Jenn's Men Return To Attack Each Other (Week 8 Bachelorette Recap)

hey guys welcome back to batch makers your favorite show that Recaps all things Bachelor Nation before we continue with this episode we're gonna ask you very nicely Michael please deliver the news make sure you like comment and subscribe sh in that order in that order or reverse the order that doesn't matter to us just do those things helps us enjoy this episode we'll see you we'll see you in the episode just keep watching all right bye hello hello everyone welcome back to batch makers presented by good time media I'm Wyatt that's Michael Lizzy is not here today uh she hasn't been here for a couple weeks and we did want to touch on that just for a second at the top of the show um as you know we mentioned last episode she's been working on Monday so she hasn't been there for a couple weeks and just this past weekend we actually got information that Lizzie is fighting a pretty serious and scary medical situation right now so uh we've been contact with her family and everything getting updates daily but really we just wanted to we don't want to get go into too many details but basically just want to ask you guys our amazing batchmaker fans to just send a lot of love support and prayers her way for her and her family because things are scary so we want to uh send them as much love as possible so please uh keep keep her and her family your prayers send a lot of support that way uh we would really appreciate it and uh we're going to do the same here we obviously we can't do this show without her she's a huge part of the show uh especially behind the scenes stuff that you don't see so we will do our best to continue to provide this content for you guys but just know uh batchmaker family's hurting a little bit right now but we're going to send a lot of love and uh support her way as much as we can and uh we appreciate appreciate you guys doing the same so uh I know tough kind of note to start the show off but we wanted to get that out there um Mike we've got two episodes or two days worth of episodes to get through today lot to tackle uh overall thoughts these last two days um well I actually wasn't able to watch yesterday's live so I had to watch it during work today you took all that in F four hours of content today yeah all of it was today for me I didn't watch a single I saw some Instagram stories meor last night but um watched all of fantasy sweets at about 10: a. this morning um mainly listened to it actually I was working and kind of had it up but you know I was in office I didn't want anybody walking by and see Chen and Jonathan making out my screen or something so I tried to hide it a bit um but yeah I mean Fantasy Suites I'm not going to lie it's not my favorite episode um in any season but mentel all is always I think pretty fire but it's fire but dragged on um all the dramas in a span of 20 30 minutes max um they could really make it an hour like all those reality TV reunion shows are an hour max um let's shorten it yeah this felt like a long episode there were some great moments and moments I'm glad we got but it did this felt like there was three hours long the whole hell off situ like there's so much they packed into these two hours um but it did drag on a little bit I felt like there were moments we could have cut and we could have hour and a half I think we would have been okay with uh today but um before we get into all the show stuff we have pre-show stuff we got to talk about um first and foremost happy birthday to uh the first probably official friend of the program number one Hall of Fame in the batchmaker eyes let's give it up for Maria happy birthday Maria do do we want to sing Happy Birthday to speed it up a little bit happy birthday to you little faster Maria happy birthday to you all right happy birthday Maria we love you happy 30th uh don't don't look a day over 22 in our eyes Maria we love you and uh we'll get you on for a uh full interview uh here shortly as soon as we can but uh we want to make sure we do that a few other points we got to get to um Michael congratulations are in store you have won this season of The batchmaker League you have pulled ahead and there's no catching up to you congratulations I guess now what is this two-time Champion for you now you got two rings uh first since the expansion first since the expansion League um now they always say you know what they say about sports the third Ring's the hardest everyone always says that second one's the easiest so I guess congrats I'm still chasing my second uh I feel good about where we're at for the golden backs the at I think I'm G to get it there I really do but we'll see but but let's give your I'll give you your flowers what would you like to say about your team's performance this season um I'm good at drafting dudes I think that's I think that's the takeaway here and I think that's really going to catapult me into getting that dynasty third rank with the golden dudes because hey guys just get better with age or like fine wine or whatever the the thing is yeah um but yeah I know I'm looking forward to the Golden Draft um shout out Bailey's BRS though everybody listened to coach went out there and just performed we now and and I'd like to I like to mention not only do we have the next Bachelor too we have the first two invites to Paradise already Bailey's BRS are winning like non-stop now we we didn't win Jen's Hart so but overall in life and and following and social media followings to some of my guys you know we're we're doing great all right so um I dra I know I know how hot dudes are I I I know hot dudes true that's one thing I always say people always ask me I'm on the streets like oh white from batch makers what's Michael like I'm like well you know he's great great co-host he he knows dudes he really knows dudes I know yeah you gotta you gotta know you gotta be a hot dude and know a hot dude that's what they say right Prett sure that's what they say that's what they say uh what would you like to say to the allegations that maybe you're building a super team and then it's almost unlikable because you had so many Heavy Hitters this year like some would say 210 72 and 10 Warriors where super team didn't win Jen's heart didn't win the ring that year I know you got a ring but what would you like to say to those allegations because people are talking about that on the dark web well now we're bringing in KD that's what I'm saying today want tip your pitch who's your KD Kelsey's dad well I probably won't have to pick for him because realistic got last I just Kelsey's dad KD whoa whoa I mean but actually I mean he's the consensus number one I'd be shocked if he doesn't go number one um but um yeah no set right around the corner we will be doing PowerPoints for the golden dudes here shortly and then we'll have our draft uh soon thereafter so um yeah that's right around the corner very excited for that league but congratulations Mike well done I'll tip the cap uh speaking of competition we are now going from enemies to teammates because tomorrow and today if you're watching this on YouTube Just tomorrow from when we're recording this we will be having our Fantasy Football Draft competing against the likes of Brett of autumn Dylan B the new Dylan B not the old D out with the old in with the new we got the new Dylan B new and improved and uh Shawn is also in that league and Austin who we will talk about who was not at the tell all today is also win our league so we will be competing against them stay tuned for draft content uh because we'll be having a little draft room uh conversation and uh I don't know what what do we think Mike obviously no draft order is set how do you think we're going to do as co-c Commissioners here I think it's G be a [ __ ] show between you and I I think we have very different opinions on a lot of things clearly I'm good I'm good at drafting you're not I won last season so we have the two defending champs this is like LeBron and Steph joining teams we the we're going for the Olympics here okay yeah I guess we could be USA yeah I need that mindset from you I need Poss don't we can't be against each other already we haven't even I'm not I'm just you know um I personally won't have any bias towards um let's just say people in purple um if we have a top three pick we're taking Justin Jefferson I disagree okay um this is not going to go well case Point Sam darn um round two we can take darnold round two I'm okay with that okay okay okay let's let's move on from this and we can save this for the zoom call I don't know how we're gonna talk if we're in a zoom call with other people so I think we text each other in the side so we Canna start playing smoke screens it's gonna be smok screen City it's gonna be it's gonna be chaos but I think it'll be really fun content so uh stay tuned for that later in the week and uh one more pre-show thing I want to get to did you see any of this Caitlyn Bristo stuff um Caitlyn I saw like one Tik Tok I'm I was kind of confused she's like she asked to date somebody's somebody that went on somebody else's season and that person was really like against it even though it was so long ago but now they're still dating I think yeah something like that so she is pretty Petty for what being I don't know 30y olds well here's the thing so it was tasa so tasa and Zach got uh ended their SE tasa season together and Ka Caitlyn TAA yes Caitlyn and tasa were the co-hosts when Chris Harrison got fired so they were like best Pals and doing all their stuff together and then very recently after Caitlyn and Jason broke up and tasa and Zach broke up Caitlyn was seen out with Zack tesa's ex and that created a whole little [ __ ] show and then Caitlyn went on a podcast and uh said some unflattering words towards Caitlyn and she reached out to TAA tasa was not happy with her how she handled things and Caitlyn may or may not have said you know what I was so upset how she I wanted to send a picture to her suck his dick oh yeah yeah I did hear that I I heard that CL I went on a date with somebody from the franchise and I reach out to the girl that he used to be with so the text was how did the text I said hey so and so dm'd me your ex dm' me yes okay and we've been chatting I said I know you're really happy in a relationship so I actually so I said I don't actually know if this would bother you or not she said I always knew you were a bad person oh no and you've confirmed it hung up and I went no I just want to send her a picture of me sucking his next time keep it to yourself didn't need to hear that that that felt like a weird fourth wall break where I'm like you're from Bachelor Nation you're not allowed to say those words it felt like hearing like your parents cuss for the first time like whoa I didn't know you were allowed to say that yeah um weird situation um I guess Girl Code I'm not too familiar with that haven't read up I haven't read the new edition yeah have not I'm still still on the the first testament of that um yeah but you know go crazy you know steal steal her man I guess if there's not a ring on her finger go stupid go crazy go crazy I guess but we'll keep tabs on that that'll be good offseason stuff to look at because Kaitlin and tasa they were they appeared to be very close when they were hosting together and then they both have said basically like we're not friends so I don't know I don't know what that's all about but let's get into this episode these last two episodes and the only way we can do it is by starting off with our poem because we lost a soldier this week and anyone who makes hometowns just like last week Jeremy got a poem and uh our boy Jonathan gets a poem so uh Mike are you ready all right everyone uh please quiet in the crowd and okay I'm reading back over this I did write this one today I'm gonna say that I have a line in here I don't know if I'm ready to say out loud to other people I might bleep this out from the episode but let's let's just go into it here we go scared cue the sad music please thank you Johnny Johnny Jonathan to say I can't even I just keep thinking ahead never mind here we go Johnny Johnny Jonathan today we say goodbye to him Johnny Johnny Jonathan what a wild ride it's been you showed up to the mansion in full disguise little did we know you'd become one of our favorite guys please don't be sad there's no need to pout walk off this show with your head held high in that dump truck hanging out in the spirit of fantasy suites your exit came quick guess Jen wasn't used to a real man's stick it's not your fault you'd be any woman's dream what girl could say no to that 3in inseam I know we'll meet again hopefully it won't be long but until then jiggity John is jiggity gone that was fire that was fire I'll give it to you that was the best one you've ever written in two seasons that was some bars right there that was that was bars that was bars the fantasy suite came quick oh that was where you going to bleep it was the in the spirit of fantasy suites your exit came quick yeah know I gu Jen wasn't used to a real man's stick yeah yeah again I get the reference I didn't want to say that it's not a cuss word I mean I know it just felt it felt weird to say out loud and I didn't want to say it but I said it mean she said it on National Television yeah but mine was more intentional and that followed up with the 3-in inseam dramatic pause yeah all right five inch inseam that got hyped hey Jonathan we'll miss you it's been a pleasure I feel like we again we haven't MVP we haven't said much about Jonathan this show because we haven't had to he's kind of been perfect and we'll get to more Jonathan when we get to the tell all and the episode but uh Jonathan you'll be missed thank you uh thanks for coming out let's hop in to some quotes before we go through the detail heyo what uh my phone up and just fell and I saved it hands what quotes do you have I have just basically one written down which one from fantasy suites yeah from any honestly um and we can talk about tell all quotes as we kind of go through the tell all so maybe just stick to Fantasy sweets um I have kind of kind of a lot okay rip through them um I believe it was her Daye with Devin um it's crazy how blue the water is and then she goes to Devin it's crazy how blue your eyes are it's crazy how blue the water is crazy is how blue your eyes are wow not blue not blue at all is he has brown eyes really yeah they joked about that it doesn't even have blue eyes did I miss that part after I think you I think you were too busy cringing at the quote I was too busy I was too busy probably opening my notes I've and writing down I like that's so cringe he very much doesn't have blue eyes um then sometime a good thing is a good thing Jen's and I was like whoa that's kind of like main do we have to make do we have to make new shirts that's like it was kind of the reference I was like whoa they they're kind of using you know little call back there I think um and then Jonathan on the their date they got like these pastries these Donuts MH um and his cut to the camera was like it was worth the cheat day for sure worth the cheat day for sure you ready um and I just like felt that I was like you know what yeah dude hell yeah you're you're out here of course man you I mean in Hawaii in Hawaii Fantasy Suites like yeah dude maybe have a donut or two like I think I think it's worth it I think you can you know burn off the Cs and fantasy suites if you know what I mean nice um one thing my one quote comes from or based off Hawaii as well this is from Jen uh it's where on our date with Devin she said I could see Devon and I doing this in the future I could see Deon and I doing this in the future coming to a beautiful Island like this with her kids granted she is referring to a helicopter ride around the island of Hawaii now normally when you say something like that you're referring to like a nice simple picnic like oh I could see us doing this I don't know what the retirement package is for The Bachelorette but if you could like oh I could see I could see us doing this yeah I mean that's a lot of money yeah I mean it's ABC sending charity dotton to uh Greece again so um I did have another quote from Jen and Marcus's date yeah um Jen said I want to be a mermaid and then Marcus said you kind of look like one today and I was like just like what I was just so confused I was like mermaids have fishtails and Jen doesn't have a fish tail right now what did he say he said something about she looked like a Ferrari she's like it's sexy like a Ferrari she had like a red dress during the night Marcus at all times feels like he's trying like he's in a different generation than Jen and he's trying to relate to her he's trying to like speak Jen Z to her it just feels like there's a disconnect there in like the language that's being used um yeah you have any other Quotes no think that was think that was all all right let's hop into it we got fantasy sweets they are in the the island of Hawaii which I didn't realize I googled this there's a there's the island of Hawaii in Hawaii so they kept saying we're on the island of Hawaii I was like that's just Hawaii nope fact checked myself there is an island of Hawaii in Hawai it's like having in I don't know like the capital be the country in some places like the capital whatever anyway New York New York yeah great Point that's why we have you here Mike um fantasy sweets so everyone just gets to play golf with Jesse that J this was Jesse's highlight reel this whole episode was a Jessie Clinic he was cooking this episode I love to see it yeah he literally got to have a week vacation in Hawaii I guess maybe two week vacation in Hawaii probably get in I bet got in like eight rounds of golf in total in the two weeks you probably got eight rounds of golf paid for by ABC and just was doing his thing and he's kind of just a mentor now he's kind of just chilling like oh yeah man that's crazy you're a really good dude cool you're you're an inspiration you said to Marcus yeah and then that's what it that's what then he just goes and golfs and probably watches some college football to get ready yeah it is crazy I tweeted out from the batchmaker account it was Jesse's the only person in the world who can say oh I'm going on a work trip and mean it and he's just going golfing in Hawaii for two weeks MH and that's actually a work trip for him what a life what a life Jesse lives and he he I would say earned his salary this episode the fantasy suites and the tell all he kind of crushed it Jesse stepped up to the plate he saw the chatter online of like do we even need a host do we need a Jesse Jesse stepped up to the plate and he kind of owned it this episode I did like how him and Marcus when they had their meaningful deep conversation it zoomed out wide shot they were 20 yards apart yeah it it was like uh like the five lens you know on a camera you like trying to take selfies to your friends and they look all weird because they're in0 five yeah because they probably weren't that far apart like driving range they're probably you know right next to each other but made it look really weird but kind of Scenic not gonna lie yeah so I like them T you know experimenting with different views um ev's fantasy date when they let again every date at this point on The Bachelor bachette is just either a helicopter or a hot tub they take a helicopter ride and it looked just like the opening scene of Jurassic Park with like the waterfall in the background it was right out of Jurassic Park they were all over each other in this helicopter they were biting each other literally in this helicopter ride this was the moment where I think it we've talked about before we talked about last week we like like wait is Devon actually gonna win this thing that made me see it I was like okay Devon Devon's kind of in the driver's seat for real this time uh because she does very much enjoy being around Devon um they did have a full but they got out of the helicopter at the waterfall Devon had the bucket of champagne they made out and then they got back on the helicopter and picniced somewhere else it's like they opted out of the waterfall scenery cuz they got out made out Devon literally had the bucket of champagne in his hand and then it just cut they got back on the helicopter and water and then had their picnic somewhere else which was very strange I was like I think the shot wasn't set up right and they're like you know what let's just move somewhere else which is very weird to me yeah um I didn't I didn't notice that at all about the champagne yeah but I mean I'm I'm sure the producers have backup plans on backup plans if something doesn't look kind of ROM and speaking of Devon I do want to call attention to this if you follow us on Tik Tok you saw this Devon's tattoo yeah what I I'm still down this Rabbit Hole I don't know what's the truth at this point because I've had people point out more details so here's the thing Devon has this giant tattoo like a full paragraph looks like a Bible verse on this on the side and you could see it when they were making out in the water and that made me think I don't remember seeing that before so I went back back to pictures of the strip magic mic date Tattoo's not there and I was so con confused on why either ABC edited out either I'm dumb and missed it or Devin got a tattoo midseason which would be the funniest thing of all time which I don't think happened what where do you stand on tattoo gate um well I think somebody commented on our t on your Tik Tok about it and and said a picture from 2017 on his Instagram has the tattoo and so that makes me well kind of rules out the whole getting a tattoo midseason it's true even though I was I was kind of hoping that would that be he like just like went couple of the guys just like got a tattoo and you know I don't know there's a group date going on or something um but now I'm thinking I don't know maybe just angle of when she he was like dancing to Jen just never showed it but I think we need to do a deeper dive into that episode and watch those guys strip again the things we do I guess we we'll have to go back we'll have to watch all these guys strip oh no honey I'm just doing research don't for work honey close the door with weeks ago sweetie um it's an investigation um but it's tattoo gate it's all the Rave right now I don't yell at you when you're doing work you're just like zooming in on Devin stripping um all right and then Devon's fantasy sweet date ends with them going to the fantasy suites uh I did love how they both said I'm game to go to Fantasy Suites that's got to be a bachelor first Bachelor at first a lot of old Bachelor heads are probably very confused when they said that they're like what does that mean what what game what game we're not playing any games this is love um so they they do their thing fantasy sweets wake up Jen says Devin is better than Pete Davidson in all ways is Jen and Pete Davidson has that like that's crazy and always yeah um def's a funny guy Pete Davidson's little makes a living telling jokes and Haas so yeah um that was crazy that I think they kept that in realistically I mean production they've been letting some some some slang words go by some some cuss words go by and that that's a comment that they let go by and um hey more power more power to Jen I guess for having the balls to say that yep um Jonathan's fantasy suite date uh basically just a carbon copy of Devin helicopter waterfall repeat rinse repeat yep the only thing I wrote down from this date again this is just a theme All Season where we go through all the dates Jonathan's come up and I have like no notes because nothing nothing dramatic happens because Jonathan's awesome and so we're just kind of left with oh yeah Jonathan's cool that's Jonathan's a cool dude I did write he uh apologized for cussing at one point he broke the fourth wall he I think he said like I think he said [ __ ] and then he just like looked at the camera was like my bad no sorry no which is a weird moment just because they're having this very like intimate conversation like oh by the way there's 30 people in this room I apologize which was funny but Jonathan's great I love Jonathan yeah um I didn't really have any notes on on his uh his day either it was pretty pretty uh pretty cupcake or donut yeah uh Marcus's fantasy sweet date you we had the golfing with Jesse and Jen said pretty early on on this date that she is in love with Marcus something she has not said to anyone else she's uh it's crazy like she's like love bombing him I mean all he has to do is say I love you and this man probably has ring on his finger and she has ring on hers and I think that's all it takes and he does not want to say it he is he said in 12 different ways by the way I'm not in love with you and Jen's like I I don't care because I yeah yeah I might not get there but I don't want to give up on it and the way they edited their conversation at dinner I thought he was about to leave yeah and he was just building all that up to say hey by the way I'm not in love with you and Jen was like want to go to Fantasy sweets and he's like we find some stuff do there it's kind of the daisy effect from last season where it's I think they're just Marcus just doesn't like Jen like that and he she ends up in the final two somehow and Marcus ends up in the final two somehow yeah yeah and I think he's maybe a little bit more of a realist you know because this is this process is very short and so maybe he is starting to like her but he can't be like you know I can marry you right like maybe he's just like I I can't do it right now and she is definitely farther along than him right now and well we'll we'll see where it goes maybe he gets there in you know literally the last what three days or four days of filming you know that's in between fantasy suites and and the engagement but we we have joked about the neverbe seen ending for this season being Jen proposing like Jen getting down on a knee that if she does that it feels like it'd be Marcus where like Marcus doesn't say that he loves Jen at all Jen is in love with Marcus and Jen says screw it I'll do it myself grabs the ring gets out on a KNE like please please and then he says no oh man first ever Bachelorette proposing and doesn't go well that'd be tough that'd be tough for our girl Jen uh and then it never before seen it wraps up that episode the fantasy sweet episode with the same Cliffhanger that it opened up with and it pisses me off so much when they do this because it's such a slap in the face to the audience because they know we're going to be back tomorrow so they open up with the Devon knocking the door Jen opening it what's gonna happen here and then they close with that same thing it's say come back tomorrow little [ __ ] and we do just like just like good little pups we show up the next day sit in front of our TV and watch two hours of this television show again ABC I want to say it's not going to work on me again it's probably going to work on me again they're going to do the same thing golden batch thre at when it gets down to the final three they'll do the tell all they'll do the same little Cliffhanger sandwich and I'm gonna fall for it again and I'm just admitting defeat here it's gonna happen I'm okay with it I'm done adding fuel to this fire it is what it is I'm your little puppet and I will show up every day yeah it's kind of reminds me of that one commercial where the guy has the fishing rod and the little dog is like oh you almost had it there oh and that's what they do they're they're toying with the audience they're toying with everybody like oh you think you're gonna see it oh we come back I know you're you know you're just a cog on the wheel you know and we control you my little minions works we do it and it's there's nothing we can do about it they own us not that dramatic at the end of the day same same with what happened what they did last season with this um it's when what what was it some who was going to Joey's room or I think it was Kelsey she was like wanted the WR it note yeah it was the note that he we need to talk I think Kelsey left it for Joey right yeah and that's all that that's all it was and that was a cliffhanger that led to the the men the woman tell all and it was just like nothing we were like oh ridiculous ridiculous um so like you said it was nothing Devin uh goes and says hey I need you to say I love you and Jenna's like okay I love you that was it it was no it was really cute I'm down downplaying it a little bit it was a very cute moment between them outside of all the drama of even like outside noise that in a vacuum very cute I love you moment if it does end up being Devon that's a beginning of the tape like uh scene right there I thought it was very cute yeah yeah it was cute but like kind of a let down dramatic wise drama wise um all right speaking of drama let's do it let's get into uh some of our favorite parts of this franchise the men tell all finally we made it here some of our favorites are back on screen some of our favorites not there shockingly no Austin yeah unbelievable that he's not there actually considering how much social media he love he got someone just get arrested outside your building no but the cops going crazy shra shyra um yeah what who who stood out to you that was there who wasn't there attendance wise what stood out um first thing for sure that stood out was I guess they made Ricky seem like the man made hometowns roog got as much screen time as Jeremy Demir honestly like Ricky got so much screen time and Brian who were Ricky was night warer I think he was the only night warer there that was there besides um besides Brett but we knew Brett was to be there he was loved by too many people um but Ricky was a night one that was there and just random like I think it was like we need we have one more extra spot and we want to slap Austin more in the face and fight a guy that went home night one I I don't know or is he a replacement like some guy ditched last second but we still have this chair out and we can't just move this chair I don't know how how Ricky was there to be honest unbel no offense to Ricky but like have been there but like hey congrats you were there you made it we didn't get the invite so maybe we're just salty yeah um speaking of that whole audience and I want to call Bachelor Nation we're big on representation we have to do better across the board that whole audience was a bunch of chicks there are almost no dudes in that audience I don't feel represented by the men tell all audience and if if you want to do better Bachelor Nation Bachelor producers if you want to do better representation wise we're here we're waiting give us the call we'll on our own dime we'll do it uh what's his face style um what's the what was the guy's name what was his name what was the ex's we already forgot his name oh no uh we called him mat SM SM we'll pull Matty Smokes on our own dime we'll fly out there we'll be there we need more representation of dudes who watch this franchise cuz we're out there the boyfriends who watch with the girlfriends were out there so just saying give us a call we'll be there next time thank you for that so we need to do better there because I looked that audience it was either people who were on the show or a bunch of girls yeah um but know other shocks people that um I do want to say the fact that they use Austin and some of the bloopers but not him that was a little [ __ ] up too yeah where were Ricky bloopers none he never SE one he wasn't there because he wasn't on the you could have told you he could have been there and said like oh we tricked you he wasn't actually on the season I would have I would have thought about it for a second i' been like if I didn't do a PowerPoint on him I think I probably would have you know I could believe that um all right then tell all then we get into Aaron it's kind of started with him basically telling everybody that they weren't ready to fall in love and then his own brother just saying nah dude chill yeah um I was well one did he actually do flight school do we know this like how long is flight school I feel like school was a long time did he was this maybe this was part of maybe that whole thing when I said like oh I think it was fake and they like made that up for him to leave or whatever maybe that's true I'm not going to lie a lot social media and I don't think you can get you know grande Starbucks drinks and and be doing that in the in the army with uh in flight school or at least maybe yeah you would think in that situation that they would address why he left the show because he's self- eliminated yeah yeah he left and they didn't bring it up once so that begs the question was it all a ruse was it all made up plant who who made the phone call show us the phone records who made the call yeah open the books ABC show us the emails they deleted the emails for sure it was funny though seeing his brother call him out be like dude shut that's such an older brother thing to do dude like dude shut the [ __ ] up like you don't know what you're talking about and I loved when he called out Spencer and then literally everybody even the crowd was like what the [ __ ] like everybody was like what that is the last like person like you can name and then he was like yeah I was watching your oneon-one and you know your ex- fiance you were talking about it being thron aable and that's why and I was like that is and even Spencer said like that's the opposite like I I was opening up like what Aaron was doing what we do every week where we watch the show and just assume things Aaron actually knows Spencer yeah like yeah they actually were there and in real time so that was that was kind of wild I do wish sometimes I wish the menal all was after the final Rose because I kind of wish Deon was there oh Deon not being there was a Travy what was very tragic because we could have had him and Sam and drama um even at there but uh yeah we didn't and and Aaron B because Aaron B was call out de too and the fact to call Deon out when he's not even there you didn't have to mention his name uh we Sam n kind of I would say one of the better Redemption arcs of the tall he was very self-aware and called made fun of himself for the situation he said probably jump the gun shot my shot and I totally missed so I could appreciate him taking accountability there all the guys still just upset that he said that and they were almost way too eager to see him strip they like wanted to see him get naked and strip which was a little interesting yeah and he was in that leather jacket I he he pulled up with the leather jacket and I was like denim denim jacket you mean no oh yeah the black denim jacket of course um no but he pulled up in Black in the leather jacket and I was like that's that's really cool which makes kind of kills the conspiracy of the producers gave him that to wear and like yo you know we this wear this leather jacket and just like be a [ __ ] douchebag for the night um but uh yeah it was good to see him he kind of Saved face with Paradise I would say it's best way to put it yeah yeah he made a paradise push for sure next up they did they did our thing they did the main thing Montage we knew it was going to come we knew it would be a part of this in some capacity while it was happening I still thought there was a small chance we get a plug not us personally I thought Jesse was going to make a side remark kind of like I predicted where be like it's even on t-shirts or something like that just a side like uh bar moment like that we didn't get it obviously they probably would have cut it anyways if Jesse did say that if anyone mentioned it you probably did we'll give him the benefit yeah no I would let's give him all the benefit I bet Jeremy mentioned it too and they just cut it so uh thank you Jeremy and Jesse for maybe or maybe not mentioning us we appreciate it and those are still available if you want to get one please help support the show we appreciate it um and then Jen dropped one too Jen for the first time said the main thing was the main thing which shout out Jen fan of the show she's been watching love you Jen thank you she probably she probably said it too she probably said it too so we'll give give her props too um yeah that that Montage was great kind of knew it was coming I think they had more but they just only showed like three or four yeah like I but I was like they've got to have more but then they cut to other of his like saying like his ferocious ferocious ferocious ferocious um which was good I'm glad that they did that um then I was kind of shocked that in the men tell all they were even talking about Daisy and Maria yeah like what was going on Jen's backstage yeah and and they're talking about that and they keep that in too I'm like they could have talked about it at the mental all and kind of just like cut it but like wow they talked about it kept in it was very interesting great drama you know I love watching it which Jeremy the pot stir he's the one who brought it up yeah Jeremy did bring it up um that's kind of ballsy of him to do um but hey you know that's what that's what he that's what he does Jeremy let's talk about Jeremy for a second because he he dominates Sam M anytime they're in a room together he absolutely he's never lost undefeated I put that on my story Lavar ball undefeated never lost against Sam M because he he just owns them you know when a team just owns another team for some reason he has Sam M's number and he just catches dub after dub after dub when going against him it's aw yeah kind of like kind of like the like the Packer Viking Dynamic what are we doing what what are we doing we've the Vikings have won NFC North more recently than the Packers have so let's walk that one back and a Super Bowl too um what are we doing here we're 40 minutes in we're having a good time we're hanging out allor right I just need need to add a little jab in there all right whatever um but yeah I thought that was crazy but then they cut charity and doton during the that and Daisy talk great reaction from charity and Don like literally perfect yep um yeah so Sam M gets called up on the hot seat and he kind of takes his ass chewing pretty well I think he still refuses to take a little bit of accountability and then when he does take accountability when Jen comes back out he Praises himself for taking accountability he said oh when I was up there I I took a lot of accountability so he just he walked it right back I just it's so hard to keep up with him sometimes um but I will give Jesse credit we've talked about him kind of having a great uh couple days he pushed back normally Jesse sits back and just lets it play out he he kind of gave Samm the look like dude you came AC cross disingenuous I know you're saying the right things to me but come on dude he he egged it on a little bit and pushed back against Samm which I appreciate from Jesse he he read the moment well and yeah sorry go ahead do do you think Sam m is gonna be in Paradise I I honestly I think AB you don't think he wants to I don't think he wants to go on television again I think he shouldn't if he's smart he should stay far away from television I think think ABC tried their hardest today to help redeem him enough to get him on Paradise I think that was their goal to give them the open door if they want to go down that route because if they just like fully I don't know I think there was a way they could have done it where there was no way I think they kind of left that door open which is concerning because I don't think he will though I think he would say no and ultimately I think ABC would say no and then we get our first ever uh invitation to Paradise with Jonathan so yeah I don't love this move I hated it I hated it it's just a weird way to do it also strange if you think about it in the context of just normal life they're saying hey do you want to go on a bunch of dates in seven months stay single until then when I will note Jonathan is at his Peak popularity right now in the eyes of the world girls are loving him everywhere and they say hold up you're under contract verbally agree to being on Paradise so you have to stay single for the next seven months I think he can still do what he want man like but if anything it's like a oh I have to be single so he could kind of he could kind of go crazy next seven months and still just be like sorry can't you knew I was going on in Paradise what if he turns it down that what if he like finds a girl settles down and I also that would help his negotiation to get more money from them to go on Paradise 100% because now the fans are expecting him on Paradise and if he's like dude I don't really want to go like he'll be like pay me more I'm also I'm Still Holding Out for him and Jen to end up together I don't know how this season ends I have I have some thoughts he did he did seem very in love with her she walked out in that dress yeah and he and he said that I'm like well you you don't really say that to somebody that you know is like engaged to one of your friends and you don't really say that unless you're still got some feelings and it wasn't that long ago and and then he brought up the other two dresses and stuff yeah like he's in love with Jen he's got a he's got a memories about those things so imagine imagine your your buddy's fiance walks into a room and then you say hey these are the three dress you look the hottest in yeah no that that's exactly what happened the fiance wasn't there you know um which makes me think prob watching on TV makes me think there's no fiance because he would know that's conspiracy right there are we are we gonna see Jen and Jonathan rekindle on on the beach dude that's what I want I want I I I don't think if you're Jonathan and unless he doesn't know which is doubtful at this point considering he was in the final three I think you know like how it uh is portrayed or how it ends up you don't say hey these are the three dresses you look the hottest in if they're happy in a relationship like yeah like if charity when charity walked out there was no way who was on Sean was gonna be like hey by the way these are the three dresses you look the hottest in while doon's backstage like there's no way so yeah yeah that's that's a good point that seals the deal for me I don't think she's engaged I think it could just be like a oh like you know just complimenting like still still friends but obviously there's still some feelings there but regardless I'm excited to see Jonathan on the beach I'll be honest our little medium King did you like that line from Jen yeah I mean he he kind of like yeah coined that phrase a bit like I think in my life you know I know a lot of medium Kings I would probably consider myself medium King as well yeah dude what the I'm literally Jonathan's height like I'll bet you back to back I'm taller than Jonathan I knew that would get a reaction but that yeah because the [ __ ] tone you said yes was stupid you know that yeah dude for sure that was oh God Mike you're you're little Med King that was that was that was I guess that was payback for the uh the Vikings yeah now we're even oh yeah we're getting out because we have a fantasy draft tomorrow we got to focus on that's true um last thing from the tell all I have written down is they offer they have our 10 minutes of we have to kill time so they left this hakee bit in for let's put the spider back on hakee and his reward for letting him letting us terrorize him is hey here's another tickets Paradise ticket punched yeah it's crazy I like I always thought hakee had a chance to go on Paradise because he was rising in Fame but now was like it's crazy you got you got the second ticket to paradise and I'm I'd be shocked if Brett's not invited to be honest like how popular he is he's gotting invited it's it's insane I think I'm really looking forward to Paradise we still have a whole another batch of dudes in chicks that are gonna be out in paradise and I can't wait for when our we do our how to save paradise episode we should probably do it before they even film Paradise just in case the producers see it you're right because they will um because I've got some great ideas go I think it's gonna be a massive season I think it's it's gonna be the most watched season they've ever had they've got they've got to take it they've got to take the summer back from love Island USA because right now love Island USA honestly at Leah's Instagram it's insane she's got like five million freaking followers it wouldn't shock me if they switch up the schedule and try to do that for next summer so that it it would shock me if they go golden Bachelorette film Paradise earlier like during the Bachelor season and then air in the summer and they so do they do Grant season Grant season Bachelor in Paradise then Bachelorette next year you think they're gonna try to air it during love Island USA I think I think they've got a pick either before after that'd be ballsy knowing knowing that how that franchise Works they they want to Stomp all the competition so I I wouldn't put it past them to air that in the summer but they need to listen to our Our advice yeah well hakee speaking of him one of the hardest I laugh this whole episode was when they stayed on him during the uh W what was it Mormon wives show which looked absolutely insane but the producers just stayed on Hakeem reacting the whole time I want hakee to react to anything he should have a cameo set up where he can just be sent clips and he just reacts to them that he would make so much money I would send him clips of this podcast to react to I would pay him a good amount of money hakee friend of the program if you're listening I would pay him a good amount of money just to watch him react to a full episode of us like imagine a Keem cam just like right here it's it's kind of like you know when you're doing Tik toks and you have Subway Surfers at the bottom people got short extension fans we just have Hakeem at the bottom I reac to it I might write Hakeem a check and say just send me an hour of super crazy reaction shots like an hour so I can just put it in the corner of every episode we do it's just it doesn't even match up to what we're saying it's just Hakeem reacting to random things he's so good yeah I need that to happen um that's fine so yeah hakeem's going to Paradise I do now that I'm thinking about it it would be fun if they start punching Tickets to Paradise like one by one like they do for like March Madness oh oh I was going to say like they do for you know when you get invited to the US Olympic team and like Grant Hill shows up your de USA Jersey or like when you when you're getting to like the Hall of Fame they come and give you your gold jacket Jessie Palmer shows up that's what they should do like a speedo yeah with like a speedo or like a and he's like come to the beach they should do that to I think to get the hype though they need to bring the hype during the winter and spring too I think you slowly roll out who's going to be on Paradise I think one by one so I don't I don't hate that idea so we got two tickets punched I think it's going to be a big cast so we'll uh keep our eyes peeled for the next announcement if you had to guess who would be the next one to say yes uh well they'd probably get chicks yep I have one in mind so first one that comes to my mind is is Leia and Rachel Rachel Rachel is my my I think she would be a good close right now too so yeah that could be easy two you knock out right there yeah I think that would be a two great gets and then throw Jess in there too while you're at it might as well uh what else you have for the tell all before we do uh final predictions uh I guess I had a quote um Jesse when Grant was out there like get ready to he was like get ready to take a lot of showers Bachelor Nation loves a good lather and the way Jesse said it I was like oh God oh God and then all the reactions were like yeah really kind of creepy honestly it was it was pretty creepy but hey um oh let's talk about grant for a second yeah we next Bachelor yeah next Bachelor we didn't talk about him at all because we're focused on this season Grant I like Grant I think he's gonna do well as a bachelor I think he's got a long ways to go when it comes to the social media side of things yeah it's it's tough in a again we want Grant to succeed because if Grant succeeds we succeed as a show so his social media is coming across very very produced and what was the one I sent you guys where it was like oh I said there was one rough moment he had I was just um I went to his his new Instagram his trades went up where is oh no yeah he he posted just a blank story and he said if y'all Rock With Me go like my comment under his post can't wait to find my wife it's just a little corny there's nothing wrong with being corny Joey was very corny a lot of people are corny on this show I think Grant you're smoother than that I'm I'm gonna hold you accountable I'm gonna hold you to a higher standard I think he can do better I really do yeah wait did I did he delete his like account you know that like trading account he yeah I can't find it anymore oh no did they they make him delete it no that's crazy honestly I thought I was like dude I'm I'm gonna try to be a day trader like Grant that be that be sick he's been posting his winnings and he's like yeah he's bringing him he's bringing in bang and he's like just finished like 8 AM and he's like going on a run now yeah that seems like the [ __ ] life he do he does seem like very happy to be the bachelor in like in a in a little kid type of way which is good that's what you want yeah so um he's very I like that he said he was going to focus on his emotional intelligence like as his preseason training Co Aaron's got some books for him if he needs some some reading um all right predictions for next week we're wrapping up this season three-hour finale so it'll be next Tuesday so this episode the final recap reaction will be out next Wednesday is this is this a Devon is this a Devon master class is heon is he gonna pull his thing out I think he is um the whole thing with the I don't I can't what you propos to me I think that is to Devon and I think they end dating and then he proposes at the after the final Rose and she says yes so like during the life I'm going to say I think it isic my prediction is the I can't let you propose to me is to Marcus and it's because she thinks Marcus is only doing it because he feels like he has to because Marcus hasn't gotten to the point but Marcus feels like that's the next step that I have to do it for the show so Jenna's like I can't let you do it because I know you're not there yet yeah um I do think though I don't know how some wrap around way she ends up with Devin but I don't think it lasts I think CU again I'm going back to the Jonathan thing you don't say that to someone who's engaged that if you know she's engaged then I think they do what they did with Rachel and aan after her and Tino broke up where they're like is there a chance this could work out actually they won't do that because they already offered Jonathan Paradise yeah yeah never mind but they should do that because I'm still rooting for Jonathan and Jen I hope that works out somehow then oh then Jen's the first ticket book to Paradise oh you imagine that would be a moment in Bachelor at history that would be that would get the hype for Paradise but it would also kind of put a bad light on The Bachelorette process like not working and stuff like that and kind of making it a joke and really hoping Grant and saves it slash go back to kind of like an older lead I think but that would really get the hype going I think for Paradise yeah I agree well all right folks we will uh see you guys next week for our finale recap and uh yeah we'll keep this thing moving we got golden Bachelor Rett around the corner and uh wish wish us luck on our Fantasy Draft tomorrow and uh again please keep Lizzie and her family in your thoughts and prayers we'd really appreciate it thank youall see youall next week God bless peace