“Appalling Nanny State” | Keir Starmer Slammed For Potential Outdoor Smoking Ban

welcome to stalwarts one on left uh he's not in Gaza he's here in the studio Matthew lza good afternoon good afternoon Mr K here to defend this appalling Nanny I'll do I'll do rubbish not allowed to have a not allowed to do a post and Benedict Spence who I see really as a sort of future son-in-law but more of that off air how are you B I'm well thank you good to have you both here um we we start only because I got a phone call last night at half n from the exent Jack elom who wrote this exclusive uh starm L thing is secret government plans Matthew to ban smoking in beer Gardens outdoor restaurants open air spaces and outside football stadiums leaked uh to Jack front page today outrage already Nigel farage uh warning actually interestingly not about the the free choice of being able to do it you want because this isn't a nanny State it's going to absolutely destroy the hospitality industry all in in saki's mind to prevent huge burdens on the NHS and the taxpayer I might respectfully suggest a bigger burden on the NHS and the taxpayer is il migration um so I actually love him he's the only Lefty I love this man God so I think it will be abandoned within a fortnite frankly it might be abandoned by 10 o'clock tonight um uh so look I'm complete support of the indoor smoking band which frankly some people were like do you remember John Reed the old Glasgow Bruiser who said or you've got to get an exception for working men's club where was he from he was from Glasgow that was my tempted I'm going to regret can you do that just indefinitely for the rest of the show this is I'm with you you know there was so people who said oh you know working people all that there's a big reason for doing the Indo smoking man we all know the arguments passive smoking Etc the and of course what's happened since the original smoking M was introduced is we've had the rise of the Vape um and so now the issue is it's not actually people smoking tobacco um in the I mean obviously some people are but in the smoking area of a club or uh in the garden of a pub or standing on the pavement outside people are raping away uh and if you stop that that's going to because the number of vapers is so much larger now the number of smokers you're going to have a big impact on but I'm I'm talking about I'm spoking of landlord today Ben and Brilliant mat but I'm talking they've spent thousands making areas in their Gardens for people and and they kind of igloos as well the at what point do you get where you're saying I know better than you what's good for you you ain't smoking do one M let me make my own mind up surely that's fair to be fair that's kind of what the labor party does it says to everybody we know better than you and you're going to listen to what we have to say um so it turns out was rather prophetic that Jeremy Clarkson banned Sak from his from his pu he hadn't even opened his and he knew that he didn't want to see him cross the threshold so well done that man and I hope everybody else follows suit but I do agree with Matthew I think that this will not last and I think actually no I think that this is the sort of thing that a government does to try to appear as if it's getting to grips it's getting on to business it's trying to make things happen but ultimately this is uh it's a it's not a good thing because it shows if we're already at that stage that other things you know concrete things like for instance migration is probably not going very well um you know Dr supposes that with also the infighting that's happening at number 10 which is already becoming public that's not great we're what not even two months into this labor government yet and things are getting bad s stas polling is dropping like a stone you know the grown-ups really are back in charge it's absolutely magnificent but you know just broadly speaking it it's the funny thing is it wouldn't even save that many lives in the grand scheme of things because as we've just discussed Vapes but also increasingly lenes and things like that the market has already reacted to the fact that cigarettes kill people by providing people with far safer far cheaper sources of nicotine and nicotine whilst is actually very addictive isn't necessarily very bad for you this is the thing that it's yeah it's the other stuff put those patches on and then I just took them off when I wanted to F didn't but all people get addicted to the patches all I love your honesty Matt and I and I think it's I I think it's I think it's shortsighted in terms of the hospitality industry but I think what it does is it is it sends to people a belief that the labor party the labor government is going to go I mean it to me just gives red meat to anybody who's got a problem it's totally it's as toned de as having your suits and glasses bought by I me I'm I'm you know I'm I'm in favor of pretty much everything that's been done on trying to reduce smoking I'm in favor of the stuff on packages I'm in favor of the um you know keeping it behind uh you know plain clothes as it were in the supermarket behind the tail but this is just after and let's face if anybody's been to a club I the worst thing is going in Club toilets than smoking well so the young people tell me so the young people tell me Ser seriously this is this is another point that actually it appears that smoking marijuana is now completely legal it's certainly in central London because every day country you can smell it everywhere so here's the thing we're going to ban it in pubs we're going to ban it outside clubs who's going to police it is it going to be the people that aren't arresting people smoking weed because it be car who says you can't part there you're having a s that's the it will be landlords who are who are who are prosecuted for this it won't be the individuals it'll be landlords which will be another assault on pubs which actually at this time really you know we already know the stats about how quickly they're closing these are legitimate businesses they're part of our culture and they are being hammered left right and Center by where the Indo smoking band basically Poli itself listen I'm that old I was saying earlier it's disgusting now to think that we'd sit on planes and you could smoke at the back I get I get all of that's disgusting but I think you're in real Uncharted dangerous territory if you say to somebody if you want to in your garden or in a pub Garden a cigarette with a glass of wine you are not doing that that to me is danger what I what I would say is we've both said that we think they're going to row back on this because we're assuming that they're sensible let's say that they're not let's say that actually they are ideologically driven about health care you know crisis and czes and all that sort of thing if they do this by the end of this Parliament you will already be seeing other punitive measures bought in on things like alcohol I suspect taxes will go up on alcohol I suspect things like sugar as well the they will begin to bring in more and more me bu Dr have a fact sugar on my Frost I'm serious when we're getting to the point where fros they got a lot of sugar serious when we're getting to the point where actually we're taking completely ridiculous measures on something that is already dying out anyway to look tough and to appease people in the in the in the healthcare Lobby you will see these same politically are they going to be end up like in Scotland where the S&P after a while thought they could you know the S&P knew best and they're aided by the greens H and you saw things like and abandoned the reasons that people voted for yeah I mean um so and and it's a big clash between the kind of you know holier than th Guardian members and and voters in the red wall yeah did I have we talked about the suits and the glasses you haven't been on since there have you no I I mean to me again well to to me again I mean I'm astounded you stand in that Rose Garden or whereever it is and you say I'm going to you know I'm going to stop pensioners getting a winter fuel we can have the argum means testing I just think the look to be then stood there in a suit that's been given to you and glasses when you were on 400 Grand a year and you live in a nice house and you're the prime minister of this country is tone deaf and and I'm not listen we might not agree politically but I am amazed in eight weeks how this or the suits thing is allowed to happen that's that's rubbish planning isn't it yeah I mean the suit thing's very interesting because they're a bit long-winded to tell but I when I worked for Ed Mand when he was leader um uh there was um there was Yes you heard it right yes I did I say that quickly uh we had we had to donate a pair of shoes to uh Good Morning Britain charity appeal and I can tell you we had a very long meeting about what brand of shoe we should donate so Harriet Harmon just said oh I've left a Top Shot bag outside me house with like 10 pairs of shoes in um um uh you know they're there for the taking we had to have about 20 meetings certainly exaggerate but certainly long meeting to decide whether marks and we couldn't go we couldn't give a pair of churches because they were that was too Posh we couldn't give a pair of Marks and Spencers because they were we just trying to say was ordinary so so in the end we had to um we House of phas which is obviously the L party headquarters was the Compromise this is before Mike Ashley bought it but um uh yes I mean cool people would say he could have done better for his glasses for the four grounds Tom W says I agree with Benedict jar I was at Alton Towers all day on Sunday and I could smell was Bloody weed all day I mean it's nobody to police it's no wonder that but if you jumped to que somebody' come out and say you want but equally um it's no surprise that productivity is down in this country if everybody is actually substituting nicotine for marijuana everybody's going to be getting a lot less done shows you where the priorities are but you know I mean how much get your Munchies on delivery Wayne the Brookie why is anyone surprised with communist Stalin star I've seen it all coming and there's more to come you mark my words keep the faith and don't give up the fight you're a labor supporter you and by the way none of us none of us are defending the abysmal performance of the Tores at the end but you would admit to being frustrated with one of two own goals in a very short space of time yes and I think this is toon this is the one that irritates me most because um some of them are you know I've know the inor for one of the cronies I've known him for 30 years he's a good you know he is genuinely a good man but it's the they not doing things properly not looking at the foresight of what's going to happen and then this is just DED I think this is why you should go back into it is former labor advisor I mean you you did not advise Ed milleran to have a bacon sandwich I was bought in to uh to make sure he never ate on anywhere near a camera did you was it your idea the St no but I was there the tablet I was there but did you argue against it um do you know what I actually knew I was going to lose the argument so I didn't speak in the meeting I love that I didn't speak up I mean I don't I don't think you get a job anymore the problem is you'd sit down there be far too sensible and go chaps I don't think cronyism is a good look and all the cronies would go know I'm a cron and I haven't been looked when we come