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WERE WITH VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS TODAY. THIS RACE IS ABOUT GETTING THE VOTE OUT. WHAT STUCK OUT ABOUT THESE EVENTS Q >> WHAT STUCK OUT WAS THE CONVERSATIONS I WAS HAVING WITH THE VOTERS. I WENT TO NORTH CAROLINA A FEW MONTHS AGO AFTER THE DEBATE. THE CROWD WAS ENTHUSIASTIC BUT THEY KNEW HE HAD SUFFERED A BIG LOW AND THE ENTHUSIASM WAS MORE ABOUT SUPPORTING HIM RATHER THAN THE CAMPAIGN AHEAD. THE PEOPLE I WAS TALKING TO THAT WERE WAITING IN LINE IN CHARLOTTE WERE TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH ENTHUSIASM THEY HAD AND HOW GREAT THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE WAS. A VOLUNTEER SAID THEY WERE KNOCKING ON DOORS AND PEOPLE SAID THEY WOULD VOTE FOR JOE BIDEN BUT THAT IS IT. THEY KNEW WHAT WAS AT STAKE. NOW THEY SAY WHEN THEY KNOCK ON DOORS PEOPLE ARE ENTHUSIASTIC TO VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WINNING AND LOSING. THE HARRIS CAMPAIGN HAS A REAL SHOT OF WINNING. >> YOU HAVEN'T EVEN OPENED YOUR MOUTH AND YOU ARE ALREADY THE MVP OF THE SEGMENT. YOU ARE WORKING THAT HARD. TALK TO US ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. TOMORROW HE HAS ANOTHER CONFERENCE. HE WILL RAMBLE AND HE WILL LIVE. GETTING PEOPLE WORKED UP AND FIRE UP. >> HE HAD THAT RALLY IN TUCSON AND THIS AFTERNOON THE CAMPAIGN IS GOING IS A PRESS EVENT IN LOS ANGELES BEFORE HOLDING A RALLY IN VEGAS TOMORROW NIGHT. IT GETS AT THE HEART OF DONALD TRUMP OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. THAT IS WHAT LED TO CONSPIRACY THEORIES. AND ALSO OVER THE COURSE OF 24 HOURS TO GO ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL WITH THE LIKES OF -- THIS SUDDENLY BECOMES A QUESTION OF WHAT IS TRUTH TO THE REPUBLICAN NOMINEE. MEANT CONCERNS OF LONGTIME REPUBLICANS OF WHO DONALD TRUMP WOULD SURROUND HIMSELF BUT BETTER YET IN 2025, IF HE IS TURNING TO PEOPLE LIKE -- AS OTHER INDIVIDUALS FROM THE PARTY , DESPITE GIVING EIGHT YEARS OF BREATHING ROOM. YOU THERE IS CONCERN ABOUT WHAT ALL OF THIS MEANS. >> WHAT IS THE TRUTH? >> VISE HE IS SMART AND COOL AND HE IS THE BEST, THAT IS THE TRUTH HE IS LOOKING FOR. ABSOLUTELY ANNIHILATED THE DEBATE PERFORMANCE CALLING CATASTROPHIC. HE MOST LIKELY WILL NOT DO ANOTHER DEBATE. DOES HE RISK LOSING CONSERVATIVE VOTERS? >> WE TALK ABOUT TRUMP'S BASE. IN THESE CONVERSATIONS, THERE ARE ABOUT 20% OF REPUBLICANS THAT DO NOT LIKE DONALD TRUMP AND DID NOT WANT HIM TO BE THE NOMINEE. OR IN 2016 OR 2020. I THINK THERE IS A REAL RISK IF HE KEEPS DOWN THIS PATH IN THE NEXT 50 DAYS, TALKING ABOUT WILD CONSPIRACY THEORIES FED TO HIM BY LAURA LOOMER. SOME WILL JUST STAY HOME. I DON'T THINK YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE VOTE FOR KAMALA HARRIS. DONALD TRUMP HAS DONE VERY LITTLE OUTREACH TO PEOPLE LIKE MITT ROMNEY AND GEORGE W. BUSH AND THAT CHENEY. AND THEN HE DEFINED HIS CANDIDACY AND POLITICAL PERSONA IN OPPOSITION TO THAT PARTY. THAT IS THE OLD GUARD, THEY DON'T REPRESENT THE PARTY NOW, THEY DO REPRESENT A SIZABLE SWAP OF VOTERS. HE DOES RUN THE RISK OF LOSING SUPPORT. >> I CANNOT IMAGINE ANY OF THOSE GUYS EVEN WANTING TO TAKE THE CALL. IF HE DOESN'T DO ANOTHER DEBATE, THAT MEANS THE FINAL DEBATE WILL BE BETWEEN TIM WALZ AND JADE EVENTS ON OCTOBER 1. DO REPUBLICANS WANT JADE EVENTS TO BE THE LAST MEMORY AMERICANS HAVE IN THE FINAL DAYS OF THIS RACE OF THAT TICKET? >> SOME REPUBLICANS ARE HOPING HE WOULD BE A GREAT ADDITION AND BE A GREAT FINAL VOICE. IT CAME FROM PEOPLE INSIDE THE CIRCLE THAT SAID HE WOULD ADD HAFT AND SPEAK TO A NEW KIND OF VOTER THAT TRUMP COULDN'T GET ACCESS TO. NONE OF THAT HAS HAPPENED. HE IS THE LEADING PROPONENT. DOESN'T EVEN FEEL LIKE POLITICS. IT IS A DARK CHAPTER OF THE RACE AND OF THIS RACIST CONSPIRACY THEORY ABOUT HAITIAN IMMIGRANTS IN OHIO. WE KNOW WHAT IT MEANS WHEN A MAJORITY STARTS MAKING CLAIMS ABOUT A MINORITY. WE DON'T CALL IT POLITICS WE CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE. THE QUESTION, IS WHAT WILL THEY DO ABOUT WHAT THEY PUT OUT. HOW WILL THEY BRING PEOPLE BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE ACTUAL ISSUES. AND NOT THIS SPINNING FASTER CONSPIRACY WILL -- WHEEL THAT IS PUSHING US INTO THIS PLACE. >> I WANT TO GO BACK TO LAURA LOOMER, THE FAR RIGHT CONSPIRACY THEORIST TRAVELING WITH TRUMP. THIS TIME LAST YEAR SHE WAS CALLING 911 AND INSIDE JOB. THIS YEAR SHE WAS TRAVELING WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP WHEN HE WENT TO MEMORIALS. EVEN REPUBLICANS LIKE LINDSEY GRAHAM AND MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN SAID IT IS A BAD IDEA AND SAID SHE IS TOO RACIST. WHAT IS GOING ON? >> TWO WEEKS AGO SHE SUGGESTED DEMOCRATS WERE BEHIND THE SHOOTING IN GEORGIA AND THE FBI WAS COMPLICIT FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES. LAURA LOOMER IS SOMEONE WHO IS THE EMBODIMENT OF THE CONSPIRACY MOVEMENT AND WHERE IT HAS GONE WITH MORE THAN 1 MILLION FOLLOWERS JUST ON HER ACCOUNT ALONE, SHE HAS BEEN LEGITIMIZED BY FORMER PRESIDENTS. EVEN LIKE MARJORIE TAYLOR GREEN, EXPRESSING CONCERNS. THIS HITS THAT THE HEART OF DONALD TRUMP AND THOSE HE SURROUNDED HIMSELF BY. UNLIKE 2016 AND 2020, YOU HAD OFFICIALS THAT WERE TRYING TO WORK AS GATEKEEPERS, KEEPING SOME OF THESE FRINGE FIGURES FROM HAVING THE EAR OF DONALD TRUMP. CLOSING THE OVAL OFFICE. THIS GO AROUND, DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN FULL ACCESS. THAT IS WHAT ULTIMATELY YOU ARE HEARING PLAY OUT. A REPUBLICAN NOMINEE AND POTENTIAL PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THAT IS THROUGH THE LENS OF PEOPLE LIKE LAURA LOOMER. THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT AND HAVE THE CONSEQUENCE OF THE CANDIDATE STANDING ON THAT STAGE, DESPITE SOME OF THE PEOPLE ON HIS TEAM. IF THEY ARE NOT WORKING AS BARRIERS, THEY WILL HAVE A CANDIDATE THAT WILL SPEAK WHAT HE JUST HEARD AND THEN DETAILED BY OFFICIAL AFTER OFFICIAL. >> FOR ANYONE WHO THOUGHT MAYBE HE'S GOING TO PICK NIKKI HALEY, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, GUESS WHAT. IF YOU PICK LAURA LOOMER AS A PERSON TO BE IN YOUR EAR AND TRAVEL WITH YOU, YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO PICK NIKKI HALEY. IS KAMALA HARRIS'S CAMPAIGN GOING TO USE THIS AND SHOW HIS CRAZY TO THE PEOPLE? I AM THINKING ABOUT THE NEW YORKERS THAT ARE INCLINED TO VOTE FOR HIM. HOW ARE THEY GOING TO FEEL ABOUT HIS TRAVELMATE? >> IT IS INTERESTING. THEY ARE NOT NECESSARILY AMPLIFYING THE OUTRAGEOUS CLAIMS THAT SHE IS MAKING, WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS SPEAKING ABOUT WHAT THE HARRIS CAME PAIN THINK IS THE MOST EFFECTIVE MOMENT OF THAT DEBATE WHEN SHE JUST TALKED ABOUT TURNING THE PAGE. A LOT OF AMERICANS VIEW HIM AS THE CHANGE CANDIDATE. A LOT OF AMERICANS AREN'T HAPPY WITH THE STATE OF THE RACE. WHAT THEY ARE USING THIS CRAZY TO DO IS GET BOTH THAT UP AMERICANS AND DOUBLE HATERS TO SAY IF YOU WANT TO THROW UP YOUR HANDS, THAT IS NOT WHO YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR. YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THIS CAMPAIGN. HARRIS SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN CHARLOTTE TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS AND THE SUPPORT SHE IS GETTING. THE FACT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF FORMER STAFFERS AND SENIOR REPUBLICANS. NOW I AM IN MICHIGAN WHERE I WILL SPEND TIME WITH GOVERNOR WALZ. THE CROWD WAS -- SAYING WE ARE NOT