Chris Reed RESIGNS from Morning Star and Rick Joyner Calls Him Deceived...

like oh Chris came out with a like resignation letter and Rick Jordan was like oh no oh no I will tell you what happened Chris is basically like I have nothing bad to say I am stepping aside because I feel called to some different things Rick's like I've seen this many times over people get very deceived Chris is very deceived W and wake up and win what's up guys welcome back to another episode of the wake up and win podcast uh we're your host blae and this is my wife Christina Fay she's been out and about we have definitely been missing her and what's been going on where you been been busy we should be running and gunning again here uh with some more dual episodes so I think everybody missed you oh I missed you me and you let's dive in um we'll we'll do an IHOP KC update for everybody soon but we wanted to hit this one because apparently this just happen like in the last 24 or 48 Hours Chris Reed of morning star of Morning Star are uh step down is that that based yeah you might remember him from his don't look back or you'll turn into a pillar of salt sermon immediately following the allegations against Mike pickle of IHOP KC he was like their special guest speaker and gave the strangest strangest sermon immediately following it basically telling everybody to not look back and move forward yeah and then and then he um he then he came out and did a I believe Jane Doe video and apologized kind of did an apology video to in response to everybody saying hey what are you doing and he said Joel Richardson is not the son of Satan he did that was a good point he made too just a lot of very strange things and then he deleted his Twitter he's gone yeah there's a lot there's a lot there and honestly I kind of feel for the guy um as far as like whatever is going on right now cuz Joiner put out a statement which we'll get into here saying he thinks Chris Reed is deceived so it's a really interesting kind of situation here all I can say looking at it I think that he needed to make this move I don't really know why he's making this move guess we'll find that out hopefully but um one way or another I think joiner's initial statement about Mike back in right after everything broke he just said this is a big nothing Burger now we realize that Mike is sadly what I've come to find out through multiple conversations not just everything that we've read but all these different conversations about those real close to him like the guy was just in he was like had main character syndrome like the ultimate narcissist the ultimate prophetic history is basically his and everybody needs to fall in line on the prophetic history like he just grandios ideas about himself and his own movement and so for and all these like for Tammy woods and all these people to come out with their statements and then Rick never to swing back around yeah but instead Rick's going to come out and say Chris Reed's deceived but he's not going to swing back around be like oh by the way I was absolutely wrong on the nothing Burger statement yeah I might have read uh Rick joiner's statement about Chris Reed differently than you cuz I did read that he was deceived but um I feel like he's saying he's deceived because he's stepping down that's kind of what that's what I was picking up on is like he's stepping down so he's dece was like I kind of think maybe Chris should have stepped down but let's dive in and read this and um let's do it let's just read from the beginning okay cool hey guys real quick just want to let you know that this podcast is brought to you by wake up and win Insurance helping clients with their term life whole life index universal life as well as Retirement options such as overfunding index universal life and utilizing annuities for families we definitely happy to help you if you'd like to have a consultation then just click the link below I'm happy to talk to you zero pressure if you need my help I can definitely help you okay take care and keep enjoying the podcast all right dear Morning Star staff employees and friends after much prayer thought and consideration along with Missy and trusted friends I have decided to fully and immediately step down from all leadership responsibilities at Morning Star Ministries this includes my roles as CEO president and senior pastor of the Fort Mill Church turning the ministry back over to Rick Joiner the founder of Morning Star I submitted my letter of resignation on Monday August 26 2024 and it was graciously accepted I know this may come as a surprise and perhaps even a shock to some of you please believe me when I say this was not an easy decision I am heartbroken there are many reasons behind this choice but Prim primarily after 3 years of serving here including over a year as coo and president I have come to realize that I cannot continue this role my calling has always been and remains to prophesy Pastor teach preach and write that is why I have made the decision to return fully to what God has called me to do I will continue to write and build an online model of house churches led by Regional Elders based on the acts 242 model I have received from the Lord additionally I will continue to train and Lead others in an online school of the prophetic similar to what I created with the school of the prophets at some point I plan to relay and start a new church in another part of South Carolina even though right now I have capital letters no money and will be unemployed as many of you are aware in the late spring of 2023 allegations surface against a former volunteer and police officer these crimes took place before I took over we immediately told the police and this was reported in the news I never met the man or his family this individual committed terrible crimes against miners Missy and I stand unequivocally with the victims and their families so I guess this guy was a youth volunteer or a youth pastor when he did this at morning former volunteer and police officer gotcha yeah I condemn his actions in the strongest terms in the strongest possible terms this is also why I hired an external group to train our staff on sexual abuse awareness and how to safeguard miners oh hang on there's another page the issue hits close to home for both Missy and me as we both experience the evils of sexual abuse when we were children by non-relatives something that has haunted me throughout my life since it happened when I was just 7 years old that's very sad very sad yeah I want to take this moment to personally thank each of you for your trust hard work support and ideas a special thanks to Rick and Julie who have been so good to us Missy and I love the entire leadership team staff and members of Morning Star I was only able to do my job here because of all of you I'm truly grateful for all the experience and knowledge I have gained during my time at Morning Star it has been an honor and privilege to work with such wonderful people many of you become clo have become close friends and I'm confident those friendships will last for life I understand that my sudden resignation may cause some disruption and I apologize for any inconvenience this may create however I hope you can understand and support this transition while miss Morning Star I'm excited about this next chapter in my life and believe deeply in the future ahead for Morning Star as well I've nothing but respect and honor for the leadership of Morning Star Ministries I have no negative feelings towards anyone here I simply find myself in a position where I can no longer lead the ministry I hope you understand and that we can remain friends with gratitude and love Chris Reed wow the thing that struck me was um at at the beginning where he said um where he said my calling has always been to to teach Pastor or to prophesy teach right and Pastor I'm like that's everything you get to do at Morning Star because P being a pastoral I get that he'd be like well there's a lot of uh people work in the Pastoral like meeting with people and meetings and doing this and but that's pastoring that's part of pastoring so so if you don't want to p P that's one thing but don't put he said he does he said his calling and remains to prophesy Pastor like if you just want to be an online Prophet then just say that or if you want to be a writer if you want to write quotes but you literally say you want a pastor but you have to step down because you don't want a pastor I'll be honest and this is uh this is something that I kind of you know in in some ways I don't relate to him at all in this but like but I'll say this like when I think back to when I left IHOP and I was telling Stuart that I was leaving IHOP it was it was very uncomfortable because I knew that he would disagree with me I knew that he didn't think I should leave he told me that your calling is here he told me that many times or at least one time strongly and so leaving to start my own Ministry back in 2012 I definitely felt like there was no good way to say it and I wasn't in such a visible role as Chris Chris is in a in a very big role at Morning Star but also a national role to where he has to make this big public statement yeah if I look back in my email to Stuart I'm like here's my twoe notice I feel called to do this you know and and then when we talk on the phone he's like you're not making the right decision basically and so I kind of I part of me feels for the guy I hope he's not in any trouble I hope he hasn't done anything wrong because if he has then that that changes my comments a little bit but what are your thoughts well yes I hope it's not anything like with all of these pastors resigning right now like dropping like flies it feels like yeah over these pretty intense terrible allegations right it's hard to have another one in the midst of it and not it's hard to think that he's not something's not going on right so that's kind of a bummer and then the only thing I can say in his defense as far as the whole Pastor part is he does um emphasize including over a year he's been the CEO and president that makes sense so I can assume that that's like a lot more of like business type role maybe not ping as much because he's the CEO so running it like a business you know so that's the only thing I can think of as far as wanting to do more of the other which to us it looks like he does a lot of but maybe he's doing a lot of the business side of it being the CEO and president so I do want to like say that um but yes I thought it was very strange that he's capital letters like I have no money by the way it kind of makes you wonder like so what are you saying like Morning Star didn't take care of you they're not taking care of you in your exit is this like are you throwing shade or I don't think he's throwing shade I don't think he's throwing shade or asking for donations I actually get the sense and and Chris and I have only talked online once like privately in DMS and he gave me his numbers and call me this was during that the height of everything and we never talked on the phone um and then he disappeared and he disappeared I get the sense that he is having a very hard time right now with everything that's gone on in the last year and that he's trying to it and I don't I don't get the sense that he's done something terribly wrong and he's trying to run from it although I could be wrong I hope that's not the case Chris I hope I hope that's not the case if you have I think that you should go ahead and just say it kind of like what was the what was that pastor's name big Pastor um black guy in his late 60s or 70s and he just stepped down said I did something wrong a while ago and then now it's like it seems like it's coming out it's like dude why didn't you just say what you did just say what you did so I hope if Chris has done something he'll just say it just name it and be done cuz otherwise the internet people are going to do what they do and they're going to find it I will say too obviously we have no idea um if I had done something wrong if he has done something wrong it seems like there is no safer place to be than morning star next to Restoration Rick so so part of me is like maybe he's like seeing all of this and fed up with it is like I don't want to be a part of this I can't be a part of this I don't want to be connected to Rick Joiner and Morning Star which didn't stand his letter he said he loves them all that stuff but I'm like if you really that is what you say what are you going to say I can't stand these people they're all frauds like you can't say that um so part of me wants to believe that because if there are some serious allegations like Rick is your guy right like you're going to be restored you may not even be taken off the stage like you're good no you're in a safe place right now you're just a nothing it was just a nothing Burger whatever you did yeah so part of me wants to be wants to believe it's his own life conscience being like I don't want to be a part of this anymore so I'm going to do my own thing I'm going to do this which but then there's that part of you too where it's like okay whenever you're doing your own online prophetic Ministry in your own school there's like even less accountability right because you're doing your own thing so it's like either way it's just there's no accountability anywhere as I look at this whole system and it's not like I think you know this is a whole different conversation but you and I have talked about this where we were looking at well okay you there's all these people that are like the Nar is the most dangerous thing I'm like because you see all this breaking apart or all this uh these scandals it's because they're Nar it's like dude you go look at the Catholic Church the most structured thing on the planet that was the first scandals that started hitting the fan like years ago in the last decade and so like anywhere you go now you get the SBC super structured not Nar and it's like like still left and right you see these people dropping left and right like these pastors that are like predators and so what is what is the solution like there's got to be something more um like I I don't know what the solution is frankly but with you saying that I do want to go on the record and say that we are not Nar I like literally didn't even know what Nar was oh yeah some some guy on Twitter said Nar birds of a feather flocked together whenever we hung out with Joel Richard I'm like Joel is like what like Joel is not Nar we're not Nar it's like I didn't even know what Nar was and from what I've like just in the past year learned about it that's definitely not us um but anyways just want to say that as it sounds like you may be depending n which I know you're not what you're saying it happens across the board no matter what denomination or belief this seems to be Aug problem exactly and so charismatic non-charismatic Nar nonar SBC I don't really know what Nar is I just know National Apostolic reformation and anybody that believes that I think that these guys would say anybody that believes that there's a modern Apostle is Nar I think that's what they would say or a modern day Prophet they would say that's Nar it's like dog I think that there's modern day prophets like I don't know who they are I am not one I don't know who they are and I don't quite know you know I'm definitely uh I think there's prophecy for sure there is biblical prophecy still it's that is something you see in the New Testament uh following Christ's Resurrection he's gone and you have prophets like agabus coming through town and saying things and those things happening so like what is you know anyway I think that's people can Define that differently too I think you can Define what a profit is even differently like I'm not into people like saying people's social security number from stage you know like that's not prophecy that's there's a l believe that doesn't mean you think that every person self-proclaimed Prophet that stands on stage and tells people their address is legit that's right to totally totally but anyways that's another conversation um for another day I think that's definitely another conversation for another day so I think but Chris Reed is definitely Nar right or is he definitely not I don't knowa I don't know but I'm sure know is that like I'm sure Lil Fred can tell Mali made well Fred will tell us all I know is that Malakai made uh Greg lock um an apostle and he is the person that can Apostle people Apostle people he can apostolize you Malachi can make an apostle okay he makes Apostles so anyways let's read let's read Rick's reply's reply Rick's reply Rick's rants Rick's replies let's check that which is just as bizarre um do you want to read this one um and your best Rick Joiner voice I don't think I actually have a rick Joiner voice and I can't find it I've got it right here if you want to read it let's see I feel like we should put it on the screen too where is it where did you find it um this one is uh alter alter of inquiry there we go yeah okay statement on Chris Reed resigning from Morning Star by Rick Joiner sorry all right uh this resignation may seem bizarre and Confused to th confused to those who have followed and I hope this will clear some things um first I want to thank all who have communicated your prayers and support for Chris and for us this is a serious situation I've seen this kind of thing several times over 50 plus years I've been in Ministry and I've seen it Rob some of very powerful gifts of years and years of effective Ministry one was me as this deception Came Upon me and cost me more than 10 years of minut what is the deception I saw it cost Bob Jones eight years of his ministry and I and I think it cost Paul Cain his ultimate purpose it is the most deceptive Spirit I've ever dealt with and right now I think Chris Reed is in a battle for his future later I will elaborate on this in much more detail because I have witnessed many Christians LED astray from their purpose by this with an incalculable cost to the body of Christ however I've seen some wake up get restored even when they had lost many years of effective service the Lord make this up to them for this reason I never gave up on anyone regardless of how far they seem to get many many of the Great voices in scripture and history also experienced this not all recovered but those who did were used in an even greater way Chris has an important calling for this time and I feel at least partially responsible understanding this as I do for not seeing this coming at him I could have done better at helping him resist it even so whether in a short or long time I am confident Chris will get through this and take his place doing what he's called to do this is not to imply that leaving Morning Star will cost people their per well it comes across that way that's how I felt at IHOP leaving IHOP was abandoning my calling abandoning like whatever that's how I felt at the Garden too yeah like if you're not here you at our local church in Greenville where we yeah where we left many come to Morning Star for a period of time to get what they will need from us and then leave to go on to their purpose as to as to Scandal of how several of the youth at Morning Star were sexually abused by a volunteer worker that was a police officer this is true as soon as we heard about this we called the police who came and investigated it and charged the man responsible we did everything we knew to do to cooperate with the investigation and help the victims and their families get healed of the terrible assault overall we felt that the victims and their families dealt with this remark with remarkable Grace but one decided to sue us that's saying SU is not dealing with Grace it's such a weird sentence it's like most of the families handle this with Grace what but this family that sued us did not handle it with Grace Rick that is terrible that is a terrible take yeah that's a l take L that's a l take Rick they alleged many outrageous things about the ministry that were not true none of the leaders of Morning Star were charged with anything or were in any way involved in this there was no negligence found on our part there was there was drinking and pornography given to underage minors by the police officer charge but to our knowledge none of this happened at morning star or or our property but the police were brought in in a professional agency to investigate us our vetting methods and to find anything that was negligent on our part for anyone especially one of God's people to be subject to this type of thing because of negligence on our part would have been the most terrible things I could think of the conclusion that was reported to me was that we had not done anything wrong or been negligent in any way of course the lawsuit filed at alleg alleges differently and accuses the ministry of some very outrageous things that are not true I'd like to see what those things are because these accusations are so outrageous we do not intend to settle but want to go to court where we are confident we can prove our innocence that's interesting this being said we are grieved by what happened to these young men and the hurt has it has caused everyone touched by it even though we may have been innocent in the negl in our negligent or been innocent NE anyway he's saying we're innocent we have offered to take care of the counseling Ministry needed by these families because we want to help any of God's people who he has put in our care get healed from any spiritual or emotional wounds and turn what the devil meant for evil into good as God is so good at doing in these times this kind of thing is getting much more frequent we are seeking to use it as much as we can to help what I'm curious if that means that they will pay for counseling by the choosing of the victim can choose counselor if they're like we will counsel you through this I think that's probably what he's saying is that they're offering counseling there which is kind of but who knows what the actually means in these times this kind of thing is getting much more frequent and we are seeking to use it as much as we can to help any victims of it that statement doesn't make sense that part doesn't um this is a brief on some of the things we have been dealing with at Morning Star but as we experienced many times before when there are such attacks they are followed by a great move of God which we have also been experiencing we believe all this is happening to give us more wisdom knowledge and authority to deal with the devil's schemes in our time I will share in more detail later when I have the time to hopefully help others to deal with such things we must always keep in mind that the Lord will always lead us in his Triumph and everything and he causes all things to work for good for those who love him are called according to his purpose so we Never Surrender never give up and never lose our peace and joy in the Lord that is our strength so this is strange because it feels like Chris resigns and was like all we're all good love them love this and then he kind of throws on the bus and he's like he's deceive he's dealing with the same stuff that Paul Kane and Bob Jones did which is like really sketchy stuff some people you don't want to be in the same like category as that's how it that's how I read it I was like oh Chris came out with a like resignation letter and Rick Jordan was like oh no oh no I will tell you what happened I will be the one to tell you what happened which I mean whatever but and basically Chris is basically like I have nothing bad to say I am stepping aside cuz I feel called to some different things Rick's like I've seen this many times over people get very deceived Chris is very deceived and he's losing his calling B basically that's what Rick is saying about Chris Chris might be restored but he's losing his calling and he's not really telling us what that means he said I'll tell you more later oh and by the way this did happen at our church these bad things did happen and this was true and being sued but none of what we're being sued for is true there's no negligence on our part we're good people Etc I'm still waiting for Rick to come out and say whoops I missed the boat on my good friend Mike Bickle also he said that he experienced this deception and lost 10 years of ministry because of it so like what is he talking about what the deception 10 year situation that I mean I guess we can dig in and see yeah who knows I've never heard of that but who knows what's the deception what's the spirit of deception that Chris is under and why not just let Chris leave in peace and be like yeah Chris is leaving on to something different instead he has to make this big statement Chris is deceived Chris is losing his calling and this is why I kind of have a soft spot in my heart here for Chris as he's leaving because I've seen this when I've left Ministries before and Ministries that feel like they are the center of God's plan and he's literally saying no no no we're not the center people get their purpose at Morning Star sometimes and go on to the next thing it's like why are you why are you uh why do you have to say that yeah I always think I'm like okay why do you have to add that in that like it's not like leaving Morning Star means this it's like yeah nobody thinks that look what Darren hibb said here Darren says based on Rick's statement it sounds like he's saying Chris has been involved with someone other than his wife which that could be the case I'm hoping that he's comparing him to right if he's comparing to Bob Johnson because Paul Kane had the problem with imorality Bob Jones had abuse in his history um and so I don't know what he's saying here regarding did did Chris do something and if he did then he probably needs to step away from pastoring and ministering that would be a good thing on his part but he should come clean with it yeah because he's saying like otherwise it sounds like Rick joiner's going too yeah exactly so what do you guys think leave a comment below let us know your thoughts um we're hoping for the best for Chris I really am I hope that if he' just done something um that has been immoral or abusive or uh or worse that he would actually just come clean with it to the body of Christ if if uh if he has not then I would hope that Rick would you know I don't know like yeah I I would like to hear I want to hear Rick joiner's next statement because he says when he has more time he'll go into more detail but oh he's proba busy right now because he's busy but um he did say that like it cost Paul Kaine his like calling and Bob Jones so it kind of also sounds like he feels like Bob Jones and Paul Kane like should have kept moving forward in their Ministry which I feel like they did but but you know I mean it's almost even excusing anything that they were accused of that's true like it's very like so him comparing Paul Kane and Bob Jones to Chris Reed is not a good look if Chris has not done anything along those lines of of essay but it's also like showing again where Rick joiner's head is as far as ministers and how like and it shows you why he cares could care less about what Mike Bickle did to any of these victims right and why he thinks Mike Bickle should trudge ahead oh and by the way uh um yeah we'll have more to say regarding Mike and what's going on because there's been no accusations against minors not not with within the walls of IHOP KC and also uh stuff with Truman property trying to move they're trying to move that prophecy andik David par it we'll here soon but there's definely lot going on there and um I know we've been gone for a while but uh hey we did it before we'll do it again wake up and win is back and uh yeah any final thoughts on on the I saw a video one time this is this just came back to me I I remember seeing a video whenever the old Chris Reed stuff came out about the pillar of salt stuff of I think it was Paul Kane correct me if I'm wrong Paul Kane literally praying for Chris Reed giving him the mantle of William BR mantling him and there's a video on YouTube of that well what he was praying for was that that Chris would not believe the lies about brandom Lord help us to see who brother Bron really was and not who they say he was and help us to have a good memory a prous but about who brandom really is and so if you that's the deception it well Rick doesn't think it's a deception true you're Rick doesn't at all and if you guys are interested in that topic I was going to say maybe that's the deception is that Chris re is seeing and learning the things about and like maybe realizing some of that stuff is M to have a conversation about I mean that's probably not it if you guys are interested in some of that stuff go look at um John Collins and leaving the message uh page on William brandom and the history of the brandom mites that was a very eye-opening series for us for sure okay guys let us know your thoughts below and uh and also let us know if there's any topics you want us to hit and cover together as we're moving forward with the podcast so um that said thanks guys we're out peace