Nathalie Benoit – Podcast Host, writer, reader promoter of Literature

Intro oh well you know i will always go of course towards the beatles it's comforting to me but you know i love i actually love like something i have learned to appreciate is uh the purple really i mean i love young girls so as a um an artist a vocal artist um i listened to uh a deaf leopard was a big big big guy for a big band for me um i actually like like fans like glenn miller so but uh that can dance i don't know if you know of this man um it's my boyfriend my boyfriend is a huge middle and introduction that can dance and it was a huge revelation for me i love i think it makes me feel good whatever the move i can listen to the same song in in a different mood and and just know it reveals itself in a different way to me so that can dance on one side but it can be like metallica on the other side depends on how i feel [Music] About Nathalie hello everyone and welcome to a new episode of set lusting bruce your podcast all about bruce springsteen his music and mostly his fans i am your host jesse jackson joining me uh on this episode is another friend from canada i always love when i have people from canada joining me they make some of the best guests nathalie welcome to the show how are you doing thank you very much for having me i'm doing fine how's everybody so far everything's pretty good so in dallas texas so where are you calling from waterloo quebec because there's another waterloo that's not from ontario in canada and it's a smaller place though smaller water okay very nice well tell us a little about yourself well i'm an entrepreneur a french canadian entrepreneur and uh well accidental podcaster because i wanted to open a new uh lane of communication with my prospects so what i do basically is uh my um my enterprise is called lake county [Music] township and uh led let is like the how you you name a specifics in uh like literature so if you have a diploma in quebec it's left instead of literature so it's like the eastern town scripts would be like the most vegas approximate translation for uh for my entrepreneur my enterprise so what i do basically is i i create and organize and animate um the writing workshops for creative writing you know just to uh to have fun with people because i used to do that as a participant and i wanted to i was getting i was missing these um gatherings where we would talk about you know we would write we would read aloud and then we would you know talk about anything in between literature like culture films and i missed this gathering of people uh you know in french there is an expression it's uh it was fair salon so these uh there were prominent ladies in the high society that would uh open their uh well salon or their rooms for anyone who wanted to speak culture and you know debate so i wanted to uh salon in the water a little bit so i started with one little event called the waterloo by candlelight where i created an event where we've got with the right with the quill and ink and my channel how fun yes yes and it was very successful so most of my um most people who call for my services or libraries because you know every good reader can be a writer or you know the interest comes from reading and then you want to write your own stories so it was a natural uh environment for me and then i didn't want to stop there and i would say why stop my water do i want to open my services to anyone in the eastern townships and this is where i live actually the eastern town chance for anyone who's not from canada it's a little um region just an hour from montreal and it was um it was colonized by the people the english who were loyal to the crown at the um the independence were in your country so you know any of the people who were who wanted to remain loyal to the queen of england oh sorry not the queen it's certainly it wasn't a great one you know what i'm the crown i think they found some people went in colonized eastern townships so this is why it's not divided in the traditional senior way we used to do in french this is the only place it has townships and it's such a nice place lots of nature lots of forests farms and we wanted to get away from montreal as far as we could because we wanted to raise our family in a nice environment so this is where we ended up in the eastern townships it's very touristy left has lots of antiques shop really nice place to visit by the way and i love i fell in love with the place so much i wanted to contribute in any way and i chose culture so there it is and i wanted to communicate with people so i wanted to start my podcast which is named the same as my enterprises oh good well we'll thank you that that Music as a kid is a great i'm going to ask a little bit more about the podcast in a little bit but i want to always i always like to start out with the beginning so growing up was there a lot of music in the house where you what kind of music did your parents listen to or you as a kid well you know i the the specific situation when your first canadian is you you're in between two cultures you have french quebecois or french canadian and and well mainstream anglo-saxon music so i had the privilege of knowing both and growing up loving both my friends just you know i won't go too much in details with the french music because i know it won't resonate with some people but i can tell you that we they knew all the oldies you know it was like johnny cash my mother loved johnny cash and uh you know any like uh the platters booker key and bmgs uh their uh deborah lee plastic line stuff like that we grew up listening to this we actually had a you know those mixtapes for you to to uh create you know just to go and uh you know usually have those td tdk like branded but we used to have the blue zenith tape okay so i know that this tells me my age i'm losing a theme and we uh used to listen to like all the things and my sister and i actually enjoyed my parents music we grew up with my uncle he actually was my babysitter oh my word's big into the beatles so the beatles is huge with my sister and i because it's like you know it's like a nice loafer you know it's a comfort music the beatles it's like the the primal get-together music we like to sing around a campfire and when i was a kid aside from you know listening to old records of sesame street and whatnot my first adult record i used to play on the pickup was do you remember those pickup uh turntables uh it was i love to love from tina jones we cannot morgan get this school than that you know how funny that also tells me my age as you grew up uh did you stay French Canadian music enjoying both the french canadian and the uh you know more traditional uh you know anglo-saxon music did you mainstream canadian and you know pop but also french canadian did you stay fans of both types oh yes yes some french canadian songs are like go-to campfire songs we all know the lyrics too it's very comforting to go back to this and to be honest there's a french canadian senior um his name is robert and we saw his him in concert and i can tell you of my personal appreciation his show was as quality and epic as any of the mainstream english accent jose you know maybe the venue was not as big right but the artist the connection with the artist the quality of the acoustics the uh the way he was generous with his audience when he sang songs we used to listen to for 20 years he sang it like it was his first time so of course we have i will always have a strong connection but with both genres or both you know origins of artists so uh natalie i'm a little curious um Growing up in Louisiana you know i i grew up in louisiana so there was a um especially a little bit east of us in lafayette louisiana a huge um cajun you know french culture and a lot of canadian you know cajun music you know from you know a lot of in fact that's it i i smiled a little bit when you wanted to make sure i knew how to pronounce benoit but you know because uh you know thibodeaux boudreaux you know uh you know i i uh i i grew up with that so i i was very immediately new how to say your last name do you grow up by bilingual when you're in that normally do you like it sounds like you're pretty fluent in both languages is is that pretty typical for someone growing up in your it area where the person comes from i think maybe in montreal it's more easy to have an access to uh anglo-saxon culture but i think my family in particular i grew up with both languages i have like my tv shows in french and my tv show in english i mean sesame street you know the muppet show jim hendrix jimmy hendrix forget what i was saying jim hansen was a god to me you know he was like my household family name and uh but you know my my great grandmother was irish and my mother's acadian so this is why it resonated with me when you mention cajun music because uh you know we my mother listened to lots of acadian music because of her acadian origins it did not it didn't have an imprint when i was younger but later in life i got i you know i got to know cajun music and my mother listens to a fred oh my god she has like her own uh cajun radio shows that she listens she listens to online and fred charlie i think it is and um so when she when i go home now she listens to a lot of cajun music and it sounds like home even though i've never been to louisiana it does sound like home because you know there's a bit of a little bit of all of us in the uh in the the kids and cultures so uh so it but for me it was a normal thing but i know that you know i talked to my friends some only listened to english music some never had really a contact with english culture i i also listened to tv in both languages this is what happened in my family so i can speak for every one of us i know that some people barely listen to any tv show in english but for most skinny french canadian english like anglo-saxon mainstream music is is a thing it's something we all grew up in because we're like an island of french in the whole of north america and i i want to get back to music in a minute but i'm fascinated with this do you do you think in english do you think in french or is it a combination of both i think in french with in my household it was very like my parents were very politicized it was important for them for me to master my french language before i got bilingual so if i were to learn learn two languages i have to learn mine well and then go to the second language which is english in order to you know so in order to be fluent and you know you have to learn one language well because we know that i know that some people it's all it's okay to be bilingual but it's extremely important being where we are but some unfortunately i tend to uh turn the other way not everyone but you know just it becomes like something with of a language that you know they tend to forsake who they are you know uh organically and then to the uh to the uh the expense of another language you know and both cultures we always grew up following both cultures but it was french french french at home the english was already always in my uh in my environment in my head in my i take it you're a parent are you raising them bilingual Music uh i'm raising her in french but she's exposed to uh you know mainstream anglo-saxon music and you know we listen to uh lots of politics probably no well i mean my um my my boyfriend is a huge heavy metal fan okay so my daughter listen grew up listening to metallica the purple um you know motorhead is a lot of oh and even some hard stuff like venom okay wow that's good it's important yeah exactly uh are there you you've mentioned a couple of canadian uh artists but are there other who are who would you say are your favorite musicians who are people you go to for comfort and to celebrate who are people you love listening to their music even today on a consistent basis oh well you know i will always go of course towards the beatles it's comforting to me but you know i love i actually love like something i have learned to appreciate is the purple really i mean i love young girls so as a an an artist a vocal artist um i listened to uh a deaf leopard was a big big big guy for a big band for me um i actually like like fans like glenn miller so but uh that can dance i don't know if you know of this man um it's my boyfriend my boyfriend is a huge middlehead introduction that can dance and it was a huge revelation for me i love i think it makes me feel good whatever move i can listen to the same song in in a different mood and just uh nerve it reveals itself in a different way to me so that can dance on one side but it can be like metallica on the other side depends on how i feel uh beetles always um jimi hendrix oh my god well they flavor you know because of the nostalgic effect and you know basically any rocker of the uh of that era but also pop music sometimes i you know i have like recollection of my teenage years so rock set was something for me yeah yeah the swedish duel so um it's it depends really on my mood i love classical music sometimes i go towards uh like gershwin joshua schwinn and glenn miller stuff like that i love yeah i love the diversity of your you Podcast know the love of your music uh so let's go back to your podcast now what's it give me the name again it's uh le contour it's french uh so but i know that you know funny thing when i look at the stats on my on the anchor platform right the biggest audience like biggest section of the audience come from the us oh okay so i don't know maybe there are francophiles in the u.s and then it's canada and then it's germany so yeah that's that's pretty cool yeah i'm pretty i'm pretty stoked about this yeah so how often do you put out episodes uh it used to be uh weekly but it's a lot of work to uh you know because it's basically so writing workshop so i find my games my writing exercises or challenges and it was a lot of work i would i always have the anxiety of what if i don't come up with something within a year or two what if i run out of exercise and maybe there's there's no such such thing but i i'm going to space it like bi-weekly so it gives me time to really prepare i was supposed to originally uh put mine online yesterday and i got interrupted so i had to uh get back at it today and you know put it on online the first episode of says and do i already have one season that's complete so i'm starting season two now how did you decide what seasons were i i usually um go over a bit over like all the way to maybe the 20th episode and then start back like i tried to do it like in a year as they say 2020 is going to be season 1 and 20 21 is gonna be season two did not work that way okay i i started a new past a certain number of episodes and you know it still a little bit messy because i'm i'm learning as i go yeah we all are uh you know we all are Favourite episodes absolutely um so about um talk to me about some of your favorite episodes what are sums that are you're really proud of and is it do you normally have do you have guests is it just you know you interacting tell me how you interact first off yeah do you have guests normally i don't have a guest yet okay of course i'm always like pitching for people to send me their text like some text they have a yeah sorry about this okay so um i'm i'm uh i'm always alone most of the time of course i'm always open to guests um it hasn't happened yet because i think i'm i'm still building my audience and i'm starting pitch to get texts now so i can read them aloud and you make the the the next person the new star of the podcast i haven't received anything yet but you know it's a learning process and hopefully my biggest dream i'm not sure if i can realize it nor exceed it is a there's this french actor called fabulous zucchini yes this guy can read the you know the type of actor who can read the phone book and make it sound like fortress yeah he's one of the last generation to actually really enough shape well in the most old-school way and he uh he like when he's like reciting moliere it's amazing too it's like music to listen to this guy if i could have an exchange about torture with this guy that would be the holy grail of my podcast Format so is it the format normally your it's you talked about it's almost a a writing exercise so the idea is you you go through different or walk me through an episode you're really proud of tell me about that process well uh usually i started to i start with announcements so i'm going to say my projects what i'm working on right now and then it's going to be literary appreciation i'm going to read a poem from a well-known foot for people who are not much into poetry to appreciate not only the poem but the french language through poetry because i think there's a a a love-hate relationship from the french union with their language because they they stumble upon the grammar and only think about the difficulty of how and complexity of french language which is more than that but if they were introduced to uh you know poetry and listen to how french would really sound you know uh you know the musical flowing way i'm trying to make them appreciate them appreciate that then it's a structural it's a very structured where writing workshops there are always five genres first there's a um warming up exercise so it's not nothing too complicated something that will come out of your head quite easily after that it's a something to simulate your fiction uh writing after that it's for a poetry exercise and then it's a reflection so i go for a quote i go from a quote from a philosopher poet whatever and i let this person you know there are there might be philosophers in the uh in the audience so you know and they can write about what they want from the the quote i say and then after there's a statistics exercise the statistics in french is the art of you know writing well so it's something that you may would make your sentence go from this long and you know you take out some words or you transform your center your syntax and it becomes a sentence of a better quality my most proud moment is when i could i in the literary appreciation i gave my own interpretation or reading of the story of um eurodis and rp or i don't know how you call them a far few orpheus it's a a story about uh greek mythology yes orpheus right yeah arceus hear this and yeah i think i read this i know i had to rewrite it and read this um during the valentine's day podcast i think it's one of the most underrated and beautiful love story i've ever heard so i had i wanted to introduce this and i don't know if i my rendition was okay or even well but i had a lot of fun uh sharing this story to uh to my audience you know what i what i love is i think Poetry i've always grown up being a reader you know i uh my dad was in the army so we moved around a lot and uh so books were always my friend and so i i've always been a vicious reader and so i love anything that you know pushes that um literary and and to continue that love of reading i just had um i had an episode that went out this week sophie sparham who is a poet uh from the uk um and poetry is one of my blank spots you know i i've love a lot of fiction a lot of um you know mysteries and science fiction and popular culture you know books but poetry is just something that i've never gotten into and i feel like i'm missing a lot of beauty by not exploring that genre i think that's that's you know you said beauty and that's the key word i think people need beauty in their lives everyday life and uh maybe poetry is the most underrated art to discover the beauty through the words through the wording of the poets and the music of you know all those words all sewn together and i think i'm trying to also stimulate that in the audience and my uh writing workshop participants define the beauty and the poetry uh in their everyday life even my banner on the facebook it said like you know there's the uh there's the slogan like it's a create share and inspire and then it says you know the poetry and you're left with them which means poetry in your everyday life so fight to find the goal trick in the littlest things because poets sometimes of course they have like their own views you know regardless of you if you're the of the era if you're in the romantics the reality the the uh ensembl encyclopedias or la please whatever you know these people have their own view you know of poetry but they i mean i'm pretty sure they found it in you know the littlest thing from the littlest things to the most grandiose of feelings yes i'm trying to i'm trying to help the person in my workshop view you know open their eyes you know look up and open their eyes of what what is poetry around them Wake creativity in people you know natalie one of the things that i talk about is i try to get people to join me on the podcast and they'll say oh i don't have anything interested to say or well i'm not you know and i always say i think every every every music fan not just bruce springsteen fan but every music fan has a story to tell i think there is something about how music has helped them in their lives and and how they've celebrated good things and helped to mourn you know and and get through bad things and i i get the same sense with you that you're saying all of us are writers and we just don't realize it at times all of us has the ability to create something unique to us whether it's prose or poetry and that's one of your missions is to try to wake that creativity in people is that a fair statement yes it is a fair statement and also to do democratize poetry because i think writing in general is still there's still a misconception that it's only for intellectuals i've heard i have people dragging their husbands because most of my niche is women and dragging their husbands or boyfriends to my uh writing workshops events and they're always like oh well i'm a writer but but i don't want a writer's point of view i want your point of view or defend to compare themselves which is interesting because it's like the person who just read aloud their text the person next after that is going to say i didn't do anything as good as she did and i'm saying i don't want to know her view i just heard it i want to know your color i want to know your inner garden which is beautiful everybody has a rich story to tell everybody is unique and i want to you know my mission is also to um make them see that writing is a tool an artist can use as much as a you know for for a good and bad time as much as the musician has his violin i mean you can bring a pad everywhere and write in your incentive sometimes it doesn't have to be verses it can be words that you can put together and rewrite and rewrite until you get your satisfactory uh you know some a result that is satisfactory to you Memorable concerts yeah i i think you know one of the things that we have lost is right we don't write letters anymore we don't you know we we may send emails but often we just text instead of actually you know writing letters to people and sharing and what's going on so yeah that's uh that's good for you i think this is a wonderful wonderful thing uh you shared a little bit about this this you know you're seeing your uh one of your favorite musicians live in that small little venue are there other memorable concerts you've gone to other shows that you know have stick out in your memory oh yes my first concert i was just in the transition between high school and college but you know mind you just a parenthesis here we have a i think in quebec revenue unique academic structure so right after high school we have c jeff c cjp is an acronym for uh college of general and professional studies source you have to go through cj before university but firms you for your concentration whether you want to go in human science or whatever so i was i was transitioning between high school and egypt and um my sister said oh you want to come to uh that leopard concert i'm like oh yeah whatever i wasn't too i mean in my teen years i was into broadway musicals you know i wish i had heavy metal in my teen years but i was into broadway musicals i saw cats i saw phantom of the opera i saw les miserables which was the most emotional concert so it was a huge jump from radio broadway musicals to rock concerts and my god i never came i would never turn back after that i it was a huge party for me my a my ears rang long after because the people were so loud but it wasn't it was just know that during the adrenaline right after the adrenaline uh album release so it was i mean the recounts uh ground platform would right the scenics was the snow sonography was amazing the atmosphere was amazing so then i you discovered the rock concert you know atmosphere so i didn't want to stop there so i went to see bob jovi and after that my boyfriend wanted me to discover iron maiden so yeah iron maiden was big too uh i was really impressed by bros dickenson i was really far away and i could see running him i could see him running across the stage he was in his 50s and i was like wow this guy is fake man and he spoke a little bit in french as well so uh props to him for that so yeah the developer was a huge eye opening on the the the rock scene it was really awesome so i missed these but the concert tickets are getting more and more expensive and so they are not portable it yes even bon jovi it has come up to 200 something the last time i wanted to see it with my best friend who was really into me he was just for old time's sake and i was like then they used to sing for the working man and now it's like 200 something even the working man can afford it but you know my two cents about this all over all uh rock rock music is uh was and i would die if you could see metallica once in my life and that can dance i know they are touring in europe and i cannot wait to for them to do a tour in north america i wish i could bring my mom to see a dad camp in sponsor because she had the sorry i'm rambling on no no no you're doing fine i'm going overtime so uh yes you she just got her diagnosis of stage four cancer she's in remission right now oh good i think that would like be a very iconic moment for both her and i because i used to see lots of shows with my mom we have like a really great relationship uh like we came from like mother and daughter to friends we saw lots of concerts i saw lots of like world music concerts during the you know there's a montreal justice civil and i don't think i ever saw a jazz concert during the dress festival it was mostly like of course second singer or lorena mckinnon which isn't the same uh the same genre as dead can dance really she's a canadian senior uh something that one of she's one of my best concert memory comes from lorena mckinnon it was um surreal because she was she came on the stage she was like a thorough it's like she was floating on the stage like just to fit her with her genre and we were so relaxed during the whole show it was like a feel-good moment and then we then when the show was over we went out it was you know the the mantra festival john sister was booming and it was such a contrast between this calm ethereal relaxant show and the whole effervescence of the jazz festival outside what so yeah i i tend to forget her as a memorable show but lorena mckinnon is a mercy did um Bruce Springsteen are you fr you mentioned loving broadway in the past did you uh one of my favorite current broadway shows is come from away are you familiar with that because you know it's from it's from a canadian perspective no no i don't know about this there are so many of them i don't know yeah come from away is based on the true story about um after 9 11 all the planes had to go to gander uh to and then it's a musical set about that that few days after 9 11. it's a really beautiful musical so yeah um so um this is a bruce springsteen podcast any thoughts about bruce have you done any has have you watched his broadway show on streaming like on netflix no i never didn't even know he had a i'm not i'm not i'm gonna i'm not gonna like you i'm not i cannot say i can't pretend i'm a fan of bruce springsteen i respect the artist though sure you know sometimes you there are artists you appreciate without being fans but you respect who they are and what they did yes uh i don't have a personal anecdote with bro springsteen but someone i know so i'm going to share it this guy uh went to a festival where blue string scene was and he said people were drenched with rain they were exhausted you know they were the hours of festival the weather was not on their side yeah but then bruce springsteen came on on stage and apparently the energy came back up when he came so he has this effect on people i didn't know about and it was really an interesting and adult this guy told me apparently bro springsteen has a magical way with people and uh um but i i don't have any personal i don't like it he was big in the 80s but i was into something else like jiren duran like one head founders like platinum blonde which was a canadian back in the day you know pretty boys and you know i was a young carol so yeah i wasn't the guys i had crushes on so um President Obama a couple years ago he did a broadway show he had just done his autobiography and uh the story is president obama reached out to him and said hey would you be open to doing something for my senior staff you know where my my second term is ending i'd like to do something special for my people that have been here would you be willing to come to the white house and do a small performance and bruce said absolutely he says you know it was impractical to bring the band so what he did is he worked up a show where he read a little bit of his autobiography and sang a few songs and afterwards uh president obama tells the story that he went up to bruce and said you know that's a show you you should you should tour with that and so when they reached out to him to appear on broadway he did it and so they filmed it for netflix so it's available in the us and netflix i'm sure you can find it in the canadian version uh but it is him on stage um it's not a concert it is a show it is the story of his life and he sings different songs and tells stories of his life so um i i'd love for you to watch it and then from a maybe come back and tell from a not a literary criticism you know but from an artistic as someone who's talking about storytelling i think it'd be interesting nathalie to hear your thoughts on the creative process and what you felt about watching that yeah sure i think i saw a little bit of it and now i'm not you're saying it it was that was him singing songs and talking with his making with his audiences yeah yeah yeah he's uh it was yeah i i saw a little bit of it uh my it's my boyfriend you just said you tried to die to try this because you know also he know he knows of bruce springsteen and uh i think it was it sounds it sounded like very intimate like it was birthday i was uh impressed of the amount of communication that we had the audience without knowing you know the premise and the whole context of it so it was i i guess it was a but i didn't know it was about him though yeah so good you have to check it out let me know all right uh what's next for the podcast you said you're starting on your another season what where do you want to go with the podcast uh i really would like to have more uh more and more uh texts from the uh the audience or well uh my niche on facebook or instagram or even even because i'm going i'm working on workshops uh here at home in lake rome within a nice venue that is surrounded with nature and things would be a fertile terrain for a new ideas new text new so uh of course i'll have maybe if i have like a direct contact with customers then it could be a you know so you know i could bring material to the podcast uh and you know hopefully have like more participation from the every people sometimes i share my my my writing as well to show them hey no i come from a place when i used to write i have more time i left list less time for writing and more time for um too much time for organizing everything but um more and more participation from the audience and maybe some guests but you know like maybe i can find them on the same app as we found each other very nice i i appreciate that this has been wonderful um all right any final thoughts before we get to the mary question uh well yes maybe i'm trying i would like to have an english version of what i'm doing i don't know what do you think would be a good idea i think so yeah i think so i think there yeah i think there would be an audience for people that are trying to spark their creativity and yeah so i think absolutely where i feel handicapped is i don't know as much as uh english literature as i know as french literature but i like to learn along the way i love to do the research i love to i think the same format the my biggest limit is my fear of being an imposter since you know english my my language or nor my culture but uh yeah maybe uh one day i'll give it a try yeah at least do it like a like a one-off episode like say okay here we're going to do and uh you know if we um you know we can always i'd be glad to join you and we could talk about springsteen lyrics as poetry so therefore yeah we could talk about i could pick a couple of songs that uh the lyrics are uh mean especially much and i you know i'm inviting myself to your podcast but i'd be glad to do that and to help you so that'd be fun all right yeah so uh Mary Question i hope that you've enjoyed the conversation if you are a fan of miss benoit and you are over here listening to her she has made all uh your fridge canadian fans proud um i end every episode with the mary question jay armstrong is an honors english teacher who is recently retired he has a new book out bedtime stories for the living he and you would get along uh he he would do uh writing workshops as well he would with his high school students they would spend a weekend and just doing working uh you know almost like a you know they would have t-shirts printed up and they would be they would spend the day saturday eight hours writing and just talking about it yeah so absolutely wonderful person but he would um when he was teaching he would spend two days breaking apart the song thunder road talk about the lyrics talk about the imagery bruce uses and then at the end of the two days he asked the question does mary get in the car so natalie that's your question does mary get the car at the end of thunder road it gave me a lot of thought you know i was looking for hints as to what would motivate her decision in the song in the lyrics i've i had to read have to read it twice even three times i guess i'm gonna say she did maybe because of my own personal experience i mean the the guy's determination is maybe deserves uh some sort of reward from mary she seems to be stuck in a pattern but i tend to be stuck in that pattern of i'm going to see how i interpret it you know as a non-native english speaker she seemed to be stuck in a pattern where she turns out she used maybe she out of insecurity she turned away boys maybe for fear of intimacy or something yeah somehow i kind of relate to her and somehow i had to give in and say you know what sometimes you just have to dive in the abyss and give this guy a chance this is why i'm with my partner right now yeah so and uh you know he's into cars and stuff so yeah i'm gonna say she she gave she gave mike a chance and hopped in the car yeah i think well said um you know i do think that's what the song is the song is about choices and fear and do you do you embrace the fear or do you take a chance uh and try to do something so very nice uh if someone wants to reach you what's the best that they can uh they can't start with facebook not my favorite app but still the one i'm working harder on uh i have a website www.lakecondolet alltogether.com or uh i will have a link of that in the paper on the show notes perfect okay i think the best introduction is either facebook or instagram and the restful problem okay very nice um this was wonderful i i had so much fun getting to meet you i look forward to continued communication uh yeah do you want to do you want to have a closing for your friends of uh french speaking do you want to close us out in french uh yeah well uh in french languages [Music] episodes [Music] perfect thank you listeners i hope you've enjoyed the episode thank you natalie listeners go get vaccinated go get boosted and let's be kind to each other because that's how we're going to get through this thank you listeners thank you natalie we'll talk to you soon goodbye bye doing a podcast at times can be a one-way conversation and i 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