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but like the Ambiance the music whole you know just everything about it was was I want to save that for maybe later in the hour we certainly aren't going to start with the game day experience but that's a nightmare and it needs to be fixed and we will address that we got the pting stats taken off the board IRA and last night was the one time you wanted the punting stats you dominated that uh that competition but um we will get we are going to do our best to get the game day experience fixed because that is an absolute uh abject horror show yeah it is uh really quickly I was telling Corey right before you came in Iron before we came in here to start the show and our pre Jeff and I had a pre-production meeting yeah you know can send me the notes here's the thing you're so Rock Solid I'm like we don't need to include him I got to get Cory on the same page I gotta get him locked in so that we know but no I was thinking about it I I was it was a little Trek down memory lane The Good the Bad the Ugly everything in between and I was saying that from the game no no I cared that much yeah what was the good good Master model yeah yeah so yeah but no I I I I thought started thinking about like difficult conversations and the things that you're watching play out in a way that's disappointing whatever it might be I was thinking man I've been covering this team uh 26 27 years and I can remember some of the old shows going in when I knew that I was going to be really critical of Coach Bowen and I remember thinking this is gonna this is gonna suck I'm gonna have to rip you know because I felt like things were falling apart I needed to tell people what I thought I mean that's what I'm paid to do right we all are but that that's a tough thing right so you go in and you rip a legend and that's not going to go over well and then there's going to be Pockets that are really angry at you and whatever so that happens and then Jimbo you know head coach and waiting gets it built back up they win a National Championship unfortunately things off the field begin to fall apart for him it affects his on the field product and there's another dip and those were tough conversations you know and he's leaving and there's controversy and all that then the the the the the unfortunate hire of Willie doesn't work out anyhow Mike builds this thing back up wins 10 games two years ago gets incredible Buy in you know goes 13-0 a year ago uh again the culture is never in question there because you have that buyin it's how you're able to win in the transfer portal without upsetting the locker room and all these things right and you could never have predicted in a million years that we'd be two games into a season and you can legitimately begin to ask questions about the culture in that locker room right now as well well as that coaching staff having to answer really tough questions about why they're not prepared to play football and why they look indiff about playing football and you know it's like that the other stuff that was good and bad in the past there was context to it you knew like okay well this could happen you could see some of these things coming this came out of nowhere out of nowhere and and you know I get it I get people get mad at us and other people who cover this program but I I wrote this down I I wanted to make sure that I had this in our prep great prep I didn't know he didn't go on like this it was like a 20 second so this is this is Mike noral to Phil steel uh Phil steel wrote that last year FSU had 206 career starts back on the offensive line and went a perfect 13-0 winning the ACC this year they have 187 career starts and Coach norell told me earlier this week that this is his best off offensive line that he's ever had and the deepest that he's ever had That's Mike norell uh Pete themill multiple NFL Scouts have told me they expect FSU to have the country's best starting defensive line this year now that was a tweet from Pete pill quoting multiple NFL Scouts I don't think he made it up I he's not in the business just if you're at practice and you see the scouts show up there's a lot to the defensive line that's where they go all right so that's that's a tweet uh here you go Florida State to me has one of the best five probably personnel-wise teams in the country with the way they've been able to reload through the portal as well as having some good recruiting and good young players coming up in the program that they've developed I think they're one of the best teams in the country quote unquote Nick sa okay so that's quote unquote Nick sa I can keep going there are other credible people I'm not trying to deflect what I'm saying is these are people who are being told things either by NFL scouts or are in the case of Nick sain a legendary coach or Mike norvo himself telling you that he thinks is the best offensive line he's ever had and the deepest and most talented okay so how did we arrive at this place if it's not the intangible there has to be something wrong in that locker room I don't know if I buy that well then what is because I just think they're not they're some guys are not very good football players and I think the skew I think what skewed everything was the offensive line of valuation I think that Mike noral believed that about his offensive line right I think he might have been fooled by what it looked like with what it looked like what certain guys looked like with a mobile quarterback and then you go into this year and you don't have a mobile quarterback if DJ has been Mobile in the past that's one thing he has not been mobile he's mobile like a like a glacier like I me he moves a little bit so so you I think Darius Washington and morrice Smith and those Robert Scott at times dur his career Jeremiah buers they had a different quarterback back there a different style of quarterback and so I think he evaluated some of those guys based on what they could do with that kind of quarterback which they don't have right now and I think so he thought those guys were better than they are then you bring in Richie Leonard and and TJ Ferguson and I think Keandre Jones in his second year in the system I think he thought those guys were better than they are and then that defensive line looks so amazing so you see those battles in practice and I think he got fooled I think just like the scout got fooled just like we got fooled I don't think it's a this is a team that because here's the thing I've talked to people inside the program it's not like there's a buch of turds on this team and that's the frustrating thing it's it was easier to dislike the teams when Willie was here in the first couple years under Norvell because things had fallen apart like there was no accountability kids talked back kids did whatever they wanted to do this is not that team it's a team that's not very good and I don't think it's very tough but I don't think it's a cultur what you think of a normal culture issue like they're not playing hard they don't care maybe they're just not I just don't think they're very good or very tough that's my op and that's disappointing because you're in year five and uh a lot of these guys are your guys you brought well you brought them all in so they're all technically your guys why does the offensive line look like it's 2018 again why why why they've been here forever they've got 190 starts I mean and and is it because I think you're right I think it goes back to when you have a Jordan Travis back there it changes the complex of everything I also think in 2023 teams realized he wasn't going to run and that stopped your running game in 2022 he ran not as much as he did in 21 but he ran and they knew he would run and that opened up the running game the last two years you haven't had a quarterback that's run and you can't R you you can't establish a run unless you have a mobile quarterback is that but at least last year you had a you had Keon Coleman Johnny Wilson j Bell in a quarterback who could throw the football and was had some confidence about him now what's happening right now is I don't even wanted a evaluate the offensive line totally because they're in a ridiculous situation like teams know they cannot throw the football they they don't have receivers who can get open they don't have a quarterback who can throw the ball so Dar William was open that one time he was you're right he was open but you're gonna see eight or nine in the Box well that's not I to me you really can't evaluate the Run blocking in that situation yeah they've lost on some neutral fronts though um yeah they've had a lot of trouble no matter if it's stacked or not it's been interesting I agree with you I I I just yes it's not it's not a fair fight when you can't throw uh but why can't you throw but Ben that's a misevaluation once again Mike whiffed I mean let's just say it he whiffed he was wrong about DJ he's wrong about these receivers he's wrong about this offensive line he whiffed I don't even know like and I and I and I go back to it it's hard it's hard to um even say the receivers suck how would you know they're not they're not getting wide open well I'll tell you when Georgia Tech and BC are playing man yeah but you're disecting your receivers sure but maybe they're getting old we're not seeing the all 22 we don't know when he should be throwing the ball and who he should be throwing to but we know that he's whipping the ball at people's feet yeah when you're in the Box you can see if somebody's open you've seen whether they're open they weren't exactly getting open they're not running wide open but there's also you know I watch BC they don't have great receivers they only th completed 10 passes they scheme dudes open well they scheme their running backs open because you're line cover you're not g well they didn't even this time they didn't even care to cover them they weren't even out there but that the my biggest concern is really honestly at the offensive line number one because it's been five years this whole staff has been here five years um and I did and this isn't fair I'm going to go ahead and say that right away this isn't fair I'm getting that out of the way all right um Mike norell has coached 12 games when Jordan Travis was not his quarterback he's two and 10 and those two wins were at Florida where the offense wasn't great in the Louisville game third string quarterback knew he couldn't do anything with it just didn't even try that's concerning what's your theory there my theory there my theory there is if he doesn't have a mobile quarterback this offense has not worked at all got you but do you did you have you ever looked at any of the numbers before he was a Florida State yeah I know his off topped 10 the country year it's like he's supposed to be an offensive guy well man these are all his guys that he handpicked and this offense looks butt ass sorry and we can but I don't think that's necessarily a Jordan Travis or not it's a quarterback or not like if you don't have a quarterback your offense is gonna suck that's that's the to me the the the misevaluation was I think look it's two games but I think we can feel fairly say right now that Mike norell fell into the same trap I think a lot of coaches fall into where they believe they can make somebody better than they were under somebody else but is he made worse like he wasn't DJ won games he wasn't horrible at Oregon State he won games I think DJ's lo I I my personal Theory confidence currently yeah I mean and I don't know DJ at all but is a person but I do know that you can't play a quarterback if you don't have confidence and I think he when he went to Corvalis he probably didn't have a ton of pressure on Woods yeah and who who knows if anybody you're doing well or not now you come back to Florida State and things have not gone well and it just seems like he's lost his confidence and I you can't play quarterback that way but it but in you're you're in a situation as Mike norell last night like I had asked him about abandoning the run but it's also like yeah what do you want me to do if they're gonna stack the box we have to show we can throw the football the problem is receivers aren't great tight ends dro the ball and DJ's not get it together Morlock not what he what he was not what he was even two years ago yeah since the uh this is crazy since Florida State uh beat North Alabama I was trying to think of the team uh they've scored what was the stat I had it pulled up here oh so they've scored seven touchdowns total in seven game in five games they've scored seven touchdowns their offense hasn't been good it was it was not good at the end of the year with Jordan and it was terrible without him obviously their offense has been going like this downhill for some time I mean even the game where Jordan got hurt he got hurt trying to run move theall and that's that's what's disappointing you can't you can't establish the there are some teams out there um you know you know they're going to run the ball and you can't you know they're going to run the ball and they are going to run the ball in Florida State it's almost like you have to trick they have to trick people to get any yards on the ground and that's very very disappointing well in year five and in two games after an undefeated season it's shocking is what it is and everybody is grasping for answers and then you get it we all are I think most of us are somewhat bumf Falls we all have a theory as to maybe why this is happening there are some self-evident truths that have occurred where you say well that kid's not as good as I was hoping he'd be I mean that's fine but this is really really weird there's a lot to try to put your finger on here they're they're lost they're lost in the I mean that defense is embarrassing they don't have a lot going for them this is um even strange on the heels of 13 and0 it's just strange and there was a stretch when they played well in that game on Monday night until you got within eight points and then you let him go right down the field and essentially you also panicked and went for it on Fourth and from your own that was crazy was CRA but that was early in the game you got down 21 to6 you gave him a touchdown you essentially gave him gave him a touchdown um because you know Master Rano is gonna punt him out at the half yard line right there um but so uh you gave them a touchdown but even then portier makes some plays you get back in the game immediately get a dumb personal foul on a Touchback and then they go 60 yards and the game's over that was like I thought for a moment I'm like okay the defense is kind of rallied up they've really only given up two t the first two drives were awful but after that they played well in the offense is the reason they scored their third touchdown and then you gave up essentially the game clenching drop yeah and I think at that point I my I feel like you look at the time possession I think the defense was pretty gassed and at that point they said okay now we're gonna unleash castalanos as a runner because they hadn't really done that they didn't that's the scary part IA they didn't have to they didn't have to do it either that was the thing about that game is it really didn't feel like Georgia Tech I thought played as well as they could play I thought Georgia Tech played a great game called a great game go back and watch some of Hayes King's throws or he'll never make those again I mean it was just everything went George Tex way this was a pretty just ho home day at the office this was B BC against Florida State to me looked like what Florida state would look like against a you know what they should look against BC just a workmanlike effort really they didn't have to do anything they didn't Florida State meanwhile is reaching in their bag of tricks yes well guys open and then they can't hit them good Lord but that's another thing is it's not like be it's not like Florida State didn't know BC was going to run and yet they still ran for 260 when teams know Florida State's going to run are try to run they can't do Flor State's still playing a base de I they're they're not doing that they're not selling out to stop the r Adam's going to have to make some adjustments but I I would say that one of the things if you go back in both the Georgia Tech game and and I did it this morning unfortunately sucks to have to do that again when you go back and watch several of those um big runs early they're smart every team is now gonna double Daryl and and and farmer because they don't think either of the ends are going to make a play and they know the linebackers aren't going to fill the linebackers are Dreadful so you've got linebackers that don't fill and you got safeties that are non-existent and you've got two guys to worry about that are legit 330 pound guys so they're going to double them and they're gonna say your ends aren't going to make plays I'm not sure Marvin can play your linebackers haven't made plays we're not worried about them if they start making plays we'll adjust but they don't have to right now they don't have to come out of anything that they don't want to Florida State can't make them come out of it by the way for state has no pass rush whatsoever I I talk to ason wake up we'll see more about what the pass rush really is when you have a stationary qu when you're not facing the these are the two most mob those guys didn't even run around I know it's still the threat of it you these are the two most mobile guys you're gonna face but there were times last night not a lot where castal is drop back they were throwing the football on Third and long a lot of their thirds down were third and manageable but third and long you didn't get anybody close to them almost that's why I'm saying it almost looked like to me they were just trying to bracket them they weren't even trying to go for him but I'm saying we'll know more about Marvin I I honestly think we'll know he had zero tackles he's done nothing in two games we'll know more about him when they start playing guys that aren't haes King and casianos and more normal quarterbacks um but that said he has not looked good uh clearly the defensive line those defensive ends and games like this they kind of get exposed because they're not they're not productive players against mobile quarterback running teams and where you know where I would say the culture part that you do need to watch is fact start to S yeah now now because again get to the playoff like that's done well I mean that's not I know that's not even a thought right now but there two conference losses but you're now you're seeing guys make mistakes that really bad football teams make you know again like the the the shove at the end of the game with you know TJ Ferguson I mean it wasn't it was it was he got baited into it yeah it was stupid slow it took forever for him to do the dumb thing and and it wasn't and it shouldn't have been called because it was clearly a flop but think about where they were a year ago like the Florida we bragged on I think it was uh it was Keandre I think that the kid from Florida spit in his face yeah and he didn't retaliate yeah now because a guy is just holding on Lawrence to's arm and it pisses you off you go over and shove him I mean it's like man that now they're and then false starts personal fouls on kickoffs I mean now they're it's because the frustration I think is inside the this is where you get worri because let's say it's as you think that they don't have culture issues or that culture issues didn't lead to these two losses fair enough when I say that I don't I'm saying when you say culture issues I think it implies bad kids that sorry I don't mean to imply that I want to clarify for that I don't think they're bad kids but losing in the era of nil is a new case study this is gonna be very interesting to watch this is for anybody yeah not Florida happens to be Florida State right now but people pocket watch you know we know kids do that right in this era if all of the sudden thing start to unravel you do worry that your culture could be adversely affected Mike's now having to deal with potential of that problem and there are so many other things that he has to deal with in addition to you just wonder is this a case where you begin to watch a guy having to put out little fires and things begin to unravel you can lose games you cannot lose your culture he did so much work to get this culture to a place where it was rightfully celebrated you can lose it really quick we've all seen that happen before now I worry I mean you just lost two conference games to two teams that you are infinitely more talented than you're gonna play a lot better teams than those two I mean Miami is gonna try to score a 100 on you which is what I would do if I were them after being humiliated and then have their players go over to your recruiting tell you it'll be at their Stadium yeah but you know what I mean like Mii might send their players to like the stadium when when they're not playing FSU so you you couldn't block BC and Georgia Tech you ain't blocking Clemson yeah now their quarterback may not score either but you're not and Clemson you've got a lot of bigger problems to deal with that you certainly hope that this doesn't infiltrate and become a really ugly situation because this is stunning this is really stunning to see this well and I think that's the question to me the bigger question good time for an off week I think honestly I you can reset and you can figure out what you want the rest of this season to be well and I think then the question becomes like what balancing what what what can you do with this season to help you for next season because as you said the goals are gone I like any of the AC Championship all that stuff I mean it's off the table the state championship baby I still on the table you certainly got a shot to beat Florida yeah if you can schedule West Florida maybe um but I mean it is uh so all of that's off the table so now to me the only questions are what and it's a complicated question it's very complicated no easy answer you bring in a guy like dju and hey let's do this let's I know where you're going I know where you're going after the break after the break we'll go to break but I like conversation because we're all thinking it yeah when do you do it because what you play for now is the talented young players when do you pull the trigger at that position and several others we'll have to discuss it we'll do it in a minute 933 real talk radio warchant TV simal headlines continues in a moment hey Headliners it's time to talk Shopify as you remember a couple years ago we decided to create and sell headlines merch for the best podcast listeners in the world that's you but I had no idea where to get started now I'm selling yay sausage 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guys we're here we're here yep here we are fitting coaches coaches poll just came out those they're not ranked we're not ranked fla State's not ranked yeah that's too bad that's weird I don't know what they I mean they you know they almost beat Georgia Tech yeah it's GNA be a long year it's GNA be tough I wonder you know we were talking before the break we might as well get into this um because I think everybody's going to begin to wonder we all all were excited about uh Elijah Moore we were all excited about lne McCoy we were all excited about um Thomas amaram Williams so there's there's a lot of guys that some of the younger guys that came in in that recruiting class that you're excited about you wonder how soon we see them you know I I don't know this is a bye week so in theory a couple things you could you could get guys better prepared to play a game in two weeks or you could address with your current starters uh all the folks that you you brought in through the the portal and that you're paying uh and and get some things that if you think you can fix it give them one more chance uh I guess in theory they're not totally out of it yet doesn't seem likely that they're G to you know rally the troops there and turn this season around but if you were ever GNA do it it would be off of a bye so well one of the challenges is you know you you know you talk about quarterback changes um sometimes you do it for a spark sometimes you do it you know to see if the guys will rally around somebody else I mean think back to when Chris Ricks was here and the players wanted Adrian mcferson and then they went to Adrian mcferson and then he didn't play really well either then the whole off field thing and um but sometimes you're just searching for a spark and you know and I I think this one's this situation is so challenging because you add into it so many different layers one is DJ young was a portal quarterback it was a you know a fifth year senior a guy you're bringing in for one year so like when people would ask if there's a quarterback competition like no there's no quarterback competition you don't bring him in and the problem is if if you sit him in week three yeah does it send a negative message to other portal people if that if you're ever in that situation again and so that's a challenge then you have the challenge of you've got some young quarterbacks that you like as you know and what do you do with them in terms of you know maybe Brock Len makes sense maybe now but if he plays and plays decently and he becomes the guy now what are you what are you telling Luke croman Hawk who's a freshman and is he thinking okay well next year because it's not so much what he's thinking what other schools are going to be telling his people is hey man they rode with Brock Glenn you know you're are you gonna sit behind him for the next two or three years that's something to think about and then if Luke has the potential where you want to start seeing him in games well you could well you're was Brock well and you also could create bad habits when you play a quarterback too young I always felt like just one guy top of my mind is Drew Weatherford I feel like him having such a bad offensive line early in his career James Blackman also it can it can really mess up a qu back if they start seeing ghosts because they they did not have a good situation so I just think there's a lot of things it's a complex issue but the problem is if you just keep riding with DJ and he keeps missing open receivers can't do it it affects everything else in your team because nobody else wants to be out there anymore and I think that's part of what they're dealing with and it runs an that was like two minutes of you talking about the quarterback situation it was all smart and it was all knowledgeable Irish Chael who's your starting quarterback against Memphis Trevor Jackson okay I said do span how a feeling man just snap it to an athlete I I would I would probably I would I would probably look towards the younger guys pretty soon um and just to even if it's not even the full game yeah giving them some some taste because you do have to worry about the future and you gotta you got to see what you have because man you know situation next year could it be worse you've scored one touchdown in your last 17 drives or whatever it's been could it could it be worse and prob we're talking about and I wasn't totally being joking about Trevor Jackson because the one thing that dude would do is he would change the numbers and he can make plays you can run the ball you'd be able to run the ball Brock lnn is very mobile and run the ball packages but he's not Trevor mobile but he's mobile enough but conversely Trevor's not him throwing the ball so there's all of that but I I back to your point before about not having a mobile quarterback and Mike's offense is really struggling without one at least these days um you would solve that problem with Brock I mean he he he ran with the twos the whole time and we know he can run and he likes to run he's he's aggressive you could incorporate that into your game plan um he's not going to be hesitant about tucking it and going he can't you wouldn't play him if he was okay you're there might be times where you have to tell him to stop doing that throw the ball I mean he will run so if we're worried about DJ's lack of mobility and what this is doing to the offense in terms of how stagnant it is I mean you might have to seriously consider doing that if it's not now it will certainly be after the next loss once you have three losses what the hell are we doing here I mean you got to play for next year well and I do again I think it's going to affect everything else because I I think you you look at that game yesterday when Mike Norville went for it on Fourth and five I felt like the defense was was starting to kind of feel hand they getting their legs underneath they weren't playing terribly at that point had a few good possessions and then you have that interception return to the seven yard line I think the defense was like man you know this is this it's hard to play defense when your offense is putting yourselfself in in putting in you into bad situations you'd like to believe that all defenses are going to rise up in that situation but they had also been on the field 20 minutes in the first half so I just think that at some point you need a spark on offense to help the defense as well um and to help the offensive line you know again it's just it is um you just can't keep you can't go through games with DJ looking like that because I I do think it affects guys dropping passes I think it just affects everything when they don't believe in the quarterback it affects everything yeah I agree I agree and you know you blame it all on him but it is what he's not playing well per he is not and you you you hope because you paid this coaching staff a lot of money and they've been successful here and at other places if you do make a change to a younger kid tailor the game plan around them like you're do that you're allowed to do that tailor the game plan around them where you do get a mobile quarterback out on the edge you do use his legs more um don't just play the same offense you played with Jordan Travis or this game with DJ like figure it out man you've got you've got nine 10 days now this is bitterly disappointing on uh on because I I think the world of Mike as a coach I think he's a very good coach he's not having a good run uh late last year was not great and this has been terrible to start the year and and I rarely go after play calling or anything like that with coaches because I think that's a Fool's errand but buddy this has been ugly you know you can't come off the field at halftime and say we got to really concentrate on getting the Run game going and you've given your backs two carries yeah come on man you're not being honest with yourself average four yards to carry you're not being honest with yourself at that point yeah well I mean I think in his mind I think his mind going into the game was they're gonna stack the Box we're gonna hit some quick plays we're gonna hit some passes those throws to things up loosen things up and and in Boston College in they did like you said they didn't always crowd the Box they did back off sometime and sometimes I thought they had numbers to run and still didn't run like it was just a that's what I was frustrated with I'm saying Mike if you're G if you're if the onus is on running the ball when you get a neutral box when you have five or six people in the bo run the ball and is how much of that is DJ Making the he's gotta go he I mean it is an RPO so he has the option but my man when you get a neutral box if the onus is on the Run game that should be the first thing you're thinking of and it wasn't other than the scoreboard which obviously tells us all we need to really know about the football team they had the ball Twice first and goal at the five they they called six straight passes they went 0 for five with a sack in their s now two of them were schemed where the guy was wide open in the end zone and the quarterback could but your first time you got down to the five after the throw to Lucas who still just doesn't get on the field um you you takes a sack on the he takes an eight- yard loss of first and goal from the five that's impossible that's an impossible thing to do you can't do that but then um and then you get the ball down there again and you throw three times and two of them were open and it didn't work out but meanwhile you played play two games and your defense has given up drives inside the red zone seven times and the team has scored seven touchdowns in seven drives in the Red Zone that's without a lot of trickeration that's just kind of just up right up just right up the gut and that's that's pretty pathetic that you're 0 for seven and even forcing a field goal attempt Georgia Tech's only field goal attempt Lord knows they could have scored a touchdown on that last drive too if they wanted to and they they tried a 50 yard in the first half and and missed it and Boston College took a knee at had mercy on you yeah other than special teams other than mastero and Ryan got together and Lord knows they work those special teams buddy other than that like if you're Mike norell and you wake up this morning like where do you even start like where do you even start man is start with in-game music it's a good that's something you can't control it's a good point you're making because IA you see this a lot in a lot of different ways but people trying to lose weight you're 350 pounds and you want to get to be 180 pounds man it's tough where do I begin where how do I get this started I'm so out of shape what do I do you know it's sad I mean this because you it's just a vicious cycle right this team's not good at anything other than kicking yeah right the right foot of two players so you've gotta be over something you can find to to hang your hat on is there anything they can find to like okay let's do this let's let's figure out one thing in this bi-week that we can do on both sides of the ball is that even possible inherent in the question though is that Mike missed on his evaluation 100 there no that's not a question not a question fact so that alone nobody gets to this level and achieves this level of success in that profession without having been right with what they were assessing player Personnel game planning calls you name it a lot so you wonder is this the first time Mike has ever had a situation when he had competent players I'm not talking about a rebuild where you you know mix and matching and trying crazy things and stuff can go wrong I'm talking about when you had the better players is this the first time that he's ever just missed this badly because then it would start with you you'd start to second guess yourself you'd wonder how did I miss so badly why did I tell people this is the best offensive line I've ever had Darius Wasington was gonna be an all americ and Darius has been awful in these first two games C was bad last a highlight re for that opposing defensive end yeah man I that it's scary it's scary I think for State fans are scared they're angry rightfully but they're scared because this is befuddling because it's year five well and also think about man and you know it's like the conversations you don't want to have yeah you know it's like you know if if you're at home and like you you're you're struggling financially and then your wife's R oh what about the roof the roof may be going here soon I mean I can't talk about the roof I'm trying to put food on the table I'm trying to feed the family you want to fix the roof so so that's that's kind of where he is right now and that's where this Administration is right now because think about the bigger picture oh buddy I don't I don't I did this already and it's a dark place you end up in I mean here we are they they made the decision two years ago to go all in in football because they want to get out of this conference they want to be attractive to whatever the future holds whether that's getting into another conference now or that's at least being at the table when college football becomes a pro sports league and so they went all in on football man they've spent so much money the last two years not just in the nil which people talk about but also just the the program facilities building this new facility renovating the stadium paying the staff Mike norell now makes $10 million a year adames off of a raise to look like this and so you put all of this money into it and now you're locked in man like we all made fun of the buyouts for Jimbo Fisher it's XM well if things don't get turned around at some point Mike norell Imagine That B he's making the beauty that he has though is he has done it like he he turned it around I don't have any doubt that Mike norval can coach I don't have any doub I'm just saying like you're all in and it looks like this it's a it's it's but you have to believe in the man right you have to believe in the man that he's he he's way more upset than you are he is not driven by money you hope and that the $10 million does not make him uh I don't think he's gonna be lazy or LAX so if you believe in the man and you believe in his vision for your program you're just gonna have to wear 2024 oh well you have no choice about that you're going and if it doesn't get fixed you're going to wear 2025 you're going to wear 2026 and you I think the the belief now is you're not going to be wearing 25 and 26 it will get better belief in the but the challenge Mike that is a concern like what is this and the challenge for Mike norell is he he has to acknowledge being wrong in all way he was wrong and then figure out how to fix it yeah and that's really hard for anybody to do is to look in the mirror and say I'm the problem especially when you haven't been the problem you've been the answer yeah to the problem now whether relying too much on certain assistant coaches or scouting department or but clearly you know what they did in the portal the guys that they took this time there a lot of those are not he's gotten it right time and again in the portal he whiffed in the portal this time for on some of them sure um but but most most all of them Cory the the I'm not I'm not there yet on the receivers I think you're close but the quarterback the quarterbacks that that the quarterback's everything almost you know when in this sport it shouldn't be but it is man I agree with you I agree with you and there's no doubt that's a factual statement that's the biggest that's the biggest whiff clearly is they thought they were going to get a guy that was going to be good not great not special but good he's been no no he's been really he's been really bad hey hey I said I didn't think he was terrible in the Georgia Tech game last night he was terrible he was subpar awful subpar but I'm telling you those receivers aren't doing anything special they're not you can't I mean I know he keeps saying they're man I mean it how do you know like watch the coverages watch them but I remember this and they can't block so when you do try to run those guys get killed could be available but I do say you you watch these Kenny Shaw turned into a really good receiver when he got a guy that could throw it to him these he was not anything special until his senior year well what changed a good quarterback changes everything when comes to would definitely help but the pro but Rody white turned into an all pro when Michael Vic turned into Matt Ryan like passing quarterbacks good quarterback that see it quicker but also great receivers can help 100% we don't these guys are great not but you if you had a good quarterback all of a sudden these receivers look better than they do when you have a subpar one everything is oh 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certain times in the game it's not really the case when they're on the field for 14 minutes in the first quarter yeah uh would would have been nice to get off the field on third down would have been nice how much time was in the quarter yeah that was another great oddly that only adds to The Angst it's like you're sitting there going well they suck this product is substandard and oh by the way nobody can know what time there is in the clock because of our construction nonsense no game clock no play clock the DJ's playing so I mean it was just we got we gota stop I mean if that doesn't get you pumped for a second n ye then nothing does man it's like when you uh yeah man you're already having like a bad experience and then something because is the is the DJ music not it's like inconsequential doesn't change anything but more people were more pissed off about that because of it's just like I don't think we appreciate as much because we're in a basically a soundproof cocoon it's apparently very very loud in the stadium it's hurting people harming they're harming the audience nonstop like Cory was like started doing NBA play byplay yeah they're playing the it's like Curry dribbles up the ball here 6162 6158 here in the third quarter and they're just playing NBA music like in between plays it's like this isn't the NBA who who oh is collea was devastating our only living dad he tried to leave he's like but my kids wouldn't let him I mean here's it's almost like whoever's doing it has never been to a college football game oh it's not almost they have not the only game they've been to is the ones they're running Ryan asks at what point do we question development of offensive lineman or is that that vital to game day experience as always good old I've got questions and I'm frustrated by this and I think both is right though both is right I'm sure it's hurting them also he hasn't sent a single alignment to the pros you're gonna start getting questioned when these are the results uh we've got Tom writes how could anybody not see D dju isn't the answer does uh be decide who plays oh battles in battles in no the battles in does not dictate roster moves the battles in does not dictate playing time uh let me clarify this because I got asked the same question today at a speaking engagement no nio no no Collective tells a coaching staff that they're going to go out and bring somebody in the coaching staff tells the collective whom they'd like to pay in order to keep and who they'd like to bring in like what what do they value that player was that somebody that you'd like us to go be involved in discussion corre and and and give me one thing a very common discussion last night in text messages on Twitter and everywhere else was this there's a perception out there that Florida State Andor the battle end take the took the cheaper route no when going for DJ W young overs cam Ward there's a lot of circumstances that were play in that whole situation yeah it wasn't necessarily a choice by Florida State it certainly wasn't a let's go for the cheaper budget option no there was DJ DJ wanted to come to Florida State cam was debating about going to the NFL he wanted to find out his evow from the NFL the process was going to take longer didn't want to keep W if you kept waiting for him and you may not get him because then nil now becomes it could become a bidding war I mean cam Ward held all the chips at that situation and when you saw him play you know why yeah he's a very talented dude uh especially against that Florida defense but when you look at uh that the situation Florida state would have had to either tell DJ hey man we're gonna have to wait another few weeks yeah and you just sit and wait which he might have or you you know or you move on and they moved on because even if they hadn't at the end of the day Miami there's no amount of money Florida State could have play paid to stop Miami from upping the bid correct Miami all in on this year because they need Mario to succeed this year Mario's at the crossroads the way that Mike was at the crossroads in the year that I thought that they had have a good season yeah and I was talking about if he doesn't he may be a great coach but he's done Mario's in that position right now if they don't have a great year he's screwed and they're scre because they've invested in him but I would say the counter to that though is Florida State could have been competitive with Miami on a bid there's no amount that they would have paid that's also saying like cam Ward would choose strictly for an extra 500 or a million dollars as opposed to I want to go where I can go win a National Championship and if you had a roster in place if you had a Keon and a Johnny and a Jem to throw to that could take the place of an extra million dollars because you might be playing in the national championship game have those things yeah exactly well that's that's kind of goes back to where this roster was after last year and you didn't have as enticing skill players anybody proven other than Toof to attract someone like a cam Ward where you can't maybe get run that bit up uh n Kev you will probably disagree but watching this team I don't see a lot of nolles I see a lot transfers here for nil and draft stock which is also why I think nil and portal is killing college football but I digress well the only thing I'll tell you no Kev plenty of portal players out there whooping ass at Ohio State Old Miss Georgia miam Miami Miami not that and a portal player that from last year's team jarian Jones who's in the NFL now was on the sidelines last night like they you've seen the comments and those guys they they're the players on that team but the other side of it is like that was a special year that was a special team I'm pretty much vowing to never mention 13-0 again in anything I write because it's just it's completely irrelevant just as irrelevant as it was the Georgia Tech had the worst run defense last year that's how irrelevant is what Florida state did in the current context like the guys on this team how many of them contributed you know a few but not a lot to what that team was so it's almost like a completely different team every year is unto itself and that's a fair thing coaches say it all the time but it seems especially true right now I would also I would also just say like again there is a there is a downside to if you evaluate poorly and you get it wrong in the portal one time he's gotten it right a gazillion times the upside you wi 13 and0 yeah downside they're 0 and2 and they don't have a lot of talent and not a lot of Hope like oh well these guys will it's a young team it's like no you brought in a bunch of 22 year olds um and yeah that it's not a lot of hope that next year these most of them won't even be around some of them were one-year rentals and they uh you know they might be lemons yeah they might be and and then Mike has to you know obviously account for 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you to Burch Orthodontics Dr Burch and her staff best in the business they would never put up with this nonsense so seeing out there on the football field it wouldn't last Ira no it wouldn't that would not cut the muster you'd be out the door out the door can't have it guys we're the best in the business and they are they are the best in the business and uh if your kids maybe you yourself out there you're listening need braces grandparents need to get your teeth from being jacked go in there and get them fixed it's good thing yeah and they uh do not only do great work also a great customer service they'll work with you on financing payment plans free consultations they handle difficult cases all the latest technology you can't uh find a better orthodontist anywhere in the world I'm saying maybe somewhere in Europe maybe I don't know they have good orthodontist maybe like no believe it over there if she wins this country then she's the best in the world so she's the best the world that probably means the best in the universe congratulations Dr bur we' uh we figured you're the best orthodox. what's the youngest you can put braces on someone six weeks heard that yeah modern medicine now you can get up six weeks you can start doing here here's the thing I I swear man like when we were on our tooth Journey with our kids I swear like some orthodontists were suggesting doing it before they were like under 10 and I was like man let's let's let it play out a little bit like FL twisted and judgments a bamboo it's a bamboo it's gonna grow see what it looks like guys I know it looks a little rough through two games but I'm I'm I'm really calling on all kinds of patien here when eight-year-olds have jacked up teeth by the time they're 11 they're straight perfect you never know let it play out yeah context clues don't matter at eight you gotta you gotta move ahead uh first name John writes there was a moment where the camera was zoomed in on Daryl Jackson Jr's face and when the play started you saw him immediately get tipped over yeah there was a play like that oh I didn't see it uh he actually did not play terribly nor did Farmer they they weren't great they got doubled everybody else all other nine players took turns being really bad they weren't great but they weren't terrible I'm not blaming them for this uh thanks Dan appreciate that there's no question just a contribution from thank you Dan everybody else yeah absolutely uh Charlie oh no sorry Derek writes West Florida would definitely give team are run for their money irra stop sleeping on West Florida where's that question coming from that's that's instantaneous is that Twitter no no it's a it's a comment on Facebook comment on the chat it's in the chat these are the the chat oh okay all right yeah that was that is funny in the current college football landscape and with our highest paid player carrying a clipboard by midseason should the GM become our center of gravity second highest paid it's not a terrible thought you better have somebody who understands player personnel yeah I mean yeah sure I mean this in this in this landscape and look you we see what the product is I have a feeling there's going to be some overhauling done when this season is over and you're G to want to hit they have a scouting department and they have a general manager Derrick Ray and and up until this particular team they've all been revered for what they've done with this the last currently we're having a little hard time with what we're seeing out there guys tough tough times not ideal Sandra writes do you think that the problem is not that the team isn't willing to play for dju in practice everyone plays for a spot on the field but on the field they play for each other um once again out on the field they play for each other I I don't I there is a lack of accountability right now I I don't like getting into nebulous things like leadership I think that's a fallback excuse a lot of times where we talk about leadership and guys are trying to do what they like you can see it when you watch the sideline guys are trying to do what they think they're supposed to do like you'll see defensive lineman going over to the offensive lineman and kind of encouraging them offensive lineman doing the same thing to the defensive line when when DJ had a a bad throw you would see a receiver which one lots of opportunities for the receivers to lead in that moment but in times where they came off the field right okay You' see receivers running backs go over them like you know Pat him on the head like trying to be good teammates and that's why this is a team to me with a bunch of like decent kids that want to be good but they're just not good this team is not you know so it's not like it's I haven't seen there's there's a couple little things last night there was a situation last night somebody mentioned in the chat earlier um where I think a player and one of the sports staff when they were going into the tunnel kind of started getting onto each other I think it was about the kid not getting into the locker room fast enough that stuff's gonna happen um but over it'll happen a lot yeah and but overall I think it's it's it's just a team that's lost man and so the question was about like are these guys not playing for dju yeah man if you're not playing well they're not going to play you know they wouldn't have play for if he played poorly they're they you know they'll they'll rally around good quarterbacks make everybody else better because those guys are inspired by their play well if you're playing poorly ain't nobody inspired yeah if especially if you've never played well for them like Jordan had stretches last year where I thought he was average compared to the previous year but he had been so good the year before they all knew believe that he was going to win the game for you nobody clearly believes that DJ is going to bring him back and win a game well there's a lot that they don't believe in right now uh I don't believe in those linebackers I tell you what that's the hard thing in the world to watch it is Dreadful uh Brett writes my wife and I just had our first child this on Facebook Cory good job all right congratulations yeah uh three and a half weeks ago oh you put up a Facebook prompt I did man I didn't think about the Twitter by way overwhelming response on Facebook people people are fired up are excited about what they've seen they couldn't wait to get to the Facebook my wife and I just had our first child it's a boy three and a half weeks ago congratulations Brett congratulations I'm 40 years old I believe at least Jeff and Corey were older not that old BR I was 33 I was 33 when I had a newborn yeah I was the my first I was 33 as well yeah or 34 maybe yeah something like that uh I was a little older obviously for the second one so yes he wants to know is there any advice on how you navigated that uh be patient and don't expect early on to get sleep just if you get it good don't get pissed when you don't because it's gonna happen I just brought Brady up in front of Blues Clues or one of those dumb shows the the annoying noises and went back to sleep there you go he goes on to ask why does Florida State hate me and my child it's a fair question he also wants to know he does seem to ask himself what Florida State's record was before his child I mean I'm just saying we all have to we all have the math she was pregnant for the Orange Bowl probably yeah so since the consummation since the uh is that what we call it not consummate it's when you impregnate but what's the other word wa we consummated the marriage but impregnated the woman yeah since that impregnation they it has been ugly it has been ugly since their successful sexual Adventure this has gone downhill here uh by the way he does want to know another thing why does Kyle Morlock drop every pass through see that's and that's where you get to and this is the thing like is Stupify he can't catch all but and it's also like this goes back to when people are like do you guys watch practice I am telling you heau he he caught contested passes he made ridiculous catch ridiculous catch has played DJ has never looked worse in a practice than he did I mean he's looked much better than he's looked in these games by way by the way so my point is like that can snowball also yeah and I think that's Morlock definitely it's just to defend you how many times did Mike norell prattle on about how great Kyle Morlock was in Camp your head coach told you he was great he looked like a cheat Cod at times yeah man has not looked maybe like that since the game season started it's been uh very very disappointing and the second drop especially well no they were both horrible um yeah it's just it's you you don't want him to be lost for the season because I think he could be a big part of this off that's where that's where again you go to maybe somebody else sparked something and well they put l and Thomas in the game afterwards and that he didn't throw it no I mean if you change quarterbacks possibility is it does give you a spark okay this kind of touches on a little bit of what we started the path we started to go down last hour when we begin to kind of pull back and look at the big picture and you get a little nervous but IM Brown says Ira is anyone more panicked right now than simol Alford Michael Alford longtime season ticket holders so he tagged him he tagged okay all right uh there'll be a lot more tagging as this goes on guys yeah longtime season ticket holders and boosters were forced out as of this year the overall experience yesterday was Dreadful this isn't just what we saw on the field what's next he is one of 50 people that have either tweeted or texted something very similar yeah uh I I I mean hell my dad is as loyal as they come he's been 42 years season ticket holder he's just like this is I mean everything about it was an Abomination for it to happen to them on the heels of asking for more money to do all these Renovations which they needed to do and that's the problem is like we're all going to conflate all of these things together sure you know the stadium renovation was needed because there were Ada problems it hadn't been rated forever you're trying to get into a different conference where you want a better Stadium a better experience for fans who want there's a lot of being there're selling those seats I've talked to tons of people it's not like they've sold those seats they've done a really good job of selling those seats people want a better experience the problem is then all of that happens then from an optic standpoint then you go out and play this way and then again the in-game experience was so ridiculously bad it's it's again like that's to me if you're playing well and the music and all that stuff's going on like you could kind of grin a bear but when the when the meal is awful yeah and then the service is awful the atmosphere is awful yeah it just it just adds to it so meal is awful service is awful God it's loud in here this is what are we doing God this baloney sandwich sucks man this is awful who goes to a restaurant gets a baloney sandwich that's what we watched on Monday night was a fried baloney sandwich think one of our friends has a restaurant with Bal sandwi a unique menu item but my man getes the baloney sandwich oh yes I have the balone sandwich it's on on world oh not so good afternoon fellas watching the team feels unlike anything I can recall as a fan is this a transfer portal uh sustainability issue or is this a far deeper problem and is it a fixable one yeah I see this is interesting this is why I said last hour that this felt unique we've gone through and documented all of us have ups and downs successes miserable failures I mean we were on the air after Jacksonville State there's been a lot of moments where you're like oo this is a tough hey the last time they lost to Boston College 35 to3 in a game that they didn't quit in though right yeah they didn't quit they didn't quit and it was predicted that that would happen I was on the air that day saying watch this but because we knew Jimbo had lost control but here's the point this does feel different this was completely out of left field nobody could have predicted this and the head coach certainly didn't no but this doesn't make any sense and it's why you're left grasping or something with more meaning you're saying wait a minute they just went 13-0 he has revitalized this program the man almost took the Alabama job which means Nick likes him a lot that he didn't suddenly get stupid and not know what he's looking at although you have to conclude by looking at this roster he didn't know what he was looking at it's puzzling yeah well that's where I go back to I think you look at the what's your Baseline and I think that his Baseline for this team was I think he thought this running game was gonna be really good I off line yes and so when you use that as a baseline your thought process is okay I'm bringing in the senior quarterback I don't think he here's the thing Mike norell never expected DJ was gonna have to throw the about 40 times a game if he he wouldn't have brought in for that no you just 30 other quarterbacks You' have brought in before DJ if this was going to be the offense you had to play but the problem is he's been so unsuccessful throwing in the football then now teams are gonna not let you run the football and it's just and then now that's compounding so it's just a disaster man it's a and you know we talked about the receivers and we mentioned whiffing and whatever you know having not having hem Williams not having Dustin Hill is is contributed to the problem um but they also have a bunch of guys that they've spent a lot of time and money on and have not been productive this is why I would begin to play some of the Freshman that we really like and they are upgrade athletically than the guys that you have out there currently I I if they can't do worse how about the fact that Jaylen Brown it was third and it's actually a nice conversion it was a third and 11 he got 12 yards he made a guy Miss and it was like wow a Florida State receiver made a guy Miss to get a couple extra yards and then two plays later portier did what he did and it was so um so shocking completely yeah see a wide it was foreign and it and it's not like the other than Cam Davis pushing piles it's not like the running backs have done anything special either yeah I well they're screwed what your like what your inclination is and again if there wasn't there's just a lot of variables at this level but but your inclination is to find the dudes I was George Henshaw henshaw's house which will be up on our website later tomorrow longtime college and NFL coach we were talking about this things like in the old days you would you go to practice and you'd find out who who Who's tough and like I bring this up a lot and I sound really old because I talk about we always hit now listen I never played at fora State I wasn't that good but we hit every day in practice and that's how football work in the late 80s early 90s you tackled every day that's how it was and you found out if somebody was tough and you could tackle because you had to do it every day yeah they don't tackle any in this situation you would ramp it up to a higher level yes you would you like all right we're gonna find out who really wants to be here and and you would separate the guys who wanted it would be on the field yes the problem is now I don't know if you can even do any of that like you just I don't know if you can do that here's my question though I think you could and and it would be a departure from what we've seen that is my one criticism I Georgia Tech had whatever they called that the physical Tuesdays or whatever the hell it was day one day week they beat the Jesus out of each other I was just about to say Kirby smarts talked about that Mike you're gonna have to take a good long look at this they're not tough and they're not phys uh you better do it once you're allowed 105 players wellers but you should be doing it I think they're a little soft in practice I do and I have said that i' said that before last year and they went 13 and thought his thought probably was well screw you guys I mean we're 13 know and I get it but man well and that's the same thing with the staff when you look big picture you know everybody gets raises everybody gets extensions because you're 13 and0 well now man what are you what are you gonna do after this like this is tough right you have to evaluate everything and you gave people raises like significant raises in some cases that wasn't necessary anyhow uh Tony writes I'm not gonna dunk on the beat but it's it but is it possible that we all got stumped by watching Bad on bad and thinking it was good on good because of the team a year ago well it is entirely possible we say a lot that we're only seeing one team I don't get to go watch Georgia I don't get to go watch somebody else who's got infinitely better players but in our benefit we also we also can see size and speed and they have a lot of it that's why the NFL Scouts are there so that so it's not like we were just like seeing a like Corey Mangum going up against sorry I love youy Cory what I'm saying is it's not these are big strong dudes that offensive line J Jenny out here what shy here be able to get on the field not like Kyler Hall I love Kyler so that's my point is these are big strong fast dudes they just have not played good football also by the way and I'm gonna continue to repeat this you also have ears and you heard the head coach say repeatedly glowing things about this roster and I dude I we haven't talked about this on the air so that I mentioned it last week I think that the practice before the Georgia Tech game when a couple people that were there was the best one they had unbelievable I talked to somebody else this weekend on the staff and they were like oh my God they they were they couldn't go stop talking about how good they looked in that practice then this past week we were out there practices were off and on there's some spoty parts real good but there was there was a couple parts that were better but I heard over the week like Friday Friday or Saturday that things started looking better again when we weren't out there so I it's it's a weird thing man this team is very strange well tell that guy that he's wrong well two times that guy's told you they had great I'm teasing I'm messing with you but because when we're not there and they're having these great practic but they've had good practices when we've been there yeah they have they have it's Richard says I want names tell me who's responsible for this music in the stadium yeah he wants names you know funny enough I looked on the staff directory I couldn't find W you were angry he's going Stadium staff I I'm I'm the um I'm the I'm the conduit to the fan I am the on budsman for the stadium G experience but I could not find anybody's bio would you have done if you did would you have tweeted it I wouldn't have but I would have I would have tweeted the I would have texted the picture to you it's like this is who's responsible for it let's welcome them to wake up War champ Cathy let's start with a few tough questions to do you you prefer to go to the window or the wall on Third and nine instead of here in the chief's play HC nolles writes was playing The Climb by Miley Cyrus I mean what is going on what is going on Tom peny option I know in the second half of a game when you're getting dominated by Boston College a new all-time low for stadium experience I mean literally I'm sitting there thinking I wonder what the Boston College players and coaches are thinking of they also had there were multiple times where DJ was having to wait for the music to stop the snap but but also one of those times was they were they were playing some video I just looked up briefly it was Christian Bale I don't know if it was from American Psycho or Batman or who knows what looking over this sheet of paper and then on the sheet of paper it says is Lawrence toafili the B best running back in the country with a check mark that said yes in a game where he had one car a game where he had one carry one carry one car and it's it wasn't like that was the first quarter but what a weird thing to put we love you Lawrence but who who what there's a disconnect guys they they're struggling with this with the stadium operations I don't feel like it's that hard but my yeah I don't either I don't either but they're they're whiffing there too a lot of whiffs a lot of misevaluation maybe Mike is a silent genius who who s he told somebody to sabotage the game experience to divert the attention so people are talking about that well no they're still talking about his quarterback it just it doesn't help uh how can how can Mike not get Brock even a single series somewhere in this yeah I I I I would have you would have thought it would have been went back to two scores again and I and I would have thought after the interception would have been the right time but then I also think Norvell rightly blamed himself for that nonsense because you DJ should have never been that position to have to force a throw on fourth down from his own side of the field damn it fellas yeah this is a tough sitting here going vetting this one thank gosh we got we had what two weeks there not to have to worry about hey we can just sit back this week and eat some Reger sausage and watch everybody else play good football hey half the teams are going to lose half the teams are going to lose what happens is what happened on Saturday is you start watching teams complete passes oh yeah and make tackles there's nothing worse than watching teams on your schedule that are going to whoop your ass 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back some Cary Gold's cream cheese no so how mad I was mad when I saw that I didn't know it existed in the world and now that I know it's out there and I don't have access to it infuriates me the two things that infuriated me about uh they didn't infuriate me one did the water bottles the tops don't come off all the way in Europe if you didn't know that yank you got to yank it but also it just flips off to the side and you drink it and it hits you in the face and you put it back so you don't lose the cap I guess but who's taking a cap off and then put it in their pocket or throwing it over their shoulder you hold it in your hand and you drink but anyway also in the elevators or in every building I took it as a challenge yeah I yanked a couple but in the in the ele in any uh building uh the first floor is really the second floor that's something I had to get used to because you're on the ground floor which kind of makes sense honestly I'm kind of with them but you'd go oh you're on the first floor and I'm like I kind of wanted to you know have a little View and you're like well you do you have to go up the elevator so that's it's g in the elevator G was watching this team the first two weeks worth getting the trips to Ireland yes the trips absolutely Ireland is awesome yeah but the team sucks but the Ireland trip was awesome uh Patrick writes you play the rest of the games in Ireland man I don't care how they do if that's the case uh longtime FSU football fan here this is from Patrick and war chant listener it feels like the soul of this team is gone how did norell miss this badly yeah that's what we're all asking Patrick I it does feel like it that it is soulless just kind of wandering around confused and but you know I go back to I remember would ask Jimbo during some of the some of the uh some of his teams that didn't seem like they were having a lot of fun and we would ask him like Hey it doesn't seem like your team doesn't seem like there's a lot of spirit there and and Jimbo would say which I think is true to an you're winning if you're not winning or if you're not making good plays then football's not fun and you're not gonna look like you're having fun I think that's where they are right now that's to me is where I just go back to because you can sit here man we can and they're doing in the chat you're doing it in your head if you're listening to the show thinking of all the things that have gone poorly and things that decisions that Norvell made and he's got to figure all this out I just think you got to find something you can do man like you have to find something you can do to build upon because right you can't fix all of these problems this is where I think changing the quarterback might you might have to do it you might have to I mean he probably doesn't want to do it I think Daren Williamson was having fun as he broke to the outside on that pass and then was not having fun as the ball hit off the bricks it's hard hard to miss a throw that bad I talked to a guy who I know that I go to to talk about mechanics because I never played quarterback but this guy did and he coached it and I was like is he is he just wildly off on mechanics and he's like well he's throwing with his arm right now no lower body no lower body whatsoever he talked all about it and was saying to me that started showing up in the Georgia Tech game too man he said this is and what he equated it to and I this part I can get you know in a golf swing you have you know check marks in your swing it's meant to remind you of where the club face needs to be as you go through right so that way you're not just trying to time everything like you're just trying to time it that doesn't work man you get different lies you speed up you get nervous you can't just time things you may be a very gifted I hand coordinated yeah but you better have mechanical you got to have mechanics that you can go fall back on it doesn't look like he has any of that right now which means he's not confident what are the chances he plays against Clemson I me oh I you can't roll them out there because they're not gonna be able to block Clemson see this is another reason I'm I'm talking myself into they gotta make the change uh well gez next question dgg writes do you all think quarterback change is a must where are the leaders on both sides of the ball here I imagine you all thought farmer and pton would be a couple on the defense but those guys seem to take too many plays off it's a lot of questions man um also say I think DJ and shahem are leadership guys but you know DJ they're not playing well it's hard to be a great leader it's awesome when your most vocal guys and your best leaders are also first round picks well it sucks it also sucks when you're on a team and you go into the year with such high expectations these all these guys came into this year thinking we're 13 and0 last year we're gonna be great again this year we're gonna be a playoff team we're gonna win the ACC war chant thinks we're gonna win the national champ reading the website they go into the season now it's playing out the way it's playing and you're seeing guys play like you're seeing guys play worse from snap to snap than they've ever played before I mean there were plays last night there's no there are guys on this team when they watch the film there it will be unbel they won't believe what they see the the effort the lack of because I don't believe what I see sometimes when I watch it I'm shocked and there are guys that have played well before yeah yeah no I I'll tell you a guy that's not playing well right now it did spiral and it has spiraled Shah's not playing well I'll tell you he's not playing well at all by the way but I will also point out I was stunned Zer played terrible last night now they didn't they didn't do much but yeah he's not coming up he's not coming up being physical at all he's windmilling tackles out here I mean there there are guys that they you thought you could really depend on that were not playing well so it does you know just move him to linebacker I bet he'd cover Trea in the flat at least uh Todd writes coach norell often talks about responding to adversity what do you think his response to the 0 and2 start will be yeah last night it was this far away look on his face of frustration anger sadness confusion I think revisiting I think he was probably at times in that game thinking back to decisions he's made in the last eight months you know oh yeah it's got to be the hardest thing in the world because again he's been right about so many things but he got it wrong here and now you got to this morning he better have gotten up and being like okay this is what we're doing like this is what your job PA hands way to figure that out yeah you've got to figure out what you're gonna and I look the defense is going to be the defense we'll see the offense has been horrendous they've scored one touchdown in their last 16 drives and it ain't playing Clemson and Georgia right um so that's really disgusting almost and he's got to figure out how do you think that offense is going to play on the road against Notre Dame right but maybe if they have if they have a mobile quarterback it can be different you if you have a mobile quarterback it changes everything with the way this current on offense is constructed no chance Fitzgerald's gonna have to kick a 71 yard field goal for them to score he might he could but uh yeah that's he better be dead set focused on the next 10 days figuring out a way to make this offense be able to move the ball on the ground one way or the other and if it means changing quarterbacks then change quarterback Tony writes Jeff are we Face Down in the muck again in the back alley uh I hope not but it feels like we're going that way we fell off the wagon uh Rebecca writes ju just one question WTF yeah got a few of those that's a fair question um wants to know what is the likelihood this team can win six games I'd say 5050 at best right now i' I'd say 3070 wow I think I mean who are they gonna beat gonna be you remember how I started the season saying all these games were losable and I was right George Deck was losable Boston College was losable but I now you have to reverse it and go okay what games are winnable cal cal is winnable SMU didn't look good against a two- win Nevada team and that won't be a hard that won't be a horrible place to play so but Cal is winnable Duke I think is winnable North Carolina without their start don't they play Carolina this year car North Carolina with a starting quarterback is winnable Charleston Southern is a win Florida is winnable well yes I'm with you on Charleston Southern and probably Florida oh I don't know not Cal you don't think Cal is winnable I don't know man no West Florida they yeah you're right yeah I know I did I mean I'm telling you Boston College might be great Ira 84 all over again Kyle just said Ira what are we going to do yeah it's a fair question and then he goes on to say DJ has something wrong mentally he's missing wide open passes so I I he throws some in the ground really there's a lot of throws that you're just like what is that I've never seen that that lost all his confidence yeah think that's the answer he was never terribly accurate but now this is I mean what a read out here what's weird in this I was telling Cory this on the break I don't know if you saw it at all but I really was glad to have my barnoculars last night so I could really watch the sidelines you gotta see that suck up close those conversations his conversations with Norvell and Tony to cars are different than I've ever really seen with quarterbacks because usually when quarterbacks come off the field and they're having they're asking what did you see in the quarterback you usually show like oh the safety did this and I did this whatever the there's not even like really conversations it's more just kind of like talking to him him listening and then him going and sitting down like there's not really like a a there's usually a vibrant discussion between a quarterback and the play call and you don't even see that last year well last year just scream at coming off the field like yelling at yelling at the coach or being really mad that's not happening but he's a he's a onee rent um clearly it's different playing in that speaks to somebody trying to instill in somebody totally are exact do that but I think it speaks to they're so concerned that it's like because I there was a there was a time in a huddle in the SEC in the probably in the fourth quarter where it looked like Tony toar was trying to joke with him a little bit to try to like he wouldn't and but it's like that's where you're at like relax dude settle down yeah no you can't do that and if that's the case and we don't know what was said but if you're literally just trying to get a guy to relax and play football and you deduce that he is completely bereft of confidence well then you make the quarterback put him out there what I wonder is can you come up with a plan where you say okay we're gonna we have to start looking at some of these young other guys to see what we have next year we're not GNA sit you forever we're not putting you on the bench and just throwing you away is there a way to create a plan where you you play like a couple of series or something like that just to give him a chance to watch the game and just calm down a little bit I don't know think you're all in or you're not four games College because if you just bench him I mean yeah a tough it's a tough one because you went and got a fifth year se but I I think you're your your thought and it's the right one about what does it say to portal guys in the future but they they have eyes and they've seen these games you know what I mean so they saw that game on Monday night so they couldn't be like golly you didn't give DJ much of a chance at all it's like what he Chip he chipped the bricks on a guy on a Thro he did damage to our turf and Stadium what are you talking about of course we had to bench them that doesn't mean we're going to bench you the first time you're not good sorry that's one of the best ones you've had in a while he chipped the bricks what do you want me to do he's out CH bricks we're trying to renovate this thing cival headlines 933 real talk radio War Chan TV continues in a moment hey Headliners it's time to talk Shopify as you remember a couple years ago we decided to create and sell headlines merch for the best podcast listeners in the world world that's you but I had no idea where to get started now I'm selling yay sausage shirts and it's so easy all because I use Shopify Shopify is the global Commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business whether you're a startup working out of your man cave or IPO ready Shopify is the only tool you need to grow your business without the struggle Shopify puts you in 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better player right now right now in a game he probably gives you a better chance to win defitely he can at least run around but he has not outperformed him in practice but now we're two games into we've seen eight quarters of this yeah it looks almost untenable uh R Wilmer writes like every no fan I'm in shock I know that Mike and his staff did not forget how to evaluate and Coach one season to the next season my question is has all of the outside noise and distractions did it do more damage than we thought it did or is it players not taking ownership and just executing plays properly I don't know how you quantify that I you know what did he say outside noise think just going to everything that happened towards the SN well I don't know I think it's more of the snub because look man I it's crossed my mind I mean that the not that the snub affected this team but it could have affected Co the coaches I mean it could have affected how they you know handled players because look man the snub was the snub that was awful the fact that you know so many of those guys opted out of that game and we defended at the time we said look there's you know it it you could make the case it was the right decision for a lot of those guys to get healthy to get ready for the combine all of those things they just told they were told their season didn't matter but at the end of the day it's still Mike norell and those players that had to go out there on that field and wear that ass kicking oh yes and that could affect you is all I'm saying like I could see that whole situ I mean it's kind of crazy to think that that wouldn't have some effect yeah I mean it's just you're in a relationship something happens like it just can affect the Dynamics they didn't just lose you know 40 to they got throttled embarrassingly so although it wasn't really a team but yeah I can see there can be some hold over there yeah I don't think I don't think it's yeah I don't think it's directly but I do think that there could be some tangent in hindsight honestly and we'll go next question they shouldn't have gone to the orange ball should just decline the invite Ira I think they still get paid for it right and even if they didn't I doubt they would have but whatever it wasn't worth that it wasn't worth what we saw in Miami and then what we've seen the last two games I don't think that's the reason for it no but still it's been a it's three games of gross Jacob yeah well certainly the layers of suck that's we've gone through over the last 12 quarters is tough It's been bad for and I feel bad for Florida State fans truly I do well especially if you had to take today off because you came up here to see a game last night on a Monday night yeah and you flew yeah I mean that's that's rough uh Jacob says why do we put so much emotional support into Florida State wouldn't it just be healthier to not put so much heart into this program that's hey that's a way to look at life well that's the nature of fandom and trying to find balance and the other thing it's just the salt in the wound of these two games was the fact that we talked about during the break the fact that they were both Prime Time Standalone games where nobody else is like whole country sees you you fall off a cliff in front of like and just being the punch line for everybody and people are already making fun of you because of the lawsuits and all that stuff and Michigan's in a one- score game against Fresno in the fourth quarter I mean there's a lot of other games going on the whole country isn't watching what that Abomination bu you know Vanderbilt beat Virginia Tech yeah uh dear Jeff Cory Ira why why I'll hang up and listen uh Patrick best offensive line in a decade huh yeah well Patrick here you go I know that that's a snarky comment uh send an email to your head coach who called him the best offensive line that he's ever had and Mike's been coaching for how many years more than a decade more than a decade so go to hell Patrick Manuel writes will the return of Atkins Elevate some of the offensive issues I don't think soate uh yeah sorry you're right up on game day I mean definitely up on game day I mean he's the guy that is in control of that you know just the the blocking schemes I mean that's obviously he's that's a that's what he does Mike norell is the play caller but he's the guy that works with the offensive linemen during the game it would help I just it's not going to help your quarterback Justin writes can we stop using royell and put in TOA field and Lucas so we have a chance at a big play I hey hey hey I'll say this I know he he he dropped a big pass in the opener but uh Cam Davis is I think the guy they're going to build around I think they're gonna build around be really good player by way it be nice if he ever had any an alley to run anywhere and I this is because I like the kid and I this is not like oh it's your fault but it certainly didn't help on Third and six when tely drops the ball it was weird what was that didn't even tip his hand I mean what how did that happen it was almost like he lost in the lights or something bizarre because that's what led to the first three and out and you didn't never have the ball yeah and he's a really good football player but I mean he's a really good football player it was bizarre it was it was so oddl looking that he's like oh did he miss him by four feet that initially because he didn't respond I'm like my man that's kind of an important catch and by the way there's nobody near you you're gonna run for 30 yards I mean that it's a pretty big play it's it's you know I guess he was trying to return Serb with Tron dropping that one on the first on the first drive as well they're old teammates they like each other oh man I don't even most of I don't want to stop asking questions most of these questions are about how bad these players suck and it's just it's kind of redundant at this point and I get it you guys are vinning I don't want you to think that I'm ignoring a lot of these questions but there's like 17 in a row that are asking why our receivers suck why the line sucks why the defensive Line's terrible what it's the same question everybody has this question and I agree with you guys I'm not trying to ignore your questions because we we elicit this we ask for questions but I'm not going to read the same thing over and over again I'm not going to read like Hey listen why does Kyle Morlock suck next question boy Morlock sucks did you guys see that coming hey did anybody realize Morlock has stone hands yeah hey Morlock sucks ass what are we doing yeah see like this you can't I don't want to just keep doing that you bet you did well I'm giving you a sample of what that would sound like and that's why I'm not gonna do it yeah and and again I I the Morlock thing is is bizarre it's just he doesn't I don't I honestly don't remember dropping more than one ball just that illustrates this point of like when things are going poorly it brings everybody down just like when somebody makes plays it lifts everybody up like you think about again going back to Jordan you know his scrambles in the Florida game like Florida state was not playing well in that game but Jord receivers were dropping everything in that game yeah but when you're when somebody starts making those plays it especially at the quarterback position it elevates every to me when your quarterback's doing poorly it brings everything else down and and so and again that's not to say DJ's a bad guy or that he you know that it's all his fault but he is not bringing everybody else up and that's what a quarterback kind of needs to do one one I'm gonna read a Facebook question here one of the things that bothers me and this is a legitimate question and I don't know the answer to this because I do believe that Adam Fuller knows football and yet I find myself repeatedly asking this question this one's from Steve however Blake looks like the only linebacker that can even cover somebody a little bit did a nice job on a second down covering the flat then noticed on third down and long he was taken out and Lundy was in why is Lundy on the field on Pass Downs 100% Fair it makes zero sense and I've seen it repeatedly well they I mean you could say they lost the Georgia Tech game because they they Lundy got matched up and covered on a third down team the second he is in the game this he's a run stopper that's what he's meant to be there's no reason on Third and seven you can't keep doing that man that's on you ad and you Randy and that is a fair criticism that is dumb yeah it's just dumb and I don't get it and you know you can't say that the team is well coached on that side of the ball particular instances but especially when literally four times five times in a row the running back is out just out there and nobody goes with them nobody goes with them like you got so lucky that trewn dropped the first one you would have thought okay we can't have that do again they just ran the same play they ran the same play they're like laughing and they just ran the other way they ran the other way at you he only completed 10 passes but how many of them were to covered like how many were tough throws you just keep giving these kids layup throws when the game was on the line that's a layup throw to a running back that's uncovered un Georgia Tech at least Lundy was trying to cover the but he can't he can't he never has been able to and but then these were just straight up there nobody ran with them and then Aon sent us a a p a clip of crier actually running with the kid on the when he was doing his job but that opened up the Run Lane for casianos to run for 25 yards on the last drive it's like it's just it's not all clicking right now everyone it's not clicking Assan said I know that it's not all DJ's you 's fault and I don't want to blame him singularly but could it really hurt to go to Brock at this point is Brock's inconsist inconsistency that much greater than DJ's in these games this season has no chance of being successful DJ's a one-year guy why not play for the future yeah that's at the Crux of our conversation I think I was talking to Ira about it like look I just think Brock Glenn Brock Glenn has not been better than DJ in practice but he can't be worse than what we've seen in the games but also it's just the mobility factor and DJ's not playing as well in game as he does in practice yes but also there's the mobility factor and it's also like Brock Glenn might be a good college quarterback he might not what you worry about in a sit in a situation like this is bringing in a kid and ruining him before he has a chance to be good I honestly don't think you have to worry about that with Brock Glenn no I think he's mentally tough I think he's a mentally different kind of he also handled a really untenable situation last year I mean he was fine he wasn't good but I'm saying he was mentally fine so I I think you don't risk losing him if you play him and he takes some lumps because either he's not your future croman Hawk is or he gets better one of the two but I don't think you can ruin I don't know that he's a guy that you can ruin I I just know I don't have time to worry about that right now I mean I got another guy in kowan hawu I like let's see if this kid can play he's very mobile he's tough yeah he's tough DJ's not going to be here next year yep I mean I get the implications what we're talking about with the you know the the nil and all that but man I can't keep rolling that kid out there missing wide open touchdowns yeah and the other part of this DJ even when DJ runs he doesn't run like he wants to run this is bizarre but also like you know going back to again just like Mike Nell's first couple of years just like the Wildcat packages just some different things and that's where I was half kidding about Trevor Jackson but now not really that kidding that much he could have a package he could have a package and Brock and and it again I think to DJ it wouldn't hurt DJ if Brock went in there and didn't do well right that could like take some pressure off of DJ you know what I'm saying like there are a lot of things that can happen maybe they could tell Brock to go in there and hey look hit the Co in the face yeah hey Brock listen I know this is unorthodox I really want you to sling this into the stand try to hit that kid in row seven because DJ needs to see that other people can suck too see if you could take out see if you can take out another panel on the video board with this throw DJ he's not the only one chipping bricks I need you out here to chip some bricks this is hard it's a hard game he showed he can get an intentional grounding by just spiking the ball you can you can one up that you can thr out of the stadium got it on two yeah yeah come on man do you care about Florida State or not man show your team we're in the last minute thankfully somebody texted me last night that uh lisus means basketball is going to be good again unfortunately I don't think that's they do have jir Watkins back which I forgot about until the other day I forg about that it was the only thing that I could hang my hat on Terren man chose this game to come back to last night yeah that's a bum a toughy Terrence sorry if you're listening buddy yeah got comment on the uh chat contribution sorry what is it I was reading the question yeah you got it go go go Dan Willis thanks for your contribution he says he's still drunk from last night which is impressive if you are I'll give you credit for that which why has to phy been de facto moved to wide receiver when he's best receiver when he's our best running back Orel keeps referencing taking advantage of perimeter pass plays when teams have shown no respect for a vertical game uh yeah so he started in the slot last night and he played some there man they're throwing stuff against but he had one carry for five yards that's bizarre right really quickly really quickly we what he thinks about the re we got 10 seconds Nico shy appreciate you as well this is my bad I fell down on the job he may be in over his head uh when you don't know who your team is that's your coach that you hand buil you have to own that yeah yeah there's a lot may be in his over his head yeah yeah I don't know about that but he definitely has he Bears the brunt of all this and luckily for everyone he admitted to that after the game Jason wants to know what have you learned about your team in the first two games from Mike norell I don't it' be interesting to hear ask Mike norell that ask it boys sign off good work out of you Ira good work Corey peace out everybody sorry we couldn't get to them all a lot of them were redundant see you next