JRE MMA Show #162 with Belal Muhammad

Joe Rogan podcast check it out The Joe Rogan Experience Train by day Joe Rogan podcast by night all day all right what's up good to see you man congratulations good to see you brother Appreciate You Man The champ is here everybody has to shut the [ __ ] up now that's the best part right now is now I could just talk as much as possible and they can't say nothing they can't say nothing there's so many doubters so many naysayers so many people didn't want you to get that title shot it was so unfair dude it was really wild it was wild to see it really was it really was cuz I'm like are you guys not watching his fights like what the [ __ ] are you guys seeing I I do not understand when people don't appreciate Excellence I really don't get it I never like the Shawn Brady fight you see that fight you don't think this dude is a [ __ ] problem for everybody you see the Wonder Boy fight see all your fights and all of them they've been different right like with Des BR all I did was stand up I didn't shoot one takedown on him G Burns I didn't shoot one Tak down Wonder Boy I took him down obviously I'm not going to strike with a kickbox so I've showed you guys all forms of martial arts and people still hated they're like they're still hating so crazy even with the Leon fight so even for this fight absolutely Leon fight I think they have to shut the [ __ ] up I think everybody has to shut the [ __ ] up and just recognize what you did cuz you put so much pressure on him standing up you were in his face from the very first second second of the very first round you just Advanced and you could tell he wanted that space and you could tell it was a different experience and what he thought he was going to get from you yeah I mean when we saw him against Kobe and him against Usman the third fight we saw that he's he's expert at distance he manages the distance he puts it at his own pace so we were like bro we got to make this the dirtiest fight the hardest fight for him so we got to step right away so even when the ref was like looking to me telling me to back up when he looked at Leon and say you ready you ready I'm walking forward ready away so I'm right in his face before he even like looks up so I was like I got to get him on his back foot right away make him uncomfortable and I knew he's not good uncomfortable none of these no no Striker really good moving backwards right but I know Leon specifically I don't want to be in his kick range I don't want him his slow pace like he did against Kobe and these guys where he kicks moves kicks moves I'm like I'm gonna be in his face non-stop punching him in his mouth and taking him down whenever I see an opening the Kobe fight I thought was going to be different I think Kobe broke his foot real early in that fight I mean I think Kobe sucks but for me I think that Kobe wasn't he's just not a good Striker even with the the fights that we see that he was really good at it was just because he could he put a good Pace on all these guys right and he dictated the pace with you know RDA and uh Robbie Lawler all these guys but none of those guys really had that type of cardio when we saw him against Usman Usman showed you all right he could keep up that pace with Kobe and then Kobe can't take him down so ended up being like a a kickboxing match for Lon he knew if he dictated the pace with Kobe Kobe wasn't going to be able to do anything to him and I don't think the time off I think hurt Kobe's distance management cuz his shot takedowns were were terrible in that fight like he didn't he wasn't managing he was the truth though I think the foot had a big factor because I think he broke his foot I think Leon checked the kick real early on or he kicked low and hit the shin and broke his foot hit the knee something I don't I don't remember exactly what happened but apparently in the first round he broke his foot that you know if you can't move against Leon you're in real trouble yeah I mean especially because Leon's so good at his lateral movement K hurt so hard yeah so for me I was like I can't be in kicking range at all I think I felt like one one body kick early and I was like all right let me step forward on it so even with my mindset the whole Camp I probably took two to three thousand body kicks and then move forward on each of them and if I backed up at all my coach is yelling at me look what you did here you did this wrong move forward move forward can't take one step back so I like I was writing it down I was putting it in my head do not take a step back do not take a step back and then it just came out in the fight it came out perfect it was a master plan it really was watching you execute it I was I was just so I was so shocked first of all his inability to deal with you on the feet because even if it was just a kickboxing match you you were you were there was so much pressure and so much volume of strikes you were constantly on them your boxing was so on point man it would look better than it's ever looked yeah I think people just underestimate me when they look at me because they oh he doesn't have a bunch of Knockouts but when you look at my fights and you see the way I pieced up a lot of these you know big names like Gilbert and uh Sean Brady I beat them both on the feet and for for the Leon fight my gym is small but we have I work with I think who's the best striker in the UFC right now he's a 55 ignasio Bal mandz like this kid is a monster he probably has like monster you saw yeah his spinning Hill kick knockout I'm like I'm sparring with this dude every single day so I'm like nothing that Leon was going to throw at me was going to surprise me nothing was going to make me uncomfortable and for me if you're beating me up I want I want to keep going to you so for nacho I'm like bro throw the the kitchen sink at me I want to I want you to throw everything you have in your tool bag at me so if whatever Leon throws I'm just going to be comfortable in that fire yeah so for me it was just non-stop non-stop sparring sparring sparring even if it's not hard sparring light sparring just enough to see everything and had my reaction time and I think that helps a lot with uh the way I've been fighting lately how much time did you have to prepare for Leon I had about uh eight weeks did they did you kind of have an inkling that it was going to happen before that like had you been preparing mentally before that thinking that was the hardest part right the the leadup because it was after beating Gilbert they were like you're guaranteed next and then you're like when is it happening they're like well Kobe has to fight first so then I'm sitting there and playing the waiting game and then they offered me Usman they're like well you know if you don't want to wait we can give you Usman so we were had talks with Usman and then Usman ended up fighting Hamza on short notice so then I was like all right well there's nothing else they can put in front of me it's going to be me against the winner of Kobe and Leon then that fight happens and then Leon's trying to brush it off like no there's still other guys I could look at and see who's next and he even brought up Gilbert Burns and I'm like bro I just beat Gilbert Burns so I'm sitting there you know in limbo like what's happening I'm calling my manager every day and Ali's my manager and he's like BR trust me Dana is not going to go against his word he's going to give you the shot he's going to give you the shot then all of a sudden 300 comes up and I'm like oh so we're probably going to be 300 and then they say oh they offered to fight to three other guys and I was one of those guys so then like I'm sitting there like bro wait no way am I about to get screwed right now are they gonna give it to somebody else did you ask like why didn't I get the fight at 300 if they were trying to get Leon to fight at 300 why didn't you get that title shot for me it was just I put it out there I said if they really wanted Leon to fight there they would have put me on there because I said yes you know they asked they said they asked Islam they said they asked shaa they said they asked uh Hamza and they all said no cuz of Ramadan but I fought multiple times during Ramadan so for me I'm like if they really wanted Leon they could have had him with me but I think they just wanted to had that shock factor with 300 where it's like oh double champ status for Islam or ham obviously a huge star he comes back down so I think they just wanted that Leon's not a promoter he doesn't really promote his fights in general obviously he's a great fighter but for 300 I think they want somebody that's going to try to push the event yeah but still yeah the rules of the rules you know a guy makes it to the top of the Heap he's supposed to be next in line for a title shot yeah I mean for me I'm like what else do I got to do all the purists felt that way I didn't see anybody who's like a real solid MMA fan who found that was a lot of the casuals a lot of the casuals jumping in with their goofy opinions on things but that's that's the that's the age we live in right the troll age nobody has a profile picture they just say the this stuff well not only that you have a dispropor look the reality of the numbers is I had a joke in my act that 10 90% of all Twitter is done by 10% of the people and those people are 100% [ __ ] but it really almost is that that's I mean it's a joke but it's kind of almost true because are you commenting on [ __ ] all the time do you go to someone's YouTube videos and talk [ __ ] you you're busy you're busy being the [ __ ] welterweight champion of the world you ain't got enough time for that so the people that have time to be doing that all the time are unfortunately generally not doing that good they're they're not the Michael Jordan's not leaving YouTube comments you know what I'm saying it's like the people that are engaged in these attacks on specific fighters in particular they're usually just dorks and I get it that these dorks buy pay-per-view and I get it these dorks but they're not most people most people want to see the best people fight the best people and would it be exciting to see Islam go up and try to win at 170 [ __ ] yeah it would be I'd be all in for that fight unfortunately for you I mean it sounds great but if I was running things I'd be like the guy the fights are going to be [ __ ] great anyway it's UFC 300 everyone's going to be super hyped up there's so much on the line it's a crazy [ __ ] card that's a great fight it's a great fight yeah and it's two guys that are on 10 fight winning streaks yeah so I mean but how weird was it to have to do the fight at like 5: in the morning oh my God explain so let's explain that to people who don't know the UFC that was done in England was done on American pay-per-view time so the card had to start what did it start like 1:00 a.m. yeah it started yeah the first fight was 1 first fight of the night 1 a.m. undercard UFC Fight Pass first fight of the night that's crazy that's so crazy as if we can't watch it earlier in the day as if UFC fans on a [ __ ] Saturday are going to say oh the pay-per-view starts at at noon okay we watch football games at noon we would watch World title fights at noon making you guys fight at 5: in the morning to me was bananas I was like that is so contrary to anything you would want from Optimum physical performance yeah it was wild like we got down there the week before on Saturday and you know we're trying we found a gym so we're like let's start trying to work out at 4:00 a.m. because being the main event they said it'll probably be on around like 5: 5:30 so the hardest part was just trying to stay up from Midnight to 4:00 a.m. to go drive to this gym and you know we had like a big house so we had a bunch of people with us but one person yawns and it's like addictive and it's like bro it's midnight we're all just like watching Netflix and then we like we didn't have no games or anything so we're just like trying to watch movies wow and then one guy yawns you're like I'm G to go upstairs by myself for a second and then just like they uh the pi is really good cuz they gave us like some uh jet leg glasses that shine light in your eyes that you're supposed to turn on at um right when the start Sunset because when the sun sets you start getting melatonin uh in your body and makes you want to go to sleep so they like put this on when the sun sets so it like shocks your body make you think it's about to be sunlight really yeah oh wow so I'm walking around the house with like these glasses that are like Shining Light in my eyes and it still was hard we would we would still we like [ __ ] you [ __ ] it's 3: in the morning we we went to go work out so I'm trying get everybody to work out with me so like we had maybe us five or six guys with us and then the gym was at 30 minutes away so by the time we finished working out at night it was starting the sun was Rising because it was like 7 a.m. and I'm like how am I about to fall asleep right now so I would like take melatonin fight week and then it would make wake me up at like 2 pm and I would still be like groggy the rest of the day and then you have to do like interviews and stuff like that it was it was hard so did you try to stay on Chicago time the whole the whole thing I tried but it was it was still hard just because like I said that that time in between where that board time right where we're like all right we got to work out at 4:00 a.m. and then you know during the day we had interviews and stuff starting at 300 p.m. they they adjusted those times so then we would finish everything it would be like 7 p.m. how have they done London cards in the past did they do that in the past they've done it once with I think it was bising against hendo twice uh uh hendo 2 the second one yeah the second one but other than that they would just do it in uh American time zone would be like daytime here that's so crazy but I think pay-per-view wise they they expect more people to buy pay-per-views in prime time like night 900 p.m. probably yeah yeah I guess but when they go to Abu Dhabi we still fight Abu Dhabi time night time yeah and then over here it's daytime yeah but I wonder if they see like a change of numbers with that and that made them adjust they probably do but whatever yeah that's my feeling it's whatever like we you can't have people fight at 5: in the morning that's nonsense you can't have an audience there at 5:00 in the morning [ __ ] exhausted for a world title fight exhausted can't believe you're still awake for me I was like I hope they are exhausted cuz I'm like they're probably be booing me anyway so I'm like let's let them get drunk starting at midnight let them be dead tired once it gets to that level how many people were asleep in the audience people started leaving early there it was like the fourth round and I think I got the the last Tak down and I was like finishing on top of him it said people were leaving wow and I was like that's that's a good sign so that just tells me that they know that there's nothing else he could really do um he h one big moment in the last round right when he got on top yeah I still got it right here and it's just like I just keep shaking my head every time I think of it but it just tells me that I still have stuff to fix still have stuff to to work on uh and you can never get like too comfortable especially with him but yeah my coach just my coach is the type that'll like tell me everything I did wrong after a fight instead of the stuff I did right so right away something now look at your face now look at you like you did that cuz you took your foot off the gas for one second and something could happen who knows if there's a minute left what what could have happened or blah blah blah and I'm like I won coach I'm the world champion chill out but he wants you to be perfect yeah that was uh it was interesting because it was you could see him uh using energy management you know you could see him trying to figure out when to just defend and when to try to break free and you know when to when to plan himself and fire shots and when to just stay stay on the back foot and keep moving like he tried to hold you off a few times but I think whatever you were doing for strength and conditioning your your cardio was insane because the volume just the the sheer volume and pressure that you were putting on him and the fact you keep that up solid five rounds yeah that was insane yeah I think every Fighter's fear is to get tired in the cage every Fighter's fear is to be in there and not be able to lift up your arms and you see happened with a lot of guys big name guys where you'll see them give up a choke and it'll be like he just lift up his neck maybe he was too tired no he just wanted to get out of there for me I have no fear and I know that I could go harder than any of these guys and if I'm tired I know he's going to be twice as tired but I think a lot of it like you said is just you know the team I have around me I I do strength and conditioning with my boy Matt Murphy but it's not anything outrageous right we're not doing that the crazy new stuff that's coming out we do heavy weights and and we do all like the the big muscles like chest uh lower back and squats but we put all this other stuff around it like the Cosmetic stuff too uh and we're lifting three days a week what do you mean by cosmetic stuff like say if I I go heavy on my Squat and then we'll still end up doing like low lower back uh chest and like Dumbo was chest and everything on that day but like on a heavy chest day we're going like uh legs lunges like lesser weight so we go heavy with like squats chest and lifts one day a week for each of those and then on we still do full body stuff that same day but just like lower the weights and higher reps so you're essentially doing almost like you're doing like powerlifter work yeah you're doing bench press like just power generating stuff yeah are you doing any Plyometrics or any of that kind of stuff I mean I do a lot of uh swimming for my for like cardio wise and then people make it front me a lot so hard uh swimming is [ __ ] hard don't know how to yeah people when they when I take them to pool like when I take a brand new fighter to the pool and if they never swam before they get so tired and I tell them bro it's a full body workout it's everything you need especially For Fighting it's like one of the hardest things you could do especially if you're like built like you cuz you probably sink like a rock so it's hard to stay above water yeah like fat people they say swimm is not hard right because you got a floaty on you're literally swimming around with a floaty you could float yeah dense dudes just go right under you got to struggle to stay above water and I don't have like the best technique to do so I still like go there and like I'm going to go a mile and then I'll go and I'll take a little break go take a little break and like you said you see like that fat person just going nonstop and you're looking at them like bro I just want to like slap them what am I doing wrong they're cheating yeah they're cheating they got a human floaty on but is it's a hard I remember morce Smith was the first guy that started using swimming for MMA you know morce Smith was training with Frank Shamrock when Frank Shamar was just a cardio machine Frank I think Frank Shamar was the first guy in the UFC that had like a full complete arsenal of MMA weapons he could stand he could take guys down he could strangle you he could armar you he could do everything he could submit you off his back and Frank was just a cardio machine and when Maurice went from kickboxing and got into MMA he was doing a lot of training with Frank and they were real morce was super cardio focused yeah so that's like when he beat Mark Coleman right he beat Mark Coleman because Mark Coleman got tired yeah and then morrice defended off of his and that's the old days bro when they had headbutt that was the headbutt days you know that's crazy and Mory started tuning them up on the feet once more he's got up to his feet he was just leg kicking the [ __ ] out of him and he was talking to him saying come on Mark grab me and pound me I thought you were going to gra me and pound me whack whack like he didn't take any crazy chances and you know so he didn't get taken down at the end but he won the heavyweight title it's funny how you say the headbutt days I was I did an interview yesterday with the Chicago news and then the lady's like she had no idea who I was I'm like you didn't do no research cuz she's like you're the champion of Street Fighting right oh boy and I'm like imagine that you you're literally the world champion and this person hasn't even done five minutes of research in the sport you do I was I was wild and I was like people still think that you should have just start making [ __ ] up yeah we madean in Alleyways you know it's not even you got to get it on the dark web I fight with a roll of nickels in my hand I don't give a [ __ ] I didn't realize there's still people out here that have that mindset like well this people in the news that aren't even humans they're just robots they're like media robots all they want to do is be on TV they have no opinions no personality oh I hear you're the champion of Street Fighting I'm looking at the telepro I'm like I feel like that's all they do just read the teleprompter that's such that's so disrespectful to someone who has risen to the top of the greatest organization ever for Combat Sports we all know that look I'm a huge boxing fan boxing's amazing I love boxing but we all know if Francis andano and Tyson Fury had a fight fight that [ __ ] would not last one round did not a chance in hell if they had a fight fight a real fight like an MMA fight boxing is a sport MMA is the sport of fighting it's the hardest [ __ ] thing to do for an athlete the hardest thing to do is what you did become the champion of the world in a tank filled with shark it's not saying that it's not if you were 170lb boxer it'd be just as difficult I'm not saying boxing's not hard do I'm not saying it's it's hard as [ __ ] to be a Ryan Garcia hard as [ __ ] to be a Javonte Davis just the same mentality they have they would have been world champions in MMA but MMA is harder it's harder it's and it's more effective it's the real sport of fighting so for you to reach the Pinnacle in the greatest combat sport ever and this lady to go you're the champion of street fighting and you're on [ __ ] TV that's so cra why can't they bring it in expert there's so many people who could have interviewed you I was I was like yeah don't you guys have a sports cter or somebody that's going to interview me call in Ariel helwani call call in somebody there's somebody out there that can do this this is crazy or do one little second of research oh the UFC yeah but even then they're going to be asking you stupid ass questions you should have someone who knows what the [ __ ] they're talking about like they have to have a sports guy if don't they have a sports guy the sports guys got to know they did and that's what I was like why are am I getting with these two and she was like so you do boxing then too and I'm like well boxing is a part of it martial art lot of thumb wrestling that's a real important part of my game I added we do power slap yeah I'm the champion of that and it's I have the most powder on my hand when I slap the the the whole it's just it's just disrespectful you know it's just a bummer that people don't get it yet yeah it's like so many people way more people get it now than never got it before you know when I first started doing commentary for the UFC was in '9 7 when I first started doing backstage interviews and people were acting like I was doing porn they were like what are you doing like why are you doing that are you crazy I go I love it it's great what what the [ __ ] are you talking about yeah it was like being involved in that was bad for your career that's wild yeah Dana and I have talked about it so many times like people would tell people that he bought the UFC and they be like what the [ __ ] are you doing like God that's terrible meanwhile everybody watches it now yeah it's it's gonna be up there bigger than I think all the other sports it'll be bigger than everything but football in America you're never going to beat football you can't beat football yeah you're seeing this next younger generation it's just wild how they're coming up like kids are starting my boy nacho nasio his his brother's 15 years old and he's already five and0 Pro I'm like I'm like bro you starting this young 15 yeah and you're a pro I'm like that's wild I fighting pro at 15 is nuts that's nuts you're fighting Pro men at 15 yeah his next fight is for a title it's like a 30-year-old and I'm like oh my God that's so where's this happening it's in uh Columbia yeah that's what I'm thinking yeah then you go wild down there boy they don't have any [ __ ] rules that's funny you can fight a 15 but imagine when he gets to his 20s The Experience he's going to have oh yeah and then if one of these younger guys now that only fought locally in Chicago or something they they see him he's going to look at them like okay let me show you what I do do you think there's something to be said for not jumping in too quick because I think I feel like there's some Fighters that they just got rushed and they weren't really prepared for an elite fighter and they got tuned up and they were kind of never the same again I think there's been a few guys like that that I think had real potential but someone rushed them into a top 10 situation way too quick yeah 100% I think Darren t is probably like the the biggest one I think of when I think of that when they Rush him to the title fight it's hard to say though because Darren till when he kn out Cowboy see people have two Darren tills in their head they have Darren till with knee injuries older later in his career and you have Darren till when he's 170 yeah Darren till when he could make 170 and dude he was dangerous when he [ __ ] up Cowboy I was like Jesus Christ this guy's [ __ ] terrifying he was ferocious but he didn't keep that for whatever reason you know he didn't keep that level of success he didn't he had mad potential so I'm not sure if he got rushed or if he just got injured or if it was just the grappling game he was too late taking in the grappling game I think there's just a lot of guys that don't know how to take a loss I think that once they you know he was undefeated then you get your first loss and you go back to the gym your confidence deflated you look at people look at you differently like you don't have that same you know mentality I'm I'm the biggest one in the room and then Tyron Woodley he fought Tyron when Tyron is in his prime that was Prime Time Tyron Woodley and Tyron Woodley [ __ ] him up but Tyron Woodley in his [ __ ] everybody up everybody just thinks about that Jake Paul fight get that out of your head that's an older athlete at the end of his run doing something only really mostly for money Usman said it yesterday he said like people are so quick to forget right of the stuff you did when you great and when you're at the top and especially guys like Woodley where he was he was one of the best to to ever do it one of the best then later you start losing a couple and then it just tarnishes everything I'm like bro go back to the knockout of Robbie L that was crazy like the way he did and Robbie was the the man at that time I think one of his most impressive performances two of his most impressive performances are performances that weren't even that exciting and that's the Wonderboy fights because he fought the perfect fight with Wonderboy he never LED never LED he's like let's make it boring I don't give a [ __ ] but then when they had exchanges Tyron hurt Wonderboy Wonderboy never hurt Tyron Wonderboy is a 57 and0 kickboxer one of the greatest Strikers the UFC's ever seen but he was so worried about those takedowns that he didn't really commit either and then when and he was always worried about the Tak down which of course you know opens up punches and Tyron could [ __ ] crack Tyron could crack back in that when he knocked out Lawler with one punch like oh [ __ ] Tyron could crack people forget yeah when I fought Wonderboy that was like the one of the fights I watched and then I was that was one of the fights I'm most afraid of because you're looking at him against Woodley him against Johnny Hendrick and none of these guys could take him down and then Anthony Pettis told me like bro I was like I bring in somebody for him he's like nah cuz nobody ever nobody moves like him and he kicks hurt harder than anybody else I brought in cuz he brought in like Sage North cut and those guys to be like him and Mike biggy roads and he's like bro Wonder Boy is just different so he said I would just try to wrestle and I was like all right let's let's go and then I was like let me get ahead of him right away and grab a hold of him and not pull back at all so the problem with Wonder Boy he can do some [ __ ] that other people can't do and one of them is that lead leg that lead leg's a real problem cuz he's got the best front leg side kick in the business and he also throws that round kick off the front leg over your shoulder and you don't his first knockout in the UFC he throws that [ __ ] over the shoulder you don't see it until it's up there and you're like oh [ __ ] it's too late yeah and heges his his stuff so beautifully but he disgu it with his personality cuz before the fight hey what's up bro how you doing and then I'm like bro I know you're going to try to kill me tomorrow man like but he's genuinely sweet he's not putting like some guys will do that just to try to throw you off but that literally really is Wonderboy he's a sweetheart of a guy happens to be a killer you know and I feel like Wonderboy man he's one of those guy like he uh I feel like if he had gotten into MMA earlier and really learned grappling earlier with that kickbox like maybe if he hadn't had 50 kickboxing fights but only had like he was a elite at you know 20 fights in I'm sure 30 fights yeah and got and really gotten into MMA when he was a younger man cuz the thing about fight like he's 40 now or 41 right the thing about fighting is if you're not cheating and you know you're getting into your 40s like there's no way there's no way you're the same guy you were when you were 25 it's not possible yeah so if you don't have the same body to work with it doesn't matter how good the mind is it doesn't matter how good we've all seen it from the great Champs they just hung around too long and the body just doesn't perform anymore and they know what to do but the body can't do it yeah and everything just slows down the reflexes even your mindset right because you don't want to it's the hardest thing to train for you have to fight every day in the practice room to train for a fight so these guys who've been doing it for so long you're burnt out so if like you get to your 40s and you got a family and stuff you're like do I want to train two to three times a day do I want to go to the gym right now and wrestle yeah like I think that's one of the keys that my coach is very good at he like tells all of his guys like we're wrestling three times a week you're if you're not at wrestling practice then you're not going to be at sparring practice like all because a lot of our guys are really great Strikers nachos been striking with him since he was 16 years old and he told him like I don't care if you hate this right now you you don't know how to wrestle you're going to lose you could be the be the best striker in the world but all the Champions know how to wrestle that's a solid coach right there because every guy needs to learn that because there's so many dudes who don't want to roll because they don't want to get tapped out but they're Elite kickboxers there was a bunch of those guys in the early days of the UFC just didn't quite pick that part up and never excelled yeah I see that a lot with guys like I said that don't want to get beat up they practice and they don't want to get em that's when the eagle comes in right like I'm a UFC fighter I shouldn't be losing to joeo at a jiujitsu class so there's like avoid those guys but yeah I don't think Wonderboy ever avoided anybody like that I just think he was late to the game you know and he was training a lot with Weidman who's an awesome wrestler but like he got his first loss in the UFC I think was Mike Brown yeah and Mike Brown just mauled him just mauled him that was Mike Brown in his prime who was a scary [ __ ] D played no games he played no games tried to kill you I would wish that I would never get that call to like hey do you want to fight M Mike Brown and I was like man I'm like bro no my brother's like call him out and I'm like bro I'm not gonna call Matt Brown my brother's always decided to be like you could be anybody and I was like no I'll call if they call me for Matt Brown I'll do it but I'm not going to call him out though yeah you don't want to get him motivated yeah he's the boogeyman I feel like there's some dudes that for whatever reason with Matt Brown you know he died you know he he had overdosed and he had like a serious drug problem there I I think there's guys who see the other side and they come back and they just have a different mentality you know they almost lost their life to some really stupid [ __ ] and they have like a a grip on life that's a little bit different and a drive that's a little different there's been a few guys that I know that were like real heavy drug addicts and got off the drugs and just became performance freaks just endurance freaks just animals and like so disciplined you're like wow how is it that this guy used to be a drug addict a junkie and now this guy's weighing his food and you know and drinking electrolyte filled water and [ __ ] showing up before anybody and yeah putting in those rounds on the air dime machine after practice like God damn I lived with uh Jared Gordon for uh three years together he's like my best friend and same situation he would say I'm going to go for a jog and I was like all right cool and he'll be like come back like three hours later I like what you do I just ran 20 miles and I'm like you said you're going for a jog that's not a jog it's like a marathon like yeah and he would just do that out of nowhere like you said they just had that crazy cardio endurance and they'll just go nonstop and I think it's that type of mindset right it just gets your mind off all their stuff they they're a little extra spooky there's a little extra spooky those former junkies I don't know why man they're like not playing any [ __ ] games you know guys that have almost died they are not playing any [ __ ] games with you yeah it's interesting cuz like there's there's different things that make a great fighter there's a lot of stuff there's genetics there's gifts some people just have that touch of death you know they just have that one shot KO power some guys just are born with crazy like Cain Velasquez they said just has genetic cardio they said that [ __ ] could take months off the gym come in and just smother everybody and nobody could deal with them they said it was crazy like nobody had ever seen anything like it like I think Kane for sure was an elite fighter because of his mind his discipline his drive his determination his skill set I mean he was a I think in his prime there's the argument of who's the best heavyweight of all time and I always throw Kane in there I think Prime Time Kane was he was a tornado he was a tornado you you couldn't understand how a heavyweight could be throwing so many punches he never stopped and he could take you down and if you took him down he didn't give a [ __ ] you get right back up with like with Brock Lesnar yeah bro he was a tornado in that cage and I I I was able to go down to AKA and get some work in uh with the guys on there and Kane was there wow yeah it was just I was so intimidated like he's a killer and he's like the nicest guy in the world but seeing how athletic he was he was like doing cartwheels in the gym and just like seeing how he moves I'm like now I could understand why he was such a great heavyweight and such a killer he was the perfect model heavyweight in his prime you know like 240 not too big so he has insane cardio you're never going to see a guy like Francis that has the kind of cardio that Kane has I don't think it's possible I think you'd get a tra with Francis you get the touch of death you get that one shot everybody's like oh [ __ ] like the alist overing fight God damn like he has that crazy crazy power but I don't think you get that power with that endurance it doesn't I've never seen anybody that has that kind of power that also like Conor even yeah amazing power but he doesn't have the kind of endurance that some of these guys that have less power do yeah I'm interested to see how Aspen is past the first round right cuz we've seen him he looks so fast he looks you're like nobody moves like him he looks like a younger Kan right but he just keeps knocking these guys out so quick so I'm like let me see him pass the first round to see if he has that cardio as well it's a bit of a problem for him right because he has not been tested in that way and you know you're getting up to Elite status where you're you're calling out Jon Jones yeah right who's that's the boogeyman like John Jones is the [ __ ] Boogeyman and maybe he hasn't died but he's probably come he's probably knocked on the door a couple of times like what's going on death you in there you know Jon Jones has had some trials and tribulations but the skill set and the the ability to push deep into rounds is nuts like John fought when he fought gustofson he had almost no training camp they said he barely showed up like you know I talked to Jackson about it and Greg Jackson was tell he's like he didn't even train for that fight wow he didn't even train and then he pulled that fight off in the fourth and fifth rounds that's when he like really turned it up so he talking about a guy who hasn't even been training and then you saw the real Jon Jones in the second fight that's motivated Jon Jones who's like I'm going to show you what the [ __ ] is really up and then he just beats a [ __ ] out of Gust in the second fight and I wonder if it's going to get him to that point all this talking from Aspen it get him motivated right or is it gonna be a point like let me be done with STP and be done with it but I don't want to heavyweight motivated Jon Jones if I'm on the other side like yeah the way he just pulled Gan down so easily and choked him out I was like bro yeah and then Gan looks good as last two fights G is like one of the most exciting guys on the feet he's so ath and that style he's got a weird front kick too you ever notice his front kick like a twisting front kick off the front leg Yeah kick but it's it's weird because he turns it and snaps it up so he Jabs you with the toes there's a kick in tawon do that's kind of a goofy kick it's called a twisting kick and you kind of do it to the face and it's like you you swing your leg up and kick like this it's like this yeah but that's what he's doing in a sideways stance he's just doing it to the body he's like got a twisting front kick nobody nobody kicks like him and he he Bambam with that right BR he [ __ ] bamb bam up that was that was like serial Gan at his very best A guy like Bam Bam who just comes forward and takes a hell of a shot he's not scared to take one to give one and I mean Tui Vasa is one of the most exciting guys of all time right yeah and it's crazy how but that style with Gan gan's this Elite Striker incredible lateral movement you know counter punching the ability to move out of range and dive right back in real quick yeah and but Aspen is like we've only seen him smash we've only seen we' never seen him be the nail at nobody ever right and I thought pavlovich was going to be the one that's like all right it's going to be a banger and he just puts him to sleep and he took pavlovic's fight with a [ __ ] up rib he couldn't even wrestle yeah sure notice right mean imagine you going up against pavich you know the only guys who's ever beat him was over and over took him down beat him up on the ground and you're like I got to get this guy down this guy's knocking everybody dead and he knocks him outstanding he's so fast for a heavyweight but again you you're saying the right thing like what is it like in the fifth round with Jon Jones because if you can't steamroll Jon Jones and he starts sidekicking your [ __ ] KNE caps you know there's nobody better with distance than John the best nobody comose that too you I know you've experienced that man yeah how many eye surgers have you had to have I've had I've had three wow yeah they holy [ __ ] they're literally the hardest thing in the world the most depressing thing in the world yeah I don't think uh did you have one after the Leon fight or before I had one after that as well like even in my uh my fight in uh when I fought luk after the third round uh I went back to my corner and I was like there's something in my eye and like I couldn't see out of my eye and I'm like trying to Blink it out and then uh the cut man Tate he's like bro ain't nothing wrong with your eye stop touching your eye so then I was like all right well whatever so I go back in there the fourth and fifth round and I just can't manage distance I'm like just shooting in and then I was like man there's still something wrong with my eye and then I ended up going to the the doctor like 2 days later cuz I I thought it was just a scratched corne or something but it ended up being like a detached lens oh Jesus CHR the whole lens they had to like take out and then like sew back in yeah and it was my eye was like super bloodshot red for like two weeks and then I ended up doing like a weigh-in show with the UFC I her pay-per-view and everybody's like posting pictures of me like oh look at somebody farted on his pillow because he has like a red eye and they're like making in front of me and I was just like I'm like crying myself in my room like I don't got pink eye it's surgery how long did it take to recover from that that one is wasn't as long that one was uh it the blood was still in there for probably like a month the the the test Rena was the hardest one that one is like eight weeks of not doing absolutely nothing and I have to be like this my head sideways for a full eight weeks really yeah and they have like a bubble in your eye the whole time and then even when I'm watching TV I have to like put my head in a massage chair oh wowow there's like a mirror at the top so I I aim the mirror at the TV and I can't do nothing wow but like keep my head down or sideways and how long did you have to stay like that for it was like eight weeks whoa so you're lying did you go to sleep in a massage chair yeah I had to sleep the I had to sleep with the my face down in that massage T the whole time wow yeah it was that was the the hardest thing how hard is it to sleep like that and I'm a back sleeper too so like I hate sleeping on my FR on my stomach so it was like the the worst two months of my life and then you're like you don't know if you're going to be able to train after that and fight after that cuz the doctor's looking at me like I'm stupid I'm telling them I'm going back to the gym and yeah it was rough doctors always want you to stop doing what you're doing yeah how'd you hurt your shoulder you should to oh you need to quit that that's what they always say yeah oh you need surgery and I just like there's no form of rehab or like exercises I could do and they love to give you surgery right away but even with the eye I like I'm so afraid to even go to the in general so like I was avoiding it at all cost so I would like see like a little uh black dot inside of my eye and I'm still training I'm like whatever and then I was supposed to go with Jared to Brazil when he fought uh Charles ala and I had my ticket booked and everything and then like the the week before I'm sparring with him and then all of a sudden that black dot turned into like a black sheet and it just went full black and I'm just like oh no I think I should go to the doctor now and then they were like you got to go under the knife right away so this like I had to get surgery right there yeah I had a friend of mine who had a detached retina and he didn't go in quick enough and he lost most of his vision in that eye yeah he had a bunch of surgeries they could never fix it he just he said that whoever told him that it wasn't a detached retina [ __ ] him because if he had known right away when he went in to check it that it was a detached retina he would have been able to immediately get surgery and they would have saved it wow yeah that's the hard part cuz you always think about Michael bisbing you're looking at like exactly I don't want to be that guy exactly and I was like how gangster is that [ __ ] that dude fought 10 times in the UFC with one eyeball that's wild you couldn't see he memorized the [ __ ] ey chart yeah I literally had uh I had moments where I'm looking at myself like am I gonna have to do that am I gonna have to figure out something to do to do this yeah well how about um [ __ ] what's his face the uh the pirate Oh sha bullet yeah sh bullet yeah that's crazy that guy's crazy he's only got one eye but it's it's wild right cuz I mean he still looks like he sees everything when he's he's fighting right distance Management's incredible yeah it makes you think how good was that [ __ ] with two eyes he could fight that good with one eye I fought in Abu Dhabi my first time there when when khabib fought DUS porier and then he was just like a fan and he came up to me and he said I'm gonna be in the UFC and I I I remember the picture with him because he like tagged me and obviously you can't forget that face right but then when I saw him like undefeated killer I'm like bro dang he wasn't lying he is a beast oh he's a beast yeah him fight before he was ever in the UFC when he was on other organizations and I was like Jesus Christ this guy can kick he kicks like you're thinking he's going to get tired from all that kicking and he does not get tired yeah it's wild the volume of kicks he reminds you a lot of yaer you know Yer is like one of those guys like yo you better stop thinking about kicking with him did you ain't kicking with Yaya Rodriguez you better figure out a way to get past that [ __ ] because that guy kick in a weird way I train with Yer and like even just like light sparring I don't even want to like play with him because he just comes from all different angles but he's so good at like he'll get so close it'll be like right here and he'll just pull it yeah I think that's where I learned uh a lot from him and then just like when you're going with somebody who flows like that and knows how to move like that it makes you more creative too right cuz you're not so tense you're worried about getting knocked out yeah yeah that's the best kind of sparring but it's like with a guy like yeah if you're going to fight a guy like Yer you got to find some Taekwondo champion and bring him in but even then they're not going to know how to punch that good they're not going to know how to wrestle so you're going to be missing part of it because y can submit a lot of people he's [ __ ] Wicked off his back his triangle is fast as [ __ ] people don't know how good he is and even his wrestling is really good yeah but when he puts it all together but I think even when he gets in there it's just like so much right you he puts so much energy into everything yeah that sometimes it leaves openings for guys to like take him down and hold them down and like if I'm a guy fighting him like bro I I don't want to give this guy any distance or any room to do anything yeah that style is just so taxing you got to under for people that don't see the difference there's two things in the Octagon that are like probably the most taxing that you wouldn't really guess the biggest one is the clinch bro you see guys just get drained after the first round in the clinch and they go back to their corner and then everything's coming slower the punches are coming slower the footwork looks slower reaction time is slow they'll take a shot that maybe they could have got away from cuz they just don't want to move yeah I we literally like do this in the gym where it's like all right let's do 20 push-ups and then just hand fight for for three minutes and then we start sparring it's like little stuff like that cuz that's when you get lactic acid in your arms you're tired now let's see you throw punches right right now and it'll stop people from actually like throwing hard at practice it'll make you want to conserve your energy and stuff but yeah that feeling when you're in there and you can't lift up your arms like Dam Maya shot on me like 30 times and it's the third round I was like bro my arms are like that right now so if he does take me down I'm going to be in a bad spot because my arms are so heavy and that guy had that creepy grappling strength where he would get a hold of the guys they'd be like what is happening here like how is this guy so [ __ ] strong especially at 170 bro Damen Ma at 170 was terrifying yeah people keep forgetting man they do keep forgetting he got [ __ ] in the kamaro Usman fight he got [ __ ] he got [ __ ] he got to kamaro's back he had one hook in standing up and they [ __ ] separated them it is one of the greatest tragedies and travesties in the history of the sport that one positional change that is a terrible I don't know what referee it was I don't want to call him out people make mistakes but for Damen mayia he got [ __ ] because he had kamaro's back and kamaro's only loss up to that point was rear naked choke in his first fight yeah and Kamar was nowhere near the grappler in terms of submissions that Damen was that Damen will set traps it will do [ __ ] to you and and he just gets a hold of guy like what he did to Neil Magny like d Daman gets a hold of dudes and you're like what is happening here yeah this is a different kind of squeeze man yeah and he got [ __ ] he got totally [ __ ] but that's crazy right because a lot of the fight world could change could change off of one ref or one judge could change the whole thing care could changed from that fight everything could have changed so let's imagine the judge doesn't do that there is a 30% likelihood Camaro's going to get him to the ground and strangle him no legitimately you're looking at Prime Time Damien Maia in the worst possible position one hook in he's got your back how are you shaking him off yeah you got a 30% chance of shaking him off you're stuck you got a a good chance of holding off until the end of the round if you can't let if you could you might be able to stop him from advancing but it's perilous this is a terrible position you're in Damen m's on your back and the referee's like break it up there's no action here like are you a Champion Street Fighter like it's the same [ __ ] like what are you doing this is the sport the sport is this guy is a professional Strangler and he's finally gotten a hold of this guy a boo the casuals are booing so you're going to separate it this is it's the worst tra for me the biggest travesty I've ever seen in MMA that was number well there's probably been a few if I really had to go over all of them I probably find a few other ones top 10 I mean even Leon against too and Kamar was on top of him and the ref stood them up cuz the crowd was booing right and then he got head kicked right right it's like bro he's on top of him the whole five five rounds but now you want him to stand them up because crowd's booing right now I believe in no standups yeah I know it's boring I don't give a [ __ ] no standups no standups I go a step further no standups and I think the fight should resume exactly what position you were in at the end of the round oh that'll be the game changer that's a real fight though right yeah that's a real fight like how did you get back up to your oh the round ended yeah okay what are we doing we're cheating for the striker cuz that seems like you're kind of cheating for the striker I know everyone's used to doing it this way but if you want to look at it realistically the striker has an advantage for the first few seconds of every fight every fight the fight starts standing so in that perceived that distance where the striker has his Advantage it starts off with the Striker's Advantage so if a Grappler gets you to the ground why do you get that Advantage back in the next round yeah and it's the hardest thing to get somebody down and figure it out so it's like the hardest to get up yeah so if you can never get up that's tough [ __ ] tough [ __ ] five it's on you that's the sport the sport is not boo stand them up just bleed you know here it is look at this let's let's look at this again take take it back from the beginning so Damien gets the clinch right and Camaro's got a overhook on the left arm and he's defending so far so damen's working towards the Tak down Damen sneaks that leg in and now kamaro starts to get in trouble cuz Damen takes that left arm he goes all the way over and cinches the way so now he's he's pretty deep kamaro's the thing that's saving kamaro here is his right arm that whizard on his right arm is the thing that's saving him but he's in danger now he's in much more danger because now Damen has the hook and now daman's pulling that arm over the top of kamaro's wizard so he'll connect his arms if the referee lets him what he wants to do is connect his hands in front of kamaro kamaro does not want that they're they're hand fighting right here but this is a dangerous for kamaro cuz the only thing that's saving him is that whizard without that whizard he's [ __ ] right now and he knows it and he's strong as [ __ ] and he's holding on to that wizard with everything he's got but Damen is just slowly inching and he's putting leverage with his leg he's using that left hook Co yeah and look he's further now he's even further now he can punch him he's even further so he's progressing so he has gotten to a spot where and the referee is telling him I guess he's grabbing gloves he's referee saying just got to grab the wrist and he's close to doing like a twister standing twister he's closer he's even closer now now it's even better now it's even better so now Damen is trying to figure out when he can get his right hook in and what he's doing with his left arm so the wizard is still holding that left arm in place but Daman at one point in time had sort of threatened to creep it up over the top of of kamaro's left shoulder and that's what he wants to do here so he wants to put all this pressure on make Camaro do something to defend all the leverage he's putting on his legs defend these punches he's setting up little traps just trying to open up the space so that he could get that right hook in that left arm over the top so he is on the back now like fully on the back and then the referee stops him wow and this is the first round when they're still dry in bro in [ __ ] sane that this referee did this in [ __ ] sane a travesty an unfair Advantage for kamaro for sure and then kamaro caught him with a left hand or right hand he's catching with Jabs he shouldn't be in this position now kamaro should be still trying to fight out his way out of that clinch and guess what he might not have fought his way out of that clinch he was like six steps to Checkmate you know he was pretty close Six out of 10 he was in you know it's crazy cuz it's the first round so it's like the crowd's booing it's like bro he just got to this spot this early what Damen punched his butt so you're going to give you don't think a butt punch hurts like he's trying to like do something to get kamaro to react he's trying to get movement out of him yeah you want him to make the mistake yeah it's travesty yeah now that I look at that I'm like that's wild travesty now imagine Damen ma submits him the world changes kamaro goes to that next fight now everybody's looking to submit him things change he's not the boogeyman anymore somebody just tapped him maybe his confidence goes down a little bit you know maybe he doesn't get favorable matchup in his next fight maybe he loses again you know Dam goes gets the belt yes Damen gets the belt like things happen man weird things happen weird things happen in the sport you know that's why it's so incredible when someone reaches the title when you actually do it you become uh Islam makev you become Bal Muhammad you get all the way up there and you win the title there's so many hurdles like you've lost fights you the eye poke with Leon was crazy you've had bad moments and to get all past that and get to the title yeah just thinking back to like all your ups and downs just looking at the journey in general and you're like why did this or why did that especially after L I'm a terrible loser so you're like why is this happening to me but then now that I look back at it and thinking about the stuff that I changed and then I started doing this more I started fixing this and now it just like made me the fighter I am today and it's like I'm glad those Downs happen because now the UPS feel so good and like nobody could take that away right like the the mountain I climbed was way higher than anybody else climbed it was a lot harder than anybody else climbed there's a lot to that yeah there's a lot to that there's a lot to that because the guys that come up real fast and like super talented and just [ __ ] everybody up and they never get tested like it's I think for some of those guys it's harder to maintain that motivation because you don't know the Downs yeah you know like they just they have a belief in themselves like you know BJ pen is a good example that in my opinion I I I always put BJ in the category of one of the greatest of all time I always say you got to look at BJ in his prime you have to look at BJ when he was beating Shan Sherk BJ when he beat Joe daddy Stevenson BJ was a monster man just a monster he had crazy flexibility unbelievable balance you could try to take him down he would hop around on one leg like he had two it was nuts man but BJ was so [ __ ] talented that I think BJ didn't really like to work that hard you know he didn't really get up for it as much as like some of the other guys that weren't as talented and when BJ did was in his prime that's when he was training with the marinovich that's when he was doing those crazy plyometric workouts and because he had this insane gas tank with all the talent of a BJ pen yeah and like you said people forget how good he was these this new age fans they never seen him before they never saw him fight they forget they F losing streak like tyon Woodley the same kind of thing you think about them only when they're at the end of their career you don't think about how good they were nobody can maintain that forever it's not possible it's not possible khabib said it from the beginning right he said you're always going to lose there's there's a time for your thing he said it about kamaro he said about Tony Ferguson said these guys they're going to learn the hard way and for me he said if I stayed in I'd probably end up losing sometime I don't think he would lose but yeah like he's said like you're thing like I could still go with him and I'm looking at this guy like bro you could be the heavyweight champion right now it's like nuts what does he weigh now he's I think he's probably like 200 cuz he he rolls consistently with everybody and he always says I have to jog 30 minutes a day he always on a treadmill at least 30 minutes but just like him and grappling it's wild because I just be like it was when I first got the fight announced from Dana White I was over there in New Jersey training with Islam for for his fight when he was uh fighting porier and then like they announced it and I'm like khabib's like oh come with me over here train and then he just killing me like literally like throwing me around and I'm just like getting murdered and my coach tells me like hey you see Dana White announced you guys the title fight and I'm looking at myself like really all all right what's crazy is he's still in his prime yeah that's what's crazy like he get out 29 and0 in his prime he's like I'm done I made a promise to my mom and do it on top and no injuries Nobody Does that nobody does that only the greats right even I mean GSP did it but but GP came back and he fought when he was older he fought Bisping at 85 you know and GSP his uh you know I mean he had gone through some Wars and at the end that last one he was just like I need some time off you know yeah I think a lot of these Fighters they they need the time off but they don't take it and they rush back after loses and it just adds up you see it with I mean Tony Ferguson prime example I think after that that gate fight that should have been time off that should have been like all right let me take a year off not do nothing but you want to rush back in there and then all of a sudden the losses start adding adding up your your body's taking damage here's another one so let's imagine Tony Ferguson doesn't trip over those wires backstage so he's about to fight khabib for the title in Madison Square Garden he trips over some wires backstage and tears his knee apart just a freak accident yeah just a freak accident that could happen to anybody tears his knee apart has to get knee surgery misses the title fight alquinta steps in has a good fight with him and Tony Ferguson the one guy that we were always like how would Tony do because he in his prime people forget in his prime that [ __ ] was terrifying he had a long ass win streak and [ __ ] everybody up he was cutting people St people he was a beast dude Tony Ferguson was a [ __ ] monster but people forgot they forgot they only see Tony Ferguson now when he get knocked out by Chandler they see Tony Ferguson now when Patty pinbet beats him like you don't understand he's 40 whatever he is years old like he's natural the body just can't do what the Mind wants it to do anymore yeah and you're looking for that one point where at least a coach family or somebody that tells him like ah you're done but you want maybe you want to end on a winning note or you want to just like I think these guys just like it they want to fight and that's all they know yeah it's it's different in different people like some people get out and they go I think I did enough I'm out and they hold to it like khabib or like Andre Ward Andre Ward's another one goes out on top on top gold medalist in the Olympics two Division World Champion like that's it I'm good I think and they offered him when Canelo um fought uh uh kovalev when he knocked out kovalev and won the light heavyweight title they were saying maybe Andre Ward would come back and they were going to throw a lot of money at him and he I think he considered it but I think he said I serve boxing better in the position that I am so here's a guy Olympic gold medalist two Division World Champion speaks perfectly nothing wrong with him at all you know very religious man never swears like I did a podcast with him he got upset that I said the F-word he did like you called me afterward it's like I didn't know you were going to be swearing I was like that's cuz he say he he would want people like from his church to listen yeah so now he can't say yeah don't he's got to say don't listen to that one oh wow Jo's got a potty mouth I thought he's a boxing champ but I was going talk to him like a regular dude but uh he's but he's one of the wise ones that's said that's it you know everybody else comes back man Marvin Haggler he was another one never came back so that's it I'm done yeah but Ward I think even I like said in the commentary the way he breaks stuff down I his new book was was so good just him just like hearing his stories Wild is a crazy story but him and Canelo would have been crazy that would have been crazy yeah I would have loved to see that fight I want to see Canelo and Ben of is like come on Saudi Arabia throw that throw that money throw that money let's see that fight cuz if Crawford if they're not going to have him fight Crawford which I did want to see I did want to see C even though I know it's crazy it's a giant weight jump yeah but benav is not a weight jump that's the right weight and that guy's a killer and it makes the most sense it makes the most sense but and canelo's like give me $200 million and I can see them just offer it let me just go on my bank account I'll just give you that check real quick Saudi Arabia got I I hope they I hope that benovitz and him do fight and I hope it's at 168 because I think that's like benz's best Division I mean he only fought he fought that last fight at 75 against a good guy yeah and he won the fight but he didn't look like the same guy that he looks like at 68 I I don't think that power carries quite as much with those bigger guys it's a little bit of a step it's a step up you know like that that there's very few guys that keep that power as they keep going up and up and up in weight it's just and there's so many weight classes in boxing right so you could be like I said if for Canelo and him it's the fight that makes sense so for him he's like I need to find the biggest fight and it's all right let me move up a couple more pounds here and then you think it's not a big jump but those pounds make a difference it makes a difference but for Crawford I think he just wants the big money fight like what is the big money funny canelo's the big money fight C you know Crawford is one of the best ever he's 36 he's like maybe is you know let me get one big money fight and get the [ __ ] out of here yeah but he's got boots Andis you know knocking on his door too which is another amazing fight but super dangerous you know like just like benovitz is dangerous boots tenis is very [ __ ] dangerous very dangerous and there's always somebody coming right right behind you and these guys who've been at the top so long you're like all right let me get somebody that's On My Level Canelo he's been in the game just as long as me and all right let's just do this for this paycheck and then move on I think when they get to a certain level and they realize they only have a few fights left they want the big money fights and Canelo is obviously the biggest money fight even though boot tenis is a great fighter most people don't know who he is yet yeah and with Canelo everybody knows who Canelo is if you get the Canelo fight that's red pantties night yeah you know like you're in let's go that's I mean that's the Jon Jones effect with st right not a lot of people know where Aspen is yet I mean the real fans know him but it's like everybody knows Stipe right everybody knows he was one of the greatest heavy ways to ever do it it's a great thing if can beat him on on his resume you know it's a one more Notch that John beat the most accomplished heavyweight of all time but here's the thing everybody's sleeping on Stipe here's the thing about heavyweights heavyweights mature later and they they get they get compromised later too like heavyweights can f like George Foreman won the heavyweight title at 45 years old there a and that was in the natural days I think there's maybe not natural I mean I what George is doing but I was thinking of Vander holy like maybe there's something going on but my point is that like heavyweight Fighters I think because there it's there's not as much movement it's it's a different thing the body matures it takes longer they're they're just bigger human beings I could see a guy that's in his 40s still fighting Elite and we haven't seen steepe since he got knocked out so we saw that fight against Francis where Francis just looked Unstoppable Fran just knocks him out we haven't seen St Bay in years now like how when was the last time St Bay fought I remember it was at the Apex and it was in the middle of the pandemic because there was no crowd yeah which was crazy to see a heavyweight title fight with no crowd it was nuts yeah that the pandemic days were were wild wild everybody's wearing a mask hanging over their nose it's all so stupid Francis right yes yeah so March 27th 2021 2021 dude 2021 and we're getting real close to 2025 so 2025 if this fight happens in November 2025 is just a [ __ ] month away that's a long ass time but it's also a long ass time with no head injuries it's a long ass time without getting you know two or three fight serial gone fight another fight this fight that fight it's a long time without getting beat up you know if he comes as a different version himself what if he's been working on some stuff and he yes I mean if he knows he's fighting Jon Jones and he probably knew probably for the last year and a half I'm just studying what guy for a year and a half just focus on him changed a lot of stuff and you know he's had time to rest like let the chin recover because that that's a you know I think Daniel Cormier landed the picture perfect right hand when he knocked out St Bay but I also think Steve B was probably beaten up from that Francis fight that Francis fight was not much I mean I don't remember how many months how many months was there between uh Francis St Bay fighting Francis and then step Bay fighting DC 7 months oh that's enough time a year before the previous fight yeah the a year before that's a different thing it's the Francis fight was the damage Francis was in the first round in particular he landed some big shots he was [ __ ] scary as [ __ ] dude so I think he him coming in and fighting Daniel I gotta imagine he took some heavy blows in that fight and you know like even if he didn't lose uh he had to have gotten some damage like he may have been concussed like he got hit hard doubt yeah hard in that fight and then do you go right back in a train like no you should take a long ass time with no contact at all and let everything heal up and he probably didn't get a chance to do that I mean I think that's also volkanovski after Islam yeah I think that was his biggest mistake right huge mistake two mistakes one you don't fight Islam on 10 days notice you just can't that just doesn't make any sense that's crazy he's so hard to beat he's so good he's if he's not the best it's you and him for the best pound-for-pound and you're you're you're going to risk that on 10 days that's crazy and that again changes the course of his career right that's wild right if he doesn't take that fight he says I can't I'm ready for Ilia Toria that guy's coming and he knows how [ __ ] dangerous Ilia is and so he doesn't take that fight and then he goes in fresh against Ilia and you have a much better fight yeah who knows who would have won but you got to think he was compromised from that I mean he got head head kicked yeah head kicked Shin to the dome which is just for sure it's going to Rattle you for a long time when you're when you're just getting put out cold like that and especially he probably cut a lot of weight to get to that point because he looked kind of flabby uh in that Islam fight so you're taking a fight on 10 days notice there's not a lot of guys that are around their their weight class anyway so they're cutting a lot then you have to go all right now I'm going to fight Islam who's number one pound-for-pound and then that head kick Islam looked like Michelangelo sculpted he's so big people he's and he's so strong so good what does he weigh what does he weigh like normal like right now if you called him up what do you weigh brother I would I would say at least minimum like 185 190 the [ __ ] out of here he's 210 lbs no no it's gu 250 lbs his strength feels like 250 lbs that's what I hear but that's the thing with them they're always training no matter what they're doing they always at least run once a day or or grapple so he's losing roughly 30 lbs make 55 from the start I would say yeah he's big that's about as big as you can get and keep doing that that's big yeah and he's tall he's he's lengthy and he has he has power like he could go up to 70 easily I think yeah easily he's got real power now on his feet which is u a a new addition over the last you know x amount of years his standup has gotten Elite like he knocked down Olivera he had Aliva in real trouble the vinoski H kick though and it was also the way he set it up he kept kicking to the body oh my God yeah I think people just assume that all he's going to do is wrestle but then when you see him go in there and out strike somebody strike he even boxed with porier yeah he has some really good hands in there with him yeah and people like oh wait he could strike too but his grappling is just as good he could do everything he's uh he's as good as it gets he's as good as it get he's the most complete fighter on the roster because he submits people like he submitted poier in the final round incredible incredible submission but he was winning that fight already um but then you know he can also knock you out he can he literally does everything he's one of the best wrestlers in the sport his top control and his squeeze is insane yeah like remember when we Tapped Out D do Drew Dober he got a hold of Drew Dober it's like Drew Dober had zero chance of moving he wasn't going anywhere he was just crushed it was like it was it was like he was fighting a man twice his size I was just bringing that up when I talk about uh Dan hooker he just went to war with gamr exactly and Islam just took him down and tapped him out within like the first like two three tapped him out to the point where you're like please tap please tap [ __ ] tap dude just tap don't let him do it cuz it looked like he was going to break his [ __ ] arm apart it's it's so funny because like khabib will like get guys in there and he's a type that'll grapple and like just like talk have a conversation as he's grappling but he had like Ali and kamur and he's like laughing and Ali's like tapping and he's just like Brother Hey brother give me coffee and he's like I'm like bro I think you're going to break his arm like at some point like that's a terrible break too that spiral break it's the worst and I'm like they're so strong and just like effortless with them their IES move crazy I remember Michael Johnson when khib got Michael Johnson in that Kamura and I was like Jesus please tap Michael God tap please just tap I was like squirming in my chair cuz I'm waiting to hear crack cuz I've seen it like the N noer fight with Frank me remember that yeah you see his arm you hear the snap and you see him like look over at his arm and his arm's like halfway hanging that's the one that's the that's the scary part about the whole thing so scary that's such a scary break cuz that your this arm is never the same again it's never the same again yeah no matter what they're going to screw things in there and bolt things all your muscles have been cut all your nerves are [ __ ] up it's never going to be the same arm and then you have guys that are like crazy enough to like keep fighting after that yeah they don't give a [ __ ] with the broken arm break my arm yeah go ahead Tim syvia would Frank me or broke his arm oh here it is with no gear oh jeez he's gonna make me look at this and he looks down at his arm like ah God damn please ladies and gentlemen tap please tap sometimes you have to tap sometime I know I know but sometimes you got to tap for the future did you see that guy Mikey musi fought in one FC and he destroyed his leg Yeah the guy wouldn't tap this [ __ ] guy's an animal he would not tap and I don't I was tapping at home I couldn't believe it he broke his leg like three times he just kep breaking his knee left and right and ripping it apart I'm watching his knee I'm like that's destroyed there's your LCL there's your look at this this is so horrible oh my God like right now his leg is destroyed his leg right now is fully destroyed it's totally Twisted all his his ligaments are [ __ ] he couldn't walk after this fight I mean look at his heel is totally the wrong way his knee is Twisted completely around that is horri oh oh he's going that way with it oh my God the dude never tapped the dude got his leg destroyed and never [ __ ] tapped he's but he's probably never goingon to be the same again Mikey has to have some like craziness inside of him just to keep going though oh he's an evil little man he has to be evil he's an evil little man he's a really really really nice guy yeah but he's also got a switch there's a switch and he gets into that octagon and what's that why' you do that to me that's what Mikey said to him yeah he felt bad that the guy wouldn't tap it was a crazy demonstration but that poor guy I mean I got to think his what what what kind of surgery find out what kind of surgery that guy had to have after that fight I hate leg locks in general even at practice I'll tell you guys if you're going to put leg lock I'm just going to tap like I'm not even going to play cuz it's well I came up before leg locks so I didn't learn leg locks until late in my Jiu-Jitsu Journey like I was already a black belt before leg locks became the big thing when we already knew about him like I had seen Dean lster use I went when Eddie went to Abu Dhabi I went down there with him and Dean lster was tapping people Dean lster was the first guy to really like [ __ ] a lot of guys up with leg locks and a few of those um l l guys were really good at leg locks they would do them but leg locks and Jiu-Jitsu tournaments were booed people didn't want yeah man because they ruined people's knees and no one really knew how to defend them torn ACL torn MCL Tor meniscus and a broken ankle my God that's wild tore everything Mikey said I'm sick to my stomach I never felt someone's leg explode like that in a match I've been training for 22 years I never broke someone's leg that much I broken a lot of legs but that leg exploded I didn't know what to do and it was just disgusting and gross I really wish he tapped the result didn't change now he's in the hospital so I don't know but what a war he is for showing his will that's why you got to choke people you got to choke people some people just they don't want to tap and they just go to sleep and that's okay that's that's that's Marcelo Garcia's route Marcelo Garcia never used koras because Marcelo Garcia although of course you could do a kamur he never used he felt like curas were like a strong man's move cuz you have to kind of yank it you're resisting the arm it's not perfect technique so Marcelo was all about grabbing your neck like he had the nastiest Guillotines did you ever watch Marcel fight oh my god dude I was there live when he fought Shaolin in Abu Dhabi oh my God oh my God it was like U who's that dude the Tasmanian devil from the cartoons that was like just spinning around him get his back and put him to sleep that's crazy oh my God and nobody knew who Marcelo was that was what was crazy like a lot of people respected him everybody knew he was a black belt you know Fabio gel lineage solid lineage everybody knew he was good but God damn killer killer did you watch that million-dollar tournament uh with Craig Jones I did yeah I did there that one match was really get in the semi-finals with them two kids oh yeah Ruto and who was the other caddy F I forgot but that was a find that I think they said it's on YouTube as the greatest grappling match of all time yeah that was a wild one the R Brothers are so good they're so good and again look 20 years old 19 years old just coming up the young ones man young and explosive and wild they do all kinds of crazy techniques they catch dares from everywhere and I like the ring they did Andrew tacket who's also a killer so it was an incredible match and these guys just went at it I don't like that ring it's it's fun it's like something different I don't like it I don't like it because it's another obstacle I think they had it right before when there was no obstacles like this is an obstacle right this keeps you from being able to get uppr right it's a thing that you have to think about this is why like I've said this before I apologize for everybody who's heard it uh I think fighting should take place with no cage it would be easier to see and I think it should be on a basketball court and you fight in the center yeah if you can have basketball in the same Arenas where we have UFC's you take a enormous space you Matt it up you put security around it so nobody can get in and nobody you know you put ropes up and guys step in and they fight right in front of everybody that would be epic no time Z no time limit no I don't think you I think you should have time limits I think you should even have rounds but if I was running things this is what I'd do number one first thing I Do cover the fingertips why are the fingertips open they don't have to be open all you need is the same UFC gloves right now and extend the lever like a mitten the leather like a mitten over the the tips of the front fingers and pull it back in there I think it would help grappling I don't think it would hurt grappling so I don't think Grapplers would have a problem with it it have no difference at all on your striking you just pull it like a bag glove you know like those old Everlast bag gloves yeah but not even as thick just have it so now you have one piece so you don't have nothing that can go in your eyeball like we've seen fingers go in eyeballs before so that would be eliminated you would still have some abrasions of the eye you could still run into fingers like that it would suck it would suck less though yeah it would suck less so that would be my first thing I would do second thing I would do wherever the [ __ ] nobody gets stood up ever for any reason unless someone gets injured or some foul or something happens wrong somebody bit somebody some crazy [ __ ] then stand people up and then I think you put them right back down to the position after you take the point away or whatever you're going to do but once a guy gets you down it's your job to get back up and at the end of the round if you're on your back and he's mounted you you start the next round with him mounted you you put the arm in the exact same place he had an overhook on the right arm and he's on top and he's got his hand on your bicep okay this is how the round ended this is how we start and everybody looks at the screen and everybody looks at the guys and they go 3 2 1 fight that would be wild that would be real that be that be real because it's not five fights it's one fight it's one fight that's five rounds why should it start on your feet every round that's crazy why because just that that's how it is in boxing they come out of their Corner who [ __ ] cares that's stupid yeah start them where they you got to get better the same way you got sick you got taken down you got to get up somebody got you down you got to get up cuz if you don't get up then he's winning he's figured out a way to hold you down you don't want to be held down he's holding you down so he's winning even if he's not doing any damage he's winning he's holding you down everybody boo boo so what so it'll affect your ticket SES so Le you'll get less money for pay-per-views so what but this is what real fighting is that's real that's the the most pure version of the sport that we could offer giant matted down space you make it so that you know you have security around it so no [ __ ] psychos can rush you know you put ropes up so people can't pass it everybody's going to have a clear line of sight no cages in the way you still have the big monitors and everything like that they fight in an enormous space and you have a a danger zone you got an outside danger zone and if you keep going into that [ __ ] danger zone they take a point away if you get kicked in the nuts take a point away you get poked in the eye take a point away you grab the well grab the fence I think take a point away too but let's have have no fence yeah no offence so there's no way to take someone down except taking them down you got to actually take them down you can't get him up against the the cage and trip them because they're backers again no no no you have to take them down on a flat ground with no help and he's got to get up without the cage he can't wall walk up to the cage and press his back up and use the leverage uh-uh uhuh get up you're in the middle of the [ __ ] matted area get up I'm just imagining guys like MVP and Wonder Boy like to be able to catch those guys in a basketball court be wild Shan Mali just yeah hard great for them too bad for them if they get taken down though real bad real bad cuz now you have to actually be able to get up and you're stuck there and imagine getting up with khib on top of you has anybody ever gotten up that guy gets on top of you you're [ __ ] you got to wait till the round's over bro like when we when we grapple like the round will be over with and he'll still be going and he's like no brother you have to get up and I'm just like bro I can't like the bell rang bro you got to get up that's what you mean it'll just stay on top of you it's it'll be like a 15minute round it'll be just like that's so crazy nonstop it's wild yeah but that mentality is why that camp produces so many assassins I was very impressed with Umar very impressed very impressed because I I always knew he was an elite kicker you know I mean he's a he's an elite Striker too but to see him fight a guy like San Haagen who's so complex he does so many things well and to see him dominate that fight I was like wow that's really impressive that's really impressive yeah I think he still only has less than five fights in the UFC he's still yeah he's incredible starting and yo I butchered his name one time so bad that was that see time I could it couldn't get out of my mouth like I don't know what it is like sometimes my mouth just don't work right and that's fine if you're doing a podcast you can just say it again but if you're like saying a guys now like [ __ ] like what did I say I felt so bad because I really love the guy I think he's awesome and especially after the San Haagen fight I think he's the most compelling contender in that division after morab yeah so after morab I think he's got to get that shot whoever wins and him against either one of those guys is Sensational that's a sensational fight that's like Elite top that's like as good as we have to offer today in terms of martial arts Talent yeah 100% like the way he did s like San Haagen one of my favorite fighters to see how good Umar did against him didn't have really any moments of difficulty in there and I was like he's Elite yeah he's he's super Elite you know I I think about San Haagen one thing I think about is uh here's a bummer TJ Dill Shaw like TJ Dill Shaw let's imagine if TJ Dill Shaw didn't blow out his shoulders because TJ Dill saww beat San Haagen with one leg Yeah which is crazy and he beat San Haagen San Haagen San Haagen that [ __ ] up Marlon Marise San Haagen San Haagen like the the San Haagen of today you know that guy is [ __ ] top of the food chain he's very good and TJ beat him with one leg and a [ __ ] up shoulder his shoulder wasn't good back then either yeah it was [ __ ] up but he figured out a way to win it wasn't the most exciting fight but how could it be he had W ACL he blew his [ __ ] knee apart but he still beat him that guy's had so many [ __ ] injuries if you imagine TJ Dillashaw not having all those injuries and and someone talking him out and going down to 25 yeah you see how big he is right now bro he's huge he's like 180 pounds it's it's wild I'm like going down I I wish I was tighter with him cuz I would have said do not [ __ ] do it look at him now he's huge oh my God yeah his his piss would melt that us cup just put him in Chad MZ in a room just have like duke it out do a best body contest they're both like takes but you got to think man how good Cody no love was when he beat him you know when he stopped him dude TJ Dillashaw was a bad man hen and Barra was the pound-for-pound considerate of a number one fighter in the world when he was a abandon Weight Champion a lot of people he was in consideration yeah and TJ just pieced him up and he did it like he was sparring he was all loose and relaxed and he had that Dwayne lwig I don't know you ever trained with Dwayne no he's got an incredible system that bang mu Thai system is one of the most complex and wellth thought out striking systems I've ever seen like I he's a maniac he's got notebooks like binders with all these moves like locked in and he if you watch Dwayne fight though it's so crazy CU he didn't fight that way yeah Dwayne fought you know he had like kind of traditional like a lot of Muay Thai a lot of Dutch kickboxing style nasty Striker but he didn't like switch stances all the time and do like TJ but he figured that out he figured out that this is the way the constant switching and striking from each stance and the constant footwork and movement all these patterns that they would get guys to lead into certain positions and do it like it wasn't just like smashing buttons like style Bender likes to talk about Dwayne's thought about it as like a real comprehensive striking program and TJ was his best pupil and TJ when he fought Hannah baral was showing that style in its world class form but people forget people forget how good TJ dilaw was they forget he has that fight with cejudo he tests positive for EPO because he's literally dying to make 125 he looked like an awit concentration camp Survivor he did he looked like they just opened the doors and let him out of the Concentration Camp he had no skin in his face his face was just it was just bones he looked terrible and TJ is a big guy for 35 he's big he's a good solid perfect 35 PB frame and somehow or another someone talked him into it or he wanted to do it for the challenge chasing that greatness yeah [ __ ] that man [ __ ] that kind of cut yeah cuz he had to be starving to death in Camp so he he must have been like doing his Camp while he was starving literally starving to death like your organs are shutting down your brain's not working anymore and then when you're thinking about was the EPO just because of the weight cut did he just do that right but then you think if he was using it beforehand how good Cody Nola was before he fought him and after him beating Dominique Cruz that was like the best performance i' ever seen in my life and then he goes and gets knocked out by him and if he says CU he was on EPO and it's like that changed your whole career if you're it does it does change your whole career and you know there's guys who have accused him of doing stuff other than that and I don't I don't know who's telling that's what he looked like bro God that's so crazy that is so crazy I wish I was his friend I wish I was tight with him back then and when he was I wish like he would have listened to someone who said just don't do that man don't [ __ ] do that you could be one of the all-time greats at 35 and stay there but you also got to think like how many of his injuries got Amplified because of that weight cut how much body deterioration was he going through and then also going through Camp so he's pushing hard he's wrestling he's hitting hitting the mids he's sparring all this while his body is deteriorating for so all his mass is down all the muscle that's protecting his shoulders which are you know his super spinatus has been missing forever his super spinatus has been ripped off the bone from like the beginning of his career we were just uh I was talking to a guy yesterday about weight cutting we were at at the sushi spot um Sushi by scratch and then Sushi guy who was rolling at he was like I used to be a weight cutter in high school when I was a wrestler and I had a heart surgery because I was cutting weight since I was six years old my dad would make me cut weight oh my God and I was like oh my God that changed your whole life because you started cutting at that young and he's like bro I had so many issues problems from there and it was just wrestling he said I wasn't even grappling or anything I was just wrestling since a kid my dad just made me cut weight since I was a kid was like 10 like n lb to like 90 lb and I was like why are you cutting weight that young it's so bad for you and stunts your growth does a lot of wild [ __ ] to your body make your kidneys fail Chang your life changes your life yeah and you don't grow up right it's like you're being poisoned from the time you're a kid your body doesn't develop right who knows what could do to your this the future of your life he might have taken a decade or two off of his life and it just burns you out in general if you go to fighting after that you've been cutting weight since that long now you're a fighter now you have to cut weight right every single fighter I think has like a eating disorder to now after oh yeah yeah I'm sure I'm sure well how much do you have to cut me like I get around like 190 and then when it's when I'm in fight camp and I'm training I'm walking around at 185 so like oh that's not bad at all 15 lbs the mo yeah but I I keep uh a chef with me for like this last five weeks uh Ian Larios he's been with like DC uh Kane and all them guys and he lives at my house for five weeks and I tell people it changes your life like you you train so much better off it because he's giving you the right food to eat like before I would sit there when I'm cutting my eat myself I like I'm not going to have breakfast I'm just going to go to the gym train now I'm waking up and he's giving me like potatoes and eggs and I'm like bro I can't have carbs what are you giving me these bro you're not going to train you're not going to have a good workout unless you had this stuff so like there's no thought process with me he just gives me everything my shakes my my food and then I come home from practice and then he has lunch on the table then I come home after another session and he has dinner on the table and he's is he calculating the calories for each meal and how it's set up that's what's get where it gets fascinating right when they calculate the calories for each meal they give you the exact right amount yeah I I hate looking at the scale so like he'll make me step on the scale and it'll be five weeks like bro no we're not we're not we still have like five more weeks like get on the scale so I won't look at it so he'll look at it cut right in his phone and then he'll just keep track of it the whole time that's a eating disorder it is yeah man at I like bro I don't even want to look at it because then it just it tells me like oh man I got to do this or I got to do that more but it'll make me push that much harder at practice but I'm like I'm going to push hard anyway for the fight but I think mentally I just hate scales I won't step on SK until I have a fight like yo nobody's got an eating disorder like Patty oh my God pat patty celebrates his eating disorder that [ __ ] gained 40 pounds after his last fight and that's gonna literally kill him I feel like it's not wild good it's defin well he's so good though man I'm so impressed with him like he keeps getting I thought jarro Gordon beat him and I thought that fight to me was that was another one of those fights if Jared Gordon wins then all a sudden Jared Gordon's get another big fight another big fight and he had two blunders in a row you know not his fault the other one was the headbutt with Bobby yeah but the the Patty one was a big one man because the Patty one he was [ __ ] winning that fight man I felt he was Landing the big shots that counter left hook was sweet he looked good I thought he won the fight I thought it was a good fight but I thought he won the fight and then Patty fights Bobby green and he looks like a world beater he looks like a world beater that [ __ ] the strategy was perfect stay on the outside [ __ ] his legs up and then you realize how big patty is too like Patty's a big 55 because Bobby's big yeah excuse me King he's King now wow change his name to King I love that dude change his name to King so King is you know he's a tall Dude too for the division but you realize how big patty is and people think of Patty only as a Grappler but his kicks were on point man his kicks were on point and he's tough in general that those guys when you you hit a guy and he's still standing in front of you it makes you want to shoot on him cuz I'm looking at Bobby like why would you shoot a take down on Patty I feel like this his only way of beating you is to catch you in a submission I think his legs were getting [ __ ] up yeah yeah but it just makes you uncomfortable so he shot here it is yeah I think he was seeing where this was going look how big he looks man you realize like damn he's a big 55 and he caught him with that inside low kick I mean it might have been just Instinct where Bobby just felt like he had to catch excuse me King felt like he had to catch that kick because it was available but as a trap the crowd in Manchester when Petty walks out it's like nuts yeah he's a star yeah over there it's it's crazy when I was sitting in the back we were sitting in the back warming up and then we just hear the people going nuts and my family's like texting me like man I wish we were fighting so I could just enjoy this right now watch the Patty walk out he's a scouser he's just fun he looks like he's having a good old time when he's out there and he can back it up so that fight was big for him because that fight moves him into Elite status right he goes from Jared Gordon and now you know couple other fights now bam Bobby green bam someone's gonna be a big name someone next gonna be a big game so he's thinking right now about Islam he's thinking about those guys at the top of the Heap he's at the point where I think one more especially because of his name if he gets like a a hooker or a Chandler right and he gets past one of them guys I see them giv don't you think considering the amount of growth that we've already seen from him though like if you were in his Corner wouldn't you say couple more be good couple more couple more don't rush I would but like for MoneyWise and I think he's about the big name especially if the UFC when you're thinking of lightweight Oliva just lost gatei just lost hooker already lost to to Islam if Islam gets past Armand there I mean if there if McGregor comes back and he beats Chandler he's there but like there's not a lot of names right now for Islam because gamra was who was supposed to be the the backup and he just lost the hooker yeah but Islam walked through hooker so you're like who's this L going to fight after armad right right it's a good question good question you know cuz gamrat was an interesting one we we were looking forward to that versus Islam like that could be interesting because he's such a good Grappler but when you know people forget about Dan hooker they forgot about him too he's a dog Dan hooker went blow for blow with Dustin poier that was as close a fight as you're GNA get and again another change of the career right Dustin moves on from that gets the Conor fights Dustin Dustin becomes the man yeah people forget about that fight that was a [ __ ] very close fight a very good fight there was some moments where Dan hooker was tuning Dustin poier up there's a a video uh compilation online of of uh hooker having poier against the ROP just r r rap rap rap rap he's ripping shots before the end of the round he's a bad [ __ ] is isn't a guy fought with a broken arm he got his arm broken didn't say [ __ ] didn't say a goddamn word about it wins the fight and they like what happened here it's just a scratch he's W and even in this fight his face is like bleeding in between rounds and he's like I love this stuff well he also loves like you know he had that devastating knockout loss to Chandler right Chandler comes out catches him with that leaping hook and drops him and just puts it on him and like [ __ ] you know this is a big high-profile fight and he got caught you know and anybody can get caught that's what's crazy about the sport that's why it's so exciting anybody can get caught but it's like how how can you bounce back how do you bounce can you bounce back and be the same guy after you got caught yeah and that's the hardest part too cuz you you get caught and you don't really feel anything afterward it's not like you went through a war or injury so you want to hop right back into it you're like let me get that taste out of my mouth let me fight again but you need like the coaches around you that tell you like you still got a concussion chill out don't fight take a couple months off gate is taking a year off yeah and it's like you need those guys to hold you back because I've been knocked out before and it's like you I'm all right I feel good my body feels good like my I don't have no scratches or anything I didn't go through a 15-minute War so I'm like let me get another fight let me get another fight right but you you don't know what's going on in your brain you don't know what your brain's dealing with and that's going to be to your future right there yep exactly and so many fighters are they're so tough they feel fine their mind is you know their determination is strong like I want to get back in there like that was the case with Jamal Hill he was going to get right back in after the paja fight and he was gonna fight Round Tree which is woo that's a bad fight if you just got knocked out just a few months ago that's a scary dude and even be like taking the AHA fight he had a he had a torn Achilles and I think he just got cleared to come back from that Achilles and it's like right now you got to fight Alex in six weeks yeah and I'm like bro that's that's a short camp and you're you're switching up right away but he's like 300 such a big opportunity like you can't say no to that yeah and then yeah you get knocked out by petta and you're like all right I want to get right back in there but your right back in there is going to be against a monster like Round Tree I know I know not a easy fight it was funny cuz he was on your show and I'm like listening to him and he's like I maybe do a jiit tournament and then I'm like a week later he gets a title fight I know tell time no no no [ __ ] way don't do that you do all that [ __ ] when it's over cuz I was I remember Cub Swanson did a tournament tour his ACL yeah once you know once you tear some [ __ ] doing something stupid and you miss a title shot you're never going to forgive yourself yeah espe khil is like 35 you know he's he's up in that age range too where it's like Now's the Time man yeah so it was perfect timing and a lot of people like an should have got the title shot but the problem is they already set up that fight with Rage which doesn't really totally make sense right yeah right if you think has rage fought since Yuri beat him up no okay so that kind of doesn't make sense a little bit Yeah it make more sense if Jamal fought rage right Jamal but Jamal wants something a little more high-profile I understand that but ANF man no no one's beat him an had that one draw with yam bovich and no one's beaten him there's another guy everybody forgets about yam bovich what the [ __ ] that guy almost beat paa he was right that was such a close fight super close down to the wire everybody's like yeah we already saw that like what what you got to give Yan his D he was a light heavyweight champion of the [ __ ] world and a destroyer yeah but for whatever reason I think they look at that number they say oh he's 40 years old yeah he 41 years old whatever he is now so what so what he still [ __ ] up Dominic Reyes he still [ __ ] up everybody Yan bovich is a murderer yeah he's he's a scary dude man that's a good fight and he's polish bro they don't age he's a killer that dude's made out of rocks I remember when anv uh and him were going leg kick to leg kick you know he was he was kicking his shins and [ __ ] an's legs like this guy is nuts and I'm like so I went to my coach and I'm like what kind of low kick was he doing he's like bro I think he was just going Shin the shin he was it's like I'm not going to teach that he was just saying feel polish bone density slamming slaming those [ __ ] shins Into The Shins but if I'm P like I'm gonna pick all the strikers like him and round Tre is gonna be a crazy one his only loss against Paul Craig his first fight in the UFC oh yeah uncle got caught in a triangle that's right last second of yeah last second fight where he Paul Craig has the nastiest triangle in the division for sure one of the nastiest triangles in the sport look at this look how quick he snatches that [ __ ] up boom snap and too late so here we got I think there was like five seconds to go when he locks this up and he tapped unbelievable man wild but so anle I has had this long ass win streak he looked real good in his last fight and then they give him a guy who so he beat Johnny Walker twice one of them was Johnny Walker it was like a there was an injury desert what happened remember he was in uh Abu Dhabi and he got uh kned while he was down and then the doctor came in and he said where are you and he said desert and the doctor stopped it oh that's right and he got mad like why are you stopping it yeah that's right that's right but so he has the draw with Yan bovich he he Ko's Anthony Smith beats Thiago santz beats Vulcan beats all these guys I mean he's beaten a lot of guys you I mean and he's got a really good skill set where you think about with a guy like P because he can wrestle he can strike and he can wrestle and he has knockout a huge knockout against Johnny Walker last so that's yeah so I guess for him he fights rockage I I favor him in that fight but Rockit is [ __ ] dangerous as [ __ ] man you know Rockit has had a long time off of the prasa fight and Rockit looked real good in that fight he was eating Yuri up before but Yuri was just walking through everything Yuri's like the new age Tony Ferguson where you hit me I'm gonna hit you with five other punches and it's going to make you tired of just hitting me and I'm going to catch you it just doesn't work with poon yeah you can't can't be getting hit by that guy I I want to feel his low kick just because I'm like bro what does he do like he just touches it feel like he just like touches you with his foot and just like you can't walk afterward he he's targeting it too he doesn't never go Shin to shin and even when he checks he doesn't go Shin to Shin he lifts his leg up like he's playing hacky hack yeah he just lifts his leg up he just goes ankle he just lives his ankle so his foot comes all the way up to his other knee and then he drops it back down and he comes in with a right hand like he's got it down where if you you try to ankle kick him he's got so many C counters for that calf kick and he feel like he's like on every pay-per-view now like hey we need somebody to put the bat symbol out there and he's like all right I'm ready he'll fight anybody yeah yeah he's fighting in Salt Lake City against round tree and that that's a wild ass fight man that's a wild fight a lot of people say oh round tree doesn't deserve it let me tell you something Round Tree fights like you just killed his family and lit his house on fire that dude's coming for you yeah he's coming for everybody stylistic he's not going to shoot a takedown yeah there'll be no takedowns he's [ __ ] dangerous man but if you you know you think about the the L like P is striking like his overall accomplishments are second to none in in MMA two division Glory world champion I mean and the thing about him is that that [ __ ] power is just freakish and he just like touches it though it feels like bro what is that you see him hit the power Cube and he got 191 on the power cube with a right hand and that's not even his left hook like hit it he probably doesn't want anybody to know hit it with the left hook that's that's the sleeper that left hook is the sleeper it' be like 5,000 you're like it's crazy he just touches people and it's when you're when you're starting to see his personality come out now more it's so fun because Glover is like the nicest guy in the world and at first Alex was like so quiet and now you're starting to see glob pull it out of them even when he wins he is never like yeah it's always like yep another day yep another day another day another dude I put to sleep like even after he beat Izzy he just walked away from him the referee stopped the fight and he just walked away but there's something exciting about that too like that guy's one of the biggest pay-per-view stars in the country in the world and most people don't even understand what he's saying and he's a star right he's a huge star all he has to do is make facial expressions yeah but it's also it's scary when he comes out with the bow and arrow boom boom boom bo boom [ __ ] you like if you're sitting there watching that guy walk to the cage you're like a [ __ ] I be like thinking to myself I got to come up with some sort of stick like that like I got to figure out something but like I can't think of anything it just like look fake be yourself yeah you got to be yourself it's either that's either you or that's not you but that's the coolest thing in the world when I see whenever I'm one of his fights to see that walk out that face dude and the music [Applause] that is the most terrifying face him walking towards the cage and you're standing there you've been prepping for this dude for 12 weeks and you're like oh Jesus here it [Applause] comes ufcb that by the wayv damn bro I hate seeing in that one just cuz Jamal's my boy and I'm like I like obviously I'm a fan of paa but man to see him just like catch my boy like ah come on Jamal give us give one back just to get that taste out of our mouth well there was a weird moment in that fight we've talked about it before where Jamal accidentally low kicked him and the referee moves into stop and Jamal stands up straight and relaxes like you okay and when poon puts his hand on Herb Dean he advances he makes a little hop step and then he goes right back to fighting then he catches him with the left hook so he'd close some distance and it's a game of inches oh especially with that guy he do everything for a reason and then when you see somebody break it down like that like you said everything changes imagine if he didn't Imagine The Ref said all right both you get you back up you back up yep yep Everything Changes yeah everything changes but that's moments and fights you know and maybe that will Define Jamal's career maybe Jamal will learn from that and never be never take his eye off the prize again yeah never relax and I guarantee you he won't relax now protect yourself at all time times and I guess you know I see it from pera's point of view too the referee said okay keep going and he caught him but he did close that distance because of that low kick so it is a and I think it open up a lot of Fighters eyes too right CU you're starting to see these little things except for me now I'm like no the ref tells me something yeah I'm either taking one step back myself or I'm going to take that step forward and catch that pad of distance myself you just can't relax ever you can never relax cuz it's such a game of impossible things happening at any moment CU so many guys have pulled out impossible things head kicks spinning elbows out of nowhere you know things happen and if you relaxed even for a second yeah the Korean zombie Yer oh my God uppercut elbow oh my God what what was this running away uppercut elbow with like two seconds left you're like how how did this just happen right now when Yer uh landed that jumping roundhouse kick on Andre fely woo the scissor kick wow my God his kick are so nasty yeah there's it's so interesting to you see all these different ways to get Elite there's so many different ways you know some guys are Specialists like paja and some guys just dominate all aspects like Islam you know there's like all these different ways that guys achieve to becoming the best yeah that's my mindset I like I always tell myself I'm behind because like I started late so I'm like I didn't do martial arts since I was a kid so like I always got to tell myself oh we got to do everything there's not like one thing that I'm like amazing at but people see the fight and like oh all you are is russler all you are is this and that I like bro I do everything and I train everything more than everybody else and I I like I don't take any days off how old were you when you first started training I was 23 wow that's crazy yeah that's way behind the curve way behind way behind and I didn't do no I did like two years of high school wrestling wow yeah yeah at least you had that yeah that's definitely something oh no it was I mean school cuz you're in high school your body's developing yeah you know your body's developing where you're learning how to take people down like yeah that helps for sure but if nothing by 23 is crazy yeah I mean yeah I always played Sports in general I love basketball no striking at all nothing no I mean I would always get like in street fights in like Chicago just because I'm a trash talker when I play basketball so like we would always sit there and go to the park and then people would see like who these Arabs coming to play basketball and then we'll be winning and I'm talking trash and then it like they want to start a fight afterward so it was always the best but what made you start training uh my my high school wrestling coach uh lisis Taylor he was like the pfl middleweight champion he was in my high school wrestling coach for two years and then he like left and so I'm like whatever happened to him he was like that cool coach that young coach and he was like gone so I stopped wrestling and then I was at school for just I was trying to be like a lawyer and I ended up seeing him in the newspaper he was fighting in Strike Force so then I just like messaged him on Facebook and I was like bro you're a fighter and he's like yeah I was like whatever happened to you he's like oh was still young I still had something left in me so I wanted to start training wow and he used to be like rampage's roommate in college so he had already had like that uh mindset of like oh these guys are fighting I can fight too right right so then he his gym ended up being probably like 10 minutes away from my mom's house so when I come home from school on the weekends I'll just start training with him and then it was just like a Snowball Effect I started like falling in love with it and after my first amateur fight I was after like two months I was like could it be could I get a fight he like two months yeah cuz I was just like excited about the whole thing and for us two is like we were only training Partners so I'm training with him and like I'm learning the hard way like we're just going straight sparring or straight wrestling and he was like a division one wrestler he had crazy power crazy Jitsu so like I'm getting good just because he's beating me up the whole time so then I'm like oh I could fight amateur and he's like yeah let's go get you one wow yeah so then I got it it was like the biggest street fight in the world the amateur fight there's like nothing good about it my technique or anything but it's funny cuz Mark Coleman was the commentator for it oh wow yeah it was like the whole scenario was crazy and it was like I had a bar and it was just like cool so then after that I was like bro all right I transferred to like a closer school near uh the gym I started training more with him and then you know my parents are telling me like stay in school stay in school so then once I started just like getting more wins more wins and I decided to go pro I said I'll go back to school after I lose and then we just kept going until we got to the UFC wow yeah it was wild he's still with me now to this day but even with him he was 41 years old and they never gave him a UFC shot but he ended up going to pfl and he was like a 1,200 Underdog and he won the million dollars at 30 seconds with a knockout wow yeah he was fighting uh uh aboose megaa the one that's in the UFC now they were in the finals the first he beat abose he beat abose 302 knockout wow abose is good yeah and he was 41 years old never got a shot and it's crazy how his career ended like that middleweight champion retired on top now million dollars and there's a lot lot of guys that good to UFC they don't hit a million dollars that's true so he's like my path was that way so even with me when I was doing all this waiting for this title fight he's like patience it's G to come like you saw what I had to go through your title fight is going to come it's G to come at the right moment so just enjoy the journey can you find that fight see if you can find that fight Jamie uh Lewis Taylor and uh aboose magedov aboose had a great first round with Sean Strickland a great first round but that was like Sean Strickland is just a zombie he just marches towards you and you can't hit him he's hard to hit but he was [ __ ] his legs up I was hoping Abus would knock him out I was like come on aboose please bro he was putting it on him in that first round but he started getting tired by the end of the first round he was tired he threw everything at him yeah everything was Full Clip too full speed full clip and I'm was like cuz even in pfl the way he was killing everybody he was like so he's 41 in this fight yeah that's so crazy so this is the pfl Championships in 2018 yeah and it's crazy because they got rid of the middleweight division after this m so now they don't have middleweight there anymore how is that possible because they wanted to put the women's division the 55ers so they got rid of the middleweight guys can I talk to somebody over there aboose see there's a low kick his low kicks are nasty he just for whatever reason aboose has a hard time sustaining it I mean I think he's getting better in the UFC and I think the Sean Strickland fight was just too quick oh left hook oh my goodness oh my goodness back that up again look at this they go Shin Shin boom Oh my God the distance he covered with that left hook and it's like AB boost is even blocking it too like he just has crazy power is there's nothing about guys who are really good at shooting that same ability to cover distance when you you make a double leg is the same kind of drive that you need to move forward to punch that's one of the reasons why randomman was so dangerous yeah you know cuz randomman had that crazy shot so he could explode forward and punch you from a distance you really can't punch him that's incredible look how much distance he covers well Jamie just broke it down look at this yeah he hopped in there no go go back a little bit further please just a little bit further before he throws the punch he's way back there dude watch this look how far away he is oh my goodness aboose made a mistake that he tried to counter he was thinking about countering before the punch got to him and he just wasn't quick enough that's incredible good for him man yeah good for him and that guy's legit man to knock out a guy like that Abus is legit yeah when people go back and look at his record he had like 10 first round finishes wow on his come up but like the UFC just said he was too old they never gave him a shot oh that's crazy yeah and I was like bro people just saw him and even when when he started his career like I said I was like one of his main training Partners from the beginning if he was at like an American top team or like a real gym because he had kids early so he didn't want to like leave them so he always trained in Chicago and he's like I'm going to build up my own guy so we had like a small gym like three or four guys that he just used as main training partners and dudes that can compete at a world class level deep into their 40s and I always point to Bernard Hopkins everybody wrote Bernard Hopkins off before he fought Kelly pavick and he beat the [ __ ] out of Kelly pavick and he just boxed him he just did everything perfect it was a master class in boxing a masterclass in World Championship caliber boxing against a guy in Kelly pavick which was [ __ ] dangerous man Wicked puncher tough as [ __ ] that Germaine Taylor fight was crazy he was out in that fight and came back to stop Taylor just a warrior a real dog so Bernard was like how old was Bernard when he fought Kelly pavick when he fought Felix Trinidad everybody rote him off he was like 36 or something by the time he fought Trinidad oh yeah yeah man everybody wrote him off wow Bernard was wild too he threw the Puerto Rican flag down on the ground in Puerto Rico and he had a run people were chasing him he ran he had to run they would to kill yeah he had to run they were trying to kill him yeah you can't do that yeah he told me the whole story it was hilarious yeah he's uh I mean but how old was Bernard 43 years old when he fought Kelly paver Come On Son 43 years old that's so crazy he beat Roy Jones Jr when he was 45 unbelievable unbelievable what oh wow that's the Chad Dawson fight bro he was 4 6 years old and Chad Dawson was a killer Chad Dawson was a vicious knockout artist and he knocked him out in the second round and then he Lo look look he lost again against him the next fight that's how good Chad was Chad was a [ __ ] good fighter did he lost to kovalev and he he lost to Joe Smith Jr which was a bad one but he was 51 years old when he fought Joe Smith and Joe Smith is another one who's a [ __ ] killer man he's a dangerous puncher Joe Smith is a merer dangerous guy and 51 years old that's wild natural 51 years old what do you think of Tyson and Jake I wish he didn't do it I wish it wasn't a thing I wish it wasn't a thing where a 58- year old guy was going to fight a 28y old that said that out the window I fully support his desire to do it what is he going to live forever he's not going to live forever maybe he wants one more shot at it maybe his body can do one more fight I don't know he looks great on the mths but that doesn't mean that you know as much as I know I can look good on the bits yeah I tell people that like bro mits doesn't show anything yeah especially if you watch in 30 second Clips what you want to see is him sparring you want to see him hitting the bag for multiple rounds you'd want to see like let's see three rounds hard on the bag I'm I'm going to see what you could do I want to see how your feet move I want to see what it looks like if you're off balance when you're throw combinations do do you look like Tyson like remember there's uh some videos of Tyson hitting the bag when he was like 19 years old and it's like it's crazy you watch like the speed and the P see if you can find that Mike Tyson hitting the heavy bag when he's young terrifying terrifying that to me a bag is different than mits mits guys are meeting you halfway you know you've got a combination worked out okay I want you to go left right left to the body right overand okay do it again it kind of can look real good yeah but can you do that with a guy who's moving can you go can you Spar like if would they bring in a world class heavyweight can you do that like what how do you move how how are your knees how's your back like are you can you sustain that can you sustain those kind of explosions or is this just a gimmick you know I mean I don't know I know he used to be able to but we won't really know so here's it when he's young Michael Tyson yeah kill the sound you don't have to see the sound just look at this and he's young here man young so that's him hitting the bag later in life I would want to see rounds you know I want to see rounds I want to see what it looks like when he's tired how quick does he get tired I want to see him sparring I wonder if he's gonna SP look at that when he's young man dude terrifying those combinations when he bra show that again bro he was so fast so fast and always moving always moving bobbing and weaving he's a a Target that you couldn't find just moving at you constantly advancing just a mindset like just craziness Madness just just controlled Madness in there with perfect technique and ferocious power and Awesome Genetics you know they said that Teddy Atlas told me that when he was 13 years old he would bring him to smokers and they would go how old's that kid he was a 13 he's 16 he's like fine he's 16 and he was 190 at 13 years old what yeah 190 wow 90 that's wild what that's God he got a gift he got a god kissed his physique you're got to smoke you're a 13-year-old and you see that guy what the fu you fight him you're like what the [ __ ] what are you talking about that's a man I'm better pull guard boxing [ __ ] this yeah and he scared a lot of guys before they even threw the first punch you'd see the the look like I remember Bruce Seldon he missed a left hook Bruce Elden Bruce Elden went down he's like [ __ ] all this [ __ ] all this [ __ ] all this yeah what do you want to M yeah but but he's 58 you know I support him I love that guy I I fully support um gigantic fan of his me meeting him the first time I met him at the UFC was there's some Star Struck moments where you meet people be like oh [ __ ] that's Sugar Ray Leonard you know oh [ __ ] that's Mike Tyson and mik I was even one of the most Star Struck moments I ever had really couldn't believe I was meeting Mike Tyson that's wild yeah when I did a podcast with him I was like I can't believe I'm talking to Mike Tyson it just seemed he was such a huge part of my childhood when I was a kid was when he was coming up I have in my office framed the cover of uh Sports Illustrated when he was 19 wow really yeah it says kid Dynamite see if you can find that you had it back then oh no no no someone gave it to me recently I might have been Sports sales Trad sent it to me I don't know who sent it to me do we do you know who sent it somebody sent it to me thank you whoever did it I I forgot I'm sorry but that's the cover that's framed in my office and 19 years old on the cover of sport I think that was 1985 is that what year that was does it say what year that was see if you can find whates it say 86 okay6 so that was right before he won the title he won the title when he was 20 so I was like just out of high school and he was the guy like heavyweight boxing had gotten boring nobody cared after Larry Holmes like people were bored with heavyweight boxing there was a bunch of Champions and nobody heard of it was like they weren't really interest no disrespect to any of those guys but they didn't excite the public the way Muhammad Ali did the way George Foreman did it wasn't heavyweight boxing was kind of dead and then all of a sudden this dude comes along you're like oh my God and yeah he was doing everything you wanted a heavyweight to do just starching people just start sending him flying he'd hit him with left hooks they' go flying he like look at this guy he's n he's going to be become the youngest heavyweight champion of all time and then he fights Trevor berbick and knocks him out quick how much were PWS back then my God I don't remember but I remember a lot of times people wouldn't want to buy Mike Tyson pay-per-views because they knew the fights could be over so quick it was nuts man so this is uh is this a documentary it says kid Dynamite 1985 oh so this is him in 1985 yeah this is him when people were just starting hear about him and he came through the ranks quick just was [ __ ] everybody up he was having a hard time getting fights and everybody thought this is the guy this is the next Destroyer I mean he was just killing people man everybody he fought was getting [ __ ] up oh my just that head moving in the inside is just wild everything and the power it was just that's what you wanted to see from a heavyweight so that guy is still alive and he still remembers all these moments it's not like he does doesn't know how to put his knuckles on your face the question is how much does he have left in his body 58 today is not 58 when I was 21 it's a different 58 especially if they're not testing them okay if they're letting him take hormones and peptides and do all the things that I would recommend 100% I I don't know how you could do it if you're 58 if you're not doing that if if he's if they're allowing him to do all that stuff and get his body to the optimum level that's known to science you're you're dealing with a different kind of human being you're dealing with one of the greatest Fighters that's ever lived it's just how much does he want to do it is he doing it for money you know how much does he have left in the tank those are all questions that'll make me buy the pay-per-view it's on Netflix though it's free yeah that's right it's free yeah I'm GNA watch it 100% I'm GNA watch it I'm gonna feel bad if he gets knocked out ah yeah but you know are his most recent comments about the fight addressed the media with his usual boldness during the press conference to show his Readiness for battle he said I'm just ready I'm ready I'm going to talk my talk and do my [ __ ] but I'm ready to fight is he really a young killer Tyson said discounting any questions on his Readiness reacting to Paul's taunting Tyson's need to postpone the fight because of an ulcer flare up earlier in the summer former Champion made a strong statement about his unmatched abilities he said I feel a lot better now who else can do it but me who else is going to fight to make this happen you got a YouTuber fighting the greatest fighter that ever lived oo yeah I want to hear him say that that sound com out of his voice would be like we also have to remember about Mike Tyson is that Mike Tyson knows how to mentally prepare he was trained by custado who was a hypnotist and custado started hypnotizing him when he was 13 years old really yeah that was part of the reason why he was so terrifying his mindset was just Unstoppable he really thought that he could not be stopped he thought he was going to murder everybody and cus was his hero cus raised him cus took him in in when he was 13 years old he had this terrible childhood no love just in and out of trouble terrible bad situation horrible poverty and crime and then all of a sudden he's being taken care of by this dude who's a master boxer Master boxing coach he trained world champions like Jose Torres and Floyd Patterson and now he's got this young pupil this is his last har ra and the greatest shot he's ever had having having a real alltime great I mean this guy's in alltime great and he's 13 wow yeah he's a 13-year-old 190 lb kid like what in the [ __ ] and he's got this kid and he's hypnotizing him and he's telling him you're the greatest and he's getting it into his head so from the time he was really young he was learning mental preparation he was learning how to put himself into a mindset of just an Unstoppable Juggernaut that had one goal one task and cus would tell him you don't exist only the task exists M like you don't exist what you have to do exists that's what you are wow that's yeah that's powerful I'm gonna write that down yeah so the question is how much does that guy have left you know conventional wisdom would say this is a terrible fight conventional wisdom would say there's a 28-year-old with knockout power just knocked out Mike Perry he's real fast he's young he's [ __ ] athletic he's bold as [ __ ] he's a good boxer he's a very good boxer people don't want to get give Mis credit because he's a YouTuber and all that [ __ ] anybody who knocks out Tyron Woodley with one punch can [ __ ] crack anybody that can move the way that dude moves and have a a fight with Tommy Fury who's a worldclass boxer and he lost that fight but it was a very good fight he's a good fighter a real good fighter and he's actually training like he's getting better people are just like sleeping on him just cuz like said he's a YouTuber YouTuber but I'm like he just beat Mike Perry who was killing it and Bar boxing yeah he was like on top but I don't want to give credit it would have been interesting to see him fight Mike Perry bare knuckle though a that that's that changes everything that changes everything Mike Perry is the best at that [ __ ] but that's a different it's interesting how that's a different sport because it really is a different sport it's a whole different thing when your hands aren't covered and you feel those bones piercing your skin it's a mindset too yeah it's like he's a 100% human Pitbull that's a 100% human Pitbull that guy has no quit no quit you know [ __ ] throws caution to the wind at every possible occasion you can hit him he's going to hit you back he he knows how to take punishment he likes it he likes getting hit he broke uh Rocko's teeth yeah and I was like broke Luke Rocko's teeth he's way bigger too Rocko yeah well imagine okay how about him and MVP okay him and MVP with the gloves on an MMA fight you favor MVP right I favor MVP MVP is super hard to hit he's got crazy distance management those kicks and that distance and the long length but he decided to take a challenge and fight Mike Perry bar knuckle because he thought look I can move better than anybody I am I am the most elite mover in all of MMA and I'm G to fight this flat-footed Meathead psychopath and that flat-footed Meathead psychopath just walked him down and dropped him a couple times in there yeah man crazy crazy it changes everything changes everything and just the scarring on like your knuckles and your faces after that yeah yeah your face is getting sliced open but they're starting to pay these guys when you see guys like Eddie Alvarez and Chad menes go over there you're like yeah a McGregor like a owner part of it now too yeah but McGregor's gring though after Mike Perry lost and he said yeah I've cut it on out like bro who's just tweeted I wonder if this guy tweeted for himself he's tweeting for fun apparently Mike Perry has a piece of uh bare knuckle too oh does he yeah I think that's what he said he's like I'm one of the owners too [ __ ] he's the face of it like there's like I wouldn't even be watching it if my par wasn't on there I think uh regular boxing is just very different it's very different what you can get away with you know the fact that you you can't really clinch and punch the way those guys do and bare knuckle boxing those guys are getting grimy there's a lot of dirty boxing in there it's uh it's just so different when those bare Knuckles touch you just so different it's a different you can't guard as much you're you're still stuff's getting through yeah you don't have them big cushions in front of you those big cushions mean a lot man yeah they stop a lot of [ __ ] it's wild the difference is even when we're sparring with big gloves or sparring with smaller gloves that we have it's like it changes everything changes everything yeah and then but with even no no padding on your knuckles like you don't even want to throw as hard right yeah right and your wrist will break easily so you have to punch a specific way I think they they both they all have like a different format of even the way they punch they just hold their wrist in a a a different way like this or something like that yeah like you remember them old timey boxing guys they all were holding their their punches like this those bare knuckle guys they all fought like this they jabbed each other like this they were just trying to only hit with these two Knuckles yeah when we were younger we would do that like we're going to punch somebody in the like the knee or something like that we put that knuckle out there even like you're think how stupid it was but I mean you could use it a bare knuckle well you could definitely use it an eyeball you know if you punch something like that on purpose to the eyeball like that's that's real I want is there has there been eye pokes in uh a lot of eye pokes in their uh fighting that's a good question I don't remember any yeah like I haven't really even thought about that but I don't think feel like there has I think in MMA a lot of them come from this a lot of them come from that distance management yeah you know and I think thato I think one point every time Pok someone Z one point and no one will ever do that again everybody will keep their hands closed yeah you poke someone with the fingers one time one point it should be trained like even at our practice if somebody's putting their fingers out I tell them like Yo close your fist yeah that should be like a natural it shouldn't be yeah even thought it shouldn't even be a habit well just such a natural instinct to try to push a guy away from you yeah and if a guy's coming at you and you're trying to push him away those fingers go right in there man you see the Wiman fight oh my God yeah oh my God oh my God and then that's one of those to where you're like same thing bro right but then I'm like annoyed by widan CU I'm like bro you you did poke him in the eye but he's he's saying like oh he shouldn't have fell like that I'm like bro when you get poked in eye that bad yeah that was a referee's problem the referee should sto that should stopped that on that last highe poke for sure but maybe he didn't see it maybe wasn't in a position to see it yeah it's just it's hard even I mean I understand how hard it is for a ref even with stopping fights looking at somebody uh who was this weekend Gerald mirar where he was getting beat up and then all a sudden he caught him with the submission after that you're like some refs would have stopped the fight in that round so it's like the good refs that you know give you a longer leash and then the shorter refs yes that uh Dominique Cruz you and domini Cru you hates you for the rest of your life cuz you stop a fight too early who did uh Jared caner get stopped by who was his uh Jared not the last fight but the fight before that there was a bad stopp off IM yes that's right and that was another one of those situations the same kind of situation where you're like that's not a stoppage he's standing up he's up yeah you know the last one he got hurt Harder by Balo where he got dropped that that looked worse than the fight where he got stopped previously and if you beat imab off yes you end up you're T contention again cuz he was on a streak but now you're on a two fight losing streak yeah and he's 40 a ref stopped it yeah yeah it's crazy how those little moments in a fight can change the entire career of a fighter you never know like at any moment something screwy can happen you know so is this it so here it is imov is hitting him with some good shots for sure Jared's definitely getting hit but he's firing back and the referee stops it and he's like what the [ __ ] are you doing and Herzog is a good ref he's a very good ref and he faced some serious criticism after that fight and I think you know he made a mistake yeah you know he was probably trying to save Jared from further punishment he thought it was over but Jared was like I got a lot left I was not as badly hurt as you thought you know what the thing is the problem is when a guy is teeing off on you even if you're not getting hurt it looks bad even if you're moving away and covering up and you're you're getting out of the range you're stumbling around you yeah it looks bad but you could still come back and you got to give the guy the opportunity to still come back you got to know you don't let him take shots when he's out but you got to give him the opportunity to be able to come back and when a guy's standing and still throwing back you got to give him a chance because fights are fights things change guys he might have got burned out from that because he emptied the gas tank we've seen that happen many times yeah and there's some Fighters that just like look bad and they make it look just cuz their their the body movement's weird you look I mean drus always looks like tired he com ands fight just that just don't have that that good look all the time take punches everybody's baffled by trickers oh my God like what is going on how's he beating everybody like what is going on like it's wild he's a bulldog that dude I I was stunned I was stunned by the osna fight I was stunned meis was looking good he was looking good but uh Jas was looking good too you know and Jas was Landing a lot of leg kicks he's got that real sneak left high kick too that that left high kick comes out of nowhere it's just awkward he just like mov so awkwardly awkward and but game yeah so game he has so much heart like even when he started taking those bad shots when he was shooting he was on his knees and I like oh he's about to break and then all of a sudden you see him still have a lot left in the tank oh he's a tank he is a tank he he he marches forward man and the way he capitalized he hurt Izzy with a couple good punches one good left hook he hurt Lizzy and Izzy moved away and then they got into another exchange he hit him with those two right hands from the clinch and then got his back and once he got his back it was like that yeah it was quick he went right to the choke right to the choke and cinched it up I mean between the time or he hit Izzy to the time where Izzy was tapping was just a few seconds yeah for me I thought I he like looked like he got a lot tired faster than he normally does and I was like he looked like he put a lot more muscle on yeah so that could have been a a key in it where it's his body wasn't used to moving like that maybe with the extra muscle but I was like bro he's moving a lot slower than usual in this third round I always wonder and I I was wanted to talk to him about this is if he was ever considered doing like one of those marinovich type camps so Marv marinovich they had this uh philosophy that the most important thing was your gas tank and you already know how to fight you already know how to fight all you're getting better has already been done and in the six weeks or eight weeks whatever your Camp is you should be only concentrating on cardio and they would do these explosive plyometric things and BJ hated it he hated it but if you look at his gas tank from those fights it was Unstoppable and when a fighter is not tired and the other fighter is tired and you realize all that work is paid off and you start putting it on them and you got this unlimited gas tank and you also have't been beat up in training for six to eight weeks because you're really not sparring you're really not doing much of anything other than your cardio they're just doing Plyometrics it's all just jumping around and [ __ ] it's all have you ever seen marar inov see if you can find Marv marinovic trains BJ Penn they had BJ doing all kinds of wild [ __ ] that's all they would do man wow that's all they would do Nick kerson came on the podcast he was a protege of those guys and that's his philosophy as well he was telling me that it's really at an elite fighter that's fighting a world championship fight they already know how to fight you just got to give them the Unstoppable gas tank and if you concentrate only on that it's the most important thing because when a fighter gets tired like when Izzy get tired in that fourth round with dricus you could see he's he's not the same Izzy in the first round that's like lightning fast and moving and countering and controlling distance and getting out of the range of shots this is a Izzy that's experiencing fatigue yeah but he already knows how to fight like the fighting is in his DNA at this point he knows how to [ __ ] people up yeah and if he had like here's here's BJ training with the marinovich so it's all these Plyometrics even with the arms it's all this explosive [ __ ] everything is done for time and distance and they they measure everything and he just breaks guys down physically to the point where when they get into that octagon they just have the craziest [ __ ] gas tank of all time it's an interesting philosophy yeah my mindset this going around Eagle ey Alex P spots Israel adna injury draws partial confession from stylebender he said this guy knows me said is he was injured he said he was noticing that he wasn't throwing kicks like he might have been injured and then Iz he was like it's almost like this guy knows me or something M so he's sort of admitting to being injured but not well they clash in a bunch of times I mean it could have happened in the fight but the problem is he was still tired yeah he's still tired I mean I'm sure he was injured yeah it's crazy fight you get injured in general camps you get so injured in camps yeah it's like the hardest thing like even if a fight's quick people don't realize that I just had a eight we camp of non-stop training you get more injuries in craning Camp than you do in the fight what's the worst injury you ever went into a fight with um it's funny I was uh I was in Australia and I was fighting Tim beans and then me and my coach were in the back warming up and then uh we ended up going like KNE to knee in the back during the warmup and like I I could have put my knee down to the ground after that and it was like before the fight so I was like what the heck I thought we just Clash knees so it was like sore so like even in the fight it just felt weird so then after the fight we went and uh I still could up put my KNE down to the floor for like two or three weeks and then I end up tearing my it was a torn meniscus oh wow yeah but like right the fight right before the fight we just like Clash KNE to knee and it's like you said it's so much random stuff that could happen to you cuz I like to spar in the back before my fights I like to like I like to feel it so I'll have them put a shinguards on a headgear and I'm throwing a lot harder than them um but I want to feel that so I can feel the distance so I want to go out to the fight like it's my third or fourth round right because I usually I usually start slow when I'm at practice but in the fight I want it to be going right away and I have like cardio for it so like I want to feel like it's the third round already when I go out there well they always say that you should do that anyway like really elevate your heart rate and then cool down and then compete yeah some guys like to hit Ms but for me I like to spar so I have my training partner come down there with me and then you got to have a controlled guy that's not going to hurt you but yeah we just go on the back we throw yeah wow yeah we're throwing so he have big gloves on and like I get to the point where I hit me because I want to feel it like even in this fight with Leon um he threw like 50 k kicks at me hard at the back wow so I wanted to go out there like all right my arms feel my legs feel it right and my body's ready going to adjust to it yeah that's so risky it's it's risky but I'm like I'm about to go in a fight anyway right right and once you get that adrenaline yeah like you don't really feel nothing and I'll feel it afterward but like the biggest risk is just a headbutt or like catching your blood or something like that so that's why I make him wear a headgear right and you know like I said you have to have the perfect training partner for it right where he's going to throw the right stuff at you he's there for you yeah yeah he's not going to not sparring he's there for you yeah to if I tell you I hit me right here hard he'll hit me here hard but it's not like we're not going to just sit there and bang in the back right right wow who who else does it that way I don't know we like for us we caught ourselves doing it like I'm feel like I'm one of the first guys to start doing it that I know and then I'll start telling my other teammates when I go Corner them like let's do the same thing and they'll like it too but yeah there's not a lot of guys that just I know a lot of guys that just like hitting Ms and then you go out there and then you start slower but for me I'm like bro we're going to fight like I don't need to hit Miss right now I'd rather feel you throwing punches at me so I catch distance yeah so I look at the punches coming at me and then I know where I'm backing up where I'm not backing up you're already loose for real loose yeah cuz even when I Spar I'm sparring like five or six rounds regardless so I know I could go five rounds easy in the cage especially with that extra adrenaline so like if I do those extra two rounds in the back it's not going to affect me and you're going into the fight completely warmed up yeah psychologically too like you're much closer psychologically to a fight than just hitting Ms and then all a sudden someone's throwing back yeah the mindset is the hardest thing right to get locked in because when I first started fighting I was like I'm another guy I don't like to curse but then I was like I was telling myself I gotta listen to rap music and I gotta curse as I'm in the back and I'm like trying to hit myself to hide myself up but because I feel like I'm too calm but my coach is like bro that's that's a good thing like you being calm is good for you you don't have to sit there and be something you're not so I was like all right well let's stay calm but then let's start adding and sparring so I feel that so I'll just get it was your idea yeah yeah wow yeah because you try different things at practices and i' be like all right when did I feel good at sparring I'll take notes of everything I felt good on this bar day and I did this type of drilling beforehand or I did this type of warm-up beforehand because my coach he's like he tries to mimic to fight with everything so he'll tell us all right warm up on your own Do Your Own Thing then we're going to get your five Spa rounds in the cage so for me I'm trying to adjust and make my style all right this helped me better today what did I eat today let me write that down this is when I felt the best I had the most energy doing this I had the most energy eating this so like now I got it down to like a system that I like more than anything what is the food you take before you train before I train yeah what's the stuff that makes you feel the best uh like white rice he'll uh usually my guy will make me like white rice eggs and like turkey bacon so it's protein with good carbs so like not heavy just fight fast yeah right yeah like I said before I would just think I have to starve myself and then he came in he's like bro like what are you doing like you you're not g to have good practices with this way but my mind said I don't really care because I was just like I know how to push myself no matter what yeah well having you've gone through camps with Ramadan and that's where it gets and you we should tell people there's ways to kind of make that a little easier on yourself where you sleep during the day and then you get up and then at night time once you can eat and drink then you do that but you don't do that yeah I've had I had multiple times multiple camps during it where I would still stick to my normal schedule of training where I'll train at 10:30 a.m. and I can't eat or drink in the morning so I wake up at uh 5 a.m. for our morning prayer you get your your last sip of water before the sunrises and then I'll have like a a protein shake uh a dates or something like that that'll give me some energy for the morning and then at 10:00 a.m. I have my morning practice and then I have another practice and you can't drink water in between rounds nothing no after the first so you're training with no water no water or food yeah so after like the first three or four days your body just adjust it it feels good honestly because it makes you feel like mentally you're in a different place like spiritually you're in a different place in general because it's Ramadan and that's where like for any Muslim that's like the best time because you're not stressing out about other things and you know that you're doing it for God and you know God's going to give you the strength to push through no matter what what so for myself for the reasons I'm doing it I know I could push through and I know that whoever I'm training for is not doing what I'm doing so I can push myself harder than them when it gets into the cage when I can drink when I can eat so I think mentally it just puts me in a different place but for fight camps like after it's time to break my fast when it sun and sun sets that's when I have to be the smartest that's where I got to put the carbs in a lot of protein in and then I got to make sure I'm getting my electrolytes my salts and just getting all those fluid back in like I just finished cutting weight right right because if I don't do it the right way then the next morning I'll would be screwed right cuz I'll feel super drained that's interesting so you got to treat it like you're cutting weight almost yeah so like every night I'm treating like a weight cut have my shakes have my uh protein that I'm getting in the right way and I I try to hit a certain at least a gallon and a half of water before bedtime M yeah okay yeah yeah so that it carries you on at least a little bit in the morning yeah and then like I said if first your body honestly just figures it out like but you would you wouldn't want to defend the title that way no no yeah that's what I'm talking about yeah well like I I've before I was trying to chase everything right I was trying to chase that the next ranked guy I was trying to chase this and I felt like I couldn't say no to anything right CU I was always looking for these guys to say yes and I can't waste an opportunity but now I am the opportunity now I am the champion so now I feel like it gives me more leeway to be like no I want I want to wait a little bit longer this one feels feels better for me my body's healthy now because it took me so long to get here so now I don't have to go through a camp during Ramadan for it well now it's about your legacy yeah as a champion yeah yeah and you and ex exactly all the things we' were been talking about before the little thing can change your life little loss here little loss there [ __ ] all taking those fights on 10 days notice yeah if the UFC calls you 10 days before an event just change your number change your [ __ ] number man don't let him talk you into it come on you can beat him like I know you work out all the time and you start thinking I do workout all the time and they're like we're going to offer you x amount of money like oh [ __ ] that's a lot of money and you start spending that money that's the hard part right now is because like like you said I for me I I hate saying no in general just because I had the fighter mentality like I ain't scared I'll say yes to to anything like the Gilbert Burns fight it was three weeks notice it was during Ramadan and they're like you win you know to do it for the fans that just bought their ticket to their first event and I was like yeah I do want to do it for those fans I I'm not afraid of Gilbert and Gilbert's like started chirping on Twitter like oh he's afraid he doesn't want to fight so then I'm like I do want to fight I'm not afraid of you so then I'd say yeah no matter what then it's like I'm thinking to myself bro I'm on a nine-fight winning streak I'm taking this fight on three weeks notice why did I do this I'm stupid like If I Lose I'm back of the line again I was one fight away now if I lose this fight I'm done yeah but yeah changes like your mindset but like Fighters are dumb like we we just want the glory no matter what I want to prove who I want to for me I want to prove everybody wrong it's like you have to temper that mindset yeah you know you have to think about the overall big picture because what got you to the dance is that mindset like anybody anytime let's go who am I fighting I'm ready I'm ready I'm ready I'm ready but now once you got the title it's like you got to keep the dog but you also got to be intelligent about what fights you take and when you take them yeah and no one don't fight injured you know there's so many guys that take fights I had a broken foot coming into this fight like what yeah afterward right yeah what and those are the guys that like for me as a fighter if I lose I I lost that's it I got hate guys who come up with a million excuses afterward right because then it like for the guy that won it's like people are not going to give them credit for that win and then for me like when I lost my fight it was like all right I got to change this I lost that's it like that was always my mindset don't give excuses if we're going into a fight injured we accepted it injured that's it that's it put it out of your head because if you go in there overthinking about it like I got an injured ankle I got a injured rib I no I should never took this fight in between rounds you never want to second guess yourself in the fight and for me I just try to clear my head of anything once we said yes our names on the contract that's it we're all in so who do you think is next there's talk of shavkat and there's talk of kamaro Usman right those are the ones that I hear mostly I think like you said for legacy wise Usman is obviously the bigger name and he was the guy that Dana said it was the the best Welter uh behind uh GSP or in front of GSP but for Boogeyman wise and to like shut up the naysayers I think it's sha cot because he is undefeated he is the guy that everybody thinks is this killer yeah and then for myself it's like either one of them does a lot for me Usman obviously probably bit bigger pay-per-view numbers and then beating him my resume is up there with GSP because then have Usman on my resume Leon Maya uh Wonderboy like all these bigname guys uh Gilbert Burns Brady and it's like look at that resume it's neck to neck with his right but shock ATS also that ah this Young Guy's gonna come out here and beat you right after being Leon everybody's comments oh sh you can't do the shat though shat will kill you and my my chip on my shoulder's like all right let's go I'm going to prove you guys wrong now I'm going to show you guys what I could do because I for me I when like you said with B pen where it was like the strength conditioning was his whole camp that one for us we strategize everything my coach is so good at breaking down stuff we're so good at breaking down Fighters that I have a game plan for everybody and a strategy for every single one of these Fighters and I already have a strategy for for shavkat I already have a strategy for for ran because I was chasing him so long and I've been watching tape on these guys for so long so I don't see anything from either one of them too where I'm looking at him like H I'm afraid of this guy because of this I'm afraid of this guy because of that I think Us's aough tougher fight than shot if I'm being honest but I do see many ways where I could beat them both because I have there's a lot of guys in the division that have to fight a certain way they're Specialists where they're either Grapplers or Strikers I I could strike with you I could grapple with you I could gra I could wrestle with you I can move laterally I can move forward like every time you see me in the cage it's something different and I think that that comes from my team and the strategy that we bring to to fighting we look at it like a real sport instead of I'm in shape let's go fight we look at like what's this guy's weakest point oh Leon can't move backwards let's move him backwards Gilbert Burns he can't take you down he's gonna he's gonna gas out let's he's not gonna take me down let's let's let's beat him up on the feet a little bit Brady he's only good on the ground all right let's strike with him it's like I look at guys and I look at fights in a different way than a lot of these other Fighters where some of these guys let's go in there I see red I don't care what happens right yeah I think for legacy usman's an important name um also because Usman probably won't be fighting that much longer you know he's kind of at the end of his career and I feel like the UFC owes him a little bit something for the hamzat fight takes hamzat on short notice that was like 11 days notice too right yeah AB crazy that's crazy that's crazy and it was close very close and he was winning the third round but I was I was going to say earlier about Ola and suuki and like that's another fight where I felt like that is a five round fight that should be a five round fight and Charles almost caught him a couple times in that fight I'm like that's a wild close fight between two top of the fu Jane guys it seems wrong to have that fight three rounds especially for number one Contender status yeah it it's like especially Charles who's been in there for so long right was the champion and he's like a different type of champion right he comes balls to the wall no matter what so even it's five rounds you're not expecting to go five rounds so but in general I felt like it should have been there and he almost caught him a couple times yeah he got real close a couple of times and Charles is I think he's the most successful finisher with submissions in the history of the sport yeah and now he's two fight losing streak himself yeah but the last one was so [ __ ] close and it's against zukan who's the top of the food chain yeah like that 155 PB division wo it's what what happens if Islam decides to go to 170 I mean for me I would never fight Islam but I mean if I get how do you do that though so what if you you're going to okay let's assume you beat Usman let's assume you beat shot I'm calling out drus is that what you do you go to really yeah wow yeah I feel if there's anybody that can and be willing who deserves it it would be me because I had to fight five top five guys to get to where I am now so I think at least two more then I can start talking about one middleweight so that's what you would do Islam would go to 70 and you'd go to 85 yeah for sure wow would you pack on size to go to 85 yeah I mean I would put on muscle but like in general I've trained with a lot of 85ers and I think I have good sides for 85 well drias is talking about going up to 205 and fighting Alex which is crazy so maybe he vacates the middleweight title or may you know who knows maybe he goes double champ status but I feel like there's so many guys at 85 for him still to fight oh yeah he's fought Izzy he's fought uh Strickland Whitaker he fought whiter you got Whitaker but now you still got the Young Guns right brenon Allen against IM the winner I feel like should be there hamz still there that people aren't even really talking about anymore wants to fight and you know I think hamza's at 70s the scariest hamzat but that's that weight Cut's crazy for him though is it what does he walk around at he I've seen him all and he looks like over like 215 that uh Michael Morales he just fought he just beat Neil Magny yes he came he came to train with us I brought him in for for Leon fight and he was like I was like bro you're huge he's like no yeah I'm like one 190 and then my coach like put him on the scale he's like 218 I was like bro I was like bro what do you mean what are you talking about like oh no I just had bad breakfast but I was like bro what did you eat you eat a whole ostrich the [ __ ] did you eat but he's so he's young and he's huge and I likeo it's not going to last long bro you you can't cut this much weight no he's he's big he's good too he's a dog he's good his just training with him he was like another one of those guys we brought in and it was like he was a perfect training partner where he didn't like have ego where I'm fny somebody in my weight class he's undefeated he could come in and say oh he's fighting for the B let me go crazy with him no he was such a good kid yeah he fought trained really well with us and then to see him get out there and finish Neil Magny who thinks like the perfect gatekeeper for any like upand Comer right the yeah he's that test where you go past them it's like you're real deal ex yeah that's the real deal and he looked great in that fight yeah he's a real contender there's so many real contenders yeah and the your division is just so filled yeah people forget man like even Gary uh JDM like all these guys people forget about Jeff Neil you know yeah Jeff Neil's a [ __ ] killer he's going against RDA now yeah that's funny that's funny that's a wild fight yeah I W RDA was another guy who trained with Nick kerson yeah he was using that sort of uh that when RDA was in his prime yeah him in that uh him in his cardio days where he could just go non stop punching striking wrestling that's what we're talking about though that's what it was wow he was doing that same kind of workout with Nick kerson that's wild does he still train people kerson um I'd have to reach out I bet he still does I know he was training a bunch of other athletes in a bunch of different sports as well you know but uh his whole thing is Plyometrics and foot strength and your ability to move and continue to move it's it's interesting because I see both ways I see like look Sean Strickland is the craziest [ __ ] cardio of anybody right because all all that guy does is Spar he's fighting every day he spars more than anybody in the UFC and he gets hit less that's nuts yeah that's nuts so his cardio is from his being completely comfortable with fighting all the time and I'm sure he does other things too but most of what if you talk to like Nick sick and all those guys that train with him most of the stuff what he does is Spar yeah he just loves sparring he loves getting in there and sparring and he spars stupidly stupidly yeah stupidly yeah there's guys that'll like Spar light and Spar for like distance and managing and stuff and there's guys that like going just want to throw it on I'm like this guy's like but he doesn't get hit much the reason why he's so good at that first of all that style is so weird stands straight up has the Philly shell and throws punches in weird angles and he's just peppering you peppering you peppering you keeping them on you keep teep to the body front kick to the body peppering you keeping on you it's a weird style man yeah it's a weird style it's like agitating especially if you're a guy like adna who wants that distance and wants it to look pretty to have somebody who's like striking look so ugly just in front of you just non-stop yeah or like against uh what's his uh boia where he just threw like 55 TS at him every round yeah I was shocked at that fight but that was a good example of how hard he is to hit he's [ __ ] hard I mean cuz I think you know for some reason I I don't know what happened but I think that I think some Fighters they just have like when when he when um stylebender beat bohena like he was kind of a different guy after that fight you know there's some guys they have a fight and for whatever reason they never are the same guy again and it's not even a bad beating it might be like a psychological thing yeah I think it's the undefeated thing he was undefeated in that then you get your first loss and you like you don't have that same mindset anymore mhm because you were killing everybody then all of a sudden you lose and you lose by finish you're like yeah was I not as good as I thought I was and you get dry humped yeah is he dry humped Izzy has the best celebrations like after any fight the fight with Pera when he knocks Pera out he shoots the three arrows into him that's the greatest to be like thinking about that beforehand is just wild and then to like put it out there it was so beautiful said he did think about that I think he just did that in the moment in the moment yeah yeah that's wild well you Alex always shoots arrows at you in the beginning I don't think there's a better there can't be a better celebration than that one like no it's the best nothing's going to come close it's the best and then the speech afterwards makes it even better yeah you know the speech was incredible that was really good yeah do you think we ever see the the third one who knows man I don't know if Izzy wants to fight that dude again I don't think he wants to fight him at 205 I think 205 you don't get a drained Alex you get a destroyer what he just did to prasa everybody's got to be nervous all he has to do is one shot just touch you once and I think at 185 he doesn't take a shot as well either I think that draining of your body and you know your brain dehydrates the whole deal D and Dria said if he fights him again he doesn't want any excuses so he doesn't want Alex to come down to 85 he wants to go up to 205 yeah but if you're fighting him like if your first move is not shooting a single leg I don't know what like what kind of coaching you have right cuz that should be your first goal at least in the first round try to Grapple him something yeah you got to do something you never want I never want to sit there and go toe-to-toe with them it's just too dangerous it's weird it's like some guys just have weird power yeah it's it's weird it's like it's different than everybody else's by a magnitude so a large gap between his power and everybody else's and with everything with kicks with punches anything he hits you that scissor knee that he hit melus with oh yeah and it feel I feel like he's always sparring too himself he's always like posting videos of sparring with like the normal classes y it's not like he's even have like crazy training Partners no he spars light he'll Spar light even sparred light with Strickland it's the only time Strickland spars light Strickland goes in there spars with him he's like let's just touch each other yeah I don't want even want to feel it with big gloves on yeah [ __ ] all that yeah and he's talking about going to heavyweight which is even crazier him against Aspen will be wild though wild but you got to think Aspen can take him down but what his ego want him to take him down or like all right let me show you I can strike with you I think Aspen the moment he realiz if if he can hit him on his feet he'll try but if he can't the taked Down's always there so that's and he's so much bigger I mean Aspen's a solid 255 and I think he's a blackb as well right yeah yeah Wicked on the ground and he's had nothing but success other than that one time where he fought Curtis and his his knee blew apart but that you know that's just a freak accident yeah it's it's crazy right like I people so many random things could happen in a fight or that could happen and then you look at guys that are undefeated for so long and people don't respect how hard that is to get there mhm yeah it's a crazy sport man it really is and for you what a journey to be 23 years old and step into a gym for funsies you know just try to learn a little martial arts what the hell next thing you know you're the champion of the world it's wild that's wild man yeah it's it's it's a blessing right like just thinking about the whole journey man like spiritually it puts you into a different mindset too because you just thank God for everything no matter what and for myself thinking of what like I said I was going to school to try to be a lawyer and I always told my mom yeah I'll quit when I lose and it's like now I could have went from that to being able to do something like this every single day being able to train every day that kind of a fight a world title fight your first world title fight at 5: in the morning in another country bananas yeah just a crazy accomplishment enemy territory enemy territory people di tired tired enemy sleepy like but it's wild cuz the the fans out there were crazy there were still so many fans we had we ended up having a parade the that same night because we got out of the fight it was like at 7 a.m. and then uh we had people out there that set up like a parade for Us in Manchester oh wow yeah and the streets were like crazy p it was it was full wow so you just stayed up it was yeah cuz it was like 7:00 a.m. so I'm like went back to the house and you know everybody wants to come see you now so we're just chilling and then all of a sudden it gets to like noon and you take your try to everybody's taking a power nap now cuz we were off from the night before at midnight so it came up to like 2 3:00 and then everybody started falling asleep so for myself I'm still wide awake I mean we watch the fight and then they were like let's go get some food and they like surprised me with like a huge parade at like one of their busiest streets in Manchester oh wow and they shut like they said the streets got like shut down but they have like a huge Muslim population over there in uh England area so like a lot of the even before the fight I was getting a lot of messages from people like you're not an enemy territory this is your home and we were blessed out there CU people took care of us the whole time my team had food everything every single day like even the gym when I was first looking for myself a lot of the gyms I was messing out there were like uh no you can't like we don't you're fighting Leon we can't open the doors for you right yeah but then then we met some guys that like open up their gym for us and they were like lawyers driving us around at 4:00 a.m. they had other jobs but they were driving us around staying up with this at 4: a.m. and then having to go to work at like 9:00 a.m. wow yeah well they're probably excited to be a part of it yeah and that's what they a lot of them said like you know we're just happy to be here we don't want nothing from you it yeah it was such a cool thinging and you meet just like new friends right new new people and it was for my team for my family like to have that Journey all all of us together my dad went my mom didn't go what did it feel like when they put that belt around your waist it was wild uh because like I try to think back to it and for me at first it was like I told you so like I I told you I could beat Leon like that was my mindset the whole time I didn't want to think about the belt it was more so to be like I beat Leon I you guys thought I was going to lose to him every single I had to live with it for three years of everybody telling me I'm gonna lose to this guy he was he would have beat you the last four rounds he would have killed you and for myself for that it was just like I told you I could do it I told you I was better than him and his coach and his team were all talking trash to me before the fight so just to like rub it in their face but then for me to have like to be able to wear the the title right and to like be able to to carry my flag with the title and to show people what's possible because I I mean obviously you know what's going on right now in the world for Palestine for them to have a Champion right now to for them to have a win from that fight that meant more than anything because I was getting so many messages from them the we had people in uh in Gaza that were watching video of it and it was kids at a refugee camp they were watching videos of the fight and it was such an amazing thing yeah there's you and then even for my coach right there Mike Valley he's a small gym he doesn't talk big right and for for me to stick with him and for us to do it together from the start uh now he has another world champion we're literally a tiny G in there and he does so much for a lot of his Fighters he brings a lot of guys in from Chile Mexico and he puts them in like Apartments doesn't charge them rent just like helps them grow from from their start he tells them you just have to work hard that's amazing man yeah so yeah a lot of it just comes back down for for my people in general me it was just to prove everybody that I could beat them I could beat Leon I told you so but now we got a real title and just attention so so for me it's like using that now you're calling the shots congratulations brother thank you my brother very impressive amazing it's it's a blessing man I'm blessed to be here to talk to you I'm blessed to be able to like for people now to know my story hear my story and in general if I get to have conversation like this and carry this belt around people will look at me and look at themselves with the dream that that's the parade yeah it was that it was that what a picture God damn what a great picture that picture's incredible that looks like a fake picture look like AI it's it's so perfect they literally had smoke and everything it was it was wild that's amazing bro yeah I was I was so surprised by the whole thing that's amazing well I can't wait to see you fight again man I can't wait to see you defend your title whoever it's going to be I hope I'm there I can't wait to see it my brother I appreciate it hopefully hopefully it's in the the the us so you can come a commentator yeah hopefully hopefully all right well congratulations thank you brother bye everybody [Music] [Applause] [Music]