Debating WOKE STUDENT on race & affirmative action | Charlie Kirk

do you think affirmative action will help heal the multigenerational problems of slavery I do I really do because um so let's just talk about the history for a second slavery begins in the early 1800s earlier no slavery 1816 is the beginning of slav 1619 oh yeah I guess would be okay first slaves come in 1619 doesn't end until 1800 1880s then we go into Jim Crow laws starting in 1877 and black people are not given equal rights until officially 1965 would you agree with that that's generally the the correct telling yeah so you know 1960s 197 but just so we're clear that black Americans able to serve an office in the early 1900s they were able to vote throughout the 1900s but yes there were pole taxes there was Jim Crow laws there was segregation of course there was I mean you have to be yeah solutional not to acknowledge those things okay so we can acknowledge all of those things can we also acknowledge due to the law under Jim Crow that black people were significantly hindered from economic advancement this is a really important question the data shows not really it was evil it was terrible but black Americans are poorer today in 2024 than they were in the 1950s yes why do you think that is good question so we have the Civil Rights Act we have more benefits more government programs something changed between the 1950s and 2024 so there's two answers to this question either America got more racist since 1950s to 2024 so like that 70-year period because blacks America black Americans are worse off today per capita you agree with that okay good than in the 1950s or there's another explanation and I think the truth is somewhere in the middle which is I think you would acknowledge that the The Disappearance of the black father has been the number one driver of black poverty in this country now there are reasons for that that we yeah what do you think the reasons for that are well culture is one would you agree so actually let's go back to the foundation School prison pipeline all that stuff but do at least at least agree that black dad's not being around is a bad thing anyone's father not being around is a bad thing of course 75% of black youth are not raised to the father in the home it's the highest of any group in the country it used to be 25% in the 1950s so it's gone up dramatically in 70 years okay so you are blaming the fact that black people have not be able been able to achieve economic equality and advance in this country they've had decreased specifically and solely because of the absence Sol it is the most primary ingredient reason it's most so you think it's the absence of black fathers correct and you think what else public sector teacher unions that have kept these schools crummy and kids aren't reading and teachers keep getting paid and we don't fire Bad Teachers that's a big thing okay war on police in our inner cities and not having enough police and not actually put locking up criminals let me hear me out for example in Chicago do you know that only half of all murders go go solved in the city of Chicago that doesn't surprise me at all that's a problem right that is a problem yeah so we need more police more detectives to solve those murders but I I want to hear your points to I'm talking too much so let's go back a little bit to what you said in the issue of policing now starting in the 1980s and continuing onward there's been a War on Drugs is this correct I like I like the War on Drugs you like the War on Drugs so during the War on Drugs it created an epidemic of mass incarceration specifically hold on only if you're using drugs no or pedaling drugs if you don't use drugs then you don't go to jail right so you believe that the criminal justice system is flawless I've never said Flawless there's a lot of people in jail that shouldn't be in jail there's a lot of problems in any system okay so wait let's close on that so you believe that a lot of people who have gone to jail small shouldn't be in jail a small percent what percent would you say 5% you would say only 5% correct when you have a system of justice you're going to have scummy prosecutors you're going to have bad defense attorneys I have a question can I get a Google what percentage of people currently incarcerated are black it's way larger than well it's hold on it's what it's way larger than no I know but the fact the fact I'm saying the fact I'm saying 5% War drugs so that's the point that I'm trying to make exactly who am I deba am I debating here if your own government is pumping drugs yeah so okay so I want to make a quick Point you're right black Americans are in prison far greater than the percentage of the population so the black Americans are about 13 to 14% of the population about half of all prisoners are black so blacks commit more crimes than whites do they commit more murders they commit more arsens they commit more kidnappings for example blacks are 133% of the population and they commit 58% of all the murders that's not a War on Drugs That's a culture problem okay so let's talk about that culture black people have been legislatively subjugated up until 1965 I'll give it I mean honestly it's later but let's just say 1965 you do not think that 10 generations of legislative subjugation and slavery during that time 4,000 black men women and children are lynched as the result of race riots in this country you do not think that these things have a lasting effect we have had 10 generations of subjugation and four of legislative they have an impact but it's more on you to explain why things got worse since the Civil Rights Act more violent less fathers around poorer why is that because of mass incarceration and the UN criminalization of black men but let's just take murders for example why are why blacks are 13% of the population and Comm 58% of the murders why is that because people in affluent and whiter neighborhoods are not being policed at the same rate there are more M I'm talking about dead bodies there's no like we're not talking about police saying we're talking about murders why are so many blacks committing murders outside of their population okay let's take it back to some history I'm curious for an answer to that question I'm going to give you one so let's go to Red lining okay red lining red lining is why so many blacks are killing each other no let me finish my claim and then you can respond is that okay okay so red lining federally mandated or sustained by the FHA right separating black Americans to specifically impoverished and relegated areas of the country we are incapable of buying homes and putting Equity into neighborhoods with lower crime rates and better Educational Systems we do not have access to things that would uplift and help our community when you are put in an environment that promotes and reinforces social and economic inequality you become desperate and are forced to do things that maybe don't align with your values but you're making you're making an excuse for aot murder now when you have lot of stealing a high concentration of a subjugated people in one area if you were right when blacks in America did not have the same rights they had today there were Les they were less murderous there was less break-ins why is that so I'm sorry are you trying to say that blacks Thrive under subjugation no I'm not I'm saying they I'm asking you the question the data shows they were actually better in the 1940s it was bad it was evil but what happened something changed they committed less crimes maybe they were afraid I mean 4,000 black men women and children were killed in violent Lynch M that's your explanation but I guess racial Terror perme americ culture for hundreds of years Black America is worse it has been the generational psych of an entire group of people I'm sure it did I'm not discounting that I'm just trying to understand why is it the more social welfare we've done so we've spent $2 trillion on uplifting black communities 20 trillion and black Americans are poor we've done everything that's been asked you haven't done everything that's been asked though because what is stamps subsidized housing Medicaid public schooling going subsidized College we're talking about $20 trillion have been spent on the Great Society and yet Black America is poorer more murderous more dangerous so there's an explanation I'm asking you to we are not asking for handouts we are asking for equity and part of equity me me taking from other people excuse me it means sharing which is something that you guys seem to have a very hard time doing sharing so somebody has to explain why black America and you haven't is 133% of the population and commits 58% of the murders black people have built and founded the society thank you