Jack Black | Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

welcome welcome welcome to armchair expert I'm Dak Shepard I'm joined by Monica Patman hi hello oh this was a long time coming in fact I think I even flirted with this around the strike time when I had gone and done a charity event on stage and I told the story about chatting with him backstage and we were both like well when's he coming on and now he's finally here he barely does anything he does it was very flattering that he came here Jack Black oh my god do I love Jack Black who doesn't love Jack black he's an award-winning actor a comedian and a musician Kung Fu Panda Nono Libre jumongi Welcome to the Jungle the holiday and he has a new movie out in theaters this Friday the 9th called Borderlands dystopian futuristic tale he plays a robot oh yes um I love Jack Black me too he's he is I think one of the most likable celebrities and he also is a rockar Tenacious D is rockar so kickass it's crazy how good his voice is yeah he's Sayang a little bit he did yeah he sing sings a little bit which is fun yeah I listen to him sing all day long please enjoy Jack Black he's an he's hi oh my God what an entrance you so s oh more than a shake mus down good to see you good to see you I like the suspenders I wanted to be playful and cute for you the engineer pantaloons pantalon Jack almost drank some of our spoiled milk thank God we CAU it we have spoil we offer spoiled milk yes I didn't even know that was an option there were three different flavors of spoiled milk oh my goodness I like to come and throw people's spool of milk away what are you drinking there coffee coffee I knew it just a little giddy up and go you want to know what I'm working with yeah the remains of my pre-workout oh yeah you ever [ __ ] with pre-workout no oh my God Jack I do get my steps in fact I got some steps on the way here you walked but we liveed so close to each other I did not nearly get enough steps that's how close we are together I was with my kids I bet it was 3 weeks ago it was like on a Sunday and we were coming down Vermont and we were right at Finley and we saw old Jack Black on the corner adorned in tie dye like a middle of a Sunday that's how I do about to cross Vermont on your own and I don't know why it made me so happy did you give a shout out I didn't do you wrestle with this I'm like this man gets shouted at I shouldn't shout at him I wanted to very badly and this is a little bit of a pattern we've already developed yeah yeah well I have the headphones on so I have plausible deniability I can always pretend like I didn't hear the shout out have you ever thought about incorporating blue blockers as well so that there's no way eye contact wise we know if you saw yeah I like to go noise cancellation and listen to whatever I'm listening to my book or music and then I will still hear a shout out I shouldn't even admit this but sometimes I hear a shout out and sometimes not sometimes you don't probably I don't know I don't know when I don't hear it that's a big question mark how would you but I plow forward nine times out of 10 just thinking if I actually know that person they'll hit me with a text later I'm not going to stop and chat if I don't have to just cuz I I'm like scared of the stranger danger yeah sure sure sure sure sure well there's a lot that happens I would imagine you have the same thing I do which is like there's some commitment to deliver it's not like they're meeting Daniel de Lewis and they're expecting a somber smile it's like you're a Good Time Charlie you're fwn and I feel like I better give that to you and then the question is do I have the energy right right now to give that to you that's the thing and also are you on your way somewhere sometimes you got to be rude yeah unfortunately got to be rude it's 100% part of the job and I love my job it's a small price to pay for the incredible life that I've had I will stop and chat with anyone who loves my junk it's a bummer when you stop and chat cuz they've shouted you down or chased you down and then you realize they don't really know who you are they're just like I know you from somewhere can you tell me everything you've done no no keep going oh I have a friend who says something great Michael rosenbom he was Lex Luthor on Smallville and he always had his head shaved so he definitely gets it bad where people they know they know him but he doesn't have his head shaved and his go-to is they'll go where do I know you from and he'll go did you see Sea Biscuit and they go yeah and they're so excited about remembering seab biscuit that then he's just moving on and he's not in seab biscuit that's a good move that's a good pivot you're so distinct and my guess is that you might struggle with like I could go out and not be distinct but then who are you do you struggle with that yeah no I don't know how to go out not distinct I don't think it matters what I wear I think they can tell from my gate and from my shape have you tried camouflage no okay but I have worn a stormtrooper mask I've done stuff to where it should be you can't know who's under there I don't think I would do well on the mask singer I think everyone would know but wouldn't it be cool if you had a button where it was like anonymous and then turn it back on when you need it when you've got an event where you have to turn on the mustard yeah like a cloak a visibility cloak but if I had to choose the button only goes one way for the rest of my life I'd leave it on I like the life I mean I'd leave it off if it's an anonymity button I'd rather be known oh my God knock on wood I shouldn't have even played with that but definitely be careful what you wish for yes yes it be like Twilight Zone episode dude that would be a good Twilight Zone episode do you want to reboot Twilight Zone wait a second we should talk to Jordan Peele right oh that's whose hands we would trusted in well he did do it for a season maybe he just dipped his toe in the Twilight Zone Waters cuz I think he was like the new Rod Sterling for a minute remember I don't remember that are you sure it's out yet let me tell you something I love me some Jordan Peele me too and you've met him I'm sure never crossed paths with them never met have you met him we interviewed him and I think you would like him 10x if you sat and got to know him he's a very special and sweet person yeah I've watched all of the movies several times and I've always find deeper layers in every watching and top 10 funniest people of all time yes dude key and peel for get funnier than that and when I see them scrolling through the Tik toks or the Instagrams I'm like it's getting funnier that hat making sketch do you remember that the best unreal the cap outdoing each other the competition of the cap there's a woman making it on his head he's got a whole sweat shop on his head there's a handful of sketches that made such Impressions on me throughout my life there's a couple Mr show sketches oh yeah just brought one up with polar she was on but do you remember the sketch you were on Mr Show yep I did a little thing here and there where Dave cross was hosting a talk show and he was answering questions but the questions were given on the previous episode and so he wants to remind the callers to not ask questions about the pets because that was last week's episode and it starts and he's completely disheveled and falling apart and then he pans a TV around and he goes see this was last week's and he looks a little better he's like just to remind everyone the concept of the show you're going to be calling for this episode right yeah they're trying to delay the questions they've only done five shows and every time he turns the TV he's getting better and better looking and then the first show he looks great and he's so excited about this New Concept well we're not going to take callers today cuz I'm going to give the topic for next week's calls that's more than comedy though it's it's math it's mind-blowing you know like a mathematical equation and surrealist genius they are one of my favorites of all time not only because they were so funny and Brilliant but also they kind of gave me my big break it was Mr show that discovered Tenacious D and gave us a platform they put us on HBO right before them or was it right after I can't remember if we were the Caboose or like a little cartoon right before Mr show but it wasn't animated it was me and Kyle doing Tenacious D that's what really got my career started I had little Parts before that but that was The Big Break Jack I was front row for all this you were there at the tapings I did go do a taping but I moved to LA in 96 I wanted to get into comedy I didn't know what to do I started at the ground Lings I had one friend who was dialed into yall's scene which was the Largo scene and I went to every show at Largo and I saw you numerous times times and I was enamored with you genuinely and then you were a guy I would be around in real life who then was all of a sudden on HBO and I was like oh my God this a guy from the alternative comedy scene like I was watching so excited that people like you were coming off of that stage and getting on HBO it was so thrilling that was an exciting time the alternative comedy scene you could feel it at the time that it was a movement and it was kind of springing out of alt Rock the tail end of that and that was the world I had been submersed in in Detroit and I was like oh this is weird this is like comedy and punk rock some of them like Bob Odenkirk came from the Saturday Night Live world but he kind of came out of there with a chip on his shoulder and an edge and a fire and maybe a little burn in his gut and he wanted to flip it over and turn it upside down and give it back to him in a subversive brilliant way it was fun and exciting and anyone could get in it didn't really matter where you were from I didn't have any in with that crowd but me and Kyle were from this Theater Company actors gang theater company and we started writing songs and playing songs we had one song and we went to this place called Al's Bar in the middle of downtown a total dive hipster Stoner drunk people like maybe 12 people in the audience sure sure and we played tribute our one and only song and who's in the audience David Cross wow so lucky and he was like you guys are great I have a comedy troop you guys should open for us we're called Mr show I didn't know who they were and I had spent the whole decade before that scraping and surviving and going on every audition turning down nothing I do everything but you landed in some of my favorite stuff Northern Exposure is like my all-time favorite show to this day I can't rewatch that but thank you I'm going to take the compliment okay why can't you rewatch I just remember at the time being so horrified and embarrassed by my performance and the weird way I looked I was like oh what was the part what did you play I was just so nervous and I had a hard time finding my voice in that character it was kind of the Lost Years my 20s were I didn't really know who I was yet I got some little Parts here and there but I always felt like I didn't quite nail it it wasn't until Tenacious D that I started to feel like oh this is my voice and that's why if anyone ever asks me how'd you do it what do I do I want to be an actor I always tell him start writing and find your voice that way I know it sounds really really simple and yet it's probably the most elusive thing your voice and you can weirdly when I look back before I found my voice as an actor till after when I listen I'm like yeah that's actually not I mean figuratively and literally learning how to talk the way you would talk to your friend takes a INE the early days you have to just be a puppet in someone else's Vision you're always just coming from a place of giving them what they want you don't exist you're just a vessel it's not until you start to get a little more self-confidence and participate in the creative process where you're doing a dance with the director and they're like okay so that's what you want here's what I want and then you kind of meet each other in the middle that's a spark of something good and your voice you're right you spend the first part of your career trying to figure out what they want and you literally never ask yourself what would I want to see myself do in this which is tricky because the reason they want you is because of your voice but you haven't had time to show your voice like it's this bizarre cycle Catch 22 catch JD Sounder yeah I want to start at the beginning I'll go wherever you want before we start at the beginning I just saw you recently and we just kind of touched on it where I saw you on the street and like I didn't know what to do and then I had seen you backstage at this thing we did some fundraiser recently downtown we were doing it for the crew all the crew that were hurting during pandemic times cuz they were all out of work and everyone talked about how the actors and the writers and the directors were out of board but no one was talking about how the crew right probably hurting the most so that was a great cause yeah it was and then we were both there but it was weird cuz pandemic was still going on and we all kind of crowded into that backstage area there's like a hundred comedians all like was it for that or the strike it was for the strike sorry you're right was for the strike yeah cuz it was recent you know what it was in my mind I was still in the pandemic I felt weird about being with people yes well that's kind of what we talked about so I was crossing the Green Room to get myself something to drink I spotted you on the couch and honestly I even talked about it on the show after this happened I had a moment where I was like I feel good about going and talking to Jack finally and I'm going to do it for I'm going to get a Diet Coke and you saw me look at you and then you walk across the room and you go hey don't ignore me you saw me and then I was like no no for real my game plan is I'm coming directly to you after I get this Diet Coke and then I sat down with you and we chatted for a minute and yeah just to bolster your claim you were like yeah I haven't been around this many people a long time well it felt like a super spreader and I kind of settled in and I unlike the rest of the world was enjoying my isolation stay in my bubble I'm always in there anyway you're built for it it was good to hang out with you and it was funny that you were planning on coming back to hang with me but my insecurity forced me to yell out to you I know there's cooler people on that side of the room this is my question when you were around that Largo alternative scene were you intimidated or did you feel comfortable I never felt really part of the alternative comedy scene felt like me and Kyle were kind of these theater nerds on the outside of it but I love it and I loved them and I loved that world and lgo was the best the layers of perspective are just so funny cuz of course from my vantage point was like oh these two are so dialed into this whole world they're like the M heads of this well we had a sweet golden ticket thanks to Mr show we became fast friends with flanny Mark Flanigan the owner of Largo what a guy that was the hot spot for all of the comedy that I was checking out can you relate to from the outside your in that core world you start on Mr Show you work with Stiller there seems to be all these yummy clubs you've been invited into in you're in but do you still identify more with I'm a theater nerd musician and I'm not named the comedian yeah I guess my core is theater nerd that goes back to my roots in high school that's the Fountain Head of my creativity I used to have dreams I remember when I was in high school I went to Crossroads for my last two years of high school little private School in Santa Monica for the Arts and Sciences lot of famous Alum yeah Jonah Hill came from there I don't think he's been back to visit though I think he's like [ __ ] that school bunch of rich kids I don't think he really would claim it I claim it because it was huge part of me getting started on my journey had a great teacher there Scott wi who was real challenging and high schoolers don't usually do a production of Caucasian chalk Circle by B brick really heady stuff great material and I got over huge state fright like I wasn't going to do the first show I was like I'm quitting the show the day before the show and he was like Jack meet me at the ray Cafe let's talk about it and he talked me off the ledge and I just went through huge personal demons at that school in that theater and I remember I had dreams there of being in the theater and having the power of flight like I could fly like a superhero when I was in the theater I was like I'm going use my powers and I fly out of the theater doors and then immediately lose my powers of flight just be a regular human and that was just a perfect dream that I still remember that captured the power of that creativity the theater and that world will always be the main thing well an Apple's probably never fallen further from the tree than your parents both being engineers in the Aerospace industry your mother in particular it's very rare that I research someone and their mother has their own Wikipedia page with a hyperlink so your mom was a [ __ ] gangster worked on Hubble Apollo 13 she helped with the abort guidance system in the Mana something nuclear missile tracking system probably now you know more about I need to go back and read that Wikipedia you probably some additions in the last few years your mom is born in 1933 and she's a [ __ ] engineer she doesn't meet a single Other Woman becoming an engineer getting her double Masters your mom must have been a very unique human being she was a badass she was super smart and she was super fiery and passionate she had to decide when she was a teenager between ballet or going into engineering school she decided that ballet didn't have a very long career path and engineering school had more possibilities but if she really had it her way she would have done both there was a little bit of a call to the theater in a way I inherited that part she took golf to find the lights what is it she took off to find the foot lights and I took off to find the sky I know you know what it is you don't know what he's singing do you Terry chapen I don't know wait who text Terry chapen Terry chapen man now you found the limits of my theater I'm sure that would be you is that from trip in so high when I'm stoned oh boy you know this [ __ ] I'm going to listen to it as soon as this is over hariry chaping about yeah he falls in love with a girl she goes to chase the foot lights of the stage and he takes off he was going to be a pilot but all it ended up happening is he gets high in his cab but he picks her up one Rainy Night from the airport years after they had their romance and he drives her home is he a stoner yeah big time and she's into theater she became a very I'm just a stoner I can't help you and then she she leaves him yes for the White Hot Lights of Broadway yes and he's just stuck smoking a joint on his couch well he was going to be a pilot but he never got it together and then he was humbled by having to drive her as her Taxi Driver years later incredible emotional song I can't you know he became a rock star to get the last laugh he did that's the good news Monica cut this entire thing please I'm not this Sal this is gold you know of course Cats in the Cradle you like that one though that same guy yeah Harry chapen okay I know the hit okay I know the hit yeah this one you'll recognize is it going to be the second song I yes it will be okay and it probably charted in the 50s when it was out so you've heard it but Cats in the Cradle became more famous not because of his version right didn't a '90s or ' 80s rock band cover it cats in the crad how I know it are we not talking about no um um poison no no no no oh [ __ ] not no doubt but it sounds like that the guy had really long hair were so sidetracked but doubt find it Cat Stevens no not Cat Stevens [ __ ] cat St get him out of here Rob I love Cat Stevens you SEF Islam what's your favorite song dude anything from Harold and Ma oh trouble trouble oh and what wet the children hey hey hey oh [ __ ] yes that dude's a master I like the one in Russ youturn cuz you were anti Cat Stevens a second ago oh I love cat stens but he had no place in the cats and cradle conversation Stevens can't do the Cradle that's too redundant cat you just said cat homeboy came in with the Cat Stevens but I like the one that's in Rushmore the most oh it's the most beautiful I even remember that cat stens you know I'm family love isn't that the greatest a good movie wind wind oh wind is great by the wind of the wind of my soul [Music] where I end up where I go only God really [Music] knows you got it I can't sing but I got the lyrics sing it to made it to the next round remember that or maybe Christen did I used to sing it to the girls I just Advanced you to the next round [ __ ] can you be my coach how's it work can you advise we wear a mask I'm not sure yet I haven't pitched it yet to the studios all right we're back now dad was also an engineer yeah did they meet on the job weirdly my mother was an aerospace engineer she was really into Middle Eastern folk dancing here in Los Angeles and my father was a master electrician and he was also weirdly into Middle Eastern folk dancing and that's where they met wow through their relationship he became an aerospace engineer they both ended up working at TRW and she had already had a husband and had your three siblings cor my half brothers and half sister so again this is a woman born in the 30s who becomes an engineer and also kicked a guy to the curb in the 60s which didn't happen right exactly what a renegade she started off living in Brooklyn in the 30s so she saw World War II come up she saw all of that crazy [ __ ] go down and she would get on a train from Brooklyn to Manhattan when she was like 9 years old by herself to go to ballet CL can you imagine a world where 9-year-old gets on a train it was a different New York yeah kids can get on trains by themselves why not so she meets my dad and they're both brainiacs and they're both into crazy dances from all around the world they both had little bits of the Arts they were dancers but I did fall pretty far from the tree neither of them had ever been in the theater proper and I didn't have any connections in that world I was not a nepo baby the opposite quite in fact but they were super supportive of me they never pressured me to have something to fall back on but they were I found out years later worried of course they were they kept it for me which is great that's what good parents should do he said something about alternative comedy as if normal comedy is not hard enough he's chosen an alternative comedy route did you excel at science I'm guessing no that was the other reason they were worried about me like his grades we're brainiacs how come he's not getting straight a jack when you think about how different your kids might potentially be from you if you're the first female to be an engineer and your kid Can't Get Through Chemistry I mean they're a literal rocket scientists let's call it what it is those are it's r that you can say yeah you can barely ever say it but here we can say it yeah and their kid just can't get it D they have goes to show you never know what the next generation's going to be capable of no matter who their parents are it can come from anywhere but they came to every performance of every show that I did through high school and and my mom got rester soul never blinked once when I had to keep on coming home in my old room all through my 20s it wasn't until I was 30 that I really got my proper footing really yeah well tenacious did right when I came up on your radar is when I was finally getting a foothold I would love a baby like Jack he could come stay back at my house anytime I bet she just adored you I was a handful though I had struggles with drugs and there was lots of reasons she should have would have could have kicked me to the curb but she didn't k oh the devil's dandruff the Boogie shy I don't have I wish I could have kept on colian flake a you've got more names sh we powder our nose the embarrassing conversation you realize the next day you shouldn't have had drug what I read was you were very Advanced you got into it way earlier than I did I did and acid too my brains should not have survived and in many ways they didn't or set you on this great trajectory but in Rapid order you grew up in Hermosa you moved to Culver City at 10 Mom and Dad get divorced you move in with Dad In fairness though I was getting bad grades before that so that's not why I became a dumbass we're not going to blame that okay but still disruptive very much so and when you get to Culver City is much different vibe than Hermosa were you doing well socially in Hermosa we moved out of there I think I was 10 I never really fit in Hermosa cuz I was never really a surfer I went out with a couple friends once and I got like a rash on my belly and I had a walk water logged surfboard and I didn't like getting up at 5: in the morning there was so many reasons I'd just never fit in with that Surfer crowd and even though it is the hot bed of punk rock I didn't know about punk rock I was there in the 70s but I didn't know Black Flag they weren't on my radar is that where black flag's from Hermosa Beach yeah because Keith Morris who is a Hermosa native was there with black flag at the very beginning there was all kinds of radical scene happening there but I was never really part of it and then moved to Culver City went to Junior High there and started dabbling with the devil's dandruff and all kinds of in Middle School who introduced you to the devil no once I got my bar mitzvah at 13 years old and became a man I was now ready to experiment with and also I was just getting into heavy metal music and I don't want to blame heavy metal music for my dark path but it was definitely a right of passage in a beas and Butthead way like yeah this is what it means to be a man to be in the devil music and be hardcore and the same way my kids I think got really into super scary movies when they were like 12 13 years old and I was like this is a little too scary for a kid it's a ride of Passage so you want to go to the dark side to prove you can survive it and so I went down that road and the more dangerous the more attractive it shows your bravery more and more I don't think people who are not all right so you're exactly my brother's age and I don't think people understand how present the devil was in our culture yeah the devil moral Panic was nationwide at this point and you had many many popular metal acts that were proclaiming their allegiance to the devil you had Rodney James Doo friends of mine's older brothers would have upside down cross posters I remember being pretty terrified at 10 or 11 years old of how much satanic [ __ ] was swirling around it kind of was a way to show that you were Brave right you weren't afraid to Dance with the Devil that's right and it's funny cuz I've been doing a lot of research lately just going down rabbit holes and reading books about that era of rock and roll and Black Sabbath was the first one to really embrace it even though Leed Zeppelin had a little bit of that it was more about rumors that Jimmy pagee was into the occult but there were no songs that were like Satan came and spread his wings that never happened in Zeppelin you attribute that to Zeppelin because their sound was so hard rock and the angel on the album was a little like Fallen Angel little was it Lucifer it was a stretch but Black Sabbath they came out the gate their very first song Black Sabbath on the first album they kind of threw down the gauntlet but even Black Sabbath they were like no we never wanted to celebrate the devil we were just doing like a horror movie music but the marketing team the record label were like no we're going to lean heavy into this devil thing and this is your album cover it's like a haunted house and there's a lady that looks like a witch there it worked well upside down crosses everywhere on all the albums of that day lots of pentagrams but then they were so anti-satanism and they were like that's not who we are we're putting on a show you [ __ ] idiots and like when Anton Le or some of these hardcore satanists actually started rallying around and putting on parades Oh Black Sabbath is coming to town we embrace your Satanism they were like no you [ __ ] idiots they started wearing right side up crosses to ward off the evil spirit I'm just fascinated with that movement and music Alistair Crawley like he would hang out but that marriage never really happened maybe there were some bands that fully embraced it who were your bands in junior high in junior high before I found heavy metal I was all about like sticks loved the Grand Illusion loved yes great band I loved journey journey the softer side of rock your real Soul the little boy we all want to be before we get to Junior High and we realize we're going to get destroyed if we don't slay some lions in The Jungle by committing ourselves to the devil I was into sticks before the domo arigato Mr rato misstep that they had that kind of destroyed them no there's some damn good sticks you'd rather be a blue col man sh great songs and then I remember I went to the record store in Culver City to get the new journey I was going to expand my journey Library I remember cuz I loved Escape what a great album there's a dude there who's wearing like a flannel and he was like nah here this is what you should get and he handed me Aussie Osborne blizzard of Oz all right this guy seems cool I'm just going to do what he says and again so Aussie's still musical it's like still good music I'm going to say great music okay great I took that home now I'm only 13 years old mind you I took it home and I listened to it and it was the best thing I'd ever heard is crazy train on of course crazy train is on it yes blizzard of Oz baby it was a masterpiece and Randy road that guitarist who was with us two briefly died in the airplane crash up there was a Jus he was right there with Eddie Van Halen those two would have been duking it out all through the 80s if he had survived stay tuned for more armchair expert if you [Music] dare so Aussie was kind of the Gateway he was the Gateway and really it wasn't true metal there was a lot of pop music Hooks and beautiful like sections in there it's more classic Rocky to me yeah so that opened it up and I was like I got to see everything that Aussie's done so I went back and discovered Black Sabbath retroactively and then lead saplin and do you start wearing shirts declaring Your Allegiance to them and does that attract other boys and then once again the cooler the better cuz if I had the Black Sabbath with Ronnie James do era Black Sabbath The Mob Rules there's like a dark imagery and it looks like there's a Satan but it's subtle and people give you the nod of like approval like yeah yeah we're in the club okay so who breaks out the blot or the devil's dander first I was introduced to LSD I guess I was maybe 14 or maybe 13 it was a friend of mine I'm not looking for a name I'm just curious were you hanging with a 26-year-old dude that was a Tradesman he was older I did look up to him like a big brother figure I had a thing where I wanted a father figure even though I had a great dad but I wanted the dark dad I wanted the one that was going to show me the ways of the dark side and this guy filled in that role we did acid and I remember that night laughing as hard as I'd ever laughed and having this strange feeling of being whole for the first time and suddenly this big dark Mysterious Universe that I didn't know how I fit into it all felt right laughing till I cried and having kind of a weird spiritual experience but then it led to the darkest day or night of my life where it wouldn't stop and it stopped being fun and it was so bad that I was locked in this insane brain prison where all I could see was chess pieces going off into Infinity playing a game with myself and I had this Terror that I was never going to break free of it and it was like as good as that first hour and a half was it wasn't worth it and thank God I made it through the night I don't think I slept a minute once the thought enters your mind this may be permanent the second you have that you're [ __ ] cooked for hours yeah you're like oh [ __ ] you're remembering stories you heard growing up of like you know Mike Benner I saw him at the gas station he's been tripping for four years like you have this one story and you're like oh wow this is happening to me I'm going to be him so you stopped doing it after that I might have done it again after that actually like I think I got some bad acid that's what I heard sometimes you get the bad one there was a few hallucinogenic experiences mushrooms and acid but Coke now that's a sexy partner well I was just down to clown with anything that my big bro or my crew of heavy metal Maniacs were into at the time it wasn't a gang but it was like a Brotherhood there was some coke you know when you first take it there's an initial rush and a feeling it's similar in that a doorway opens in your brain and you're like I [ __ ] get it now and I have a lot of brilliant things to say really fast and you go for hours and hours and you say some things where you're talking about love and you're talking about Connections and you're talking about things in the future that you're going to do and it's in retrospect so embarrassing it is thank God there was no recording but it actually would have been nice if someone had recorded it just to play back as a cautionary tale of how ridiculous you can sound I witnessed myself a single time I had been recorded by my girlfriend and it's a bummer I mean I think that might be the lowest feeling I've had is looking at my face and going how I thought I was coming across versus what I'm seeing now what a gap but I would say the thing I liked about it most is I'm not optimistic I'm very pessimistic couple tootes of that stuff and I'm like you know what everything is going to work out I got spiritual I like talking about and stuff that I don't usually talk about and I don't really feel a connection to I'm definitely leaning atheist but for some reason once I get all cooked up or whatever the drug may be there's a version that brings out a nice side of yourself which is like I'm so interested in whoever I'm talking to someone will be telling me that their father was a firefighter and I'm like wait a minute and this is sincere I'm like oh my God so your D was like like a firefighter yeah and I'm in it this guy's dad was a hero tell me more and I want know about the movie of their life where their hero dad you already want that you don't imagine it squared seems it gives you a brief energy that lets you delve deeper than you normally would with other people maybe that's why Freud supposedly used it a lot in sessions so that they could go deeper than they usually would about themselves and about the nooks and crannies of their personality was the move to crosswords Crossroads crosswords we should open a competing School across the street called crosswords but were your parents sensing we need to put him somewhere else and get him out of this crew yeah but in the midst of all of that turmoil and darkness there was someone from the crew this dude was into this person who we had all met when we got on a bus and went to the arcade in Westwood it was called Westworld back when arcades were a thing play your favorite tabletop video games and we met these girls and we both fell for the same girl and he kind of called dibs or whatever and I was like dibs schms and then I started a romance on the side and he didn't know and then when he found out he wanted to kill me and then he did beat the [ __ ] out of me it wasn't over yet there was going to be some more ass kicking my parents just noticed that [ __ ] was going sideways and they're like we got to get you the [ __ ] out of there and I was like yeah I agree I don't want to be here anymore were you so relieved because you maybe wouldn't have sent up the white flag happened there so I went to this little tiny school called Poseidon that was on Pico between Bundy and barington it's not there anymore and it was a school with a lot of kids that had been kicked out of their schools from all over the city and it was kind of a last chance kind of school yeah was the island of broken toys Misfit Island but it had some great teachers in it there was a theater teacher named Deb dine who I latched on to and she taught us all improvisation Gam games and Viola bowling games and got us all thinking about telling stories and it was kind of like theater therapy you could work out some of your Demons by playing roles and just coming off the top of your head with [ __ ] you're going to say to the other person in the scene was kind of amazing and she is still a great theater force in Los Angeles she's got a theater called 21st Street Theater here in Downtown LA she has Outreach programs to kids all over the city who come and learn theater she's awesome lady yeah there was also like a therapist in the school there's only like 20 kids in the school but the therapist was a bodybuilder also oh wonderful because sometimes he would have to defend himself there's some rough characters at this school messages yeah were there smoking breaks built in I'm being sincere there was smoking and there was kids going in to see him and talk to him and I was like what's going on in there cuz there was some kids that it was compulsory they had to go talk to the therapist a certain amount of times a week and I was not in that group and I was jealous I like I want to talk to the muscle building therapist yeah I talked to him just on the side like how do you get into there he's like you can come in if you want you want to set an appointment I was like yeah and I went in there I just wanted to see what was going on in here and we got to talking and then it only took me about a minute before I started spilling my guts about how I had stolen money from my mom and all the [ __ ] that I was carrying around how guilty I was doing drugs the drugs but mainly the Betrayal of my mom who just was unconditional love for me and she didn't know that I had stolen money to get the drug and I just balled my eyes out I cried so hard and it felt so good cuz I grew up with a Jewish upbringing and I learned a lot of my value system there but I didn't have confessional and there was something about just sitting there with this therapist and just confessing my sins or whatever you want to call it my guilt that felt so cleansing and so shame yes I saw him for the next year once a week and it was like a major turning point for me yeah that's really lucky I don't know if this is exactly what you're explaining but I had this struggle with my mother who loved me beyond measure I was The Golden Child she believed I could do anything juggling The Duality of wanting to live up to how much she loved me and then also [ __ ] running with the devil any chance I could trying to [ __ ] do drugs just living with this kind of dualistic identity was rough I felt a lot of deep shame that I wasn't really behaving in her absence the way I did in her presence did you hold on to shame and guilt for years like when did you have your muscle building therapy moment of confession 29 when I got sober and started going to AA so I just kept I just made it worse and worse and I just moved across the country so she couldn't see and then once every few years I'd have such a bad bottom where I almost ODed that I'd call her crying and go all right here's what I'm really up to and I can only imagine how terrified she would be listening to whatever update I would just hold it for like 3 years then I'd call in some terrible spiral I'm going to die from this and then not call her for 2 weeks cuz I felt better it wasn't until you're like 29 that you found someone who is objective from the situation that you could spill your guts to that was there to just listen well like you at 29 I going to AA and I start admitting to all the [ __ ] I'm carrying stealing from people 10 years of addiction I racked up some stuff I had to get off my chest just walking around like I am a piece of [ __ ] and yet the weight that gets lifted it's kind of crazy how effective saying out loud to somebody your thing is yeah you're suffocating under it and then you say it and it's like 80% of it's gone and then it's kept at that and then it gets kind of easy nothing compares to the first time that I confessed to that therapist that was the big one and the rest of the time I was kind of chasing the dragon and I never quite I never quite had that same release that explosive waterfall of emotions did you try to get you into no cuz I would if I were him I'd been like Jack I think you could put up some serious weight I should get into some lifting now cuz the steps program is not getting it done it doesn't matter how many steps I get I can never catch up to the caloric intake cuz speaking of which you want to talk about addiction that's my heroin it's my yummy yummy cheeseburgers or whatever the [ __ ] it may be doesn't matter how many salads that's making me nauseous I want the good stuff cheeseburgers is my favorite thing the best sandwich it is it is I was just telling Monica two days ago I put a ribeye in the [ __ ] grinder a ribeye Jack like a $50 ribeye my God and I turned it into three hamburgers and I was thinking people would be so mad I did this but then I was like who cares what shape the ribey in but it was so good as three burgers and I ate two of the three did you put cheese on it yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's actually interesting cuz if you had a regular riye and you put cheese on it people would be mad you're ru it interesting even if it was an aged cheddar I mean not for me I love cheese the more the better but when did the food come into play food was always a problem from the get-go I remember when I was around 10 going to Mickey D's and crushing like five filet of fishes and that was back when they had the Styrofoam boxes and then I would literally crush the boxes with my thumb see if I could Pierce all five in one oh there was so much fun and that was back when they had the deep fried cherry pie I would dip my finger in there just to get the CH I didn't care about the crust I just wanted that hot cherry jam well I don't want to psychoanalyze you but your first memory is 10 of the five fet of fish and Mom and Dad are getting divorced like I mean not too there might have been something there some regulating I remember years before that of them fighting all the time so it was kind of a relief too they got a divorce like good get the hell away from each each other divorce is always a crazy thing how it's going to affect the kids because you want them to stay together on some deep level cuz that's where you came from but you also want to get aart if it's toxic okay so after Crossroads so Deb Divine says what are you doing here Jack you got to go to Crossroads it's just a few blocks away it's the best school in the city you've got it kid you got something here I told my parents I want to go to Crossroads and they were like all right we'll pay for that it's expensive then after Crossroads I went to UCLA things turned around in a big way cuz I was a [ __ ] up and now all of a sudden going to this it's ivy league ad Jason I was at UCLA theater I ended up there too you were there too yes there's another overlapping thing I little older than you I was there during Aman years were you there for Aman in the football no Troy Aman went there I didn't even know that yes he was the quarterback so yeah I think it's Ivy League 2 cuz I went there I I'm going burst a big bubble here as the only one who didn't go to UCLA it is not considered Ivy League but it's a very good school it's right next door they say it's better than Bley now what's the second best weed that it could be not Ivy yeah Holly it's a holly League Holly League that sound right but I was a horrible student at UCLA also I just didn't do well with academics in general and it didn't change when I got to college I would always same as high school fall asleep there was something about a classroom in environment that didn't JB with my brain for learning I learned a lot better in the theater on the job doing the thing that I loved your cadium Rhythm was triggered by the classroom yes it told you it was night time soon as you got in one of those desks could be narcolepsy you think it because as soon as the class was over I was a huge burst of energy and I would go running into the sculpture garden ready to smoke joints and high five and talk about a show let's put on a show there was something about actually being in a production in a show where I could be working on the most difficult heady stuff doing Shakespeare stuff that was way above my grade level I had a great experience meeting other theater people and the social element was hugely beneficial but as soon as I had an opportunity to do theater outside of school I jumped on that how did you discover the actor G the actor's gang theater so there was a writer from the actors gang Theater Company who was a high school teacher at Crossroads and that's how they first got on my M and I would go to see their shows when I was in high school I was like oh man someday was Tim Robbins performing in those shows ever he was directing some of them but he was overseeing It was kind of the overlord of the whole theater group and the creative director but he was also really busy with making movies at the time then I was at UCLA doing theater there but I was still keeping an eye on the actor gang and going to all their shows and then an opportunity came up to get a little part in one of their plays called The Big Show in Santa Monica and I came in and I had some songs and I got some songs into the show so I quickly became one of the musical people in the gang really quick how long had you been singing at that point in a way that you thought like yeah I'm a singer or had you yet I only started singing where I really identified as a singer in high school at Crossroads I did some musical theater I did hippin and another show called Carnival and so there was an opportunity to go with the actors gang to the Edinburough theater Festival wow in 1989 which is the mecca of the the the universe where people from all over the world come to Edinburgh Scotland Dan Lewis might be there Daniel day yeah Dan Lew might be there I especially love Daniel day when he plays Americans from 1901 that's when he really build a 1888 to 1901 I'm an oil man There Will Be Blood and Lincoln those are two well and build a butcher and build a butcher all around that time why why is he so good at that he was born the wrong senty but once I got to that theater Festival no looking back and I was not going back to UCLA and I didn't tell my parents for a while because I knew how much they wanted me to get that degree and I didn't have the heart to tell them that it wasn't in the cards how long were you hiding this secret I hid it for a good year and were you updating them like on your grades and what classes no I mean they knew that I was at the Edinburgh theater Festival and at that point my dad lived in France they had moved to France so I was kind of like my life is my own but I still didn't want them to know that I had dropped out like this was a thing I was doing and I was going to go back to school and I just never went back but that's where I met Kyle and that's where the seeds for Tenacious D were first planted do you shift gears from acting to I'm going to be in Tenacious D and I'm going to be a musician or are you thinking I'm going to do all things at that point I'm just turning 20 there's a Little Dream that oh maybe I could be a rock and roller me and Kyle could start a band we could be a rock and roll comedy team he's a great guitarist he was going to give me some lessons he's going to teach me how to rock there was just this weird dumb Impossible Dream but there was also something even before we had played for anyone I was like there's something very funny about you and me getting up on stage and rocking really hard and being rock stars and wanting to be rock stars and thinking we're rock stars it's so dumb and so wrong this is a bad idea and there's something hilar ious about how bad this idea is and I knew I just felt like there's something here there's something magic I can't even put my finger on it so that's another thing I tell people whenever they say hey I like your career how do you do it I was like you got to find yourself a Kyle cuz there's things that I will do with Kyle that I would never do alone there's things that I don't feel I have permission to do alone but with me and Kyle that's different I credit my entire personality to my best friend Aaron Weekley who I met in seventh grade like if I hadn't met him I'm not sure who I am I was like oh if we're both acting this way I don't really care what anyone else thinks I would have never had the confidence to explore who I was without that safety net I want that for my kids so [ __ ] bad and it's not my business to tell them but it's like I just want them to find their soulmate that gives them the confidence to be the weirdest version of themselves it is a gift you hope that everyone can have that time in their lives when they meet that person that opens up the universe yeah okay so you guys are performing you're doing as we said you get on Mr Show also I'm assuming Tim Robbins is seeing you at the actor's gang perform cuz you end up in Bob Roberts and the great Shawn pen oh Dead Man Walking Dead Man Walking you end up in dead man walking I'm going to take that compliment that you liked Dead Man Walking you haven't actually said you liked me I do you're the weird brother that shows up you're giving me a compliment yeah I can see you in my head as I already told you though I was a jack fan from9 six okay so I'm like oh this [ __ ] is here now too dead man walking once again I'm going to say this was before I had found my voice and I had some ideas but I didn't speak them out loud cuz I was afraid that they would be dumb ideas but that was a great movie and it was a great lesson in acting and watching Shawn Penn do his thing and Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins but I would be fine if they deleted my scene from the movie in fact if there is a way that I could erase it I would you might be able to say tell AI show me dead man walking without Jack Black I might be able to do that we're so close to that wait what's the first movie that you don't feel like that about Bob Roberts is my actual first movie and that did end up being a really good calling card I'm proud of it it was a moment in time where I was so terrified of [ __ ] up and so terrified that there's a camera on me and that there's a full crew of people here it was so alien and foreign to me I had done theater but this was a whole different animal and my character luckily was terrified in that moment of being in the presence of this Godlike figure this Republican politician rock star named Bob Roberts I just want to be him so badly and Young Jack Black really was feeling that same way about Tim Robbins so I was able to channel it and plug right in also I did a take where it was like it was okay and then Tim was like okay guys let's do it again way faster that's the only note just faster and action and then we did it again and I did it faster and I was like I think that was too fast I just did it faster but okay and great we got it moving on I was like wait wait moving on oh [ __ ] I'm too young to ask for another take okay we're moving on and then I saw the movie and I was like oh it's pretty good I wish they had used that other and then the editor came through with another cut of the movie and it just clicked in and my part was perfect so the lesson was just be open and I don't know what the lesson is but one of the lessons is editing is hugely important well I think can I interpret one of the lessons for you which would be when you're there the entire thing's on your shoulders and you really forget oh well Tim Robbins is in the mix a great editor's in the mix a great DP is in the mix there's going to be a great song or score in the mix what you come to realize is like you're a part of this and these other elements can lift you Way Beyond what you assessed your thing to be when it happened and by the way faster is about the best note that can ever be given in anything it was a great note because he got us moving faster than our brains were moving and sometimes that's when the good [ __ ] happens and it doesn't trigger any insecurity he's not telling me I wasn't real or I didn't blah blah blah it's just like oh Tempo is fine I can modulate that let's go from 33 to 45 but do the same thing but it's not doing the same thing that movie I saw the cut and it was like oh my part is [ __ ] great it's small but it really pops off the screen and they were going to can the can film festival my part was too small to get get invited to go along but my dad lived in KH I was like I'm going to visit my dad and showing up I got there and I called him I said can you get me on the list I'm flying myself and he got me into the show so I went to see the movie and I ended up on top of a mountain smoke in a joint with Tim Robbins and that great director who directed the player and all those great Robert Alman and Gian Carlo espito we were all up there overlooking C this is it I am here and I wasn't here it was an illusion I thought this is the beginning of my career and it led to 10 years of not being able to get another good role like that but Bob and David remembered my little part from Bob Roberts 10 years later and they gave us our break partially because of that I think it wasn't just an hsd so it's like you do some good work and sometimes you expect it to launch you and it doesn't but those things still linger around like burning embers sometimes yeah it's like you're just putting bread crumbs on this thing and then hoping to hit critical mass and you just don't know what the thing is and what's going to pay off seven eight years later it's impossible to see it in the moment but then in retrospect you're like oh right that's for every job it's not just creative anyone can have this sort of moment where whatever you're doing now you don't know how that's going to impact the future which is important so what do you do you put your head down you keep on doing you this is an important thing I don't know why I'm Mr telling people lessons I don't do very many of these where I talk about myself I was going to start with that you don't really do this n you're an enormous star and I got to say there's the least amount of interviews available of you of almost anyone else I've researched of your caliber and I did want to know off the top about that but I thought we could earmark that well I just feel a little embarrassed and a little shy and a little Unworthy of tooting my own horn and telling my life story it's just not what I usually do I will say this this is the last time I'm going to do this it's when people ask me what do you do to get what you got I want it important career lesson number four is figure out what you want to do not what you want to be I want to be a famous actor a famous Rockstar that's not going to get you anywhere you want to play music in front of people good do that it does doesn't have anything to do with what level of success you get to cuz if you love doing it you do it for no money and you're happy same thing with acting and at the end of the day that's what gets you to the good stuff the juice and as a byproduct you probably will have some success I'll even add the stuff that you thought you were doing in root to somewhere in retrospect of your life will be some of the things you enjoyed the very most and would go back to for me growlings I don't think it ever got better than doing a show on Sunday nights to a hundred people couldn't believe it was sold out because there was no illusion of anything beyond that it evaporated that night it was like Buddhism it happened on Sunday it wasn't recorded and that was it it was for the pure joy of doing it and I don't think it ever got better than that I think that is part of why theater saved my life because there was that therapist but there was also that theater teacher Deb devant and when I got up in front of a a group of people didn't matter how small the audience was and I got into a Groove and I started jamming I felt this incredible high and adrenaline and self-confidence I think theater saved my life there's something about that ground Lings and about improv in general you tap into a thing and it's a mix between acting and writing I don't think that improvisational actors get enough credit for writing the movie or the thing that they're doing the director's like no that's part of the job of an actor you write no it's not if someone's getting up there and saying the first thing that comes to the top of their head they should and sometimes do get writing credit but most times not it's very very rare yeah well you enter a scene and then you end up exiting the scene you didn't say anything that was written yet you conveyed the goal of the scene is that what happens on those great improvisational movies like spinal tap did everyone get writing credit oh that's a good who wrote that I don't know that it would be the fault of The Producers or director anyone nefarious The Guild itself is really challenging right they're very protective of whoever wrote the first draft or the outline so it's like you would have to petition there's some percentage you'd have to prove I've been through this process where you give them both scripts and they go through it and determine whether you warrant a writing credit so the fact that the Improv is not even written I don't even know what you submit to the guild and also I had a phase of my life where I was like I improv in every one of these movies and then that stopped and I was like I have a [ __ ] awesome job I get plenty of credit I'm the one who gets to say it good if that writer gets another job I'm getting enough [ __ ] pets on the back and even better I got to do the thing I wanted to do which is way more important than anything else yeah to be trusted to do the thing you want to do is the ultimate yeah keep the credit but have you written yeah I've written and directed three movies so you were able to transition from improvising and writing off the top of your head as I like to call it into writing everything in advance I've only written one movie it was Tenacious D in The Pick of Destiny yes and I had so much fun writing it that process you write it with Kyle we talked out the story but then the actual writing came with me and Liam Lynch the director at his house every night for 40 consecutive nights I have a little OC I like round numbers but I had so much fun cracking the cat on that and that process and I was like I think maybe this is what I'm going to do and then the movie didn't do well and no one ever asked me to write again and I never did again but I think maybe I would like to jump back into those Waters someday stay tuned for more armchair expert if you [Music] dare do you find a special special kind of satisfaction when you're writing your movies if I had to list the things I'm proudest of in my life writing's way above acting or directing yeah do you have a partner when you write mm- no you go solo yeah I go Lone Wolf I go to a hotel I like go for four days I write I come home then I go on another spell and when I'm there I just write all day long I've got a whole little routine I can't do it without someone else I need them to say what do you think it should be and then me to say no wrong here is what it should be I can't do it you need the Catalyst you need be a bad idea to shoot down to get to your good idea and vice versa someone to shoot down my dumb ideas I don't realize they dumb you're not a control freak I'm guessing I am a control fre you are interest I need to have someone else there to control so Monica had asked you a question and I'm going to guess at the answer which was she said when did you feel like you were in your voice found your voice acting I'm going to guess it was High Fidelity yep that was the big breakout and that was John qac diing my stuff with Tenacious D can we take two on John cak John cuac was everything I wanted to be when I was a kid oh yeah he was the coolest brilliant and cool and funny and he hand selected you you were his idea right well we had a Brotherhood through the actor gang cuz he and Tim Robbins were tight back in the day and he in fact started his own splinter group called new criminals in Chicago they were like the Chicago wing of the actors gang so I hadn't really done any time with him like hanging out but I knew and he knew that we were both from that theater group he reached out and Steven friers the director who I loved because I love dangerous leaon with my favorite actor John malovich in it so all signs were like of course I have to do this movie but I was so scared of [ __ ] with my Tenacious D cred and this new thing that was burgeoning I was like wait I'm in a rock band that's really working right now I don't want to do a movie about rock and mess with my actual career as a rock musician and then eventually I realized oh I'm just terrified of failing I have to do this it's Stephen fs and John K so I said yes I'll do it I heard you say that your initial fear was you're going to be playing a guy that just shits on all music yeah I could see how you would think that would nullify what you're doing over here there was also certain bands that I just worshiped that I didn't want to talk about cuz even saying name out loud on film it was like a Holy Ground I didn't want to touch it I screaming MC Beth in the theater exactly what was the most offensive one I didn't want to talk about Kurt Cobain or Nirvana I don't even know if that ended up in the movie in the end but there were certain places where I just that's just sacr there was a few places that Sirens went off in my head when I read the script but thank God I got over that because it was the first time that I had really found my voice in a movie it was my breakout and then after that comes really quickly I'm just going to kind of list them but Orange County and why I want to earmark that is I want to talk about Jake cassen cuz I love him and I've worked with him what a special dude and you have many times but we're earmarking that but then shallow hell is right after that you go on a [ __ ] pretty Bonkers ride this pattern emerges which is Jake's part of it right you work with people and I like this about you from the outside people who work with people and develop real friendships and keep coming back and working together after all the cash and prizes are obtained and they don't fill the hole I think the one thing you really can look back on with enormous pride and gratitude is playing together with like-minded people for many times that's the big victory in this I do feel that way with Jake because we started off with Orange County early on and we had such a fun short hand and the thing that was really fun with Jake is every take he would go now try it this way now try it that way and it was almost like we were just doing it for fun every take not so much improvising but yeah playing like a science experiment let's turn over all the rocks it was not an indie film it didn't have that big budget pressure we felt kind of loose and free and we're having fun every day had you seen Zero Effect cuz that was my favorite movie for like 10 years and he was 19 or 21 when he made that movie impossibly he had a full head of steam coming in and also it was Mike White who wrote Orange County who was a big factor in that great experience and he I ended up working with on School of Rock so you work with Jake as a director you end up working with him a bunch more and then yeah Mike White writes it and then he obviously kind of falls in love with you because he comes to you with the idea of School Rock with Ruden yep those two are together and they want to make this movie and then the most unlikely character enters the scene which is again you're so [ __ ] blessed Richard link later what a spe did you see his recent movies on Netflix right now it's really good Hitman that's him yeah oh that does not look like a link later movie from the poster I know cuz it's a big crime Thriller action comedy I think Boyhood is one of the most beautiful movies ever made also can you imagine the patience it would take to do a movie over the course of 12 years it's mind-blowing it's different kind of cat can I tell you this is about me not you I'm going to Bogart your interview when you think about sadest missed opportunities type situations the second movie I wrote and directed it's screen it South by and I was seated next to somebody I didn't know who this movie I made hit and run plays it finishes and the man next to me immediately is like crazy effusive about the movie but I have unfortunately back to your noise cancelling headphones I've a little bit shifted my mind of like I got to get out of this theater when you star in a movie and you're in the theater it gets really dicey afterwards right so unfortunately I've already clicked into like be polite and also get out of here as quick as possible and as I exit the thing Mike Judge was there and he goes what did Dick say to you and I go who and he goes we were sitting next to link later and I was like oh my God I had a moment to like suck up some praise from link later and I just thought he was a [ __ ] bogey what a regret just I me I would have stayed there all goddamn night it does go to show don't Be a big shot always take them you never know who they are or who they'll be it's even embarrassing that I would prioritize his praise over anyone else there's a lot of ugliness in this story I like Mike Judge calls him dick I know me too link later those guys are two pe's in a pod partially I think they live right next door to each other in Texas yeah and Rodriguez is in that mix too the three of them are like these Bandits living down there just doing whatever they want to do creatively it seems so dreamy I think it's okay you can pick up the phone and leave a nice message for dick you can pick up where you left off and just say so what were you saying about my movie remember 12 years ago I think he's working on another one of those 12 years or maybe 20e projects sign me up I'll commit to a 30-year Pro I mean I'll have to keep myself alive what a relaxed schedule you only have to work yeah what days am I working well we got you scheduled for a week in 2028 exactly I need some time off for my kids' graduation oh that's fine you're not working for six years oh my God okay School of Rock I'm delighted to hear this CU you said in one of the three interviews in your life you've done you said that that is your proudest moment yeah because you live in the neighborhood you must be aware of there's like a school rock my kids were in school rock oh nice like there's a cool little punkish do you know about this here in Silver Lake yeah but isn't that fleas Silver Lake Conservatory of Music incredible yeah what a [ __ ] beautiful movie written by Mike White directed so beautifully by later you're so [ __ ] good that is my proudest moment it's the one where there's a tangible feeling of accomplishment just because of kids and parents that come up to me and go my kid started playing guitar because of that movie and that feels like it affected a positive change in the world of a lot of kids which is the best you're the center of a nice Ripple that doesn't happen often in life it's kind of paying it forward cuz theater maybe saved my life and changed my life and if it does a little bit of that for other kids then mission accomplished Okay so I don't want to lose you I don't want to be your science class I just get yes I just got I finished my coffee you want another another I'll go PE and I'll make you another I don't need it I don't need it would you enjoy it I'm afraid that it might be too much cuz to be honest with you I had a big cup of iced coffee before I even came so this one was questionable the third cup is where my heart explodes Sometimes I close my eyes just to focus I've detected the difference I know when it's hardcore thinking and I know when it was like I could go for a five minute I haven't yawned yet you guys I'm still here I'm 100% want to go pee though you want to Breaky poop I would do it I'm going to pee right here there's no door there I'm going to see you pee I'm going to go peripheral you're invited to I'm going to do the same thing after you okay great yeah is that going to be uncomfortable we all step out we do this all the time step out I'll hold you you don't need to step out for him he doesn't I'm going to get some fresh stretch the legs anyways okay great I going take a bite of a Kind bar then look at this beautiful backyard area okay thanks you guys I'm done I I did it I did the deed I tinkled I made water I didn't even really realize I've had this set of cans here the whole time I could have been I was so curious why you weren't wearing them you know what I'm going to wear them now oh this is going to kick into change everything it really will I was going to suggest it but then I thought you were making a choice me too cuz I'm like this guy's so audio inclined he records music he's got a whole take on why he doesn't wear headphones I usually wear the headphones but it makes me a little more self-conscious might be better without it I don't know well you start listening to your own voice a little bit more that encourages me I'm like I sound official I like it it gives me confidence or if you're listening to yourself This sounds a little nasy let me modulate my voice to make it less so I want to get into that whole thing but you must have spent a great deal of time in front of a mirror [ __ ] around with your voice Lots that's the start of every career I agree in the industry you got to be in front of the mirror looking at how you look and how you must look to the audience yes oh real quick did you do Letterman in the day I did do Letterman several times okay so you don't love doing press but the only reason I want to be in Show Business was to be on Letterman I didn't understand how I would get there but 10 I want to be Letterman yeah Letterman that was a big one for me it was not the first one the first talk show I did was Conan and that was a huge one for me and in a way nothing has beat the Conan experience because he was so down to clown and I was like would you mind if I do a little sketch not just come out and talk my thing is putting on a show and he was into it and their producers Smiley did you ever deal with that smiley or Smigel Smiley was the producer and that's who I talked to as like the interview before the show M was Dan Ferguson always okay cuz he was also there I probably talked to Fergie as well and those shows always didn't feel like oh I'm going to tell my life story I'm going out there not so much as an interview but I'm going out there to put on a show cuz it's part of the job I have to go out there and sell this movie or this thing and this is what they paid me for so I contractually have to do it right right right but I've have never done one of those in between movies just to be like oh yeah I'm just going to do this one for fun just cuz I love that have you done a talk show for fun yes a ton jack I've been on some of these shows like 38 times that sounds crazy to me because it's such a pressure cooker it is and I kind of love it in fact I'm much better at being on a talk show than I am about being in the movie I'm there to promote for whatever reason the talk show for me is like my sweet spot you crush on talk shows I'm shocked that you you're not more some good ones yes and this is a brag but I so relate to the Conan thing most talk shows if I go and I do everything I hope to do I basically executed what I was hoping to do on Conan numerous times I've been like well that was 20 times better than I was even hoping for and he took it in a bizarre place and I happened to work well with him I've left there going like wow we found some real comedy here that I hadn't even considered where I'm proud I really do feel like it is the exact same Beast as going out there with Tenacious D and performing live in front of an audience it's putting on a show more than anything and if it goes well I get that same rush I get that same feeling of wow we really crushed it out there and still that hasn't dissipated at all cuz you guys are what on 25 years of this yeah we've been having great adventures still we went to Europe just a month ago it's actually our best place in the The World Is England that market for whatever reason that's where we feel the most love that's where we sell the most tickets the audiences are ravenous and it's changed over the years at first it was the United States we played all these great cities here and then for some reason Australia was our place to go and we were crushing it in Australia and then it was England has Tenacious D been the safety net or let me first start by asking have you had moments in your career where you were scared yeah where it feels like oh I think it's over you try to put a good spin on it which is I want to view this as that was a damn good run be happy with that but I always felt heartbroken by those moments I didn't feel like oh I got to play in the NBA now I'm retired I was like oh I got kicked out of this party I was once invited to yeah I feel Terror when I feel like oh it's over I have felt that a few times I'll get on the horn with my agent and be like uh can we get something going I need to take some meetings or start developing something because this thing feels like a red alert I think I'm done my career's over I'm not feeling that way right now in fact right now I feel like uh I'm getting too old for this [ __ ] maybe I'm done and I'm happy about it right right right right right but then I know as soon as my Google Calendar gets empty it will be right back to the panic mode and I'll be back on the horn say where's my old man movie are there still rolls for would you agree there's almost no Sweet Spot it's either you have too much or you don't have enough or you you in a Sweet Spot I'm in a sweet spot right now my cup is full of performance satisfaction I kind of sidetracked you I was wondering if Tenacious D was kind of that safing n even Tenacious D I feel sometimes like uh-oh is this the end of the line for this band we definitely had our moment in the sun I always feel blessed when it's like oh my God we're still selling out this or that venue in terms of a job playing in front of an audience playing music and doing comedy bits with tenagers is the best you only work a couple hours a day you get to travel to a different City every day you take a nice comfortable bus you lay down in your weird coffin bed and you get to a town and you have time to take a nice leisurely walk around London or Birmingham or wherever we are find a nice patch of grass to throw the frisbee and you're hanging with your friends it's just the best life yeah I'm very envious of the sensation you must have when you're actually rocking yeah in audience like the way Bon Joi said and I rocked them all that must be a very tasty feeling it feels great when you're in a Groove and you're jamming and it also feels great if you are putting on a show that's got some new elements to it you're trying to blow their minds and some of them you know it's their first concert they've ever been to and other ones they've been following you for 20 years it's a great feeling my 8 and 11-year-old know the words to probably six tenacious on from start to finish wow so don't rule out you doing this at 78 cuz like I know you have another wave coming well you know you got that Rolling Stone still going I got to start doing the yoga I guess get into some yoga okay the only other thing I wanted to ask you about is and my wife is in this situation right you hit the lottery in that she gets this gift Frozen and it might just hopefully and likely go on forever and ever and ever Kung Fu Panda is that a little safety blanket or just like oh my God every few years they call well I never count my chickens they haven't called up and said hey that thing was a hit we got to do another one I'm not assuming that that's going to happen but it has been an amazing ride that thing is going on yeah that's 16 years you've been doing this but about 20 since I first was pitched the idea cuz the first one took a few years and it is a great job I'm so spoiled when you go in to record some Voice work when you go in and it's just you and the microphone and the director and they're telling you setting the scene they're showing you some artwork and they're giving you Direction and you're doing the vocal performance I get the same Buzz get the same high and when I feel like I'm connecting and making the people in the control Booth laugh like H this rules yeah the actual workload is pretty light it's about as good as it gets in Show Business yeah speaking of can I saw one of the Kung Fu pandas at can in 2008 wow yeah the first one then would it have been the first one yeah 2008 that's the first one that must have been the first I was begging for tickets on the side of the street and I got one to Kung Fu Panda was pretty exciting were you smitten as hell when you saw it we were all like wow this is great we were all so pretentious at the time we're like college students on a study abroad there to see the fancy French movies maybe a Dan Lewis film hopefully God willing we're all leaving being like Kung Fu Panda was the best movie of the whole trip oh I remember that one Jeffrey kenberg was always real big on the pulling stunts to get publicity and he would put all of his voice actors through the motions and he had me marching down the street in can with like a 100 costumed Panda people dancers oh boy and I was just marching down the sh or wherever we were oh my God white hot embarrassment in my face like that's when you know that it's working when it's so humiliating this is going to get some clicks and some likes oh [ __ ] that just gave me PTSD the first movie I ever did was without a paddle and we got sent to every city in America to promote it cuz none of us were big stars and there was a bear in the film Bart the bear yeah and so they were like you know be a great idea is we get a guy in a bear costume on the red carpet with these guys everywhere they go and I would be so embarrassed I mean the level of embarrassment I'd rather be [ __ ] myself in public maybe and eventually I was like if I see the bear again I'm GNA leave I can't do the guy in the bear costume anymore those things that are part of the job get out there and dance like a monkey I've come full circle cuz there was a time when it was just like I got to get out of this business and now I just kind of weirdly embrace it when they're like it's time to promote Kung Fu Panda will Tenacious D do a song we want you to do a cover of some kind and we were like we think it would be fun to do a Britney Spears song I'm just sort of engaging in the promo and so then we're like making a music video at the Red Carpet at the premiere oh wow that's high stakes it turns out to be like a really funny thing it's like if you're scared of an animal you're more likely to be attacking but right the public can sense your guilt so you're like shame and they'll destroy you but if you don't feel that kind of weight and you're just having fun I'm there my wife and I do a ton of commercials together as long as I'm like going all out who gives a [ __ ] if it was here here or here okay Borderlands yeah that is coming out in August right out of the gates and I I think maybe I forgot this is not your first go round with Kate Blanchette she's probably my favorite actor best Crush what was the thing you did with her before this it was a little movie called the house with a clock and its walls wow by the same director Eli Roth as a matter of fact oh he did that as well and that was a horror film for kids kind of in the vein of Goosebumps that I had done a few years before you played ARL Stein right correct and this was based on a fun cool scary book what's Borderlands based on Borderlands is based on a great video game that came out like a decade ago and now on like part three of the video game I'm a gamer and so I was aware of the game and I loved it it's technically like a Sci-Fi Western but it looks and feels like a post-apocalyptic desert film like Road Warrior yeah looks very the newest Mad Max it looks visually very Mad Max and they've taken some elements from 80s metal there's like musclebound shirtless Berserkers they're called with hockey masks yeah and it's peopled with robots and I kind of play the R2 D2 of the movie but he's more of a punk rock foulmouthed R2-D2 where he's got a lot of attitude he's this robot that's helping but also kind of wishing that everyone would just die you have a throwaway line that's like whatever reason this robot has been programmed to make jokes correct he is a comic relief Helper but he also hates the world that he's stuck in and then it's a sweet story in that this little robot that you play you have been dormant for like 37 years and then Kate Blanchett returns to her home planet on a mission and then you come back to life we don't know why but you are inextricably linked to try to save and protect her it's funny because I loved the role and I loved the opportunity but I didn't have to be there everybody else went to Bulgaria and worked in the harsh elements and I'm friends with Jam Lee Curtis we follow each other on Instagram and I get this DM from her where she's like where the [ __ ] are you I'm KNE deep here in Bulgaria working my ass off and I just found out you don't have to be here what order did they do it in because they're acting against you they had all of my performance so you did it before they yeah they were able to act off of what I was doing but still I get it I was feeling for are you at all sad because this Ariana greenblat first of all did you see Barbie yes what a movie I'm on my fourth viewing it's so [ __ ] good and she's so wonderful in it it's a psychedelic trip through a childhood fantasy but it's also part of a movement you know how I was saying alt comedy came from like the movement of alt Rock Barbie feels like it's part of a movement also of me2 and girl power and like this wave it would be any other time I feel like a great art film that had a big budget cuz it feels Indie it's got that kind of irreverence and [ __ ] you and they're not feeling the big budget pressure but it's a Goliath it's a huge hit yeah and in fact I lament a lot of times and you must too like the days of the $30 million comedy coming out and making $100 million and there being eight or 10 of those a year it's just so gone and it's been gone for six or seven years and I'm like God there's no comedy and then all of a sudden I was like no Barbie's a hardcore comedy I don't think I've laughed that hard I loved being skewered in the way that we got skewered in that I'll tell you the funniest moment we're on our way home from the movie theater theater and my 11-year-old says to Kristen mom has dad ever played his guitar at you and Kristen goes oh yeah and I just started dying laughing of embarrassment yeah I've told someone the value of Godfather yeah oh man oopsies dude who was first though was it Barbie or White Lotus cuz White Lotus went straight at that too they did they were first Mike White by the way yeah that's our favorite show God I know they're in Thailand yeah I don't know if I'm supposed to know that but no I think it was I think it's out there it leaked you can't keep that kind of secret but back to your movie in Ariana greenblat she's so great I bet you wish you would have had some scenes with her I know it would be cool if I could have jumped on a Jet Plane and been in person and this is your fourth thing with Kevin Hart yeah and Kevin Hart is pulling an action hero different kind of character than he usually does and if you look at the history of comedians who change gears and then go Action Hero the first one I think of his Eddie Murphy in 48 hours where he's still funny as hell but also legit badass can fight will fight does get into scrapes and is a hero how about 48 hours too let's put that in the barrel no I did say 48 Hours you thought that I said Beverly Hill cop I went straight to 48 hour God that's so weird yes but Beverly Hills Cop and 48 48 hours he's a convict so I feel like that's where Kevin Hart is with Borderlands more power to him and he does kick ass the thing that he has to jump over a hurdle that Eddie Murphy never did is that he's also way shorter I feel uh simpao with him cuz I also am way shorter and I feel like us shorties we got to stick short Kings oh my God short I think you're riding a new movie with me and Kevin Hart we just need one more short King in there I'll pretend I'm a short King there it is short queen but I'll pretend like I made that up but I didn't this an Instagram thing right thing short King they're in but you don't present it short how tall are you 5' 6 and a half you know when you put the half on there that you're short you're desperate yeah I do the same thing I would Round Up to 5'7 but I don't feel right so when you and Kevin are in Jumanji are you looking eye to eyee basically I might be like an inch taller no I don't want to talk about who's it's a game VES the introduction to his character in Borderlands is he arrives to rescue Ariana Green Roland is his character great tough guy name yes so Roland rolls in and he says your father sent me to save you and she says oh great he sent his shortest Soldier and you go wow even in this movie he's not going to catch a break right out of the gate first description to let it out right out of the front get it out and talk about it and then move on and then I guess just Kate Blanchett is so [ __ ] radical she's just always the best actor in the room when was the first time that I noticed her and thought you know when it was was Lord of the Rings I was like who's that incredible Vision her delivery and her presence but then maybe my favorite performance of hers can we say it on three I'm sure we're going to have different ones no one agrees with me on this one here we I got to think of the exact title okay so you count us down and then I'll say 3 two 1 and then you go you you going to throw one I'll throw one in but I don't think it's my fave but I'll try oh all right good okay ready 3 2 1 but that speaks to her power we got three different movies three different people three your those blue jasmine that's a good pick she crushed it did you hear mine you didn't hear mine Life Aquatic oh yes Steve z steeven zizu Oh What a movie that movie would you agree I saw it in the theater and I'm like um I don't know not my favorite West movie then I saw it again two years later I was like hold on a second this movie is very powerful that bears repeating by viewing five or six I'm like I don't know might be his best might be your favorite one so okay I'm going back you got to go back it's so bizarre and wonderful for me my favorite got to be that hotel one grand bu Grand Budapest yes that is a good one good one I was watching it last summer on vacation my daughter was then 10 and she came into the living room and she sat down for about four or five minutes and she was watching and she said the most dreamy question your kid could ask she goes wow what's going on with this movie why does it look like what's happening and I'm like oh pull up a chair this like the dude and Barbie I'm like he loves set design and he starts with wides and he pushes in and the sets move and I'm starting to explain all the unique touches of Wes Anderson and she and I went on a 3month ride where we watched all the West Anderson movies and she got it that's such a great thing to do with your kid I could have died at the end of it my God what was her faith I'm a royal Tenon bombs girl oh yeah I love it too it's so sad it's so sad it's hard to get away from Bottle Rock at the beginning I mean so pure and Brilliant it is fantastic how about the choice in songs I wonder how much of that is West there's a great cat step song in that one and there's a great song by love I can't remember any of the words I love when you're singing me too I wish you such a treat sing for 3 hours you know what I've been doing lately do you do this cuz I kind of got away from music I realized I'm only listening to like books and podcasts and I'm not listening to music anymore I was like I'm going back in and here's how I did it chronological marathons I pick a band that I love but I've never done the marathon and I go I'm going to listen to every album in chronological order and see if there's some songs I've never heard by this or that band and I love it I'm right in the middle of Queen right now oh what a great and I haven't even gotten to news of the world yet it's like those first five albums are masterpieces there's tons of songs I've never heard before do you remember the album cover with had the robot on the cover and it's holding bodies bloody bodies that's news of the world that's the one with most of their big hits and that's a fun thing to do when you do the Chrono marathon when you find that period where they're really in a window where it's like now they're busting out on all cylinders they High Fidelity exactly they got their 10,000 hours exactly this is my hack cuz I get in musical ruts too and what I like to do is go on Spotify and take a song I'm in the mood for that I love and then make a radio station out of it yeah do you do that I have done that that's like a party trick if you don't want to go through making a playlist for the whole party yeah but I'll discover things that way I sound like I'm listening to the radio anymore and that's the only thing I know how to do to find new stuff my wife kind of steered me away from doing that though cuz sometimes when we're on a long drive I'll just tell my Tesla you know I like to mix it up and listen to some jazz once in a while I'm like play Miles Davis and it'll just start playing some random mild and T's like no you can't do that and she knows way more Jazz than I do cuz her father exactly charie Hayden great jazz bass player She is totally against that random thing it's like if if you want to play a great song so we've been going the other way if like if we have a gathering we'll just put on a record and let it play that whole side it'll play that 20 minutes and then you'll know when the silence comes oh time to flip it I find this Troublesome I'm doing the same thing where I play records and then the 20 minutes it's too fast you are up by that record player 400 times during the party I'm not loving it I hear you it's an interactive we're honest it's more like 10 time 400 times that's a longy have really long parties it work 400 times 20 minutes please math her parties always start at 8m minutes that's a sleepover I have cool parties so are you inviting him or no of course I feel like it's rude now to talk about how great and long your parties are and then not invite Jack invited and you're right down the street too you're even closer to her right oh my God are we all in the neighborhood well she's building the house to over right here there you see a big house looming over our but I also currently live down the street from you as well are you I'm not gonna say I won say but I am on that major Street oh my god do we ever cross paths have I haven't seen you I get my steps but I am pretty stealth I stick and move I'm also not very observant so there's a chance we could have crossed paths do you get steps is that like your way also of getting your exercise I go on wogs which is a couple rounds of walking and some rounds of running it's a mix oh yeah I don't jog I probably should to get that heart rate pumping but I don't like the way it makes my bones feel it does hurt it's starting to hurt more and more but I do feel like I've really worked out if there's a run in there I should figure out a way because when I just do my steps it takes a long time to get the right am cuz 10,000 don't do it so I'm trying to get between 14 and 16,000 steps that's a lot 15,000 is the right amount of steps for me it's going to take 2 hours and the size of the rectangle that I have to make through the city is so huge it's so much and it's like I'm going to have to pee or maybe poo at some point right and one time I didn't poop my pants but I had this is embarrassing we talk about this all the time I put my pants once a year so you're in a safe space oh thank you yeah yeah not really though the microphone's here I did buy a ticket one time to the Vista movie theater just to go in and drop a log but then I did go in and watch some of the movie so they didn't know that's why that's the problem with being famous cuz otherwise no one would care are you you sure the movie's already started yeah no I've already seen it several times I'm kind of a film buff can I have the ticket real quick please yeah this is I have a couple favorite scenes I know in the scenes come up so I'm just here for those favorite scenes and by the way if you're ever in the neighborhood of Vista great restroom great great I want to close the loop on music and ask a kind of dangerous question CU this is a very polarizing group but if I had to say one group oh my God owns my soul in My Vibe and I need to know if you like them or not wait can I guess yeah radio head nope wait okay I'm not guessing anymore I just wanted one guess I could feel it coming and I was wrong Steely Dan oh dude are you kidding me Steely Dan for me what the [ __ ] dude Steely Dan is the radio head of the 70s in a way I guess you can make that argument do you love Steely Dan fact I think Steely Dan might have been my first Chrono marathon when Steely Dan hits you you're like good Lord Peg oh they're touching God it's that good and I was like you know what I need to one time listen to everything they've ever written because their genius is so apparent I wonder there must be nuggets that I've never heard there's not a bad song that's what's crazy is there's ones that you don't recognize are not hits but you're never suffering through a song till the next one comes everyone has value and there's never a bad one but uhoh but just like every band that's ever existed there's a window now that's a bigger window because they got so many great albums but there's a window where they were clicking on all cylinders it is a fun Marathon to go through it's one of my great regrets is I never saw them live in their full capacity and now one of them is in the Hereafter so it'll never be wait have you seen them live at least five times I think more did you see them while they were both there yes only when they've the Hollywood Bowl I've seen him in Irvine three times I saw him back in Michigan probably three times I have seen them at the bowl I want to say some in Santa Barbara at this weird outdoor thing and their musicians were always the very best studio musicians in the world like anytime their drummer had a solo you're like keep going 14 minutes that was their emo the whole way through cuz it was those two and whoever was the best available musicians at the time yes do you know the origin of the name Burrows yeah William Burrows the vibrator I don't remember why I know that oh it's because I was listening to Naked Lunch this is a book that had always haunted me because I'd heard people I respect always cited has the best book ever written and that they're just obsessed with this book and the thing that's great about Naked Lunch is you don't read it chronologically you just open it up randomly and just start reading the page and then close it and then come back and randomly open I was like what why and I was like that's how it was meant to be read and it didn't make any sense and because I have such severe ADHD if I just listen to it it's going to be like I'm listening to random chunks of it anyway cuz I'm going to phase out and be thinking about something else so I just listened to it and I popped in and out and I was like oh I get it I'm not paying attention to it now I'm listening and it's a random place just the language is great and the characters are intense and the thing that popped out was Steely Dan I was like wait a second this was written before Steely Dan and then I found out oh that's where they got the name it's from this book it's such a weird thing it's like a vibrator right big metal vibrator I always love the idea of burrows I like Burrows as a figure don't like the writing all that much I wanted to like it B is tough it's impossible to comprehend for me but a great book by burough maybe you don't agree junkie oh that is the most for me approachable and it's really just his experience with drugs and his journey and it's so raw do you know you're one of three people in this industry that has the reputation of being just the nicest guy has that gotten back around to you I think that that's a double-edged sword though I have heard that before and it was when I was being roasted and I didn't want to be roasted on television they wanted to roast me the friar Club in New York City and I was like okay I don't want to say no it's there's so many Legends are part of that club and I was like do you ever do them where they're not televised they're like yeah and I was like let's do one of those and so I got roasted and they reach out to different people in the industry to try to get people to roast you and I had a good deis and they got some videos from different people too they couldn't be there but they wanted to contribute and Seth Rogan was one of the people and he was like oh I mean I don't know really what to say he's such a nice guy I don't want to say anything shitty about him I like him he's a nice guy so uh [ __ ] you jack love you all right bye and it was sort of a non thing and I was like oh that's cool he doesn't want to hurt my feelings cuz he likes me and he sees me as just a nice guy but if you're just a nice guy there's a barrier between you that's a protective thing that I've set up I think so that no one hurts me and maybe I'm missing out on a couple things because of that if you're brave enough to be an [ __ ] sometimes and put yourself out in that other way I know what you're saying because we just talked about like I'm interested in Burrows he was a horrific human being shot his girlfriend down in mexic hor yeah yeah I mean he's a monster I couldn't be more interested I know something about the honesty of being horrible Bukowski was my favorite writer all growing up like you know I like that well there's a lack of intimacy I'm too sensitive for a roast Jack I couldn't do it I would be thinking about their jokes for like two years yeah have any rattled around in your head post roast no it rolled off like a duck's back that's another bad movie but we could make it post roast post roast a guy who gets roasted and it changes the whole course of his life and never recovers no okay you've been here for so long I really appreciate it I do want to just point out so here were the fun parallels we had some Coca use I like that we had UCLA which is fun Tim Robbins I was in the other Jumanji zura yes with Tim Robbins oh my God we're both in the universe Chris Von alsberg Universe we are both in jumanjis that don't feature Robin Williams the original Jumanji Master yes it's taken many of us to replace the one Robin Williams I love your sci-fi zura did you see that yes I watch it with my boys who also love it and that's why I always say that I'm in Jumanji three and four I appreciate that yeah cuz ours didn't do so hot you know why you guys didn't call it Jumanji part two it's true I think Fabro would be the first to admit it to you why did he want to get away from that let's not even mention it's Zur but listen we did that in 2005 or four you did it in 2019 we were pretty close to it and that movie was done to perfection it would be like remaking Fletch and you know it's dangerous but you would have to call it Fletch 2 you wouldn't call it well there was a flg yes well one of the problems was the title people are like they couldn't pronounce it they're like I want to see it but I'm not going to step up to a ticket counter and [ __ ] up this name of this movie and embarrass myself in front of my family but we have that yeah you're the astronaut I sure am but this one really LEP off the page for me this is really weird I think we have the exact same love trajectory you and I were both in 9-year relationships that started in 1996 wow mine was Bri still love her to death She's a wonderful woman you're one year ahead of me but then I've been with Kristen for 17 years you've been with your wife for 18 years that's a weird that is a weird thing Laura kitelinger was my girlfriend for a long time nine years and I did want to ask you this and I think I know the answer because the fact that you ended up with Tanya and you had met her in high school when Bri and I broke up my number one panic was I hated the notion that whoever met me next was going to meet me already as a guy in movies yes did you have that of course I didn't trust anyone even Beyond Trust was like I need you to know the guy that was the struggling piece of [ __ ] that was hopeless I need you to know where we started or you can't know me I definitely had that and do you think that's part of why the fact that Tanya is from high school that is part of it that we have deep roots and I also just remembered in high school before everything we didn't date or really even talk but I remember her and her sister she's a triplet and just loving the whole family I just thought they had a real Vibe and that's a big important thing in a Hollywood town and a Hollywood school where you feel like they're rooted in something real and not part of the industry really even though their dad's a famous musician it's not that kind of phony [ __ ] did all three go to Crossroads they all three went to Crossroads are they all girls yep they have an older brother Josh Hayden who's also a great musician are they identical no they're the other kind of thing fraternal trial triplets I don't think I've ever met a triplet oh natural in the 70s when they were born organic very rare thing and I kept in touch with them and I would see them performing sometimes they would go out and sing and they have those beautiful blood harmonies that you hear about with the family members that sing together and they would do these beautiful Old Country jams you know like Carter family era songs and I just was always in awe of them and we would cross paths and I had a girlfriend and she had a boyfriend and it was just a little talking here and there and then that day came when neither of us had a significant other I had always been so kind of intimidated and never really wanted to really approach risk making the Friendship made the first move is the point we were at a birthday party a surprise birthday party for someone else a mutual friend and she came up to me and said hey do you ever want to go get dinner or so I should give you my number and I was like oh my God Heaven opened up above my head cuz I was like this is the thing that I would always want to happen and things moved fast we started getting very serious and the relationship hit the ground running it's like we were making up for lost time and was that driven at all too by a desire to have kids cuz that's what you see I'm closing my eyes right now it's not because I didn't detect it's not because I'm tired it's because I'm embarrassed to talk about things that are real and personal and also because I'm trying to just go back to exactly the time and the moment that our relationship started we were together 247 you got married within a year of that moment right we were dating for a few months and we were both talking about how we both would like to have kids but we didn't get married because it was like don't really believe in the contract and that whole thing to pedestrian why is it necessary and then as soon as she had a baby in her belly my brother was like what the hell are you you marry her like you're right dude I'm going to get are you [ __ ] stupid you're having a child with this woman marry her I got unbended knee and and she laughed and said yes and yeah oh this is and you have two masculine boys that you love they're 16 and 18 why do you have to say masculine I always think of The Godfather may he be a masculine boy was that a lzi oh so it wasn't Marlon Brando that said that Luca brzi is talking to him may they be blessed with children and may it be a masculine boy oh I forgot that part yeah okay well Jack this has been delightful andure was mine I think my marching orders leaving this interview are first of all what a slam dunk on Steely Dan that makes me feel so much safer around you have you done the marathon with Steely Dan what a great idea I've never done that and a th% that's my next cuz I'm a little in a rut right now I was feeling it working out today I'm like listening to my [ __ ] I even made a station in fact cuz you were coming I'm like I'm going to listen to Zeppelin oh that's a great Marathon that's the first band I was was obsessed with like learned the musicians names got all of the stuff that probably my first marathon actually the best rock band ever in my opinion it makes me want to bust out my Marathon list of all the marathon yeah yeah I want to hear a couple more cuz Queen's a great idea I think it's for another time okay next well that means you're coming back yes we're wrapping up to be continued come back for Minecraft in 2025 directed by Jared has I love this plan a reteaming with you and Jared well now we've got all the ground work done hit the ground running on the next one yeah we'll go into the future this was kind of a walk through history and next really was this was like some time with my musclebound therapist a you know what I mean thank you that's what I said when I first got here I was like this couch I could lay down here and it really would be therapy all I would have to do is turn that microphone that way we would love that and maybe on the 2025 trip we get you supine yes yes generally when people return will write so and so returns but this time I think we'll write Jack Black supine that's that's a tasty title all right everybody please check out Borderlands it's wild and ambitious and colorful and it'll remind you of Mad Max and of course Jack is hilarious it has our favorite actors in it K lanek Kevin Hart Jam Lee Curtis Ariana greenblat now second marching order is from now on when I see you on the street I am going to holla please okay wonderful holla and I may pretend it's very rare that I crack my concentration on my chono Marathon but Pink Floyd is a great one really good idea oh my God you know what would be a great one or I'm asking have you had the same thing like I had some Revelation at some point Fleetwood Mac was like a kick ass rock band before they were the Fleetwood Mac I grew up with yeah I can't sing I ain't pretty in my legs are thin right don't ask me what I think of you isn't that early Fleetwood Mac is is that Fleetwood Mac if it's not that on there's no way that would I'm going to go back and listen I'm going to go find that it's not can you sing it again um don't ask me what I think of you I might not give the answer that you want me to that should be enough yeah oh well by Fleetwood Max can you hit us with one second that is so not what I think right oh good you haven't had that Revelation so I had that about 3 years ago I was like hold on a second this is [ __ ] Fleetwood Mac they used to rock the [ __ ] out of and so that would be a great chronological one because God knows what else is on the album that that great song is that before Stevie Nicks before Stevie lindsy Buckingham joined the band 1969 I feel like they were a pack steel9 the year birth they already had a huge hit on their hands yes but rumors is the album that's the when the window really possibly Perfect album [Music] you and Kyle should play this song this is a great one this is nasty Jack this is dirty nasty [ __ ] this is good driving across the country [Music] music this is why Mick Flatwood was like look you kids are talented but I'm driving this [ __ ] who here has a number one hit single it's me not you lindsy Buckingham and not you he was in full control I can't sing I ain't pretty and my legs are thin that's the description of me who was singing who was that that was the early David Lee Roth all right much love to you and your take care he is an archair expert but he makes mistakes all the time thank God Monica's here she's got to let him have the [Music] facts it's Olympic coverage time yesterday was a spectacular day yeah a few days ago for our audience Our Ladies won gold yeah it was so exciting one gymnastics team gold they swept it swept the floor with these other countries well yeah they did they did they they really came in hot what was the final score though the second place was only five points behind out of like 114 that feels kind of close for gy they could have yeah okay they even had we had a fall which one we had a fall on beam oh oh yeah on the getting up there yeah they call that the mount oh the mount yes that was Jordan Jordan Childs yes I was very disheartened as I said I'm a big fan of Jordan child you can still be a fan of her not anymore she fell no don't ever say that cut if you fall one time I'm out no no no no I was just sad cuz I'm rooting for her so much of course oh the stress and then I was caught up to speed they did a great job with those interstitial packages to tell me all of Suni's stories about her kidy issues she gain 45 lbs I was thinking like on someone her size what is she 410 or something if vials is 48 yeah she yeah I don't know I'm sure 5 foot 5 foot 45 lbs and 5 foot is a lot probably that was probably like almost a 50% increase I mean that's significant yeah kidney issues ouch and then she's back really incredible yeah I loved it it's a good team it was really fun to watch I watch real time I watch live yeah I did too 9:15 yeah I mean I started like at probably 9:45 so I started at the beginning I was able to fast forward through commercials but by the time I ended I pretty much timed it perfectly it was great it was great cuz it was long and I worked out the whole time but I just kind of slowly worked out and then I would stop for an event and then I it was great yeah it was great I've also been watching some swimming I really enjoy watching the swimming because I can't swim yes it's that much more impressive yeah the two things I've watched a bunch of the swimming and I like it a lot and then as I said I think last time the this two woman beach volleyball is so impressive you know I respect all the sports but have you tried it yeah well I tried watching men's last night don't watch men's I I just volleyball is not for me okay I could you try the women's maybe just give it a shot I'll try cuz I support women you got to support women I will watch they're so good oh my God are they good it's wild and then opposite of gymnastics you get some tall gals up in that volleyball match 64 63 total opposite sports are interesting in that way they really are you kind of have to be built a certain way you're not going to be a 6'4 female gymnast it would be very hard it's definitely a biological Advantage being short is to gymnastics cuz that's a lot to be like swinging around I've heard that the activity itself somehow stunt your growth I would love to have a doctor explained that whether or not that's uh accurate yeah i' I've heard that too but I think it might be pop science or poppy [ __ ] pop science okay pop science um is that a term yeah it is yeah oh thanks for teaching it to me could you elaborate on it pop science just like Popular Science like it's that's not science though it's like this is of the moment mhm um my favorite gymnast who I told you about Dominique moano she was Romani she was American but is of Romanian descent okay um because she was a 96 you were nine I was seven I was seven I was about to turn eight when the Olympics happened in 96 okay you were born in ' 87 so 96 is N9 years away from yeah so I don't know I mean I I respect your story and your experience but also 96 and ' 87 is 9 years away and they happen in the summer yeah but it was right before before I turned an age yeah I think it was right before you turned nine I guess it maybe it was anyway she was 46 or something at that time she was 14 though but she was like 46 and 70 something pounds and now she's 5'3 so it probably did stun her growth wow she grew after but quite a bit yeah I mean she I guess she hadn't even maybe hit puberty my two obsessions currently is I need to stand next to George KD okay and I need to stand next to Simone biles both those okay people I really want to bad I'm going to put a lot of effort into it okay you could put on your vision board manifest it that'd be a fun thing to put on the vision board because I could put a little um I cut out pictures and I I could see how close it really was scale-wise you could I guess I won't tell this story on here cuz I don't know if I should what one but moiu had a sister who her parents left at the hospital in Romania no here oh what the [ __ ] what do you mean they left her at the hospital because she had no legs oh wow and now there's a dock on it so I do feel like I can talk a little bit about it because there's a dock on it okay wow I know you can do that just leave at the well she got adopted so maybe I mean I imagine I guess you can say I'm not fit to be a parent I'd like to give this child up for adoption this one but I want to save these other one she has like another one too I think oh my goodness really sad anyway they found each other though oh they did they're reunited yeah oh good yeah didn't it feel so good I was going to say that but it's not the time okay also she became an aerialist oh the sister that had been left exactly and so they both kind of like found their way to Athletics yeah in sort of a similar kind so very nature versus nurture we love that yeah and it's on the nature side this time yeah it is oh I saw Deadpool oh how was it I want to say that yeah it was spectacular oh God did you see it Rob no not yet oh my God it's so funny it's so funny it's So Meta it's constantly making fun of itself and acknowledging that it is a Marvel movie and yet the emotional Parts work when they need to work and it's also making fun of itself the entire time so many spectacular cameos and then the cooe gro um Wolverine Hugh Jackman he gets that top off and I almost squealed he looks so good oh my God I do really want to see it what a physique and I like it's hairy which is kind of cool I know this back toback fact checks I talked about penises last time and now I'm going to talk about Hugh Jackman's body for the next s to n minutes I'm just kidding I'll just I'll try to keep it under 25 seconds but what a physique oh my God and then there was flashbacks at the end like all this footage of the beginning the very first Wolverines and stuff and all the X-Men and yeah that's been going on for so long Hugh Jackman was so young right you just kind of lock him into your mind of whatever he is currently I do and then looking back I'm like oh he's way younger than me in there I mean he's young that's cool to be still playing the same character for that yeah that was one of the jokes in the movie he he's like Disney's gonna make you do this till you're 90 that's funny like right in the movie oh so funny though and also didn't know sha Levy directed it which that was you knew that great job Shawn Levy really really well done you've worked for Shawn twice oh twice three times he was on an episode of punk oh I was in Cheaper by the Dozen my first time in a movie oh that was his he directed oh my God he gave you your first movie role he did yeah oh that's really nice um because we met on punked through Ashton he had already done with Ashton some big hit movie with Britney Murphy Just Married just married that was Sean Ley too I know I loved Just Married yeah a goodie yeah and that came out right when we did the pilot for Punk so somehow I met him and he was in and then uh yeah and then This Is Where I Leave You yeah that's the one I was referring to yeah I didn't know about those others that's cool yeah it's it was uh pretty funny when my kids were watching Cheaper by the Dozen and they just stumbled upon me they're like Dad is this you I'm like yeah that is learning how to do it in real time in front of everyone yeah that's that's a ding- ding ding cuz Jack Black was talking about that with Northern Exposure and some of the other things he was doing that he wishes he could sort of remove remove yeah cuz he doesn't feel good about his um performance cuz he was like kind of learning yeah it's rough but yeah Jack Black was great oh I love Jack Black he's so sweet I saw him on a bird scooter yesterday oh you did oh my God ding ding ding great Street and at the light there and just saw someone like tearing down on a bird scooter in all got closer he was wearing the same uh tie dye same tie-dye shirt and headphones I think he lives in tie-dye uh really quick cuz this is hanging out you weren't there Rob uh you were on the Family Feud and I don't think we we didn't debrief on that no I when was that it was like four months ago maybe five months ago four or five months ago and who was your team it was with Rachel Rachel and you and who else uh her brother and her two best friends Rachel bson yes and so you were a family member yep and how did you guys do we did terribly you did terribly we lost every round oh no Rob I thought you won no and my my buzzer we lost the buzz in almost every time oh cuz you couldn't figure out how to apparently the other team practiced and was really fast there's supposed to be some trick on on um Jeopardy that way like it doesn't work until he's stopped talking or something there is some hack there who was your who was your opponent uh Walker Hayes he's a country guy okay and he mopped the floor with you guys yeah okay and who had he brought for support uh his like wife and manager and okay bud who what were the category like well my question was uh after God whose word do you trust most the guy buzzed in and said Oprah oh wow not Mom or Dad dad well I then responded Obama oh oh wow you got really so you buz with the intention of saying Oprah and then you said Obama no he was say the guy said Oprah so it made me go to like I guess famous person we're famous's Auto auto parts yeah you have to go in with real conviction can't get thrown by these other people they do that on purpose I got thrown by the God thing too cuz my family's so religious that I was like sure you were like dealing with some trauma parents on there yeah was the obvious Mom Dad brother sister Aunt Uncle oh my God yeah um there was Steve Harvey's inducted in the Hall of Fame for what oh like mustache comedy Hall of Fame sure that's hard yeah and self- serving is Steve Harvey the host yeah okay that's fun for him yeah is he deserves it I like him one time when I went to a live taping of Ellen yeah in my early days of living here in Los Angeles big deal to get to go to a taping you went as an audience member yeah and it's a really big deal um and you you know you wait in line you get take yeah yeah um and Steve Harvey was one of the guests he was one of the guests yeah and it was fun and when she came down dancing did you dance I mean I think I danced but not not enough to I would never want to be on camera get the solo shot oh my God no so you have to figure out how to blend right you don't want to stick up for not dancing you want to stick out for dancing too hard correct I would love when I was backstage at Ellen watching the audience and them finding those great dancers that would pop up and put on a show they would get so excited they would yeah it's cute such a party she said she regretted that cuz it was so painful like she did it on accident during one of the early pilot they shot a few and she danced once and they were like that really works and then she was locked into it he like a lot of times she had back pain or she got to keep Dancing Yeah should I dance on this show when we go to video oh God yeah I know you want me to okay I'll do it I'd rather not but because you're so hellbent on it I'll do it we had to fill out a questioner for our new employer yeah we did and it asked like what what would you want us to know about you that we might not know and I wrote I'm an incredible dancer wow what did you write I don't remember that question I must have skipped it you might have skipped it um how many did you skip I thought I did them all but I don't think I did but that must be because I think they know everything they need to know about me yeah yeah we both had to fill out this questionnaire and I was doing it and I thought oh my God Dax is going to hate doing this uhuh and then you texted me that you had so much fun filling out the question I was like I don't want to fill out this question here and then I found that I was really having fun doing it yeah it was a real roll reversal it was cuz I I didn't enjoy it you didn't enjoy it and you love online surveys no I don't Oh I thought you did do you love going on and find taking the personality test I love that yeah that's to me that's what it filed under cuz all it got you to do is talk about yourself I was like what products do you love I'm like oh let me tell you I love so many products let me hit you with it and like what are your hobbies why I have so many hobbies can't wait to list those I know I guess I was like I don't want to think about me okay right now okay um cuz when we do the surveys yeah it's to find out about you it's not to talk about you right and I like that I don't love to an extent yes but that's I prefer finding out things about me well well that's interesting because I think you like I think you do like um you know if you were to ask me do well that's a bad example because I would probably say yes I have a lot of hobbies but to to have to write down everything and then look at the list and then I go like oh yeah I do a lot of fun stuff like it made me feel good I I when I see it it's tot it's the same way in a bad way like the Hazelden work sheets work when you're getting sober and it's like list all the drugs you've tried and you might think you've done a few drugs but if you have to sit down and list it I'll look at that list I'm like wow that's that's or like when at the doctor they ask you how many drinks you you already know that about yourself but you actually learn it about yourself by seeing it in its totality and writing another one that gets scary when you're writing is it there's a question that's I forget it exactly but it's like um what drugs have you used in combination oh and so yeah there's been some events where it's like it's start oh I started with drinking then I took a couple of these pills then I did ecstasy out of nowhere then I'm doing cocain and then I look at that totality like all the things I had taken in one stretch yeah and that's very alarming like oh I did like 15 drugs that binge you know yeah hazelton's a recovery place right it's a treatment center in Minnesota and I I think it has the best recovery rate so but does everyone in AA take that survey made like a workbook that helps going through the steps so a lot of sponsors will send that to you when you're trying to do your first step or your second step it's a cool little work sheet that I see yeah cuz the Big Book of Alcoholics Anonymous which is the only official literature well there's some other stuff but when they're explaining how to do the steps there's not a ton of detail on how to exactly do that so these people have like put into action some and they're great that's cool oh they were for me I liked fing out and I've given them to guys and they seem to how much do they cost I think they get downloaded off the internet for free you downloaded them I think I did yeah I think you could like go download right now Hazel in step one or step two God you never print I try to really conserve my ink you're right I'm shocked you've done this one of my many scarcity things that's where it'll bult B up I hate printing stuff I hate when I see Kristen printing a whole script on the printer I'm like oh my God where's we're going to run on ink and then where do you get it you always you get a printer and then they go obsolete really quickly and you can't track down the ink yeah I have a lot of anxiety about ink and Kleenex yeah oh [ __ ] yeah you I put three boxes under my nightstand yesterday because I've only had a dwindling box on my nightstand I had in my mind that no one had gotten more and I've been panicked for like eight days why don't you just order more I do do a lot of that your hands you know I do do a lot of that though and then my family makes fun of me cuz we have a couple thousand toothbrushes and so much Crush 3D White cuz I'm so panicked I'm going to go to brush my teeth one morning and there won't be any toothpaste paste yeah I need toothpaste and kleenexes you know me and my kleenexes you love Kleenex I can't live without them one time you were at a hotel and you were noting that the quality of the hotel was so bad that it didn't have CeX and I had never thought that in my life I I've never looked for Kleenex but I think you've changed me because now when I go to hotels I'm I look for them yeah there's all these rungs of hotels it's like what kind of linens are you getting what kind of pillow do you get what kind of do is there Kleenex is the toilet paper like [ __ ] right transparent and useless or is it good toilet paper yeah that's for me a big indicator but Kleenex never was but now it is and now I have kleenex by my bed oh wonderful yeah just one of the many ways you've affected me um okay Jack Black Jordan Peele Twilight Zone yeah he he did in 2019 he did two seasons as a producer or director or what he host a narrates hosts and narrates okay great it was created by Rod Serling sure back in the 1600s no in 2019 no Rod Serling created Twilight Zone like in the I don't know 50s or 60s oh yeah the original yeah it's black and white back to the Olympic be fun if people were black and white until color TV [Laughter] happened I really wish that was real yeah sometimes I wish Pleasantville yeah that was fun when it things were started turning into color back to the Olympics how familiar you oh you are because you watch Sprint um do you think Noah Lyall looks like um don't say it um Donald Glover I was gonna say it I'm sorry I was gonna guess it you love to guess I do yes I do think that I do too yeah it's like oh what would Donald Glover be if he's an Olympic Athlete and and Noah Lyall answers that I'd like to stand next to him too although Donald Glover looks like an Olympic athlete in Mr and Mrs Smith oh wow yeah that's what you he's always in his little panties he encouraged me to try some little panties he always wears he doesn't wear a boxer brief he wears like a brief and he looks very sexy in them and I was like you know what I'm going to um meand has some options that are tinier and I'm going to try them I've liked them ohce it's all based on him so oh yeah he's a role model yet another thing we could talk about Donald if you came on our men's panties so he was a member of the actors gang and he kind of threw that out there but the actors gang is very substantial it has a lot of people who were a part of it um hit me with some alumni Jack black beast John cack John C Riley Helen Hunt Kate Walsh Jeremy Piven John favro Tim Robbins Tim Robbins that's the main one yeah he's the Godfather of the actress gang yeah Isn't that cool it is makes me wish I was a part of it it's never it's too late it's actually too late um okay now some other famous Alum of Crossroads can I pause you for one second sure because it's a ding ding ding because Jack and I were trying to think of all the names for cocaine and he said Devil's dandruff which is good yeah and there's a section of Deadpool where they say probably 50 names for cocaine and it's so great and I was like I wish I I wanted to be writing them down like oh I don't want to forget any of these These are great were most of them new to you a lot of them were new to me yeah cool very creative okay um famous alumni from Crossroads High School here in Los Angeles that he went to the West Side very popular Michael Bay really MH oh I didn't realize it was that uh around that long um careful care it opened in 1971 oh my God okay so easily accommodate Mike Bay Jonah Hill sure Kate Hudson you knew okay I knew that Oliver Hudson Kon Oliver the basketball player um oh my God Maya went there Rudolph yeah yeah yeah LeBron son no no this is when Kate was going there they were classmates he Sharie O'Neal no Baron Davis yeah Baron Davis Jessica Yellen I love her um Liv Tyler really Jason Ritter oh Ritter sweetest Ritter gwenth peltro this school what a Sam oh high too though I mean a lot of it's just because it's La Sam oh high yeah cuz that's where you had Downey thez bra low trilling that was of a certain era age kefir yeah but that that I know I know sorry but they were all from s they were in Malibu I thought that is what's confusing a lot of them were living in Malibu but going to school at S I don't understand I hate that it's called Sam I like it Santa Monica High School okay Sam um if you lived here yeah then you would have hated Sam that's half of the pleasure of moving to new places is you don't inherit all that crap yeah you know the privates here are very distinct I do think people don't understand necessarily the situation in La yes that when all these people are sending their kids to private schools it seems seems crazy and it seems very it is extremely privileged but it seems like outrageous that everyone's sending their kids at private schools but the public school system here is rough yeah it really is and so I understand this push and pull yeah what do you do yeah in my neighborhood all the public options with the exception of charter schools which why our kids go to Charter School yeah they're in the lower like third of the State Testing so you're a little bit like wow that's like are they going to get what they need and I never had that problem the public schools in gwet County are fantastic and so like there's no you would never yeah yeah it could even be a step down exactly yeah like if you went to a parochial school it might not even be that good academic yeah does parochial mean Rel I so yeah yeah all right let's see okay the Harry chapen song you were talking oh yeah I think it's called taxi it is I couldn't believe he didn't know that he didn't know it he you mean to play it sure okay it was raining hard in Frisco I said you want me to play it not sing it I needed one more F he sang it in the he he I was the other time I felt really bad is when I sang in front of um the German supermodel and she's like that's terrible Heidi Clum yeah so fun I know she was she blasted [Music] me it was raining hard in Frisco I needed one more fair to make my night a lady up ahead wave to flag me down she got in at the light oh where you going to my lady blue it's a shame you red your gown in the rain she just looked out the window she said 16 box [Music] at some about her was familiar I could swear I seen her face before but she said I'm sure you're mistaken and she didn't say anything more it took a while but she looked in the mirror then she glanced at the license for my name a smile seemed to come to her slowly it was a sad smile just to say I promise I'll stop after the chorus no I want to hear it and she said how I said how are you through the the two little Smiles I still remember you [Music] [Music] got to get to the damn who it's 100 it's 100 minutes it's 100 minutes that's the song I can't believe he didn't know I mean that's it's that and Cats in the Cradle for Harry that well we also were confused about that a little bit who was all of us really Cats in the Cradle and silver spoon we know it but we didn't you didn't know it was Harry chapen right yeah maybe that's common and then because remember because he said didn't it get popular with it from a 90s band which I looked up oh no doubt look no it's not okay we the same yeah there's a band that sounds just like Ugly Kid Joe oh ugly kid does not sound like no doubt ugly kid Joo 1992 included a cover of the song cats in the CR yeah but did I tell you that during the sleepover with the six kid kids I discovered that one of Lincoln's Playmates this girl she loves Cats in the Cradle her and her dad and then so I put it on the Sonos in the kitchen and um Lincoln came down and me and her friend were singing the song we both know the lyrics and I don't think she liked it oh yeah think she's like why does my uh this girl know a song my dad knows and I don't know yeah I mean I'm really projecting probably but I well you know if she's CU she and I know all the same song I think she was just a little bit like what's going on here felt like a violation no it's just a Vibe I got was like I think she doesn't like I wouldn't have liked it if you came can you imagine if you came downstairs and a show was singing with one of your friends that would just never happen right who are you go back into your office but that yours would be more unique cuz how many songs did you and your dad share not we shared a song um we shared um oh I didn't even know a sh liked music does he yeah yeah I yeah he's a person seems like such a waste of time like music what a frivolous we um went in the car when he would take me to to dayare no I guess it was daycare or school or something he would play um on a tape uh he own cassette tapes what is the song um oh boy something about a rainbow no I can see clearly now I can see clearly now the rain has gone a lot and when you guys sing out loud it's going to be a bride Bri I think I think we sang silently in our head but we played it it was our song Indian singalong yeah how do you know an Indian singal along cuz you can hear yourself breathing no Indians are very jovial you were I know I was there they're living out loud just like those Italians yeah but um yeah that was our song and then to no no that's a betrayal oh he might be mad if I was like I played that song for Dad that's our song yeah I hate music this is why I don't like music it's so frivolous I could have built five buildings in the time that also we would listen to Clark Howard what's Clark Howard Clark Howard was a local sports com not Sports kind of like NPR oh yeah okay oh my God my dad would listen to it nonstop and I hated it that makes sense I I have your dad very much as a talk radio person not a music person any moment he could be getting more information that he wouldn't be would be a waste that's that's true but music in the morning for his baby oh he make an exception yeah I wonder if he was like Paul Harvey do you remember Paul Harvey Paul Harvey was great he gave the news and he was kind of nationally syndicated and he was a real playful guy Paul Harvey we it was Clark Howard can you see if Clark Howard was a fin personal finance guy oh your dad was like a Dave Ramsey learning how to invest maybe okay it was so boring oh I bet do you think anyone in the back seat of their parents car getting driven home from school be fun I hate this yes they you hear her that you trust her well trust me this sucks put on Rainbow I hate this rainbow song please play Rainbow song okay all right love you love you [Music]