Episode 4: DEADLOCK IS OUT

intro hello listeners in the cursed Apple welcome back to dead air the radio show that comes to you every week on a Sunday Saturday one of the weekend days it's me and blank here for episode four we got some things to talk about hey doing blank you're on the road right now you're not at home yeah it's like a the half half on the road Edition where blank is in a small hotel room with a terrible mic and you are with the high-grade production qualita which is nice it's not bad you get a bit of a 50/50 yeah to be fair though you know it all started from recording on one phone on an ironing board oh D so probably slightly better than that those are good times those are some hella good times I enjoyed that I remember when we try you try to set it up fell over about a bajillion times um set it up again it fell over again yeah painful on the ironing board but all in all that was it was a banger it was a true banger yeah I pirate radio like what it would be if we get like an office for dead Air at some point and I have to fly out which doesn't sound great but I would do it you every every weekend we to we meet in the middle we do it in like do Thea it's like Pirate Radio yeah International Pirates yeah with the radio on that we do drum and bass the whole week and then us on a on a weekend two hours was that thing that there was like um might have been a BBC thing but they literally went out uh on the water to play play this radio show this radio channel uh and people will listen to I think he's like in the 80s or 70s or something uh let me look that up really quick Jamie pull that up floating radio show floating radio oh what the hell I'm on Yahoo search that's not right um radi show um 70 sl8 I've got I've got one here saying that there used to be a floating radio station that was on the Ohio River called w n o p that's the one that's the one because they they had to do it there so they didn't get shut down um it used to be known as the Jazz Arc and it kept on playing jazz until around the year 2000 and since then it's been a Catholic radio channel no it's not the one damn that's so annoying like it was like rock music on the water on the water pretty yeah rocks on oh this is really problematic for me a um yeah I mean that's that's the only one that comes up bro there's nothing no way there's a whole film about it floating radio station the boat that the boat that rocks there we go it might is a movie I think it was based on a is it based on a real oh bro I might have just been psyched out by a movie have you just invented a fake storyline based on a movie plot maybe let me is is there I'm so sorry that's please don't say it's based on a fictional story on the Wikipedia um the boat the rocked is a 2009 comedy drama film uh fictional Pirate Radio Radio Rock oh anyway great movie you I've goofed you all there you thought really fumbled I thought I was doing a good one but we could do a radio Rock Ensemble type of deal Radio rock the boat that rocks uh the boat that Ed the dead how's that you like that that's kind of good the dead b i I mean yeah I guess dude like yeah feel like a ghost ship type situation that would be cool yeah we Jazz it up radio classic yeah maybe this not get there we we could do something with that like spooky hot I'd love to record one of these like a very cheap yacht AKA Robo I didn't ask is that going to work rowing and cast podding yes pod pod to cast pod boat the Pod boat now this is pod pod boating pod pod boating oh that would be me yeah i' love that some serious pod boo in here today anyway I'm sorry I'm sorry I goofed everyone I've been F that's fake news that's I've done fake news damn that really sucks oh well anyway okay Asia classic segment intro to dead a no that's good that's good I it's also because I had to check my browser I've realized I haven't even done my agent tweet for the day actually so I'm just throwing one out that was pretty good timing that could have been that's good blast premier & ewc it's 11: p.m. it would have been would have been hellish mate it would have been bad all look at this we're I'm in I'm in the reads doing the podcast and we're making it happen while you're doing a little agent tweet look at Social yeah I've tweeted out get done save myself still still had an hour of safety what was the what was the premise um for today's tweet yeah it's a clip from from blast I'm currently commentating the the blast Showdown for Counter Strike and we had a player that slipped off of the map basically on vertigo he tried the smoke no he just he just tried to do the jump to get back on site right but he he's he's just [ __ ] it proper mck it up fell fell off he died uh but blast owned it with the replay basically they immediately had the Replay for as soon as the round ended put a black and white filter on it sad music they're little they little raindrops on the screen as well right so good so it's it's just me you know just being like who would put a banana peel in front of this man just doing like a movie trailer yeah it's good it's good I like it went down a treat so I've tweeted that out so posted that beautiful just as the agent tweet for the day but yeah so me and Blan are both both working on separate things right now I'm at home though so it's not too bad the movie Magic still works yeah I'm doing AWC it's sort of a podcast in itself it's like um just go on talk about four games three games that I have no clue about at all uh and I kind of have to do it I actually got really into Tekken dude so so good saw you were enjoying a bit of Tekken so good yeah I challenged quick shot to a game um I had the option select though cuz he beat me on the easy mode but I got perfect round off him perfect it was quite nice you had some good combo deadlock adjacent actually it looked it really did look cool yeah it really did I feel like the second half of the combo was absolutely accidental made it well but the first half was sick yeah yeah I was in the challenge mode anyway this is a lot about different games but yeah we are here for deadlock it's what it's it's the deadlock adjacent deadlock adj we we always said you know the off the off big patch weeks would be somewhat deadlock adjacent somewhat deadlock yeah but actually you know what is crazy is um on WE downstairs we got this Talent lounge and um for all the goofballs that are us uh it's like tons of PCS and the amount of towns I've seen people playing deadlock down there is pretty wild pretty wild yeah Public deadlocking public deadlocking very nor private public deadlocking it's it's very naughty very very naughty um but they're all loving it and I actually got to introduced some of the pubg guys to deadlock um and they were big fans big big fans they've been playing every night I think actually depending on the time it's just gone midnight I think they'll be finishing their show soon and they will come back and play till like yeah not even joking it's addictive bro it's addictive people love it like especially it is one of those games where I think that that first month or first couple weeks when you get in oh hard to put down you can't you can't sleep you're looking at the items especially when we started dude there was there was nothing right like it was Barren outside of play in the game yeah um now like even I imagine some people kind of watch like our our stuff and that's what they do when they're not playing as well or they listen to the podcast or they're reading stuff because it's as much as it's not changed it's still pretty private right now like I think people are getting a bit more bold there's stuff popping up right people are tweeting it's crazy bro there's always something about deadlock every day now even though that shouldn't be like as public as it is um yeah but but it's there but when we were playing like I remember I go to bed and I'm like laying there in bed and in my head I'm like oh well what if what I Lady guys like this play another scrolling through I'm reading everything in the Discord yeah there nowhere else to get the stuff though is it so you got to find it yourself nothing nothing yeah I remember a night specifically where we'd called it a night we'd finished on dead it got to it got to 5:00 a.m. I'm I'm rustling my covers I'm Restless I want to play some more deadlock so I I creep off to the uh creep off to the to the PC um I jump on L and behold guess who's [ __ ] on deadlock at that time Mr Jackie it was the way I remember we both like got to like you know 3 3 4: a.m. or something like that we should probably go to bed we'll go to bed and then we' both gone our separate ways yeah and of our own accord we like an hour later skulked back to the PC sat down booted up the game I've seen you come on Steam I'm like what is this you like yeah yeah yeah I'm like all right bro you jump in we go on the na servers we're there till 8:00 a.m. that was a bad night that was a bad night both pretend in the morning I just didn't get that much sleep actually I'm just yeah just kind of kind of tired really you been up all night n no went went to bed when you saw me go to bed I play ter W up at 11. and then and then we played more later oh it's insane just lying lying to the wives yeah I didn't you know that that was funny that was real funny um but yeah so we we had the ocean anig which is good um but now it's not so much of a big deal because you get you fix in a lot you can get fix in a lot more frequently now with the way that they are constantly pushing back the um yeah play times which is nice to see I think I can play till 4:00 a.m. here actually on the it's kind of crazy how even I was speaking to some other people um some CS people that were obviously playing like back in those initial few waves um and it it's so funny to think back because obviously it wasn't that long ago but it feels like it was now because of how long we've lived like this timeline of Deadlock where um they were saying like oh yeah I was playing on na servers I like could only play from this time to this time so I'd have to like really stay up late to play the game or wait all day and I was like yeah that was me like I know exactly what you mean I remember being like [ __ ] M I want to play but I'm just going to have to wait until like nearly [ __ ] 2 a.m. whatever it is and then play for a bit or I think it was like midnight or whatever yeah and then when they added EU service it was like damn all right cool the game feels even better now like I can play on regular times and it's just got more and more open yeah it's crazy it is weird to think about um the deadlock drought but I've also seen as well in that side of it it's been interesting that I've I've seen a lot of people that are really kind of happy in a way with how it is right now where it feels like something we've not had in a very long time where like there isn't just Public public okay sorry sorry like no no no no no yeah like you're forced to only play in regular times but I I mean more in like people are saying they enjoy the fact that it's like you have to know where to look and like everything's quite high quality so we're making really high quality stuff because we can we take our time and it's it's fun like it's something you want to do where it's not like oh [ __ ] I'm just going to pump out a load of videos for views because that's what I'm doing yeah we're doing it because it's like the game's just fun it's like sick man like I actually want to create stuff about it as much as I want to play it you know because it's that's enjoyable um and people are really enjoying that element of it where it's like it is kind of Niche and no one's telling you what to think or how to play you just have to look for it if you want that yeah if you be one of those little one of those auma types right now and you're playing deadlock first of all welcome to an Era of of gaming that you've never experienced before but um yeah it's for us it's sort of very similar to what when we grew up where it it's like case of um you wouldn't have all these guides on the internet you wouldn't have uh what's the best build for such and such you had to go looking you have to go discuss with people real people um of what was the best strategy what can you do so a lot of it the the exploration and like that magic of really understanding the game your um doesn't exist that much anymore but it does in this because you do have to go looking uh Al beit there is like I think we hit 111,000 um users right now on the Discord I don't think we're at a similar capacity of players in terms of concurrent but that is still 111 viewers 111,000 people all posting uh little tidbits here and there it's kind of crazy it is man it's we can check that quick because oh this is a DA get into the yeah to get into the Discord you have to have um the client obviously to be able to do it yeah and select it and S it yeah valve shout us out again that's what I mean right so technically there should be even more players than what's in the Discord and everything else so it's hard to gauge It Off player Peak alone but all time player Peak was five days ago that was 44512 24hour Peak is 32,000 so any difference about 10K that's that's actually not that bad especially when you factor in that was a Sunday so we're probably coming up to our next big set of Peaks again soon because it will be the weekend right when people are at home and wanting to play um you can't play during lunch hours so so many people that actually have access to the game dude yeah and also talk about so many people uh Val shouted us out again it happened again oh bro yes I forgot about that yeah yeah that was awesome which this one was mental so I I went out with this actually happened before the sorry I can't forgot we um we went out to see some friends and then I got um I it was emails I started getting emails that was like from the Freds you know on the Forum yeah and I'm just thinking oh okay some people have seen the post all of a sudden and I'm thinking nothing of it but they just kept coming and we're sat there at a bar and I'm like iting so many emails and then I open the Discord thinking oh maybe I'll just have a look maybe maybe things happen on the Discord and again it was dead air Community member patch note video like they link YouTube which was the crazy they linked the YouTube and the Forum post directly so they just the thumbnail was there like damps art was front and center everything's there yeah I got I got here's the crazy thing I got my phone out right yeah within eight minutes I saw it go up 300 subs and I was like crazy what is going on like actually what is going on now 1.6 1.6 th000 people the last for context by the way remember this bro one week ago the last one of these we did these podcasts we said thank you so much for 100 Subs I know I know insane insane so like when you were out I was sat at home dig diligently fixing uh the podcast cuz um we uh if you if you kept up date with the patch no Fred if you didn't that's fine you just can see on YouTube that's okay to the story now um but last week we had some big technical errors um that initial first like 45 minutes from episode three which is fantastic by the way it's so funny and people really liked it as well I'm so glad we got it out great banter truly great banter if you go watch 45 minutes you don't care about the patch notes just want some fun go listen to that first 45 minutes so good but Jackie's PC crashed uh in the middle of recording and uh it was almost unrecoverable Jackie works on Magic though managed to get it back so I was there editing but it was all out of sync so I had to resync all the video um which was difficult at best hellish yeah then the video wouldn't render um so I I I had a bad time but this is the thing is I went on the YouTube channel to upload the video uh once it was all finally fixed and I saw the subscriber count which was at 750 I believe um you like what I was like what is going on what is this I thought I thought it was a book at first I thought i' been baited by YouTube so I got like I got all lated in my seat I was like oh what the hell 750 subscribers I was like no it's got it's got to be a mistake it's got be a mistake then I saw the shout out insane yeah insane it actually mad like actually mad I it no it's so cool so cool because obviously like again you know it happens once amazing but you don't ever expect it to then happen again so so the fact that it then did happen again like so cute yeah really really nice sick of course as well because like at the end of the day the patch no stuff and all the other stuff we've made is basically just stuff that either shows you what's going on or is designed in a way where we just want I don't know we want everyone that kind of like we did where me and you would just sat there going I want to talk about deadlock but I can't talk to anyone about it me and you just ramble to each other about weird ideas or what's changed or what might have changed it gives everyone a platform to talk about it and I think the best thing is the fact that it's kind of been pushed and people have seen it especially with the Discord going like you know 30 times as big as it was when the first time we got shouted out by Valve W yeah so many people that are just chatting about deadlock and using like the threads that we've made or the videos that we've made as a place to get ideas or hey I I want to make this does this work or what do you think of this character or that's a cool update I like this you know it's actually given people a place to talk about it which is really cool like that's one of the best unexpected things about it is just um it's made like a secret community and I've seen that where people people are talking about dead air and like the channel as if it is like a secret club and it feels like that's how it's gone you know it's like we've got a little tree house it's full like a thousand people yeah dude so before we just ramble on too long about this we do just want to thank you all from the bottom of our hearts right and our stomachs and you know our fat because this has been an awesome thing and honestly uh all 1,600 view right now and anyone in the future that does subscribe to the channel we appreciate that not only did you watch the video you click the r big red button um which is a step further to to express that you Vibe with what we're doing here uh and we just want to keep doing it so we do have I believe we've got we've got a lot of things in the pipeline coming up yeah shortly uh I think people are asking for the cast as well which is really nice um and that is in the works but probably not soon I don't think Jackie it just depends we we're working it in around like everything we're doing we've got a whole load of stuff that's currently being like made and edited and then it's also just me and Blan are both working we're working on some events together soon as well um but with the plan is obviously we've got a whole load of stuff that's going to be coming out um damps currently away at Gamescom as well obviously we said we sent her there just in case they announc deadlock she had everything ready I think she's been doing some like deadlock adjacent content she's been running around filming some stuff yeah so deadlock news is going to come back on Monday you'll get another one of those uh all the regular stuff and more is being cooked up it's just depends when we get it out but you know where we post stuff you there's links now I went ahead and put basically a link to a global playlist so if you find one of our videos you can now find them all so yeah I thought that would make it easier for people that like discover us and then go actually what else did they do obious we can't make it but this way if you share it around to people that have the game it's a bit easier for you yeah which which is kind of what we needed we have received a lot of comments recently saying um great that you're putting this out but where can I find the other stuff so there you go um I believe it's either in the description or in the comments Jackie you have to tell me uh I think it's it's it's the top line of every video on the channel there's like a a playlist that just gets updated with everything we make all right cool perfect there you go so if you need to find more that's where it is um but yeah again big thank you um the casting stuff will come along um we want to make sure that we are fully prepared for it we don't we don't want to just head into a game and have a have a bash around we do want to put on something that you will enjoy watching um so obviously you see a lot of the other stuff on the channel it's is super high quality that's kind of what we want that to be like which why it it probably won't take ages but it might take a little bit longer finding a formula of how we want it to look as well because if we're going to do that sort of stuff right now I'd like it to look super visually pretty I'd want to do little cinematics on stuff it's not one of those where we just throw on like a high low replay we'd want to actually give you something really nice to watch and listen to because obviously we are kind of perfectionist like commentary a craft that we've been honing for like you know I've been doing this since I was like 17 so it's a long long time like I I've been casting it's been like 10 nearly 11 years game different exactly and you want to um as much as you have like a style of how you cast and you get better with like experience and the more games you do and stuff with deadlock is another one of those where it's like super passionate for the both of us so we'd want to make sure we're coming at you with something we're actually really happy with and and have sort of legs too so yeah yeah like BL says there'll be stuff but it's later down the line you know you get good quality games you get some good quality casts for for now everything we want to make is super kind of like passion projecty so it is what patch notes it is um but yeah there you go I think that's kind of the recap on all the bits and Bobs because there was a lot of random bits that happened in a week since the last one there has also been a few little things that have happened to the game we'll pull them up because we we had two patches yeah yeah we had two patches both of these were smaller though they were listed as I think micro micro minor p yeah Mr Yoshi loves that phrase the minor Pat just a minor patch yeah just a minor patch that looks like any other game's normal patch which is quite funny to me yeah dude the the minor patch notes so we we can go through those firstly we had one that was on the 18th so obviously that was a day after the 17th IV balance update I think right where it was one with shiv and Ivy yeah yeah so we got that one no actually was was that the that day before yeah okay 17th we had the IV and shift balance update that's also when they gave us the shout out and then on the 18th late at night so 19th for European times we got the the little update with the rejuvenate uh restor a restorative locket so we can pull that up now we were hypothesizing about this a little bit cuz a few patches previously there were minor Buffs to restorative locket and we didn't think that much of it but obviously commented on it at the time but then this was the knock on effect um so if you haven't seen it it was a few little changes we'll go through that bit by bit firstly restorative lockit Spirit resist was reduced from 10% to 8% yeah which is obviously restorative locket uh 1,200 item and it was sort of creeping into the category of old Veil walker uh if you weren't around because we have a lot of new people going in for Veil Walker that actually used to be in the weapon category as a 1,200 item you basically bought every game uh it was really good really really busted for ganking early on as well uh but for restorative lockit again it just it had uh bloat it had bloat on it and I think the way they' had been adjusting it it was something that they'd looked in at passing uh and then very quickly people were abusing it especially on shiv uh with the defer damage damage mitigation yeah so it was a case of like he was very unkillable with this even just other characters uh like pocket so I'm glad that they did reduce a little bit obvious the cool down went up from 24 to 28 the heal reduced 40 to 35 uh and again this was also a big one especially for pocket players who Max Superior stamina um stamina restore chain from Max stamina to one charge so you could use all six and get another six out um which was pretty broken especially for ivys Who start with an obscene amount of stamina at the the beginning of the game so it makes sense I mean yeah like thinking about it like that actually it does go to show why Blood letting would be so Op with that yeah so there you go Spirit resist slightly nerfed of course 2% reduction on that uh in terms of the cool down as well that's up by 4 seconds so rather than being 24 it's now 28 slightly less spammable 4 seconds of difference I I know in passing obviously you might look at that and think that's not that long but that actually is a pretty substantial change 4 seconds can be definitely enough of a difference it's a long time that's the length of silencer now if you imagine how long science at last like it's quite beefy it's quite beefy so that's a noticeable one uh and then heel wise 40 per stack has been brought down by five so 35 being the heal per stack yeah which uh Stacks up Jackie Stacks up over time I mean you like blocks May you talking about cuz per stack is uh a bit of a uh what's it called sole what's the word I'm looking for here uh it's one you don't see you look at it on paper yeah it's a it's stealth yeah absolutely stealth you look it on paper and you think this ain't that bad but if you think about the amount of stacks which I believe is 16 that's off the top of my head though so uh you'll have to correct me on that one if I'm wrong I I hang on yeah for some reason I feel like it was brought down slightly but then I'm not sure if maybe it was buffed my brain's telling me 14 but then maybe it went up to 16 i a what was the citation needed citation need you got the 17th patch open Let Me Whip him out let me get him might have been that I could be wrong though uh no no changes to restive locket here where was it cuz I do remember it be in it would be in the big patch it's going to be in the big Bo Pou control effort yeah control effort the uh awes awesome little control F function very useful very very useful um but yeah like I said it's it's a stealth one because those uh that five healing ah okay so in that big Giga patch where shiv came in yeah we had restorative locket have its Max Stacks reduced by five from 20 so we were both in Middle we it was 15 um and then the heal per stack there is where it got its initial buff up by 10 so it went from 30 to 40 in that patch yeah so it did kind of get a little bit crazy so we're doing we're talking around about 75 hp here I believe yeah so over the 15 Stacks um which if you think about most characters like mid game you're on about 1,100 that is a good like 8% of your HP uh removed off from that heel on Max stacks and the stamina restore chain from Max amam to one charge already discussed that a little bit there um needed change definitely needed change so that was everything to do with restorative locket basically and that's all the 18th patch did focus on it was just a whole load of changes to it to rebalance the item does make sense obviously you know like you said with shiv coming in the difference of in reality I mean he's kind of the only her that has an ability that works like that to actually sort of mitigate damage in such an aggressive way so fair enough then we got this one which came out last night so this was the 22nd as of the time of recording um so we'll start off first one's a bit vague I'm going to give you that but it just says High Velocity magazine affecting some abilities now I would imagine obviously then there is just some area where probably throwables or skill shots I'm thinking like the shiv dagger maybe the sleep dagger on Haze you know what I mean those sort of throwable like projectiles getting affected by the increased travel time basically having that reduction because it just says affecting some abilities but obviously you don't want that that's not the intention it is just supposed to actually buff the travel time on the bullets good sorry big yawn that I've been awake many hours tired yeah for for today but silence glyph damage reduced 150 to 100 but yeah sorry I'll go over High Velocity Max very quickly sorry try fly through it he's an old man he's an old man podcast I've got buy going see um but yeah the high velocity mic thing I think you're on the money I'd say you were on the money uh I didn't I've not experienced it um but that would be the thing that made the most sense that in the sense of um it's considering the bullets as projectiles but also uh considering some abilities as projectiles as well so they're going out faster and or maybe even increasing the spread of them so maybe the ability size which would be an interesting one either way it's gone now it's dead died i' figured it out D that one down um but yeah silence glyph is the one that then gets the most attention yeah absolutely butchered bro you can see when you see an item in patch notes if it's got its name listed like six times it normally just means it's getting cooked you know you know you know it you know it's getting dissected it's not Buffs can be one line five lines you usually like yeah you're like right this it was was busted but yeah damage reduced from 150 to 100 good change you got to imagine that you're buying silence gliph I it's the 3K option there and you buy that um you are getting a lot of damage from an item you can have around about maybe 12 minutes into the match um quite easily like 150 is nuts uh when this item in particular sort of functions the same as curse where curse received like a lot of changes as well in terms of reducing its capacity as an item that added on a lot of combat capabilities to your character uh with you know mag size Etc um silence glyph in the same vein this is for silencing characters as a 3K option um it doesn't remove item usage like curse does um but this is your budget option you might just want to pick it up uh and it's very good shouldn't have been that good though Jackie no probably not probably not mate cuz even the spirit damage scaling reduced from 1.5 to 1.0 is nuts you saw that shiv received a 0.2 to 0.12 uh reduction and that that is really dampened down his damage now you got to look at in the perspective is that went from a 08 Nerf to a 0.5 Nerf so this this thing was doing a lot of damage which you got boundless Spirit stuff like that crazy really no exactly but that's that's the thing like when you compare it a lot more to two other things it's easier to put it into perspective especially for like a newer players as well having just the decimal points and the numbers on some of the things doesn't really translate but like you say if you compare it to other previous nurs where we've seen how that scales you can see where it really will uh take the steam out from underneath you I mean the range is practically just getting halfed you know 5 m is the only layer of that not being taken entirely by half on the cast range and you lose 0.1 to the Sprint as well uh one point Sprint rather feels like a lot of items as well in the past couple patches I think we talking about this about two weeks ago maybe a lot of items were having the extra plus two plus three Sprint stripped off them which I think is okay like everything made you super fast that's fine I think we don't in our podcast uh on the road on the road podcast one of our first ones uh our comment was back then buy your Nikes absolutely buy your Nikes if you don't know what the Nikes are anything bu by the Sprint boots uh and funnily enough that became less and less of a problem as we added more spirit and people started building uh adding more items that increase your Sprint to the game and building those more more frequently so like warpstone for instance which also got nerfed um it it got to the point where you didn't need Nikes anymore you go barefoot have your socks on didn't need them but now you do now you do yeah now you do need them now you need them again if you want to be fast you need to buy them do you know there's um I've read about this ages ago there was this type of kind of clip on shoe that basically was powered by the fact that you if you imagine you have your normal shoe and then you clip on Wheel the bottom yeah and as you would walk they would power up and you would walk faster um yeah but you had to walk in a very specific way to do it very clunky and like kind of terrible yeah but like they were supposed to be like a huge thing they were like AI powered or whatever that was like the whole budzz line and I saw there was like a competitive Walker who does like you know the Malcolm in the Middle like strut where you walk really fast oh the hip side to side yeah and he banged him absolutely cleared the guy with the AI powered walking shoes and then they were saying on the review like yeah these are like £4,000 they're like super experimental Tech uh but also they do get stuck in little holes on the ground and it's kind of experimental walking shoes fast fast walking fast walking shoes with rollers uh does that come up let me have a little look robot shoes can help you walk three times faster I see designed by Austin based shift robotics M they look proper enough yeah they look terrible they they don't they don't look like they worth four grand Moon Walkers X yeah they're the moon Walkers oh here you go sorry $1,400 a pair yeah that's seems mad yeah I wouldn't want to wear those anyway that's like what I mean a Hees were kind of cool was a shoe yeah Hees weren't bad if you never got to experience the Healey hype you had a shoe with a little rolly wheel that would click out the back and then you'd like skate on the back of your feet um hey would be POG actually Yoshi can we have hey in the game add is yeah you could call them like wheelies or something like that Rollo shoes you know what I mean wheelie boots yeah rather than giving like a kinetic Dash style jump when you do do your slide instead of doing the slide you like lean back on your heels and go that would be good I'd like that maybe you get to shoot whil you're using the wheelies yeah so you don't get locked into the the dash animation anymore that could be an interesting one oh remove the dash have a little like role you engage the role yeah that would be cool that's something to think about I quite like that yeah um but yeah so coming back to the original Point Sprint boots now are your friend when it comes to going faster so and and again I like that because Sprint boots were a cool item they were a good item you sacrificed the Vitality slot early on so you could be faster so the likes of paradox really loved them been able to play that uh position four uh I guess role from like DOTA where you're able to get to a different side of the map do a bit of damage uh and then quickly return to your original position um that's what they were very useful for and just giving So Many Items it uh kind of took away it took that away from Sprint boots man why would you do that they're just living their lives trying to be helpful trying to be useful um and they slashed the boots up but they're they're bringing them back now they're bringing them back they had thrown the shoes onto the uh onto the phone lines but they've went went and got them back yeah which is nice yeah they were dealing silence Cliffs bloody hell unacceptable yeah not not in this neighborhood mate in this neighborhood policeman Yoshi he's put the cuffs on we only dealing here oh yeah the cursed Apple can't afford no silence CLI lastly on that one then it was just Spirit Shield being reduced by 25 um so that's kind of everything that changed with silence Cliff now everything else is more individual tweaks Ivy got some tweaks couple other items got some tweaks and then finally Guardians got some tweaks so we'll go from the top here then uh it's reactive barrier that's up next cool down was increased by 10 seconds that's up from 20 to 30 on reactive barrier mad I by the way bro mad item uh I think that if you good with this item you could really stunt on some other Heroes some of the players because again in a lot of the low El low brackets if you know how to use actives you have an inherent Advantage right um but reactive barrier was such a low cool down um that you could just Spam this thing uh and it gave you Freedom it gave you a small burst forward um gave you a slight increase of speed believe uh and you know two pretty beefy barriers uh and it got to a point where reactive reactive barrier wasn't very reactive anymore it was more proactive you would just Spam it out whenever um because it was off cool down so often um and I like you know the thing I like the most about this change is like they literally took the name of the item and then saw where they'd gone wrong they're like this is not very reactive is it guys U so we talked about how 4 seconds was a meaty Nerf in terms of the amount of time it takes to use it again but going from 20 to 30 that's big but I think that this item really required it again 1,200 cost um giving it this treatment is the right treatment that it requires because mainly wfe players that used it and it got egregious yeah yeah that's that's like entirely fair I think again that's another reasonable change 10 seconds like you say it actually makes it more of a a skill-based item rather than something that's kind of always off cool down at least whenever you'd need it with an item of that nature so that's pretty nice it's pretty nice to see that it's got a little bit of attention on it return fire as well next on the docket then that's going to be bullet damage that has been returned so when it bounces the bullets back at the target attacking you that's been reduced by 10% so it's down from 80% of the return damage to 70% yeah I actually I'm not a fan of this change person recently um don't like that bad boy no I thought return fire was very good I think bullet damage returned at 80% was a reasonable spot to be in uh because it punished characters who wanted to go all in on you opened up lots of cool little builds especially for viscus um and I agree with the dev team that this item is too strong um but I think that the active time is more or less where the ISS lies in my opinion again these boys have all the data I could be absolutely wrong um but again for viscus and Kelvin you know they drop they drop Al they return fire uh you're locked in there with with them for so long you can't do much um specific because return fire did do a lot of damage to you if you shoted them um but I think that again this deserves a treatment like reactive barrier in the sense that this needs to be made more skill-based where the active time isn't as long and you pop it uh strategically so for instance you're going up against the haze yeah uh you pop reative you you pop return fire um and you have it long enough that it's going to obliterate a character like Hayes but it's not going to be a case where it's still on after the haze is dead and you can just walk away merrily no I I think that would be more on the money for how you should balance it cuz I remember as well like even mcguinness's that would use it to counter kind of like ra or yeah in a position where obviously all you want to do is nuke a character when they're immobilized or or when they're in a position where like you know you're an assassinate or whatever that's what it' be so annoying but I remember specifically a few in of meines that would build return fire style builds where always are metal skin return fire everything you just it's always off cool down yeah and you know when you're just there like I can't do anything she's just going to push our base we're going to have the game yeah yeah yeah and also on her specifically as well it was the fact that especially after the newer changes where like now if she targets you her turrets are prioritizing you and you can't attack her you're get melted by like three turrets and a mcginness and you're kind of there just thinking like what shoot I actually yeah it's really frustrating so that's the only ones where I I think it it needs to be changed a different way but yeah I guess what you were saying would make more sense to me where like just make it so it's a situational item of like oh you could use it once on like an offlane split but not every time homie yeah if you want to invest into having metal skin you cycle between them you buy into Soul rebirth you've been given the opportunity to farm in that lane for a long time and you deserve to be annoying as possible I respect the hustle mcguinness's I truly do um however even at 70% I think return fire is still strong because of the active time um so yeah I'm glad you agree with me on that one because I do I do strongly believe in that um again I am going to put the caveat in there that I doubt all Thea so course come at me without no whats up that's what I mean like again like we've said with all of these especially now where there's so many games all the time it's probably way easier to look at stuff have you know info where you're just like people are buying that and they're just winning infinitely more so this needs to change because of X yeah like again we just have ideas and put them out somewhere we don't have always all the best opinions it's just our opinion um the only thing I was going to say with that though in terms of having an opinion on active items you touched on it briefly where you were like if you're someone that knows how to use active items I think that actually kind of summarizes a lot of people where especially now like I've even seen so many players and we know people as well do the exact same thing where just they won't buy an active item ever yeah because it's an active item and that means you actively have to use it at the right time yep if there is a one bit of advice I would say like just go in sandbox use every single active item understand how they work find binds that are comfortable for you as well and start using them because it it's life-changing the amount of people I've seen on the Discord that are new as well the outright refused to buy an active item because it involves it being active you know uh it's funny because talking about keybinds is actually quite an important one because I think that you know for players who have been messing around looking around in in games like this before you know maybe x and z is not that difficult for you to press personally I don't use either those buttons I use Mouse 4 Mouse 5 so on the side of my mouse and I use V and C which is way more comfortable for me in general uh and I think that use having active items become comfortable is good because you don't want to get to a point where you've uh got V and C as an active items but you're afraid to use x and z so yeah like Jackie said if VNC is too difficult for you well rebind find something better for yourself um 100% yeah yeah because it's like um it's the same thing it used to happen a lot in Counter Strike where people wouldn't individually bind nades because it felt like oh I'm not going to remember to press F to flash or V to throw a smoke but like I've had you know individually Bound nades for years and then luckily of course because that's only really four bits of utility a flashbang a smoke a Molotov and a he I just used those same binds in deadlock so it's all all kind of transitioned over one to one but yeah just find find binds that work for you and learn how to use active items maybe we should even make a video on that just explaining what active item is situation for buying them um yeah because again maybe the data is skewed for return fire as well because the amount of players that I've seen Just sh the barrier um instead of just letting him go he's sort of obscene yeah it's sort of obscene so I think for for for that it's it's an interesting one it's more nuanced than just wow this is doing a lot of damage well it's doing a lot of damage for a reason is players aren comfortable with it and they have not seen it too much before anyway carrying on to the next one because we have yappa yapper on that one for quite a while so we will now shat it shenise um dying with SI and bullets Stacks will now call you to lose two stacks no matter who killed you good cuz it used to only return one and only if the victim that you killed killed you back um this is a very important change um the amount of builds and guides I've seen uh lited all over um the build section adding siphon bullets as a reasonable option now has skyrocketed the reason is because it's very strong um you get a lot of Health off the back of that uh and it means you don't really have to buy too many Vitality items and there wasn't that much to punish you especially in a game where you're rolling you are face rolling uh imagine a game like that where you die maybe one time and that's after uh be yeah that's before you bought siphon bullets you are just stacking Health uh and you could arguably buy four items in the weapon eight items in the weapon category after that because that kind of takes care of everything you just need imp uh bullet armor and imp spirit so yeah very very interesting I'm glad they changed this it did need a change it still act as that snowball item that we were discussing last time we were like I like that um but no longer as crazy no yeah a reasonable change there like it needed a bit of attention I think that's fine again it's why actually like this and the previous like micro mini update minor even there we go um were pretty nice in terms of overall en balance changes it wasn't anything too egregious but they kind of knew where to put things in line um if you missed it as well of course some of the people that are maybe coming back in and wondering what happened with IV they gave her a new alt so she a brand new alt yeah basically top bottom of it is the way it works you can either pick up a teammate fly them through the air drop them as a payload now this would silence it would do a ton of damage and it would put you into a position where basically you could instigate a fight off the back of dropping a teammate in if you didn't want to pick up a teammate she would gener yeah true like literally throw him in even like I've seen people using it to actually take seven really high up and use that well I like that yeah there's a lot that you can do with it actually makes Ivy like kind of fit her very supportive style of gameplay as well I think it's a better role dude actually speaking of that I think we had we had a discussion in one of our many late night discussions that right now it really only feels like lash is that supportive hero in terms of displacement um so I like that they've added a character where it's it's sort of on the other on the other side of things cuz lash puts the enemies in your camp and Ivy now puts your allies in their Camp so that's that's really gorgeous I like that I like that a lot they I think they figured out a good solution it's also I think any of those kind of what I've realized with deadlock is the longer it goes on it feels that you have to have two Heroes that do a similar thing but in different ways I know that sounds weird to explain but it is kind of like a ying and yang of at least this way you could take both of them or one team could get one each but to have the option you know what I mean of like where they do similar things but in different ways so then you can actually counter each other and especially when we get to like ranked meta or professional meta really far down the line I think that's going to have a lot of impact on how Deadlocks plays funnily enough you speaking about that has reminded me that you know I was thinking about this the other day in terms of if we get to ranked TAA uh I genuinely believe that lash will be such an important pick it will be unbelievable if not banned every game uh because no matter how much you Nerf the guy the alt is still one of the best displacement abilities in the game to set up additional combos no one does it quite like him um so I think we need maybe a little bit more of that or a change on it cuz I'm not I'm not sure how they'll tackle it but I think you're right in terms of um having Ivy there but I don't want to get into a situation where it's a case of every game at the top level has a IV and a lash for that that exact reason um I don't know how things will unfold but we'll see I think with that it comes down to a when we did these podcasts a little while ago we were both like I don't know if they'll really add that many more Heroes now we've already had two in a short space of time if we end up getting the full roster of potential characters that were supposed to be in neon Prime that you can still access through the console even only you know six more let's say or five more yeah we would have enough where technically you can have hero vetos and bands and still have an adequate pool of Heroes for everyone to to make picks yeah so then I think we get more into like you know maybe a captain's draft DOTA style system and it it wouldn't be the same because you'd have some players that maybe Excel on these six specific Heroes so even though the meta says you should have a A Lash or a Dynamo they would just get outright Bann because maybe someone's just crazy good on whoever you know what I mean so I think as long as we kind of go the way it looks like we're going I don't think that would be too much of an issue where I think because deadlock is so heavily dependent on like if you are really good at movement or if you are really good at skill shots or shooting you have different characters you can pick for that rather than more you know the the basics of a MOBA that translates from hero to Hero feels like this game is a little bit more like some people are just sick at certain things and that's why they will be good at certain things yeah which is kind of the direction that you want to take a little bit and I quite like that I I think your explanation is kind of good there um because what was discussion we were having in the sense of I like that they brought it down to three because it does feel like a game where you need to specialize a little bit yeah right we were saying like you need I don't know if that was on the podcast or when it was but we were saying basically like the idea that you can just pick free Heroes rather than four and everyone can learn free Heroes like everyone can 100% learn three of them that they're confident and comfortable with out of the pool of Heroes and then you can play them to a really high level we were saying like that's the whole point is it feels like each update Deadlock's getting closer and closer to being a game that is about being really skillful and that skill is what will win you games in unison with teamwork but in individually it feels like it has a lot more skill expression than other mobas in terms of the way you move the way you shoot the way you Time stuff you know it's yeah it's definitely going that way yeah which is again where you want the game to go to I I genuinely am very hopeful the future uh of Deadlock and I think that you know a lot of the people I've been here talked a lot of Esports people they're all um chatting about you know my favorite thing I heard whil I was here jockie go on I heard a guy um at the end of the line in terms of PC's go yeah you want to let your Hayes um get all the last hits because uh she's your carry I was like wrong game yeah it's not even not even close I'm not how the system works yeah um so that that really annoyed me actually um actually it would have annoyed me in the past it actually just made me chuckle them I was like yeah I think I've changed B I'm more like these guys enjoying deadlock over there that way it feels that way I like I'm the same dude I see people say stuff where it's like that's not quite how that works but um you're enjoying the game you feel so weird like you don't want to come in and just be like actually we woo it's me the fun police you're wrong that's not how it works but you just let people learn for themselves obviously we did but like it is funny now when you see people say stuff and you're like by the way homie like if you're in lane together it's shared you know what I mean you ain't got to worry um if anything actually yeah so that's that's funny but anyway the whole um tangent for this about about Ivy and why her new o is kind of cool and and all that stuff came back to the fact that they've again tweaked it so they tweaked it a little bit in that micro patch and I played around with it and saw what change basically they just made it so you have to have tier three for the drop with either a teammate or the bomb that she spawns to stun in the base so was kind of like one of the things and they switched up a little bit how it works and timing on it a little bit here it got one change so now airdrop silences the Ally that's being carried until they're released of course you can see why that would be so overpowered before the change if you're thinking about it because you could obviously just carry them around for the duration of that Al and it's pretty long by the way like I stays in the air for quite a long period of time I can't remember how long it actually is it's longer than like 20 seconds if I memory it's quite a while I was watching um I was actually teaching godspeed how to player um in the just on the PCS um and I was like I actually don't know too much about our just yet I'm still testing it um and i' shown I was actually showing him Devon's build uh The Fat Farm iy just maxing kutub bomb um which I really enjoy it's one of my favorite builds in the game um especially Pub stomping uh but he called me across and he was like how do I cancel the old how do I cancel the old because there's no longer that button anymore which is drop down uh where you like Dash forward and finish the O uh I think it's just space now though it literally just takes you out of it um but but otherwise I just went over and he was just in the air he was like I couldn't get out of it just to fly around I'm pretty sure by I don't know if people know this I don't know if they've taken it out yeah I'd have to double check but from my memory as far as as it works with movement if you double tap control and you're in air it uses one stamina to just plummet you down to the ground I figured that out any way early in the game accidentally because me and you crouch crouch B Us in the spawn yeah yeah yeah yeah so I I I I was Crouch Bo on the zipline and I just o myself onto the floor so that like that should it's still in the game then which is good yeah CU like I don't play that many Heroes where it's like that useful as much anymore but it is something to be aware of hey game mate we'll make the guide about actives we'll show off some Advanced movement stff I don't think many people know about that I've never really seen anyone discuss the fact you can use one stamina to fast drop yeah do you know why it's good though for for some Heroes so for instance I give you an example right off the top of my head in the sense of um pocket pre Majestic leap um you can come off the zip line and glide using barrage uh into his Al right but you all just before you double tap uh control so you Plum it to the ground on top of them uh and then as you hit the ground the all pops yeah it's very very interesting stuff there so you can do a lot of characters even seven you get stuck in the air up high you can pum it back down again using control down yeah really really cool little things like that that I don't think a lot of people have been put on to I'm glad you brought it up I'm glad you brought up CU I realized that we've never discussed it because I think both of us found out but again there's a lot of stuff that we've found over the months of playing that people don't really talk about yeah we we'll go into more detail on some of this there's a whole load of like weird stuff that we've picked up in terms of knowledge but all right if you didn't know that you watching at home you I am just food sorry no that's all right bro it's it's fine we we always do long podcasts you're allowed to eat um been he's for me on the podcast no food I know he's literally he's finished work to be fair it's quite cute it's like what we did that day when we we got home I think it was like the longest day of broadcast we did as well we doing like extra content interviews everything we rushed back to the hotel set up the um the ironing board and did the first one of these so it is quite cute it's um yeah it's again going going back to the basics I it's been pretty calm for me I'm going to be honest casting blast been super sick I'm doing like one two best of Threes a day the quality of Cs is good it's pretty calm dude I'm I'm having a great time so oh I'm glad I'm so I'm so happy for you bro that sounds great I'm I'm in my I'm in my hotel room with my laptop that by the way it wouldn't turn on um wouldn't turn on no I don't to tell you about this so my laptop killed itself uh on the day I got here I opened it up uh to a little deadlock and the monitor just won't turn on so I was I was stressing out Mega but the annoying thing was is that the the logo would come up and then like the the noise not getting into windows it's like crashing yeah so Windows broke so I went to uh EFG I said guys do you have anyone that could maybe fix can you have help you have a help and they were like yeah we'll get someone out tomorrow U you bring it in uh at this point I'm just I've been spamming on on the laptop uh I came back upstairs I turned the laptop on it's worked this is at like 3:00 a.m. after I've done all the work of prep on PCS downstairs and it was so annoying for me that it just decided that it want to work now so we were lucky we were lucky that I'm here um thisp probably it probably did just overheat and then like get stuck in a boot loop or some something or yeah I don't know dude sometimes like I've had it before with laptops or PCS even going to landan with teammates in the past where you just have to tell them like unplug it all turn it off yeah let it chill out for like 2 three hours that's what I did yeah plug it back in and then for some reason it works I don't know if it's like to do with like electrostatic or whatever it is or little gremlins and they get bored and they leave but sometimes you just leave it off for a bit it fixes itself oh it's quite nice actually sleeping I think I you gone I think that what happened one sec oh I've got a phone call give me a second you've got a phone call he's being rung by the hotel excuse me sir are you talking about deadlock it's Gabe n on the blower Furious he's been rumbled and they've sent the valve secret police R deal with him you know he's probably doing the phone voice right now as well oh sorry my bad classic it's fine we'll we'll just do a transition we'll come back when blank's back yeah I did like a hand motion so I'll do another hand motion and we're back back that was quick yeah fast um yeah s about that I like I said I was ordering some food um they weren't happy with the order I put in so I had to change it a little we we were thinking maybe you you'd been rumbled by like you know either the hotel staff have heard you talking about deadlock or yeah they were just like why is so [ __ ] loud EXA Gabe on the blower you know he's like oh You' been you've been talking you've been I'm at I'm right at the end of the hall um so I was I was actually worried it was um that I'd been too loud yeah and someone that someone was coming around dragg me down the list throw me out into the streets yeah that's it m you'd have been done you'd have been done kicked out been nightmare what would I done I wouldn't been able to play deadlock that would have been worse no I would have broke your laptop again again just snap it up stop it have that that's what you get sunshot you all thrown off into the streets yeah where were we anyway um we just spoke about Ivy not being able to have you cast abilities while she been carried so it effectively what I'm saying is you are now silenced when Ivy is carrying you on Ivy Airways I like that sparked like a literal monster conversation of R matter we went off all because of Ivy yeah that was awesome I like that yeah that was cool so that's that's what's changed there fair play makes sense why um shiv blood letting incoming damage defer has been reduced from 40% to 35% so 5% difference on his blood letting incoming damage to third reduction I think that we've talked about this extensively already um in previous um dead airs but what I will say is I we'll just go over it really quickly is that the damage def third was kind of strong uh and it got to the point where you couldn't really take him out in lane cuz he was constantly deferring that damage there was a lot of times where you would get him so low you felt like you could kill him he would heal all that damage back and could go for pretty heavy Dives uh to the point where you know because he defer that damage he can stay in the fight a lot longer than you a lot of those fights are won just by the time game as well mhm oh mate I remember especially like launch shiv before we got that big old list of changes that came in following it he he like just felt like he couldn't die literally felt like you could not die and then you would just you just throw your knives and it'd be like right well I'm going to go kill that guy right now you know when you're there were like five it was crazy I remember buling a Kelvin in Lane so hard so hard he couldn't handle it just couldn't handle the knives to the face he'd get you down to one HP and you're like oh you going to dive me on the tower bam you're dead I've healed yeah you've done less damage than you expected to um so it's quite good right click to the face that that is still awesome I still love it I've been try so it was funny on those games where I was Pub stomping umh technically I smurfed please don't tell Papa game um I was forced into it I was coerced into it they wouldn't let me leave I told I would never do it again I'm that as a coach only now um but I was tempted to play shiv I didn't play shiv Gabe because I thought it would be too mean Too aggro playing the shiv yeah yeah so I played yam which I thought was somewhat counterable I was wrong very wrong so wrong no people can't have the Amur at times mate especially newer players I think it does just freak them out I got the refresher freaked them out even more they were like what he's again what's going on you Terror you Terror I know I mean I mean I mean I'm sorry awful I'm Sor I could I couldn't help myself I couldn't help myself so that's rough next one was fix shotgun Heroes apply Builder effects like toxic bullets instantly on ricocheted enemies now some GES are out there I'm sure has figured this out because there's no way that an interaction like that comes along naturally consistently someone's been like you buy toxic bullets then you buy Ricochet specifically on a shotgun character and it goes crazy so I'm glad that that got changed there is a lot of these changes yeah it's interesting because these are very specific use cases where valve with clearly figured out something is interacting unintentionally cuz that like you read that and then you're thinking okay well yeah I mean if we take into effect like Abram's gun is a revolver but it works like a shotgun right like it fires out a scatter of I think what maybe five to six bullets eight bullets total there you go eight bullets um I don't I'm such a geek dude like I couldn't remember I knew it was quite a lot but like it's the same obviously then pocket also the six barrels um yeah and I imagine those are you're classing as shotguns anything that scatter shots multiple projectiles but obviously with those Heroes especially Abrams like when he got his huge list of Chang is back in maybe June now at this point when he got that whole list of Buffs we found out that obviously it's applying damage per bullet per stack rather than bullet being the overall one shot of the gun each individual bullet is a bullet um so yeah I would imagine is probably like ridiculously goes hard when that then working with damage effects Ricochet and also putting a DOT on someone yeah that's mad but anyway don't have to worry about it it's been fixed it has been fixed I'm worried I'm wrong now because I'm I'm trying to think whether it was if it was plus six web damage per bullet or if it was plus eight I believe it was plus six on ABS on Abrams yeah hang on pull it yeah pull it up uh right I need to shoot a ledge that's far enough away one two three four five six seven eight think eight and then on his on his TI 1 two three four five six seven eight yep it's yeah okay good success now I believe it's plus six per bullet on the believe it's tier three of his two am I correct plus 5.5 weapon damage for eight seconds was close close but not but not accurate I've got I've got to get these known I've got to get these known talking about get those down down for our cost this is what I'm saying we got to get down for the cast so plus plus 5.5 so I'm not going to do that kind of mass but 68 is ooh 48 I believe yeah 48 in the percentage right that's the crazy thing is obviously it's not just 5.5 yeah it's 5.5 time 8 and that's weapon damage which is a lot thing goes crazy like that's ridiculous them numbers be large yeah big big boys um so that was an interesting one glad that's changed now we did a little bit of um deadlock quiz if you join along you got it all right well done you well done you um if you got it wrong unfortunate you watch the vids they're coming out soon um parrying a guardian now causes to stop trying to repeatedly melee and get parried over and over instead caused the boss start uh shooting shortly thereafter interesting they call it a boss um but this is a very specific change made for more of the High ELO games if you ever saw some fellow in your match walk up to the guardian and start parrying being like why you're doing that it doesn't actually stun the garden anymore it still acted as a stun um you were essentially stun locking uh the guardian into an animation where it wouldn't be attacking any of the Troopers so this is technically another buff to Guardians very Niche buff where it wouldn't come too through too often but they are just making it so there is less and less cases where you can take a guardian down really early in the game yeah it's more it's a bug fix to a previous change that now actually works the way it's supposed to that's a cheese that's definitely a cheese and you had people that were still just going no you can still still just Parry him still stun them because obviously before you could physically stun them but then they removed that but like you say the animation would kind of bug into it where it didn't know what to do I guess it like freak out the AI but now obviously it makes way more sense that yes it will just shoot as quick as it can following it being parried which is is probably for the best and also if you are someone out there that doesn't know at all about that and has just read that in the notes for the first time depending on when you started playing you can Parry them um I suppose that's one of the biggest things about deadlock compared to maybe other MERS if you've got players that are coming over from a mobile rather than an FPS or something yeah um Towers in those games obviously like from playing doter a lot in the past it's a stationary object whereas in deadlock the towers are effectively NPCs you know it's kind of like it is a big troop which I guess is why they're saying boss here because it isn't you know what I mean it isn't a stationary thing you just destroy it fights back in a a literal sense of actually being an NPC because obviously you can use abilities on them as well I don't think you can I don't think you can use abilities and stuff in like League or doter on Towers I don't think that's like a thing uh you'd have to fact I know a lot about deadlock cation needed that's what I mean like I hav't i' played a lot of DOTA but it's all like ability draft and Power Defense mod so I can't remember hitting Mystic shots on ezrael on the tower maybe but again been a long long time since I've played League can you use abilities on Towers uh DOTA to um most abilities don't do anything but there are some exemptions without real logic to it oh there you go so kind of similar approach but just on a larger scale here for for deadlock which is cool which is cool um again what I will say is that if you didn't know about this before this is still a good idea to do um because getting that Parry off on the guardian does save you some time where the guardian is still not attacking your Troopers but it's less of a thing where you can cheese the guarden into doing nothing and taking it down that that way um you typically would need two members for this to work though um again I don't need to go into the details because it's fixed now but you take one person to Parry the guardian and then the other with probably a faster firing mag like an ivy would be the one taking the guardian down so for instance this is still still now a useful tactic for you in your games and can be used solo you walk up to the guardian you parry it that is valuable time while your Troopers are still attacking the tower um ATT in the guardian sorry so very very useful little bit of tech that you can utilize in your games there you go now you know uh factor that in because obviously there's a a few misconceptions with with guardians and what you can do around them with parrying and stuff I've seen recently so that's a good one to have to it down but that's it for both of the little updates now you've got clued in with those if you were waiting for dead air to go over them or you didn't really fancy reading the patch notes now you know what's happening with that yeah all in all again I think that's pretty reasonable there was nothing egregious in there I mean return f is the only one that we're thinking maybe could have been done a bit differently everything else seems pretty cool seems like Vala figuring out some weird weird stuff as well in terms of like how certain abilities are interacting so that's that's pretty good for my money the the only other thing I was really going to suggest we have a quick look at today before we start to wrap things up mhm um I I was having a little bit of a play around now obviously you've unreleased heroes got how many Heroes have we got here 1 2 3 4 5 six 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 14 Heroes oh that are currently accessible through the console I know I threw you off did yeah I thought it was in a flash card moment sorry because obviously we were talking about how food arrived here go grab him um yeah cuz obviously we were talking about how valve went from kind of having the same hero pool to adding in two heroes in a pretty short space of time to now where I'm thinking out of the heroes that exist through the console much like viscus did and also shiv did as well where viscus just had his old changed funnily enough actually I think viscus had his old changed shiv had his old changed and shiv had his two changed I think viscus also had his one changed but other than that they were just added straight in from from what we could access obviously in the console before their official addition to the game so I was kind of wondering out of out of the heroes we have that you can currently pull up who else might go in um and if you've not me mucked around with them there is a few interesting ones that are in there whilst blank pays for his food and gets that covered gets himself sorted out we'll give him a sec to make it back over hello mate hello I'm grabbed your bits yeah that's all good I did yeah had a little pay no yeah I heard the little beep well done ohar me yeah no I was just saying like obviously out of the heroes that are accessible through the console right yeah these are the ones that we can still access that aren't in yet um and for shiv and viscus it was one or two ability changes and an old change and then they were added in and boom like they they work in the same way so in deadlock right now you the a playable character called bomber now his kit in terms of can do bomber not Mighty boo me monkey Stoke use your monkey Stoke he's basically got nothing um literally nothing um in terms of yeah what he does outside of the fact he can stick a bomb to himself and use that to like Rocket Jump that's the only ability that basically Works they were just testing an idea there I think that's all that was is they were testing an idea um the next one is interesting it's a heroical Cadence now I'm pretty sure turn my volume on for a sec I'm pretty sure her all is the turret music from Portal hang on oh it's actually yeah it is okay no no no the have you ever heard the turret song in Portal 2 all the turrets sing like an opera um I think I know what you're talking about okay yeah but her old is called cresendo obviously that's like you know the big finish of a of a musical number I believe yeah and that's basically I I think it applies in an area around her because it gives like an AOE when she casts it um but she sings a little bit of the Portal Turret song and that would reduce her bullet damage it would increase damage and and also increase debuff durations to anyone that's that's near her everything she has is basically based on like singing and teleporting and and stuff like that yeah um but yeah all all of her abilities use portal 2 turret music apart from a one there's like a weird and people hypothesize that it's a neon Prime leftover song That Wasn't used but it's like a weird bit of song but she's kind of cool I don't really know how she's going to translate if was put into the game um there's a few others that are like that some of them are way more finished some of them aren't so I I was basically looking at this in the sense of based off of what we have here who we think is is going to come into the game next and I would say from from messing around with all of them I think it's it's most likely that we get changes made to Calico which used to be known as Nano effectively the way she works is she like puts down these cat towers that shoot yeah and she has like a black hat on her shoulder it's like the model's cool the way she works is kind of cool it's all really interesting I think her and holiday who holiday we spoke about a lot like she's really interesting I think like for me she's one of the ones that seems like she has a lot more to her in terms of being pretty finished but a cool gameplay idea where she throws out these um these barrels yeah her in-game name is is Astro but basically the way it works is she has a lasso that she can put over you drags you around and then she puts down barrels and she also puts down bounce pads which is it's hilarious to think about as well because obviously the bounce pad model that she had is the bounce pad model we now just have in the game yeah it was from her kit and then they went ahead and used it yeah and she she gets launched through the air and then blows up but I'm pretty sure dude her her animations look like they've changed since the last time I've played her and there's bit more to it so I feel like she's getting secretly polished yeah um but yeah she's sick like her whole thing is basically she's like techies from DOTA in the way that she's just this really annoying character that uses bombs and Mobility to screw you over and I I think she would be dope but yeah overall it was just a quick look at what's to come um we can go into these in more detail in another episode one day because I did actually have a little surprise people at some point that queue up um obviously lamarite who's contributed a lot to like random bits that we we spoke about or gone into or just in general to the deadlock Community right that guy's put like so much hour he's gold he's gold yeah um he wants to come on we've been chatting he he's like super Keen to and we we discussed some of the stuff he wanted to go through we've got a whole load of ideas for you know neon Prime stuff upcoming stuff modding stuff so just as a little like pre-announcement we're going to do another guest episode and we we're going to try and get lamarite on I think that would be sick I said to him that obviously once you're back we should arrange that cuz I think it' be cool to just hypothesize on like what's to come obiously we've seen a lot of this stuff and I was digging around in the console from like day one but I don't know how many people outside of that know the source console as well or or dig into this yeah if you're not in the deadlock deadlock modern Community you don't really get to see a lot of this stuff but the amount of work that goes on in there like there is some absolutely bright Minds in that community that do some stuff that I don't even understand however they do show off some very cool things over on that side uh and I've had a pleasure of being a to look at a few of them I'm sure there's lots of things I haven't seen so I'm really actually very excited for Lam right to come on the show he can show me how to change my skin on Mr 7even hopefully or be a blue Bop which would be awesome look some my favorite things to happen so maybe maybe we can get tit out to be blue Bop in game that would be cool I'd like that um but yeah awesome I'm so glad I'm so happy that's so nice I thought you'd like that one yeah I I was hooking that up so I thought this would be a cool way to kind of tease that that's something we're going to do I don't know if that'll be next week's episode or whenever it is maybe we just do it as a little in the middle of the week extra dead air special you know a shorter episode where we just discuss stuff with over what's coming up um so that's that's something for the future guys to be excited about again though for the present uh I think key notes to hit on the end of this one just thanks so much for everyone that's new again we've gone up 100% from last time actually a thousand isn't it or whatever the equivalent would be 100 sub St now near 2000 it's mad um so just thank you all thanks again to valve as well of course for for sharing our stuff to the community and giving everyone an opportunity to to see the stuff that we've been making back yeah absolutely again um I'm glad they do share the patch not stuff because more than anything is helpful is useful for the more uh visually orientated uh people amongst us like myself um so that's nice but yeah it's it's been really cool and I I think that you know as much as we thank valve um I think that it's it's very important that we talk to you you behind the computer screen um or wherever else you're watching that we thank you guys because without you there's no one to click on the video there's no one to watch the video and we're glad that you are just as big Geeks as we are about deadlock and you also enjoy this type of content but yeah mods come uh shortly soon when I'm back from Saudi hopefully Jackie already been cooking up some special recipes in the kitchen you can tell I'm hungry I'm talking about food deadlock goes public again have they just released an update now there's no way Hang on we're lifting the rules for public conversation to allow things like streaming Community websites and discussion y we talk about the game we about the game it's just happened okay all right there you go everyone deadlock is now publicly talk about themy do you want a tweet let's do a tweet okay you can make we can make the YouTube we can make the YouTube open we're going public guys going public right now we're going public you saw it here on 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