'Attack On Individual Liberty' | Keir Starmer To Potentially Ban Outdoor Smoking

this is drive time we get the man who wrote the article Jack elom good afternoon afternoon Jeremy this only came about my friends because Jack texted me last night and said don't speak to me now I'm drunk but I've written this article front page I'll come on tomorrow and here I am you know good man you look a bit worse for w watch this response is this your first ever front page K SM I've been on various of your shows before talking about my front pages this is this is wi in a long line but I think actually you know what it could be um the most important way have ever written because it does have seismic consequences not just for freedom in the country but also for our beloved Pub industry if you've heard anything today its Hospitality bosses saying this is going to absolutely us so you maybe we can get into some of that but yeah it's it's very big news today it's really interesting um we we I mean we haven't spoken for a while um absolute outrage not just about this but over the last few weeks and I was going to ask this from a political standpoint because so many people saying so let me get this right they're going to release prisoners early let me get this right you can be given 15 months in prison for a Facebook comment let me get this absolutely right you can be a doctor or I don't know a train driver and get a inflation busting rise within weeks of labor being in power yes we're all really surprised I'm not surprised this what socialism is about they will next tax middle England but this is to me an even bigger attempt at not our Liberty but but but too much control listen everybody knows have the occasional cigarette I absolutely know I'm that old that even I can remember I mean how bad is this smoking on planes I I don't believe there's a place for smoking in that instance anymore I think it's great it's not inside pubs and in restaurants and rooms where people don't like it but if you are telling average people that they can't go outside to a a Hut that's made for a cigarette personal choice right seriously and and if you want to take me on about the NHS secure starma I'll tell you what do something about fat Britain because that obesity which is an epidemic we were talking about it yesterday on the show is also relevant but of course all the do gooders will jump up down and say smoking's appalling so yes it probably is but we're also surely not at a point where we're not able to choose anything anymore under this government no the um the government documents which um which I received and have written about did you get how did you get this story I you know it passed passed to me by a source but I can't I can't I don't know the stor but it was passed to you it's a very important story yeah yeah yeah um you know I've got I have seen um lot of uh government documents um which um expose this plan uh in full um something which the government seems to be working on for some time um it's completely uh almost certainly uh fleshed out in this plan uh it makes clear that the government believes that the public will be on their side when they announce this um they are making the calculation that only 6 million people in this country smoke so that's about 133% and therefore 87% do not smoke the problem I think a lot of people having today one is the catastrophic potentially effect on hospitality industries which have invested a lot of money and have spent money on making all these outdo but also the fact that I think people will ask if you were so confident in this public position then why on Earth one wasn't in your election Manifesto and why wasn't it in The King's Speech when this bill came forward only a few weeks ago because what they've done with this bill is they presented it in Parliament not too long ago and now very quickly they have massively ramped it up without anybody knowing about it until we revealed it on the front page of the sun today it's really interesting to me because um you know if we get away from I'm I'm shocked that people couldn't see through the Socialist angle of this government we're talking about Liberty here right we're talking we're talking about I mean here's a really good message here from Christen Newbery J of smokers could hit back at starmer as early as tomorrow stop smoking and deny the treasury billions it's not even that for me I'm talking about free Choice are you telling me that you want to live in a country where you are not allowed to do I I honestly it begs the question how much more Jack was not in the in the manifesto that's going to be foed upon this country in a in a really underhand W and I can't believe this is only two months in and that's the point a lot of critics are making today is the fact that if this wasn't in the manifesto then you don't really have a mandate for it now often governments do things you know which they you know don't believe they Manifesto but it's usually much further along in the parliament well somebody said to me yesterday is he doing it now because there's a massive bounce because he's going to get the unpopular things out the way I'll tell you what I'd like to watch and listen to uh Nigel farage have a listen this was his response it's not n statism it's authoritarianism it is you know I know what is best for you and you will damn well do it and what I'm going to do is I'm going to take your legal activity and make it illegal I mean that's really what they're saying here a smoke free Britain by 2030 really will it be drugs free by 2030 will it be obesity free will it be alcoholism free I mean look you know this is a massive overreach by government I I I lo these people and their very instincts if you overregulation prescribe and over tax the product you basically Drive something that is legal into the hands of those that deal in illegal drugs there have been 97 firebombings of shops and homes in Melbourne in the last two years alone between Waring tobacco gangs it's just astonishing so I think there's a you know a real danger here that you effectively Drive tobacco into the arms of a drug dealers you make it a prohibited substance uh sunak was on the same course as well and you finish up with a law of unintended consequences also do we want our kids to smoke no ex do we want our kids to drink too much no we don't want any of these things youve got to do it by education let people make their own decision I love it the only person ever that has managed to do an hour a minute and a half on this station and not let Julia heartley Brewer n but he's right over regulation control of Our Lives I I think that that what amazes me from a political point of view is that that starma must be very sure of his position to be bringing in these sorts of things so quickly because this is going to go down in a in a particularly bad way in my humble opinion yeah he is massive majority no one in his back bench is going to kick up a fuss about it thing is that he stood in the steps of Downing Street in his first speech as prime minister and one of the things that stood out because it seemed to like differentiate him from like previous labor Prime Ministers and what you expect labor Prime Ministers to say is he said I'm going to lead a government which Treads more lightly on your lives I.E I'm not going to encroach and and and infringe on you you know we're going to go back to small statism and people thought people sat up when he said that because that's not a thing you often hear labor people saying now that he's come and done this today it seems that this flies in the face of what he said uh only a few months ago when he won that election and it's either one of two things it's either like you said he is getting decisions which he believes in but are inevitably unpopular out of the way early or is this the thin end of the wedge as ndel farage believes and we're going to get down a slippery slope of just Banning Banning Banning more things I'm not sure that he has a plan I think this is I I think a bit like the doctors and the pay rise to aslef it's all part of I said it to you before the tent is so large to to have got him elected in the first place I think he's paying off whether it's the unions with a pay rise or the left who want to control everything we do I think this will be a seminal moment and people will laugh at me and go come on he's around for 5 years by God if you listening Ryan she's good this Jody got a voice now already uh Deb's on the Smoky Bango hey Jeremy is this not going to kill the hospitality industry even more this is just mad where are we supposed to socialize if we the generation that are still allowed to smoke where are we supposed to meet and socialize with each other it's just barking it's it's I mean she's nailed it hasn't she yeah and I think that the problem with a big impact on hospitality is that yes you can make the argument that only minority people now smoke but if you have one smoker B wers tell me the minorities are important unless you know somebody said something to me the other day about starma and about prisons they only they don't like prison they don't think it's good enough we should rehabilitate prisons but they're happy to people they don't like to prison this is exactly the same they'll stick up for every minority but if you choose to smoke or you choose to have a drink let me tell you something else why is he not out there dealing with a knife epidemic he had his militia on the streets quick enough for the riots and quite right too but nothing happened in Notting Hill let's not go there again but there's a knife epidemic and his answer is to say I'll give you a tener for a zombie knife this is control in its most direct sense isn't it yeah um you know people are going to be incredibly angry about this today uh you know it's a it I think it's what a lot of people expected them to do not not terms of the policy itself absolutely no way there was not even sort of squeak of that in the manifesto or during the campaign and that's lying essentially isn't it well you know it's um yeah it's probably it's probably you know not being honest at best and and deceitful at worst because you know I don't think anyone believes that they've just conjured this up in the past uh few weeks or so they might be something they've been planning for a while what I think actually do know I think the various administrations have been under pressure by uh elements of the Civil Service to implement similar policies hold a second hold a second the Civil Service want this I think that has been sort of recommended to by you see like like the last government uh decided on Rwanda not my idea of a good plan and civil servants who taxpayers pay to do their jobs decided that they didn't like Rwanda so they used our money to take the Democratic elected government to to to court you're telling me that you think I mean here's a question surely you're you're a political correspondent is it not true in this country now that civil servants have too much power should a government not take them on and try and change or is that never going to change well listen like you know it's the always the old adage isn't it um advisor advise and ministers decide so the buck does stop with ministers it's whether or not you have ministers who are um competent enough and bold enough to stamp their Authority on White Hall itself like I think that there are many hardworking civil servants who make the Machinery of government sing and uh you know we we we do need them but when you have when you come in there with a political Direction as a government you need you need to be the one as the minister who is you know having having a firm hand on the tiller because otherwise you might have civil servants maybe over overreaching a bit um it's an amazing article no cigarettes and alcohol ban on smoking in Pub Gardens and public places they are ladies and gentlemen that's Kier starm let's talk more about him drivers prepared and warned uh to get ready for a fuel Duty hike in painful budget that's a surprise we will not raise taxes no income tax no vat no money back no whatever but we are going to screw what is it 30,000 motorist 7 I don't know how many 30,000 million 30 million voters in this country again I think the argument is perfectly feasible I mean we all could see through it but how many of the electorate believed the BS that came out of his mouth and within two short months bit of a problem that's going to be that's going to be a problem for everybody isn't it I think if he puts up fuel Duty in any way at the budget then people are going to be incredibly grieved because we've we've got the receipts from the election campaign where people like me were interviewing senior Labor uh figures and they all but confirmed they wouldn't explicitly confirm but all but wink wink nudge nudge you know this is not going to happen we are going to keep fueld duty Frozen wreting told me that our campaign the sun's long running campaign to keep fuel Duty down will be pushing out an Open Door under the labor government and now and also remember the fact that they said they wouldn't raise taxes on working people now they've sort of now pigeon ho that into vat income tax National Insurance millions of workers use cars to get to their office every single day and you know the RAC had a really interesting report yesterday showing that we are still not getting value for money at the petrol pumps you know we have greedy for for courts and retailers who are still not bringing down and passing on price Falls um from wholesale costs and so I think if you if if you you sting drivers even more then it's going to be uh it's going to be incred fin can't smoke you can commit a crime and if you say sorry released right you you I mean what's this other thing woeful budgeting behind 7.6 billion Asylum overspend that's not his government that's the past government and governments but that that's another thing about stama I know how to stop the boats do you how you can do that I'm going to attack The Gangs I'm going to create a bordar two months in no borders are uh two months in 7,000 people have crossed the channel he hasn't got any more answers than the last lot has he I mean I think the honey and I'm not just saying it I think the honeymoon period is well and truly over for saki stama yeah I mean that's that's a very good argument he has probably had one of the shortest Hyman periods of a long time um he's obviously I do I do think that he has inherited a mess with a lot of with a lot of things like especially when it comes to Illegal immigration right you know for for we are currently tracking above any other year in terms of Boat Crossings you and that happened under the Tories they made a bit of progress last year sticking up for the Tes bit of progress last year but in the past six months it's been awful M I'm not sticking up for them at all but if you get voted in by saying I'm going to sort this and you don't and you also get voted in without saying some of the things that you're going to slip under the counter I think it's a recipe for disaster back to your amazing story Colin Meister Pub landlords could make their Gardens private part of their home and then invite people into the domestic Gardens as friends I mean you probably need to get a license for it but says I bloody well warn people not to vote for labor or reform at this election as this would allow these socialists to gain power my God what a mistake what's going to happen next I think people are genuinely waking up and saying what this you've created Madness Gary voice note go hi Jeremy it's quite clear labor want us out of pubs we can talk too much and get our own ideas in there they want us in front of the TV where they can TV program us wow Jack yeah I mean I think I think Kia starm is actually known to like a point in his local pub I think so but he's not a smok he didn't get done for that did he like Boris Johnson did got away with that in Durham because he was working although he was in somebody's house do you believe just one thing before you skid Adel and we're so grateful for you being on what when he stood in the garden the other day he talked about medicine and it's going to be hard and all that um do you believe he's got a plan or do you think that he's so busy being dictated to the different factions inside his party and doing stuff that will alleviate any pressure and Curry favor for one of a better phrase do you think he's got a plan do you think he's that sort of leader like Thatcher or Blair who says this is what's needed this is what I'm going to do think he a conviction politician it's interesting isn't it because a lot of people thought when he was in opposition that he would almost say anything to get elected I agree and therefore you know he didn't really star rism in a sense didn't really exist I think there is sort of more of a uh philosophy underlying it he clearly talks about public service a lot um but I do also appreciate I think he's had the Inay from hell when he came in here you know he had a lot of strikes he had uh you awful NHS waiting list he he had boats all well I'm talking about a plan is if you talk about a 22 million pound black hole on day one if you give 22% to doctors having nurses only got 5% last year and 15% to asle you are saying to your union pay masters line up roll up I'll give you whatever and how do you managed to equate that to the British people we 22 billion no I'm not saying he's handled it perfectly by by any means and you one of the questions I asked him at that press conference uh on on Tuesday was having you basically opened yourself up now especially with the unions to playing throughout the rest of your presip because what did he say he said I don't think so because I'm going to be tough with the unions you know I didn't give them everything they wanted well some people might say that yeah you didn't give them the 35% the Jor doctors they wanted but you gave them 22% you didn't give aslef the the uh you know the sort of the millions they wanted but you still gave them the Hefty sum and then a few days later said they were going to strike again so you know that seems to a backfire quite spectacularly um I think going forward now I think he needs to sort of really show and demonstrate to people that he's not just going to especially with that side of thing the unions roll over and Cave he can speak as he can call himself tough as much as he wants but you know we know that went Fred Miller Band you know you have to actually show your tough by your actions not by your words and I think that that's what people are going to be looking for real response to this Pete Jolly I've never smoked and I find it a really antisocial habit but it's a legal product and telling people where and when they're allowed to do a legal thing is tantamount to Communism adults should be free to indulge in any Vice they like if it's legal Paula mayy from Brighton the smoking ban just might be the only thing thus far that I agree with this government I have extreme sensitivity to cigarette smoke and have to deal with people smoking underneath my window all day every single time despite the no smoking signs I'm fly five floors up but it still seeps into my flat interesting interesting people will have their opinions I don't disagree with Paula but I do think you're in trouble I do think you're in trouble if you start to say to the British people you can't say that you can't write this you can't have that cigarette you can't have more than one Pine because the one thing about this country is we're supposed to be it's Freedom Liberty democracy all those sorts of things great article what what you know really really like if you haven't bought it today Jack El from the front no cigarettes and alcohol by the