Lauren from Professor suan Destiny is literally a paid actor from Jacob low again Hellraiser Lauren and chat in regard to migration crime is there any data on the rate of crime from a wanden immigrants before Mass migration that would be good to look at for sure brew master again we should only accept immigration from Nations that share our values and maybe work visas for college students from Nations we want to influence then Isabella I did not oh this is about my last video uh which I'm just not going to read but thank you for the super chat right Lucy thank you for joining the stream a little bit about yourself obviously we've known each other for years but the chat may not know yeah so I work for Tommy um I found myself falling into the rebel news um kind of cycle in Sor just real quick so when you said you work for Tommy who was that Tommy Robinson Tommy Robinson sorry I worked sort of technically for the rebel but it was as his support staff with a couple of gay guys George and Kalin who I'm sure Laura knows um so yeah so we fell into that mainly on account of the terror attacks that were happening I would say that's what brought me into the game and then yeah and then um working Tommy just sort of went from one problem to the other like obviously he's got his issues and they started to come out and then in 2018 we put on a big giant event called the day for freedom in whiteall and Tommy um invited a YouTuber called Ali dawa who I'm sure you know he was with Muhammad hijab who I'm sure some people will recognize that name um and Tommy told me to go and tell them that they weren't invited anymore and I had to go and tell them to to leave and they got set upon by football Hooligans and drunk thugs basically I tried to protect them and then Tommy blamed this on me um and then I've spent the past six years being harassed and stalked by his followers and being called a Judas and all this kind of stuff um and now I'm kind of back finally got some restraining orders and now feel a little bit less afraid of being on the so I'm kind of here to just kind of push against some of his misinformation you know just kind of to exist like I'm not necessarily right or left I'm just sort of here just trying to correct and just trying to see how things are going so I think he's being a bit of a warlord you know he's kind of warlord posting a lot see interesting Destiny you were saying she was going to be a hardcore conservative oh no yeah not the Tommy Robinson employee of course not I was completely off my bad listen to what she just said you'll know that I joined BLM first right you're you're a smart guy you know that I come from BLM and and feminist um movements right yes actually because being smart means that you know every single random fact about every person on the planet so I did indeed know that thank you for reminding the audience me before you seem to know about me before saying people people are never allowed to change their opinions your only one thing ever that's a true fact I said that as well I think yes that was a good reot I definitely aggressive [ __ ] I wanted to ask you Lucy um what so there did you hear the discussion that we had earlier about um the role in disinformation and starting the first Riot did you hear us talking about that I didn't hear the full bit no sorry so basically we were arguing or they were arguing about the role of disinformation in starring the first Riot and whether or not um people were led to believe or to blame Muslims for the stabbing in Southport um and whether Tommy Robinson's role in that what's your do you have an opinion on that yeah of course he the first one of the first thing he tweeted wasn't it he was he was absolutely spreading misinformation saying that it sounded like and then this name that apparently translated to some phrase you know right something like that I'm going to my apartment it was like Ali Al something or he was spreading that and then Katy Hopkins and then Lawrence Fox and yeah I would say that it was definitely like he fueled the flames and then also it was his his um guy Danny Danny tommo that works for him I think it was kind of my replacement but he was going on telegram saying oh whole city should be up in flames and all this kind of stuff so there's definitely like some some fingers to point that way yeah I think yeah I agree I just thought there was a bit of a disagreement on it earlier but do you think that the uh this has been one of the big disagreements Lucy is the idea that why are people outside of mosque when this was a Rwandan you know second generation immigrant who wasn't Muslim why and of course [ __ ] Jack and I are saying this is a culmination of many issues including the grooming gangs including the vience that has occurred the knife crime the car jackings whatever as well as cultural just contentions at the moment Free Speech issues uh would you agree that this wasn't just about the stabbing that occurred but it's been a buildup over years and years of workingclass people being ignored and slandered well yeah I don't think these people care anymore I don't think they care if it was a Muslim or not I think they're just going out in the street and they're taking their anger out on the people rather than the politicians because if you think about it you've had things like reform you had the brex party we had the brexit vote and then they wanted us to vote again so we had to fight a second referendum got we've got all these groups that have been and gone you've got some more hard right groups you've got some more kind of liberalist type groups and the immigration figures as far as I know haven't really changed so there's been a lot of I think false promises that have been made and I think these are the people these are the people that just don't care anymore and that I don't think they feel like they have anything left to lose I think that's the things that you're seeing on the street at the moment I think it's very sad and very disgusting but I just don't think they care anymore and and it is gross and they are going around just punching black people if it's horrible um but that's the stuff that we were trying to warn about for years could happen if these issues aren't addressed Stephen everything Lucy is saying is correct yeah I completely agree oh excellent any thoughts from anyone else want to push back on that disagree this is what inevitably happens when you ignore the wishes of the people when the people say Mass immigration is a crisis when both left and right agree that immigration numbers are too high like they do in Canada and nothing has changed you think that social chaos is the inevitable result and you had to do something to prevent it beforehand it's just there is no half right no the issue is to say [ __ ] no you shouldn't have given him any credit in the beginning you everything else was right okay but no the issue is that you have no like actual policy position or actual stance on any of this that anybody cares to actually articulate because there's there might be some people that are genuinely frustrated with things in society immigration is an easy scap go there might be some people that are genely frustrated with immigration because immigration has caused some problems and there's a whole bunch of people who are just racist but since nobody actually articulates any real type of policy you just end up in a brexit likee situation where people like oh yeah we should brexit and then you spend the next like years arguing well [ __ ] I don't actually know what that looks like or I don't know what we should actually [ __ ] do and it's the same thing with immigration like every even even the policy positions have been articulated here like I'm against Mass migration I don't know why you keep saying that you're against all immigration just say that like what we said earlier say I'm against all immigration but people won't say that because because it's probably not the actual position immigration well even when you say Mass migration what does mass migration mean so look at the graph so you notice how the graph used to be that we had tens of thousands of people coming some leaving and it would hover up and down and then in 1997 the things changed because we had an enlargement of the European Union the numbers went up to the hundreds of thousands people considered this horrific which is why we ended up with the brexit referendum and then they tried to ignore the brexit referendum and then eventually Dominic Cummings and Boris Johnson got into power in 2019 and on their campaign promise was get brexit done they were very patriotic it was all about patriotic things and getting immigration sorted out etc etc they want a landslide not just seats but votes and then when they got in according to Dominic Cummings he proposed the policy of hey let's have a point space system we will basically exterminate low skilled labor coming in because that's not helping anyone and we're going to try and steal the people who go to Silicon Valley and get can I ask just a real quick question for this graph I need to finish before but I will let you sorry so they proposed that according to Dominic Cummings Boris said screw that they put the pointbase system in place and ever since the immigration has now massively increased from what was considered unacceptable that's what we mean by mass immigration that the pre-1997 levels were perfectly acceptable people were pretty much happy with it it wasn't a discussion point that people had in politics but since things have changed to hundreds of thousands to up to a million coming in not net but gross that's unacceptable and the fact that through that entire period we voted for lower immigration every election in terms of the manifesto claiming that that's what they would do of the party who won is horrific it looks like your way out of this yeah it looks like most your migration started to happen like the huge Spike was after brexit yeah they betrayed us that's why people angry wow wow the conservatives messed up and allowed Mass migration this is the first time I'm hearing about when you say messed up and allowed Mass migration how do they allow how do they allow it what happened so they left the European Union in 2019 or 2020 officially it finally happened but they changed the immigration rules so we now have a point based system and you get points for very basic things such as speaking a simple level of English or having a job that pays well below the average wage so the ability of people to come here became massively easier even though this is exactly the opposite of what Boris Johnson was going to implement when he SP to voters which is why everyone hates them and there are policies that you could implement the nation of Denmark is actually pretty restrictive on immigration and they don't have right-wing party uprisings they don't have riots or anything like that you have refugees get put in third-party countries while they're being vetted if your kids are going to school and they're from a foreign country they have integration programs and this is one of the reasons why across the political Spectrum the immigration policies even though they're criticized by the EU in Denmark they're basically it's like a non-issue so yeah there are restrictions that you can Implement like actual tangible policies and they prevent these right-wing like uprisings these riots and all of this stuff things like brexit and that's what people want implemented like you pretend there's no sensible policy on immigration it exists it's in Europe and the people are happy with it and it's so popular that it's not just the right-wing policies but U parties it's the leftwing policies that buy into it because they don't want people coming in and undercutting their union wages or or whatever issue that they have that makes them historically against immigration so yeah there are definitely things that you can do to improve the situation and not have all this crazy fighting in the streets so I'd be careful with that last claim with the idea that appeasing anti-immigrant like sentiment is what like makes the violence go away because you mentioned like pre like 1990s levels and before that things were even lower but again it's not like we it's not like race riots were a new thing just recently we used to have this in the 70s with the national front when immigration wasn't particularly High it wasn't particularly high in the 80s when we had anti- riots uh even if you look at the UK people I thought until last week people used to brag about how the UK actually compared to most European countries had Fairly positive attitudes towards immigration compared to the rest of Europe right the most anti-immigrant uh sentiment in Europe does not come from like France or places like London or whatever it comes from places like um czechia or Hungary places that have lower like barely any immigration or Finland so and that's actually did demonstrate itself very well through our election is that reform UK the big anti-immigrant party they won their five seats four of which were won in 94% white plus communities which is way above the national average because this is what I when you talk about people not being listened to the thing I get is that I agree that there's problems with abandonment and post-industrialization and working-class communities being ignored and all this kind of stuff that's very uh real the problem is is that it's not just that it's that plus and I think I'm sure Lucy's mentioned this is that it's that plus demagogues and people who just lie to them habitually about uh and exaggerate the effects of immigration that drive them to feel like the effects are so much worse than they actually are and then that's where you get the rioting coming from it's it takes both it takes a demagogue as well as people having real concerns which is probably why people who voted for reform in these very very white communities they obviously didn't learn about immigration and its effects from their life experiences they learned about it from the media that's hang on hang on I just want to very quickly jump in and just add to end of the show add to end of J's point it was very specifically the labor party the ruling labor party in Denmark who implemented all of these policies that he was talking about it wasn't just you know implemented by the conservatives there and then adapted by labor it was the labor party in Denmark who actually did all those things and I will say in a lot of the actually and and then just just uh just coming up just coming up to to your point learner box a lot of the people who moved to for example Clon were like the white working class guys who moved out of London because of they've seen the problems of mass migration like that's just one other the reason you see a lot of the people in those communities escaped there from London because of it yeah of people from Clon came from London I think most people from Clon were were from claron oh obviously most of them there are certainly a chunk of them who who have moved out of London okay so I'm just saying lot of people are interviewed at the time if your if your hypothesis is that white people in the UK when they the more immigration they see the more anti-immigration they become in their communities then why are these places with like 10 15 20% Muslim communities why are they not the ones where the white people are coming out in arms and voting like majority for reform well a lot of them would vote for reform but then obviously if there if there's more votes in those in the demographics then obviously reform aren't going to win there well no it's not more you you said that white people who are still the majority in a lot of these places that are maybe like 15 20% Muslim which is or immigrant which is above the national average these places are still majority white why are the white people in those places not the most incensed ones and the most politically active ones in their constituencies now bear in mind it's because they're more that's why the that's why reform doesn't win cuz there're still the minority yeah obviously but that's going to have some Dem that's have some switch to it then you also have you know labor voters who are old labor voters who would still vote labor one who want to get the Tories out but still be concerned about Mass migration regardless as I said labor promised to cut migration so some people who perhaps were previous labor voters moved the Tories in 2019 but then thought oh you know well I'm going to vote labor again because at least K St has promised to come cut prom to cut Mass migration wait pal you're not telling me that people voted labor because they thought at Le K starmer will be harsher in Immigration than the conservatives Kier starmer wanted to SC certainly during the election no he wasn't he said he would scrap Rwanda that was the the first thing he says about immigration is he would scrap Randa yes because Rwanda wasn't working he said he would cut net migration that was a policy I've I've pinned it in the chat so you can go read it the issue Armes to Sky High Migra numbers read my lips I will bring immigration numbers down as he vowed to control our borders do you think that sounds like a pro migration message no I think it sounds like someone who is not going to be believed by someone who is farther right than labor on immigration no [ __ ] way the guy said he wanted he wanted to scrap Rwanda because he said it was inhumane and a waste of money meaning he was okay to let those Asylum Seekers stay in the UK his alter Randa they they criticized it because they didn't just like the European Court of Human Rights and throw them off anyway into those planes K starmer wanted to keep them in the country to keep claiming Asylum so K st's message was actually people talk about hotels Kier starmer's message was keep them in the hotels and keep processing them you think of right winger whose Senator position as anti-immigration would vote for that no no no I'm not talking about not talking I'm talking about yeah I'm talking about a relatively ordinary person who's maybe not that fully connected into politics and sees K again pledging to cut migration as every party has done since 1997 why is the leftwing candidate even saying that M well he said he wanted to he said that he wanted to spend money to Target migration at the route so he wanted to get to didn't he want to send a bunch of money to these countries where this is happening anyway and stop the human traffickers and kind of deal with it so they're not dealing with it in the hotels you're dealing with it at the source that was his argument I don't know he wanted to Target the Smugglers yeah but as far as Pro seers who come here he wants to process them yeah but he's still he's still entire message is reduce migration no one in this country can run on the platform of things are going well with migration and we should increase it that is not the position of anyone even the leftwing candidate knows he has to go out and say yeah this is crazy we need to lower the numbers yeah I'm sure he said that but the problem is like I don't know what so you say that immigration is like reform also policy yeah I know because reform wants to just Deport them straight back to France even though there's no guarantee or there's no sign France would ever take them right especially yeah um but again with Kier armer yeah he's maybe saying he wants to lower immigration I don't doubt that um but this is why we have a party political system right this is why people vote not just on single issues but for parties and it seems to be that even if people saw immigration as one of the issues they were still happy to vote for a party that is they probably find far more less trustworthy to follow through on reducing immigration than someone like reform I'm sure you they just babbling people want immigration lower end of every you could read his quotes it says he wants to slash Skyhigh immigration that 6 uh 85,000 is has got to come down and controlling our borders make uh and make sure British businesses are helped to hire Brits first no but I'm just saying and you all understand this is someone who has immigration as their first and foremost policy is never going to vote for this because coming down from 685,000 yeah because 685,000 was usually High uh in large part because of ukrainians coming yeah how many hang hang on so you don't think hundreds of thousands a year net and more than that gross is not still high wait he vowed to control our borders and make sure British businesses are helped to hire Brits first why would he want to do that why would he want to vow to control our borders I just that's I don't deny you said that it's because it's Broad popular across the Spectrum if you if you actually look at like the immigration numbers I'm curious why they spiked in 2020 it seems like a lot of the people coming in are working because the law changed so we went from the system we had before to the points based system this was advertised on the basis that Australia does it they seem pretty good let's do that except they didn't take into account obviously you need to then address the points to what you want so Dominic [ __ ] says that his proposal was we have massive amounts of high skilled labor we steal them from the United States because they're all going there and we just exterminate people who can barely speak English come from places in the world where they have [ __ ] up ideas about running society and just focusing on the work thing it seems like the people are coming to the country to work hang on meaning hang on hang on see see see a lot of the a lot of this isn't being shown by the data in that people will come on work fees and then bring their families with them as well so for example you've seen they've been bringing people to work in Social care in the NHS they can bring their families with them um another thing that I think which has spiked in recent years which might not be which may even only me in the past couple years so I'm not sure if it's in that students who's coming over and bringing their families as well students coming over for course and bringing their families which seems insane to me I'm not sure how insane that is but like is it is there a possibility that especially post brexit that the UK needs these workers like to keep their economy running absolutely not then okay so then if I if I were to look up okay so if that's the biggest COPE in history if I were to look up unemployment in the UK right now would I see this number at like 89% are there a ton of unemployed like British citizens that can't find work not well I can tell you something that like immigration has not helped the UK economy it's only harmed it really by what metric what the funniest things that no wait let him answer that by what by one unemployment or by by tell okay just real quick I looked that in4 unemployment UK was 3.8% um the lowest rate since 1974 so you're below what you're probably natural rate of unlo if you break it down by ethnicity it gets even more fun anyway espe especially if you look down it look down at people who've come to the country and and and you look at those who who actually are active in work in of terms of first generation immigrants most of them are not active in work they're not actively employed I mentioned this ear in the Stream 50% of social housing how are they not getting how are they getting work visas are they're not working so if me as a man I apply for a work visa I get one I can then bring my family and my family don't have to work so for example if look in the Bangladeshi Community it's over 50% of them are not economically active is the phraseology we use and that's because well why would you you don't need to your Bangladesh is just so you guys know that by by 2022 the unemployment rate for migrants including EU is 5% if for non euu is six it's still not exactly like much higher than the national average but why do you think that immigration harbs the economy overall why do you say that oh so one of the fun things that happened during Co is what I was going to say is the truck drivers for example one of their main complaints during the brexit referendum is their wages are suppressed by immigration from Eastern Europe and as we expanded to Romania and Bulgaria we would get Romanian and Bulgarian truck drivers they would bring the wages down even lower because you get paid buger roll to be a Romanian truck driver but you can still drive trucks in the UK so why not move and they did so during the co pandemic when immigration falls through the floor for one year because well people couldn't move around truck drivers pay went through the bloody roof it's a very real that we liit immigra Wes go up for the natives the do have aice they've people they have also the cost of like all of your goods and services also go up right it does but if everyone's getting a massive pay not hold on not everybody's getting a massive pay raise just the truck drivers are getting a pay raise that's how that works right yeah because they were they were also because they had to spend so much more time [ __ ] stranded between the borders because of the checks and balances after brexit yeah wait wait you do understand that if wages in one sector go up to because the cost of doing business there is higher and that everybody in society has to pay more for stuff that gets delivered by trucks not everybody in society wins there most people are losing the winners are just people driving the trucks exactly not everyone in society wins so who loses well it's not the people who have to compete for migrant labor it's the people right at the top that don't have to compete they lose be honest the losers when you have the losers when you have to pay more to deliver materials on trucks are going to be every single person that buys anything that comes off a truck your winners are going to be your people that are driving the trucks no the people who have to compete with migrant labor no longer have to compete they win wait it's not about don't have to compete it's about if you buy hold on this is so this is child math if you pay a truck driver more you have to pay to ship the products more meaning you have to charge the customer for the products more does that do you understand that okay which is why which is why because we haven't been doing this that's why all the people who have been rioting have have been so economically fulfilled they're all having great jobs and lives because of this Mass immigration doing exactly the oppos I never said I never I never said any of that yeah you just compl I'm just I'm just do you understand hold on I'm just trying to say if we understand a really basic truth if you increase the cost of transporting goods people are going to have to pay more for goods do you understand that yes okay so when we say that we want to increase the wages of truck drivers then that's a class of people that wins the losing part of that inflation is going to be every single person that buys things that comes off of trucks you understand that right you're missing one no no no can we understand is that do we really not get that you're missing one aspect Destiny the people who are competing for migrant labor are not just truck drivers the vast majority of the British Workforce has to compete with migrant labor so they would be much better off even with the increasing cost for transportation being passed on to the increased cost of goods the people who don't have to compete with migrant labor those at the top they would lose out a little bit okay you understand that when you're talking right now about using protectionist policies to protect jobs because of the magical waging whatever whatever this like fantastic uh autarchy take is you know that no Economist anywhere ever will ever agree with that take right you know that you're just wrong there right that when you're talking about protecting your economy and increasing the cost of goods and services to everybody that whatever wage bump you might see because now some jobs aren't as competed against um against migrant whatever like all of society is paying more right you consider that the money these migrants are making is often getting sent home as well sent back home as well two remittances sorry it is desing it is insane to say that it is somehow protectionism to to not be in favor of mass migration why do you keep saying Mass migration like it's a buzz word that you're like coming in your pants stop saying Mass migration no one's talking about Mass migration I'm just I'm talking about basic economic fact that if you bring in workers okay to compete with somebody right that the wages of those people do indeed go down because you've got a greater supply of workers sure but the cost of all those goods and services also go down right and if you protect those jobs by having it so you reduce the supply of labor there that those people will make more money that is true but also the cost of goods and services goes up for everybody as well that's associated with buying things from those people that's true this is not like contestant nothing I'm saying is debting here this is like a contested fact you st saying Sten saying that there's a concentrated benefit for the truckers and a disperse cost paid by broader society and increased prices yes these guys don't care about that they're willing to pay higher prices in order to not have migrants undercut the undercut the wages of the truckers as much as I appreciate you trying to carry water for racist you're dead [ __ ] wrong Sean because that would be an honest position at least if you were to say listen this like this is an honest position if you wanted to honest you say I understand that things are going to cost more that's fine I think that protecting our native population is worth it and I'm willing to work an extra hour whatever I need to do in order to ensure that I'm paying enough to support local workers that'd be fine but that's not what the position they want to take because they've got to sell the lie to other sides too that aren't bought into the racial [ __ ] right and they have to say well actually if you protect jobs and and reduce one of the most important economic inputs to your entire Workforce actually it's it helps everybody like everybody pays less and everybody gets paid more it's magic jump in here sorry let me just jump in here Callum uh why do you think Canada's housing prices are so high in places like Vancouver right now what do you think's going on there do you think there's a lot of people trying to move to not as many places so do you think that perhaps having to pay two grand more in rent might be a little more concerning to people's wallets than getting a dollar off their Tim Horton's coffee it's also not just truck dri you know like it's way more complex like there are so many other factors it's when you say it's way more complex you understand like the cost of rent can also be influenced by like migrant workers that do construction like yes it is more complicated I understand that but general rule of thumb as a general rule of thumb when you bring in more labor your economy grows whether you like it or not and there could be reasons to be opposed to it that's fine but the idea that if you bring in more labor it's going to shrink your economy like just doesn't even make sense it's like outright like on its face it's absurd it's thing that's fine that's an honest answer at least yeah it's yeah sorry I was like I just saying FGM isn't like a very British Pastime put it that way do you guys uh still cut uh baby boy dicks not rec we don't do it in the UK that's good yeah no one does it you guys why is it always these gotas rather than acknowledging like oh you're right FGM that's not something you guys want in the UK I get that why is it always oh you cut baby boy dicks like no one's for that here I mean I don't even know I'm not even I don't even know how much FGM happens in in the UK obviously I'm opposed to it but the running from the economy to FGM is this is this like a prevalent problem in the United Kingdom right now like I kind of want to back UPC there which is which is that you know like if if if now if immigration makes the economy better if not saying it does if that's hypothetical however but you get all this negative stuff from it like FGM Lucy brought up is that worth another couple points on the GDP axis it's not about hold on you can't even materially you're coming so hard in your pants about destroying Brown immigrants you can't even engage with the question honestly nobody is talking about a couple points on the GDP you are making life harder for every single person in your country when you enact protectionist policies but you can have the honest conversation if you want to be honest about it you can say there are good reasons why you should protect an economy maybe you're importing bad cultural elements you don't want think think yeah good for you maybe maybe maybe there are reasons why you want to prevent certain groups of people from come to your country that's fine but just be honest about it don't pretend like you're going to win in every single area like a liar just honest about the sacrifice you're making to have this happen I will I'm right all the time that's true destiny this is why I find you so annoying to be frank because I was explaining truck drivers are not the only people that have to compete with migrant labor the vast majority of the public have to compete with migrant labor I explained it three times you didn't engage do you chop baby boy dicks off we're England we never chop baby boy the baby boy dick comment do you acknowledge that was in response to somebody else bringing up female genital mutilation first the fact is you're you somebody bringing up female git mutilation first do you do you acknowledge that the point in my arum is okay okay well if you want if you want someone to engage with the um truck drivers thing I feel like there's a reason you guys like to bring up these anecdotes is because people do studies on this even Boris Johnson committed commissioned a study on immigration and wage suppression what they found was that any impact of wage suppression caused by immigration was short-term and negligible because as well as that it's it's not even because of all the reasons Desy mentioned about how it also lowers the price of goods because you bring and new workers you want to do the lump of Labor fallacy but then also Lauren I know you said that anecdote about people moving uh money away from the country but the fact is migrants also pay taxes and we still know that the amount they pay in taxes exceeds the amount that they take out and we know we just had the biggest year by far the biggest year by far of net migration and real wages went up the year after they've been going up since like the beginning of this year so but once again it doesn't matter if the wages are going up even if that's you know with inflation I don't know why let me let me let me finish when it comes to things like rent which when in my lived experience since left to Super care about that everyone around me cannot afford rent because of mass immigration it doesn't matter if wages have gone up definitionally that's not true you understand that's not true everybody rent you can't afford rent that's why the prices are going up right if nobody could afford it then the price wouldn't be going up the price that's what the market can bear what is going on what what is going on is they are getting smaller and smaller places they are living with two or three people never would have done that before for or I have people that literally don't have a home and are living in people's backyards and trailers multiple families I know with children at the moment then tell them go to different cities they don't have to live in the three cities in in in uh Canada there's more places than just Montreal Toronto and Vancouver prices are going up across the country and then once again it is not sorry let me finish let me finish I've let everyone speak a lot it's not just housing it is not just wages it's not even just culture it is infrastructure you can look this up Canadian hospitals more overwhelmed than ever no one can get a doctor there are too many people in the infrastructure has not caught up it is the roads no one can drive in cities like Vancouver anymore it is unlivable so when Jack says yeah people are willing to give up maybe a few dollars off on their products they're willing to pay a little more for it's not a few dollars offer a little more it's going to be every single thing you buy and it does matter because when you phrase it like rather pay more I would rather pay more for everything and be able to go to a beach without people taking craps on it be able to drive through my City without it taking 4 hours be able to get a doctor be able to get a house yeah I would pay more for everything for that can you show can you point me one like anti-immigrant [ __ ] country that's like doing really well with these policies like who's our model here Australia they do a lot better with their immigration policies and their Health Care system is significantly better I know because I live there and I lived in Canada very similar systems one is not overwhelmed by migration one is so what metric so what metric are we looking at so what metric are we looking at for Australia here that like give me a couple metrics and I'll go look it up they're outperforming like the rest of the world so much I just said the Healthcare System okay so if I look at like healthcare outcomes in like Australia they're going to be better than Canada perhaps I know used the system for just to be clear for healthcare even reform UK admitted that for immigration that's the one place where Britain needs immigration according to them so even for them they said that the healthcare system was their exception they're wrong no they don't because IM immigrants are a drain on the NHS and it's it's the classic thing of bringing in workers because oh you know you don't have enough people to hear one we should pay doctors more you know like the junior doctors are striking because the government can't afford to pay them more because that's the state of the NHS to begin with um but then you know like oh oh oh oh you know you're bringing like a couple nurses here couple doctors there well one uh it's foreign doctors have been far more likely to actually cause injuries and death to patients if you look at the medical Mal practice rates for foreign doctors far higher and then as as KH mentioned earlier it's the same with the work visas these people one person will come in on a work visa and they'll bring in they'll bring in their wife or their or or their husband that their their parents their their children and that's then because you've got them 10 more people in the country based on work visa the NHS is under even more pressure so I'm gonna so I'm going to say reform run that you know reform aren't this guard of the right wing that we have to listen to them all the time and they're totally correct yeah I understand you guys are more probably extreme than reform and I'm prepared to listen but all I'm having right now is I keep mentioning that like according to the data that immigrants actually are bigger net tax contributors than natives are and also that real wages have been rising this year even though net migration was the highest has ever been the last year but all I'm hearing is like Callum and the corner sorry sorry again sorry I've got this here you can actually look at this at like employment rate of country with birth it's only you know when when people are coming in here they're coming of from uh the from from the USA Australia Canada Israel uh th those are the top four countries uh who are then net contributors to the UK it's Singapore New Zealand and France uh if you want to look at uh economic inactivity like like again like the people who are coming to this country first generation immigrants from Mostly from all across the third world they are not being economically productive citizens ex to the ones who the ones who are economically productive are coming from other First World countries and then and then a lot of them will stay here for a bit and then go home so say you're saying people are immigrants are coming working and they're not economically productive no the their net contributors is a deceptive stat some immigrants contribute grossly more than others but that doesn't mean that all immigrants overall are net contributors it's like when they say like the founder of this many Fortune 500 companies are foreign born that doesn't mean that from any random country you're going to get a Founder it means that they're from India they're um I think spartic Jews see and they one other group like that's it that represents almost all the forign for the economic activity rate of bangladeshis who are not born in the UK 50% of them who are in the UK are economically inactive link me where you're reading this also wait hold on real quick am ices from the Census been put together by Neil O'Brien okay that's great but link me the thing who who who is an MP am I misunderstanding that's look at this does does Australia have is this like I'm seeing temporary Visa holders but for does Australia have way more immigration Britain or am I not understanding this Australia yeah they have really high immigration they're really upset about it as well wait why didn't you mention something when Lauren cited Australia as outperforming Canada in their Healthcare System then because they have less immigrants we have some of we have some of the highest rates of so okay so the types of immigrants to Australia are very different the English tests are much harder to get into Australia than they are to get into Canada in fact people who fail the English test to get into Australia tend to go to Canada as their section second option wait I'm just curious who do you guys think the highest who you who do you guys think who do you guys think the highest consumers of healthcare are in a country probably the elderly that's yeah true in the UK in the UK what your median ages or your mean ages or your number of elderly people what communities are at highest in like are we implying earli it sound like you're implying that like immigrants are consuming more Healthcare than your native population of like old yeah yeah because they're bringing in their elderly grandparents on work fees show me that anywhere like yeah I've just sent I've just sent you a link to a thread and a link to a a report from the center for policy studies uh which included written by former immigration Minister Robert jenrich uh former Minister Neil O'Brien and their research director Kyle Williams if you looking a thread that I have linked there is a number a number of very concerning statistics on immigration and these were all taken from the office of national statistics which is which is the official uh government one uh like and the census so you can also see for example that GDP per capita and net migration GDP per capita has gone down as net migration has gone up also when you look at the chart that you sent over the overwhelming majority of them are temporary Visa holders the permanent Visa holders is actually down so those are the people that are actually stay yeah but I don't know for the UK stuff I don't know for those net flows I don't know if those are including Visa holders or not as well I'm not sure I don't know how they measure it I'm just saying from your both them are going to go back CU they're there's very few permanent ones in there and that's actually decreased okay Lucy um did you know that rickets are back we've got rickets and loads of Victorian diseases now in mainly in East London and it's apparently due to vitamin D deficiency from people that are wearing clothes aren't letting them get enough vitamin D apparently there's a mass there was a mass outbreak in in White Chapel hospital and people weren't able to treat patients and it's just a massive recurring problem and the point ofing the clothes wait what is the can can you draw the can you link all those up for me what are we talking about you can't make the link yourself like I'm just saying like Okay so right my friend went to White Chapel hospital with a horrible uh thing going on and they said because of the wom White Chapel is a very Muslim area of East London it's basically it's got the the mosque I think Lauren went there um and you were like filming an interview there called the police I live there but yeah apparently rickets there was a Ricket outbreak and like loads of Victorian diseases you can have a look online but like because of um because of women covered up and they weren't getting up vitamin D and stuff like that so there's like one issue that like we could probably do without but we have it now I know it's not like ites it doesn't like not trying to Tar all immig immigrants with the same brush or anything but I'm just saying that's one issue no I don't I listen I was in London very recently and uh I saw more people in hijabs and N cabs than in any Muslim neighborhood in the United States of America totally taken over that and if you want to help get Muslim women D then I guess you know what londoners you got to sign up for that and get them that I'd really like them to have the freedom to not wear that if they choose to um that that's all I can really say about that I just think it's a bit Draconian that we've been put in this position but there's been there's been plenty people I'm not a big I'm not a big muslim okay expert here do do kids wear uh burkas I thought it was only like adult or older women some D hold on you just said wait wait on wa you said nothing definitionally okay is it like the majority do is what what is a kid I don't know I'm I'm trying to find information about the Ricket stuff and I'm seeing that in almost every case it's saying here I'm reading this almost all of these cases of people having rickets are young children this sounds like a food problem more than a burka problem I don't I'm not I don't think young children wear burkas but I could be wrong but I'm not I I don't know I'm not sure they do they do I live in an area where I see it every day um I would Hazard a guess that that you know the doctor said it to my friend I don't think the media would want to publish that you know theor at the hospital it I don't think the media I don't think I think they would find that inflammatory to publish that obviously so this is why I asked what is a kid because an Islamic uh interpretations a kid is 9 years old or lower not 18 this is why they have to cover up because they're sexual objects at that point so they usually don't wear head scares until they're like 14 or 15 but okay in some places children as young as that yeah um more power to them but yeah I don't know I'm just I'm sure maybe there's a link there maybe not I don't know but there are obviously there's going to be problems is all I'm saying and some of them invisible and some of them underreported you know and it's the people on the street I think that we're seeing rioting that probably know a little bit more about this than than maybe we do you know they are from areas where apparently is maybe I'm wrong but apparently they're from areas that are very Multicultural maybe that's why they're rioting I don't know but they're also getting a bunch of [ __ ] [ __ ] Ram down their throats from Tommy Robinson like he's trying to he's literally lying about every event that's happening right now I want to see the burka women get rickets I'm trying to find I want to see this now I'm C I'm curious about this she said it's not in the Press well how would she guys I'm just I'm gonna do 10 more minutes with just because I think Callum loner box and Jack you guys have had the most talking we haven't heard much from Lucy and Shawn and I'm sure they have some debate points with Destiny and then I'll probably end with just chatting with Lucy since she was here uh for the least amount of time but I will start with a few super chats sorry got to got to include the chat in this uh actually there's a few questions for people as well um Nigeria has more V British values than Germany says Le Cana Max McDonald says for everyone why do you think nation states were formed in the first place and held together so long it seems most of human history was nation states and not what we have now sorry I got to get through these so I a few of them will stop but Kyle Brenan says can you ask [ __ ] live Destiny the difference between nationality and ethnicity does he understand that English is an ethn do you understand that stepen I don't think you guys I have no idea listen however you guys def find it is fine but I hear everybody use these words differently so that's the only reason I ask Bonk man why can't you guys stop being politically correct and just say you want a Muslim ban they all need to go brew master I support a ban on all immigration from all societies that don't share our values and not racist because I know we would be weak to ethnically targeted bioweapon if we were an ethn State Kenzie Kraken Lucy was Tommy's speaking tour in Canada aranged by Rebel for the purpose of raising Tommy profile and the save Tommy donations is he an addict Lucy oh do we have Lucy here sorry m s went funny can you hear me y yep I put burer rickets in chat by the way um what did what was it something about Tommy's they asked if his speaking tour was arranged by Rebel for the purpose of RA raising his profile and the save Tommy donations I don't think it was to do with raising like for donations like everything he does I mean it's his job everything he does is to raise his profile but um yes I think he's an addict I think I'm I'm not happy about it I hope he gets clean and it just seems like a lot of bad mistakes he makes in a not sober State that's what I would say about that but no I I think that I don't know it's hard to say like obviously Beth nodwell I don't know if you saw that Viral clip of her talking about her big night out with Tommy and how awful like he was behaving and D D D um but it's a hard one it's a hard one to be honest I've just I've just seen a lot of dodginess there that I just I don't know if it's just greed and power that's got to his head I don't know I don't know also just as a quick thing this is a 2012 article but okay gelfling if you want to understand the UK's current situation you need to understand the failure of multiculturalism and social integration squat every day we built the greatest Empire the world has ever seen whilst exporting people Kyle Vernon lower wages doesn't mean lower priced Goods prices haven't gone down one bit big corporations eat the profits from lower wages and GDP growth Elijah bores question is it not understandable to concentrate some derision towards Islam post stabbings given the UN alive the Infidel influence at yields I think the argument here is that this guy wasn't necessarily following that Doctrine so that's the debate going on Jeremy hey Lauren out of curiosity because you actually lived in Australia do you think that Australia's Healthcare is better than the US uh yeah yeah I do they had a pretty good Healthcare System to be honest although there's been times where I've gone across the border to the US for healthcare because as the timeline would have been ages to wait in Canada Way the system's way too backed up it's very broken here okay super chats are done um like I said 10 more minutes with everyone here and then Callum loner box Jack I will give you guys a chance to say goodbye are there any thoughts you want to bring up that you feel have been is anyone here you like there's a big issue that has not been talked about yet that I really need to discuss I mean it would have been awesome to talk more about the like UK riots rather than like weird hypotheticals and factoids or whatever but that seemed like the direction was going Birmingham that's going on yeah I saw I saw a pub being invaded Plymouth and Birmingham so in Birmingham I think you've got um Muslims in the street going around looking for edl people or whoever and in Plymouth you had um rightwing versus left wing and then from from what I saw it was still going on like five minutes ago I don't you send me any videos of that I'll bring them up on screen and we can talk about that because I actually would like to bring this conversation to the initial debate that we were having um on Twitter Stephen which was the comparison between the BLM and the UK riots and I mean we've everyone here that is more against the mass immigration policy has been asked to condemn the violence they've been asked to say people shouldn't be doing this they've been you know you've had the leader of the UK come out and say he's going to be just totally cracking down on anyone supporting this even online do you at least you know loner box and Destiny do you see the bias coming from the leader of the UK we played a video earlier on this stream where there was his reaction to the BLM riots where many people died but he was saying these were legitimate grievances people had he was saying you know quoting MLK giving his support to BLM Riders versus these riots going on in the UK he's come out and said they're all essentially bigots that will go to jail and will regret their decision to Riot why do you agree that there's a bit of a two-tier justice system bit of hypocrisy going on there I think uh I think if you just watched those two clips and assumed he was only talking about the BLM riots and did know anything about K starmer's past you would think is a double standard you know in the 2011 London riots which mostly featured left wiers and disproportionate level of minorities K starmer was the director of public prosecutions he kept the Courts open 24 hours a day he allowed magist STS to pass longer and tougher sentences to set an example exactly what he's doing now the whole idea was get them sentenced as quickly as possible so that everyone else knows oh [ __ ] that person I rioted with last night they just went down I'm not going again yeah this guy and on BLM in the UK when that happened even though the rioting in BLM in the UK was like people defacing a few statues and throwing one in the river for the most part the first six days of this have exceeded basically any of the violence of BLM in the UK uh Kier starmer uh they didn't like him because he said that defund the police was a nonsense and he also uh challenged the people who threw Edward Coulson statue in the river even though they were later acquitted by a jury of their peers so yeah K ster has always been he's a prosecutor he's always been a fair Centrist when it comes to like uh Law And Justice and all that [ __ ] so uh yeah I don't know that clip is kind of a little bit misleading on its own um okay I'm gonna there there actually is a bit of rioting going on right now so I'm going to bring up the video and just play it in the background well you guys chat Stephen did you have any thoughts on that I I don't know what statements he said about BLM or what statements he said about the UK ride so I can't I can't speak to any of that I have no idea what he said which one's your favorite of what I'm J sorry oh for the I mean I must be Riot [ __ ] was [ __ ] but I think it's just funny that everybody likes to support their rids because their RS are always based and awesome and the other people's RS are fake and gay so I just it's interesting to me White lives matter who wins not considering most people that post White lives matters are probably 35 years old living their parents basement probably the be on people because they're all they've got the warrior genes right so I probably have to throw my lot in with them I just want to say watching those scenes of Muslims and uh like anti-immigrant people throwing bottles at each other from a police [ __ ] barrier between them just gave a really like a good old firm reminiscence I think it's maybe a really good example of integration that uh Muslims have discovered football violence in the UK they're also giving each other Nazi salute which is quite nice I've just had a m interest I just had a message from someone who has a partner that works in a hospital and they said apparently rickets is like a really well-known Hush Hush thing within the Bangladesh and Pakistani Community apparently it's all just they just know it but they can't really say it so there you go oh well we got a DM yeah wait Rick is that can you infect other people medical student in White Chapel and he said that's [ __ ] so [ __ ] I just got three DMS from different doctors saying yeah actually burka supercharged the vitamin D in your body concentrating medical school I'm gonna ask her hang on I have to wear a burer for a year and do a test I'm glad everyone's getting along so well yeah sorry sorry for being short Destiny I just uh I just kind of want to add to speaking about the BLM riots I saw the same thing in in 2020 when there BLM riots here of course be honest why because the police you know there's no there's barely any police violence that goes in the UK we don't even carry guns um but it was the same uh level of two-tier policing that I've seen uh compared to the violence rights we saw in leads in hair Hills just a couple weeks ago where the police just certainly weren't present and then Theos to the rots we've seen this week where the rot police came up it was the same in 2020 the police were kneeling for BLM protesters in London uh when the next week people came out on the save our statues protest because they're being defaced uh in uh in Westminster Square you know the riot police were out there already with bats and they just whacking people over the head I saw noses covered in blood you know on on pretty much again a a much more peaceful protest than the BLM was just one week before so this two-tier policing you know a two-tier care very fitting name for the new PM um has been going on for a while especially when it comes to the exent for the biggest of the BLM protests in in the UK what was the largest one what was like the most damage CA where the most people killed well I mean we we didn't really have all were protest butr saw I saw BLM people just absolutely beat The Living Daylights of people who they suspected were edl I saw one guy get his face absolutely bashed in front of him by water station um in June 2020 he was just completely innocent that's fine but you're saying that there were no rides or just protests what would the police be there for no but then because because the police are always in London at protest the police are pretty much always there to control it as as Lucy would well know yeah but if there was no these weren't riots I don't understand what were what tell you what the problem was I'll tell you what the problem was it says that the biggest one was around the 6th of June there was quite a few by the looks of it if you look there's like a whole Wikipedia page but I remember the issue was with it um they were big I got caught in one in the car it was weird but um it was during Co that was the thing that really annoyed everyone because it happened during covid so they marched to the US Embassy I think and they were like oh lockdown rules apply for you know apply for but not for me um wait okay wait I'm looking at I'm looking yeah so I'm looking at this Wikipedia thing it seems like people were arrested though so doesn't that mean the cops were there yeah there was yeah no the police were there compared to what I saw on the round but there were the policing was Far heavier at the you know sort of anti-m counter protest that was the week afterwards well were there more people arrested in those things because I see so 14 police officers were injured during the clashes and 14 protesters were arrested are you saying there were counter protests where like hundreds of people were arrested or 50 people were arrested or what's which big counter protest it was it was the attitude of the police but you can see that again I head of the rots in hair Hills gotcha so just to be clear we went from we went from there were no police at the BLM things to now there were police now the police arrested more people so we went from there were no police there now there a lot of Poli now was just the attitude of the police okay thank you the police were kneeling at the BLM protest in London they weren't doing they were kneeling when they arrested 14 people no it says there are clashes between the police and the protesters were they kneeling at the clashes did they fight on their knees or what no some of them but obviously as as I said it was a difference in policing it was immediately BLM but obvious obviously obviously obviously both ways you know like the riots that we're seeing right now are in no way comparable to either side of the protests in 2020 but what what the riots right now are comparable to was the riots in leads and hair Hills just a couple of weeks ago where the police weren't even present one bit the police turned up and then they ran away when right now at all of these rots police have been very present as they should be you know to control Law and Order how do you spell leader what are these about comparison um it was it was it was a uh a Romany uh person father uh had tried to have their child removed for there was alleged child AB no I'm asking what how do you spell I just want to look him up I I would never trust your sumary of this event oh sorry sorry leads so it's leads and then it was it was in hair Hills specifically in leads hair in I don't know what were arrested in Hill that's number I found it don't worry arill help you spell leads I got it yeah there were 27 arrests in haill that's about the same as each like Town that's been hit here right again if you want if you want a good analogy 2011 riots I know the reason you guys don't want to go to that one is because the 2011 riots which were about comparable to these ones in terms of concentration of violence London was actually more but when that happened Kier starmer the prosecutor rammed his [ __ ] brick shaped knob through all protesters like a [ __ ] like like a like a cop yeah like someone who Law and Order H was that when he what was his job before like a judge or something he was director of he was director of prosecutions when he did that in 2011 wait how many people how many people have been arrested with in the current riots right now 4 500 okay so I just I looked up the leads thing so I don't know how big the leads right was but apparently 27 people were arrested in connection with the leads thing so they one night there's only one nighted in one city there were people were arrested people arrested as well yeah some of them are like less than 10 arrested for these on I'm sorry guys I'm I've got the plyo video playing for people watching and this guy that just gotou pouth Plymouth Plymouth Lauren we have we have all so many places and you need to know their name specifically even though they're not pronounced how they're spelled at all you know we will make fun of right pronoun some old dude he got hit by a police shield and I got to I got to ask the chat like he absolutely faked that fall there's no way look at this please okay he's either drunk or he's faking that fall chat I need I need a second opinion chat is this real is this real wait watch this watch Okay police Shields you guys if you watch My Stream in real time is he just drunk or did he completely like soccer fake that fall and then he has a bunch of people surround him and try to pick him up I'm just waiting for the late stream to kick in so I can see it wait for the late stream to kick in I need a second opinion because we used to have a woman that was like one of these kind of activist people here called B Amy yeah that was does anyone remember B Amy English chaps do you remember her she she popped the Trump balloon oh Rings a bit of a bell falling over she was really good she would always fall over like see yeah that was well he got hit in the face once and then he got slightly B over that seems absolute gam drunk a little bit dramatic you know Insurance claim Insurance claim but hey you know like like like like head injuries are no joke that's why I mean I got myself checked out after I got beting up at on Southport you know they just started beating you up and when you said like I'm I'm on side they just didn't care oh yeah no no they absolutely didn't care care at all they were just like journalists and you know like slap him so they did and now I've got a new tooth in my trouble so did it feel like that moment where the guys are yelling I'm on your side and the BLM people throw the brick through the window did it feel like that yeah I suppose it kind of did a little bit you know but hey it's like you know I mean I understand why people they would feel complete animosity towards journalist because so it's the main stream media did you know does lie I mean they lied about people getting busted in you know like it was a mix of you know people from Southport itself and from the surround it's like every dog [ __ ] conspiracy theory [ __ ] if I was going to debate like this whole [ __ ] topic I needed to reading because it's like every [ __ ] conspiracy theory like all rolled into one stupid [ __ ] thing H but I don't know anything about [ __ ] British politics so I'm just working on my j6 not on that gets lost by a lot of the mainstream media when they do just look for clickbait headlines and you know like like for example I saw I saw some of the locals who were then saying it to the writers like why are you doing this why are you burning this down like this is our home and you know and all of this stuff just gets got completely lost in it so yeah just so you know like that summary you gave was the same as like every mainstream arle I've read on these riots but yeah yeah well it C it certainly wasn't by Tuesday yeah now now now they can push under the rug you know to the cop who telling the media that they're busting but I'm gonna start winding stream down a little bit so uh Jack Callum loner box uh I'm going to get you guys to just kind of tell people where they can find you even hello um and follow your work I'll start with Callum since you are one of the first people here where can people follow you and find what you're doing right now yeah so I've run a YouTube channel talk called britanica I'm sorry about my screen it froze because the phone died but if you'd like uh travel Vlogs especially in weird and interesting places go to branica and you'll find those probably the most interesting ones are the Afghanistan uh trip in Taliban controlled Afghanistan and the simbabwe one which I just did seeing the ruins of redia and if you'd like to become a a multi-millionaire or billionaire only in Zimbabwe dollars if you subscribe on subscribe star I will send you uh well several million if not billion Zimbabwe and dollars in the post so there we are ranica I'm just going to see if I can bring it up here on the stream so people can see all right sorry this is going to be janky but it'll will show you the channel everyone and I believe you said are you able to spoil your next location that you're going to um this is guess so so I got invited by Professor Edward Dutton to go to Finland and see the fins because his basically he's been living there he's got Finnish wife got Finn kids all that or half finish and one of the funny things is the swedes and the fins in Finland couldn't be more different because the swedes are Europeans and the and the fins are not Europeans they come from the the step the same place as the Mongols so they just have all these weird quirks like their language is massively different and also they just can't handle alcohol CU they don't have 2,000 year history of drinking beer so I'm going to go see how weird the fins are I suppose why not strange place they really like their saunas love their saunas did you do the get in the sauna and then dip in the ice thing no no I have a very strange Finland story I'll share it one day on stream but not today Jack I think you know it yeah I think you did yeah that one is deep in the vault until yeah anyways Callum thank you you so much everyone go check out Britannica the travel Vlogs look lovely I'm going to watch some of these and uh next Jack Hadfield my friend for many years where can people find you true uh you can find me uh at Jack hads on X um all of my other social medias are on my website which is Jack Hadfield doc. just diverts my link treade but it's nice nice and easy to have a fanasy domain um I so I write primarily in report for theuer so they are at theuer now on X and they are theuer doom so it's public with an athe public.com so that's who I work for and yeah most of my posting uh goes on my X page so yeah Jack hats on X and that's where you can find me yeah just put it up on the screen Jack Hatters he does good work and he's going to be doing more reports on these riots for sure so with my new tooth for with with your new tooth yes do you still have the fundraiser up for that uh yeah I think I I might be let me see if I can gra I need to chip in a chip in a yeah yeah what it was it was this tooth here it was completely it was chipped off diagonally in uh in in the attack so pretty painful I still have some pretty mad mouth ules right now that I'm making sure to rinse with salt water and get slded out as much but I think I got off pretty lightly to be honest oh dear all right [Laughter] [ __ ] journalist got to go hey you I've got ajab in my Twitter bu for a reason yeah oh my gosh and loner box who are you what do you do where can people find you yeah hey I'm learner boox I'm a YouTuber you can find me on YouTube My Channel's called uh learner boox I love Law and Order and I hate watching uh thumb faced coked up loser [ __ ] trying to Insight riots from my country in a five-star hotel in Cypress like some white hajam in Al husseini wannabe but anyway it's nice meeting you guys I'm glad we can have these discussions even if we disagree on many such things uh take care all right if you would like to follow this [ __ ] lib you can find his uh X account there loader box all right have a good one guys bye-bye and uh how do I I I don't know how to kick you you're going to have to leave we'll leave out the bye there we go bye by you don't you know why did Shawn leave I told Shawn to stay loan a box box loner is that him box loner so what's happening wait wait wait oh Boomer wait I didn't Lauren sir return hello hello this is not what I intended okay give them one minute everyone go harass him on X so Destiny have you ever been to our lovely Island over here you ever been to the UK uh I've been to uh a couple of the bonger lands but never Ireland before what did you think did you have a nice time did you have a crumpet and some tea um you know it was okay yeah despite the Brits being fix my audio Jesus it's fixed okay you're really loud now cuz I've got you like blasted on here okay I figured it out whatever you figured out figure it out like 20% less okay no she's got to adjust it I've adjusted it but yeah turn your gain down a bit because I think you also turned that up when Stephen was telling you how to fix your audio and it's still I I down to my end wait all right I turn it down as I'm talking yeah yeah I my recording software records at a very low input and uh apparently that changes it on all platforms and I can't fix any I fix my recording software perfect wonderful so um all right I I want to start with a A I've got a interesting actually I probably should have read this email before Callum and Jack Le left okay whatever um Stephen what level of immigration would you say is too much what level of immigration and like cult culture disappearing from the UK would you say people can start to riot at is it none is it it's a nonsense question if you want to design an immigration policy then you have to start with the things that are important to you then you have to figure out which of these things are worth protecting and what they're worth sacrificing things for then you have to figure out how to measure these things and then you have to figure out how to measure like an immigrant's impact on these things and then how to test for it you don't have to have exact numbers for all this but you should have something in mind for all of this if you've never thought about any of these questions you're probably just racist um that's what I would say so when years ago should have thought about that years ago over here cuz we're small we're a small little island we're a small island so I don't know who crunched the numbers but it's clearly unmanageable and someone should have thought about that no yes I'm not over I don't live in the I don't protest immigration so about all of the policies what about all of the policies that Shawn presented saying this is what they do in Denmark you know they have these cultural cultural do you believe cultural integration and assimilation is racist when people to B that it can be it also couldn't be it just it depends on what people mean when they say cultural and racial assimilation it depends on what you mean by that I mean I don't think they're assimilating them racially but culturally yeah they like they educate their kids like Denmark's or whatever Demar I don't know what they call it citizenship if you're a refugee you don't get just to hang around in the country they put you in a third party country one of the ones that they use ironically is Rwanda as a third party country like they have a bunch of policies to limit people coming to their country and to screen them would you be against that you've said nothing that's even worth responding to there you haven't given me any you said they screen people coming into their country obviously I'm in favor of that and then V some vague illusion to culture like give me give me something like quantifiable or give me something you can speak about like some specificity yeah so if you're if you're foreign born they'll put you in uh in classes until like as young as age five to educate you in how Den like Denmark Society Works what is that denark societ they teach you how to drive or they teach you like what how to read the values of the societ the values you're not saying anything you're not saying anything you understand do do you acknowledge you're not saying anything do you understand that you're not saying anything they call them like they call them cultural education class like okay they're trying to teach them how to integrate into the culture that is there rather than just try to force their home culture or go Multicultural in their Nation I I can't there's nothing to respond to I don't I don't know what I don't even know if you know what that means what is what is Danish culture what does that mean no you're speaking in vague nothingness you're not saying anything of value what does it mean to say that you're integrating somebody into a culture what does it mean to say that you don't bring like the cultural values from your place has a culture I'm asking you you're making the I'm just asking you what that means I think Denmark has a culture what is what is Danish culture what does that mean is a culmination of you know social behaviors how you as simple as how you shake your hand um okay so is that something that they should teach then you have to shake a hand a certain way or well you know I I can't even get a handshake from someone like Ali dawa because I'm a woman but uh it's the language it's also shared history like there are shared history is not something like you like you know the history or like you have the ethnic history what ises shared history me so I use so I use an example of croatians and serbs often when I talk about this because people will be like oh this is just a race thing and I'm like you croatians and serbs look have to we don't have to talk about croatians Serv we just talk about Danish people what does mean shared history have a shared history their have a history they've got Wars that have gone on just racism we can just be racist I think racism is based okay I'm 35 I spend a lot of time on the internet let's just hate brown people I think that's [ __ ] awesome these both both of these groups are white that I'm talking about okay we can hate white people too okay I'm BLM we hate white people as well I'm Progressive we hate all those what is what is racist explain to me like I'm five what is racist about me saying that serbians and croatians have shared histories that are different the actual answer for any I'll do this one time for anybody that's listening okay if you constantly allude to trying to protect a culture or protect a society from the dangers of immigrants but you can never name a particular or specific thing then everybody that's looking at you is going to think well if they don't really know what they're trying to protect they don't have any way to protect it they have no way to measure to protect it and they can't speak to anything with specificity congratulations language is one thing but that's the first time you brought it up so I'm glad I finally push you on one conrete thing did I not say it's the way you shake your hand it's language it's shared history you just ignored that I'm sorry are we talking about sign language now is that what shaking your hand is shaking your hand is not language three different these were three different examples I didn't hear you say language earlier but I what my explanation was that okay I didn't hear it that okay my uh the explanation is that if you can't name particular specific things that you're trying to protect about a particular culture but you're just scared of and then you always use theas Mass migration Mass Migra kind of sounds like you just don't want like certain typ of country the way that the host country would treat women would be an example as compared to what the migrants would do like in their normal or their original country like that's not something that's worth protecting or let's use the us as an example like what would be they did the No No Square Dance didn't they they had to do the No No Square Dance you remember that but in the United States in the united states in the United States how do we treat women like what would be a what would be a value for how we treat women in the US do you think like everybody that comes to this country should be on the same page about that women full legal right that what full legal rights we get to drive okay if I were to look at which ethnic group in the United States is the most in favor of removing the right to vote from women what do you think that ethnic group would be permanently online white people okay so should I design my immigration policy then around be white people though I don't know that seems to play really well for a different demograph which who Muslims you can just say it I don't know why you guys are [ __ ] audience perhaps males if I were to go to a repeal the 19th or whatever rally you think I'm going to see it's going to be black people or Hispanic people or Muslim people or have you seen the fresh and fit Live Events also if you think of the terminally online they tend to be or um repeal the 19th people they tend to be highly Hispanic as well there's just saying but I have I have another question about denmarkian immigration policy so one of the things that they do for Asylum Seekers is they'll confiscate portions of their property to pay for the services that they're going to receive would you be in favor of that um probably not that sounds horrible but they're like desperate and need to their country for like safety or whatever excuse they it hold on first of all um can you go into Discord and either turn on Pusher talk or turn or lower the volume sensitivity because your mic is cutting off sometimes but I think it's because it's not picking it up enough um lower the Sensitivity I don't know if you want me to mess with these settings when I on on Discord for the voice activation your mic keeps getting cut off and I think it's because your voice is dropping below a certain threshold oh here's a good one we've actually had a Serial pooping problem in Canada lately with new immigrants pooping great that's awesome okay the um that's that's actually a cultural thing people super care about that's great and I okay um the uh what about what about wait went one thing at a time instead of Gish Galloping all the [ __ ] [ __ ] racist [ __ ] you guys talk about your telegram groups please holy [ __ ] one thing at a time okay is when you talk about Sean when you talk about um Asylum seeking in your mind what should a refugee or Asylum policy be for like in the ideal like construction of it what should that be for you should go to the next country that is closest to you you don't get to pick your first choice who who who like what but what is but what is the process of that what like why like why does Asylum seeking exist like what's the point of that if you're supposed to be fleeing oppression or persecution of some kind or your place is too dangerous for yourself whether it be for political reasons National sec I'm sorry BR okay yeah cool okay yeah I agree yes so if we are to understand that people that are seeking Asylum are people that are fleeing some [ __ ] situation Home Country I don't know why I would expect my country if you're doing that this is basically like a charitable work you're taking an asylum secret not because they're a good worker not because they'd uh like even benefit your country but because you feel like you have some World obligation to help people from countries that are you know suffering some kind of horrific event so in that case would I want to take things from people that are coming to my country as somebody who is uh like seeking Asylum probably not there feel like a very good thing to do it feels like taking a guy in off the street is homeless and being like Hey listen I'm like I'm going to help you and feed you and stuff but like those are some nice shoes I don't know you got them but you're going to have to give them toone to help you like it just doesn't seem like a it doesn't seem like a I would do that when you have the when you have the issue of people trying to defraud the immigration system by fraudulently claiming Asylum this is a good way to sort on whether or not people are actually in Desperate Straits and need to get into your country or they're just economic migrants using another system okay but what you just said makes it sound hold on so you said that this would first of all if people are trying to defraud the immigration system everyone in here well I know you guys do but I would agree as well that's bad you shouldn't try to defraud the immigration system okay defraud it's built into the word we shouldn't ever be lying okay if we're trying to prevent people from coming in UMC and we're putting some like economic filter on it that has nothing to do with being a refugee a wealthy person in a country could still be targeted by we could imagine a communist or fascist take over in a country where they start to kill all of a certain ethnic or religious group it doesn't matter if you're wealthy middle class or poor you might still have to flee from that country right so why would I want to take things from the wealthy or middle class people fleeing because you there's a cost associated with caring for these people like money doesn't come out of nowhere so yeah you have to offset the cost in some way okay but then in that case you're not really doing anything in terms of like ref it doubles as a secondary screening mechanism for these people because if these people are just choosing to be economic migrants but under a fraudulent thing they'll go to another nation that doesn't have that restriction which is why they have it in Denmark okay wait first of all I don't know how this would so you're talking about taking things from people as a secondary screening mechanism one I don't understand that and two I understand that there's secondary screening mechanism two I understand that there would be a cost associated with it but we don't do refugees or Asylum seeking that International that concept that's not for bolstering your economy this is a thing that this is like a charitable contribution to the world when you take in refugees you're doing a good thing or a nice thing you're not trying to offset the cost that's the point of that right I'm aware of that okay yeah so then at the same time you have limited resources there's plenty of people around the world that are in Dire Straits and you have to have some way of screening them out because you end up in a horrible situation in the United States where if you're in uh if you're an actual legitimate Asylum Seeker you have all these different various people that are just economic migrants that pass through six countries in order to get here that are clogging up the system so if you're actually in need of help you're you're totally screwed over you're totally blanketed by all these other economic migrants so yeah having some screening system implemented I think makes sense another policy that makesense wa wait when you say when you say when you say screening issue for economic migrants if you're or having a deterrent having a deterrent for this kind of fraud like you know what if you're coming in with a bunch of valuable property then you got to turn some of that over to pay the cost of of your you being maintained but but wouldn't the people coming over wouldn't the people who are economic migrants over to work come with nothing aren't you just screening out all the people that would be genuine refugees like you're just taking like or or a lot of them that could be like if you're just taking poor people that want to work those are economic migrants they're not going to have anything for you to take on this secondary like I mean people tend to have certain things that they would take like like you know again like these people that are claim these they take jewelry or a bunch of different things from these migrants okay so if people are migrating here okay if if you get if I'm not migrating I'm sorry if you get two Asylum Seekers that are married you're taking their wedding rings you're taking their Grandma's jewelry like what or are you saying if they come like decked out with like $50,000 worth of bling I don't think it goes specifically to their wedding rings and I wouldn't be in favor of that but yeah if you have like if you have this property and you're going to depend on the taxpayer and you're asking for entry into their country to live off their system then you should contribute whatever you can like you want these people to have buy into the system okay but then that's fine but then in that case I feel like we're talking of asy but this doesn't feel it's not this doesn't feel more like a country helping with refugees it looks like a country trying to look for a particular type of worker it's not looking for a specific kind of worker it's you're trying to deter people who are just economic migrants from coming into your country this is a mechanism that they have developed in Denmark in order to do so okay like if somebody really needs to get into Denmark it should be no problem for them to turn over whatever but what ultimately ends up happening is a lot of these people refuse to do so because they're going to look for another country with much softer immigration laws and take advantage of their system sure let me understand what you're saying so you're saying that in Denmark if you go to Denmark they run like a they run a net wealth analysis on you and if you're worth over a certain amount net wealth analysis like the confiscation of certain property okay do you understand that when you speak you usually you say nothing like you said the confiscation of specific property I'm trying to figure out like what like what property exle I an example that I give was jewelry at and then I asked you about like wedding rings or like family heirlooms and you said no so I'm asking you like what do they so that's all they do is they just look for jewelry like earrings or what or other valuable property that they might have like what like can you link me this Danish what I what do I have to look for to find this D Danish policy for what is this for Asylum seeking or all right I'll pull it up for you that come here don't even have a passport they Chuck it in the sea some of them yeah I would also not let who destroys their documents literally interviewed people in person in Morocco who were telling me they did that and are doing that in Spain as well in France they were told by every trafficker to throw their papers in the sea because then they can't be deported yeah so I don't think they have loads of jewelry is what I don't think they're rocking up like Mr T on the boats you know what I mean I think I think the iPhone would be the most expensive thing they have and they won't want to take that so they seize valuables valued more than 10,000 CR owner again that's why I gave jewelry as an example which is €1,000 I'll link on article when they passed the policy back in 2016 from the BB soy everybody's favorite state run news agency who oh yeah okay you have me okay so there's a 2016 article I see this so it says wedding rings will be exempt um raise the amount revenues will be allowed to keep for 3 C to 10,000 falling objections um okay I have this okay so you shown me this um I don't know if there's something more current but I'm trying to find this so this is saying here that this policy hasn't been used a single time 3 years after Denmark's Infamous jewelry law hits world headlines not a single piece has been confiscated is this is this something they actually do or use or I'm saying would you be in favor of this policy well I already said principally no I don't know why I would want to rob people that are trying to seek asylum in my I think it works as a good I think it works as a good deterrent why do you think it works as a good deterrent because if you have assets that you're trying to bring in and you're just an economic migrant you would go to a different European country what do you think economic migrant is when you say economic migrant what does that mean to you that you're just coming there to work and and you're defrauding either the refugee or Asylum system okay if you're an economic migrant aren't the vast majority of economic migrants poor isn't that why they're moving to work I mean that doesn't mean they have nothing no but generally they don't come they're not coming with like thousands of dollars worth of stuff actually okay wait wait okay since I've been on the ground and I've actually gone into these camps and spoken to these people met a lot of them literally been in the I actually just had 100 economic migrants messaged me Lauren and they said that that the people that talked to you were lying so I don't know how to believe now yeah my bad that's great um anyway I you assume like Po is like not a dollar Ty like a bunch of these no I would I would assume that econom migrants are people that generally aren't carrying around thousands of dollars of cash with them that's what I would assume yes I'm going to fight you guys in real life will not let me finish my story all right sorry goad you have to have money to get on these boats it's like 5,000 in some cases to get on these boats over from Morocco to to go to Spain it's thousands of dollars to get on these it's people who actually have money that are able to take these trips not people who are dirt poor so when we talk about economic migrants like one guy I spoke to who was making his way from Turkey into uh Camp Moria in Greece which has now been burned down was telling me he was a barber in Turkey for 5 years had a pretty good time but then he was told by a trafficker who by the way go out and find people and recruit them hey you could have a better life in EXC country or Y country am I making this up I thought I watched and I could be wrong you can tell me you there was some blonde chick that did a documentary on illegal immigrating into the United States from Mexico and I thought wasn't she interviewing people that said things like people sell everything in order to be able to afford the trips up here to the United States do you remember this what was it called for sure yeah okay so do you think the average person is like a decently wealthy middle- class person why would they want to ilegally immigrate to another country if they've got like enough money to float like a few thousand dollar because they are being promised like I spoke to people in Morocco who were telling me and by the way the Mexican immigration and the European immigration is different it's a different situation there are similarities but they are different um I had people showing me videoos saying I'm going to become a famous soccer player in the UK they're a little delusional about what you think that's the average you think the average person thinks they're going way more common than people want to admit they going to bealy way more common if there were 10 of them that would be more common than I would think but are you saying like 20% of people they going to be footballers I'm talking I'm talking the majority of these people believe they are going to be wealthier and live significantly better lives than the lives they get when they come to Europe the vast majority maybe not everyone thinks they're going to be a professional footballer but all of them think they're going to get a lot more money than they eventually do no one thinks they're going to be living under bridges in Paris like what usually ends up no one not one person living under a bridge in Paris told me this is what I expected but that's what happens to them and then they end up committing crime because they home can they do they go back thr their passports out you can watch my movie on it they've thrown their passports out they literally can't even get deported if they wanted to they can't get another copy their P it's over there's no embassies anymore they burn them all down there's no way to get back into they're just go they're paperless stateless people now they can't go back they don't have the money to go back they've already illegally immigrated there's a lot of wait I thought you said that these people were like decently wealthy now they don't have any money or they just happen to have onlyy they are they are wealthier than the dirt poor people that can't afford to make these trips for sure but they're not bajil we're not talking about super wealthy people that are coming over we're talking about people that have small businesses we're talking about people that have a home but sold it so they could take the trip thinking they're going to have a better life we're not talking you think the people that have small businesses represent a sizable portion of people coming leg who are throwing away their passort I don't think that's true I super don't that's true okay do you see a lot of women and children it's it's men who are like I'm going to give up my life and I'm going to see if I can make a new it's men who are 18 to 22 not small business owners okay with like net worths and ass job they have hous they have money they have money to pay the 5,000 for these trips you but isn't that usually because they're like selling everything they have sure in some cases not in all of them there are people who have a lot of money that are able to get these trips much higher R you saying I don't think I if the people you're talking about s like a 1% like my guess would be can we look this my guess would be the vast majority of people when I say 80% of like people that are migrating illegally by boat or whatever the [ __ ] else po poor these are not the these are not the poorest in their Community the poorest cannot afford I'm not saying I didn't say the poorest maybe they're the second tier poorest but they're sure as [ __ ] not middle class or wealthy I mean they might be middle class in their country in their exactly in their countries yes okay do can we hook me up with some numbers on this I didn't see anything about the Danish like massively enforcing this jewelry policy so where are what are we looking at when we're trying to say that like I was asking if you're in favor of this policy I said no because I don't because when I think of refugees or Asylum stuff that's generally like that's like a charity that you do to the world it's not a thing that you're doing for economic or fiscal reasons so that's why I I wouldn't assume that you would like charge people and I could even think of like a number of reasons why you wouldn't want to do that like I wouldn't want to have somebody who's an asylum Seeker come to my country and now I'm like [ __ ] their life over even more which means they're less likely to be able to contribute here or work or do anything else because now I've made them even poor like that just seems like why would you why would you ever want to do that it just seem so weird well a lot of them aren't actually abusing the system why would you ask me what would my ideal regulation look like for somebody abusing the system my ideal regulation they don't abuse the system I mean like but you set you set up a system with as many safeguards to prevent abuse of the system as possible but that doesn't sound like it would Safeguard it if somebody's wealthy enough to be carrying that much money they would just leave the money in the bank at home or if you guys are talking about remittances they would just leave the money with family at home and they would just travel with nothing how are you going to be able to subpoena a person's like Rwanda bank account if they're trying to legally immigrate into your country first of all Denmark has it Rwanda might not be the best example cuz they do have a relationship with them since they use them as a third party country for screening refugees but that was a really good dodg didn't answer my question at all but I'm just saying if somebody illegally immigrants to a country and they wouldn't know anyway because you guys are saying they tossed their papers so how would they even know well yeah I think you shouldn't admit somebody if they destroy their passport before they come into your country that is a great that's a sensible policy that I would definitely enforce in the United States that's true 1 trillion in the United States do we take people with no passports are you accepted into the people destroy their passports at the border and for asyl I'm asking do we accept people in the United States with no paperwork and no passports if they claim Asylum we do yeah we process them when you say you we process them is part of the processing meaning if you can't verify the person then they get tossed there's plenty of people no they get you see how you're not answering any question hold on do you do this intentionally when you argue no no wait wait you you every every single question I ask you give a weasel answer I ask you very specific questions on policy and it's like well there have been people do this they do do this at the border yes we will admit people at the border who leave their documents behind when they claim Asylum specifically as a matter of policy not admit them for processing I'm asking as a matter of policy in the United States of America will we allow people to live here after being processed with no paperwork and no way to verify who they are that's a policy in the united we give we give them paperwork like when they get here but yes we if you destroy your password there's a reason why they do that cuz it makes them harder to deport like we give them identity well we take information that they give us as their identity with no verification or anything they just give a name and then we admit we we attempt to verify but with as many people it is very difficult to do so and if we're unable to verify we allow them to stay in the country or well first of all enforc like I'm sure eventually people can theoretically get deported but yeah like they stay in so the answer is no you're just lying you're wrong we don't let people stay in the United States who come here with no paperwork if we can't verify ID I don't know why you're dying on this hill just say no we don't do that there might be ways people can cheat LI or defraud the system but as a matter of policy I would be surprised to find out that the United States of America it's as simple as setting a fire to your passport and then walking up claiming Asylum and you got a free ticket of the United States that would be crazy if that was the actual policy of the United States of America you still have to go through the regular Asylum process but yeah you can get admitted that's why we find all these destroyed passports before we get to the Border you keep saying get admitted yes you can come and and go through the process you come for processing like yes yes you can come into the country if they can't verify your identity and you don't have a passport you're going to get tossed yeah these people will present a different name this is usually how criminal types get their way into the country and yes you can get through the system like that if we find that you're defrauding the system under law yes you will be deported but guess what if you enter the country illegally at the border under the law it says you should be deported anyway so there's like on paper what it says you should what what it says should happen but then there's what actually happens and bunch of these people end up in this country so yes wait wait okay so firstly you just said that they have to lie and give fake identities true factual so number one you said they had to lie and get fake identities which satisfies my argument then they don't let people in without identities that aren't verified and without a passport that's why they have to fake them so so you're wrong there number one number two you're saying that wait wait the law is to deport illegals and we don't do that what do you mean what are you speaking about there what yeah like you you're supposed to deport people when they enter at the border and we let a bunch of these people in what do you mean you're supposed to deport them at the border but we let what are you refering to speci it takes and these cases take years they cost thousands of tax dollars more than that these people get housed they get money it's you know I spoke to people don't care on wait wait what is the we're supposed who are we supposed to they won't Beed who are we supposed to deport yes and thank God Donald Trump saved them by blocking the legislation in the Congress that would have actually okay you agree we need better legislation why are you that's my position your position is a ban on mass migration which is nonsense okay yeah I do think that there should be better control at the B M I'm asking I'm asking Sean what is it when you say that we are supposed to deport people leg but we don't what are you talking about there what are you referring to there do do you know how do you know how Obama got called the deporter in-chief it's because of these rapid deportations that of people who showed up at the border this was this is policy under law for people who are admitted you can get them out even quicker without putting them through the quick Le well through the lengthy legal system so that is what we used to get done that's why Obama got all those deportations under his belt most of them were basically immediate ejections so yes this is what you can do under law this is what you're supposed to do under law but instead we let these people go through the Asylum system because they're fraudulently claiming Asylum and we know they're fraudulently claiming Asylum because they passed through six countries in order to get here if we are letting people in that are claiming Asylum but we don't want to be or we do want to be why would the Democrats try to pass legislation in the house to change this why was it bled by Republicans because B denied this issue even existed for three years nothing to do with what I just said what did how did I'll that's why they wanted to pass it I'll explain it then it became really politically inconvenient for them so they wanted to pass something into law to have a w on their side so yeah the reason they wanted to pass legislation was Pol political expedience all right you too this was a scream on the UK riots so I'm going to girl boss Gaslight and gatekeep and kick the men in 2 minutes here you both have one more statement uh sure yeah Democrats tried to pass uh B tried a number of things to slow down the Asylum process at the border the idea that we allow people in who are illegal that we know they're is just it's not true it's just and that you can tell by the way there's like a weasel answer to every single question I ask you don't let people in with no paperwork um and when the answer this well if they're fraudulent and they you know Fake it Well then obviously of course um we do allow people to come to Port ports of entry and claim Asylum uh which I think is a huge [ __ ] problem right now but when Democrats tried to pass legislation in Congress uh that was authored by originally a Republican and the lford uh Trump shot it down literally Trump on his own told Republicans don't vote for this I need to keep the Border open for election issues uh which is insane so the idea that somehow Democrats still get blame for this when it is Republicans that shot down legislation under the orders of a guy who's not even in office right now okay Donald Trump it's ridiculous that Democrats still get the blame for that now that's on Republicans they get the blame for that until the election season and then we'll see what happens after that yeah I mean that's a nice talking point but Joe Biden under the campaign said he wanted these people to Surge to the Border that's who we are that's exactly what happened for three plus years into his administration until it became politically expedient for him to say oh crap I guess I got to pretend to do something related to the border so if this was the non-existent issue for three plus years then he should have just let things go as they were going but instead he has to blame Trump because they didn't want to pass some cheap win that wouldn't resolve the issue that doesn't penalize people for destroying their documents that doesn't reinstitute remain in Mexico and wouldn't actually solve the root of the problem which is a bunch of economic migrants passing through bunch of different countries on their way to the United States to abuse our Asylum system so no you don't pass a fake a law that's not really going to address the heart of the issue in order to give the guy who allowed the issue to spin out of control a cheap political win all right very good guys uh generic YouTuber also super chatted there is a huge difference between what policy is on paper and what is practiced by courts and Customs agents due to orders from heads of bureaucracy that is true all right um I appreciate you both both coming on here this was a bit chaotic it's my first stream in a long time so I just appreciate as Sean said coming to my piano recital um could Stephen I'm sure people know where to find you but if you had any you know Last Words YouTube in a video game you would like to say where people can follow you uh go right ahead and then I'll let Sean go uh youtube.com/ Destiny um yeah also Biden is on track to deport more people than Trump did so yeah thanks a lot Andy can't use title 42 to do it so inshah all right go ahead Sean uh you can find me on youtube.com actual Justice Warrior and the take a look at the net immigration numbers that was a big topic earlier on so Deport more raw number out of the millions more people that have come to the country under Biden because he asked them to legal or illegal immigration why are we conflating the two okay uh Asylum fraud is not legal you said immigra you said net immigration numbers yeah it's hella inflated by these people that come into the country under the Asylum system why would leave my call okay holy [ __ ] AIDS Asylum is required by international law correct um arguably it is but I don't think people know exactly what it has to look like it's a hard I don't think anybody's like tested it that much before but it's also it might even be part of international law too or I'm sorry uh domestic law too because um people were saying they were going to challenge Trump and Biden I think in the courts depending on what they do so but I don't know if we know the answer to that I actually think we I think we should have a really secure border I don't like that there are so many ways to get out this country illegally I think the Asylum process is really broken and actually I even agree that there should be like core cultural values related to be an American that I think you should have to have in common with us um if you're going to immigrate here um like I'm not necessarily opposed to having some kind of like English proficiency test or whatever um I'm not opposed to like having to show some sort of some sort of like C aptitude or whatever to to movie I'm not actually opposed to that but like I can get like really far into the Weeds on a lot of those different things like what types of civics should you be aware of what types of values should you broadly have um how would we measure these like coming into like I can talk about all these but when somebody's like they like I don't know if it's I don't know if the I can't tell if it's just like just the racist people in the audience don't want to hear it or anybody can perceive when I'm asking questions okay because I know there's a lot of like retards out there um for the 75 IQ people I ask a question I'm like what kind of cultural values are you trying to protect and then like I see people like do you not think they have a culture do yeah they do I'm just when you say cultureal values you don't know any Danish people I've probably been to Copenhagen and in the daneland okay more than any of these have so what when you say Danish cultural values what are you talking about or when you say British cultural values what are we talking or American cultural values what are we talking about what would you test on you don't have any answers to any of these questions and all you do is har on mass migration over and over and over and over and over again I don't know what the I don't know what I'm dealing with I don't know what I'm supposed to even say like what what is the what is the answer I don't even know what the problem is because the only solution people have given are stop M migration and Deport migrants like I don't know what that means okay Jesus haven't thought about this much um but what would be the problem with requiring documentation passport when you arrive or else you get rejected I mean if you're trying to come through a traditional manner then that would make sense the problem is um if you're trying to if you're coming here through like um like if you're an asylum Seeker or Refugee and if you're truly trying to escape you know like a genocide or some [ __ ] like that the idea that we would rob you at the border of your jewelry or like Pi people off not having enough documentation like that's not the whole point of the Asylum seeking process like the idea that people are trying to shore up fiscal losses by taking jewelry from people that are genuinely seeking Asylum and they are that's like unhinged that's just not like what refuge them or Asylum seeking should be for if people are coming to immigrate here to work and [ __ ] then yeah you should be a net contributor to the country um when for Molina to apply for a green card and [ __ ] I had to prove that I had the financial means to support her and that she wasn't going to come here and be a drag and all that [ __ ] I think that's fine I think that's an okay thing to prove you wouldn't want a ton of people immigrating in just to eat your um Social Services whatever I think that's totally fine that makes sense but for Asylum Seekers or Refugee people like imagine where you know in the 40s oh [ __ ] sorry cuz for the people that here he this the most probably don't even think the Holocaust happened but for those few of you that are racist and think the Holocaust happened I don't know how many of you are left right if somebody's coming to your country like say in the 40s okay trying to escape the Holocaust am I looking at a Jew and I'm like well [ __ ] it's going to be a big drain to have you in my country I think I'm got to kick you out like that's that's just not what like Asylum seeking is for um it's just not an appropriate like understanding of that process sorry but asking a poor asy who is probably escaping the Imperial problems created by the United States to conform in any way is just as dumb and FAS ajason I don't know okay I'm glad I still have at least one com left in my audience LOL so Destiny is basically saying that we do actually do some of the things aw is asking this asking for as far as preventing people from being a drainal in the system it one thing that I told you guys this here worked for me 8 years ago and it still works today anybody that lumps is such an easy way to understand who you're dealing with anybody that speaks about refugees and Asylum Seekers legal immigrants and illegal immigrants as the same category of people are always just racist that's it don't don't don't stress your brain trying to figure out more what they mean or what they say they're always just racist if you these these three groups of people are completely different and they should be treated completely different right the goals that we would have and they are in the US code for how you deal with like different classes of immigrants right um people that want to immigrate to the country legally should be like selected for these are people that come to the United States and you should pick and choose like you know what kind of immigrants do we want what make this country a better place who do we want to share this country with the world like these are good things you should everybody should be asking this a legal immigrants should be prevented as much as possible from getting into the country you need to have a strong border you don't want people getting here you don't know anything about you don't want people sneaking in for criminal matters um and just in general it's good to have people documented you want to have like Social Security numbers you want to be able to track people paying their taxes and you want to be able to have like information and Rec and everything like it's good so you don't want ilal immigrants at all um the legal immigrants you come here you want to select for and then for these other special classes of people you would treat them differently if there's like a humanitarian disaster say tomorrow you know like Mexico has a volcano explode and half the country gets covered in lava and you got people running to the Border you know seeking Refugee for a little bit right you're not going to be like well come in here I need to do a full background check to make sure that you're like a high- skilled worker like that's just not what that process is for you wouldn't use that process for that that doesn't make sense it's inappropriate it doesn't make any sense to it's just a bad application of it um yeah and when people speak broadly of like all these categories as being the same Asylum Seekers illegal immigrants illegal immigrants just it makes me wonder like what the [ __ ] are you even talking about like yeah nobody has an issue with people following the law uh I'm sorry but if you support Donald Trump who's like a 33 time [ __ ] felon and you're saying [ __ ] like that shut the [ __ ] up and get the [ __ ] out conservatives completely abandon any you're no longer the my goal right now for Law and Order is I want Democrats to focus more on the Law and Order thing conservatives have lost their claim on Law and Order you can never claim it not for at least like 10 or 20 years you've completely lost any High Ground when it comes to Law and Order you want a king with criminal immunity uh and and you've got a guy who's like a [ __ ] multi-win you know Championship [ __ ] 34 felon holder you [ __ ] like you have no you have no say or no claim anymore about what's legal or not legal or what or anything related to Law and Order so sorry the people who spoke to were pretty wrong about UK immigration to get any real Visa status in the UK that isn't a temporary worker or School Visa you need to pass test about British culture yeah I don't know anything about that yeah I was going to talk about the origination of the stories and the fake new [ __ ] I'm not I'm not prepared to discuss the entire British immigration system but I do know that like it it's always a really big um it's always a really big red flag when you ask for links and people give you links to like Twitter accounts um and then like a Blog by like a very very far right immigration person I like do we have like any non like it's not necessarily bad and it's not necessarily wrong but it it's a little sussy Baka makes me wonder but how do you deal with these people who speak like this without providing any facts or sources and refuse well you should though you should um you should be knowing the debate ahead of time I probably I didn't know that the conversation was get this extensive I don't give a [ __ ] but te I technically I shouldn't probably accepted this if I wasn't ready to come and fight on like every single um Point relating to immigration Lauren Li about the Greek Camp situation the reason the camps got burned down was because the camps were unironically being made open air prisons ironically unlike the Gaza claim [ __ ] I yeah I don't know I don't know she might have but I really don't know I shouldn't be reading comments I'm not actually sure whether what it's true or not