Natasha Lyonne | Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

welcome welcome welcome to armchair expert I'm Dan Shepard I'm joined by Mrs Mouse Hello hello long torso hello teeny torso teeny tors TT great guest on today yeah what a voice iconic I love her voice yeah it's so good Natasha Leon Natasha Leon is an actor a writer a director and a producer she of course wrote in is starring in and I don't know probably does have directs probably I don't know everything everything Russian do Orange is the New Black I fell in love with her in slums of Beverly Hills that got me she's been working since she was so small children she has a new series out now that is fantastic with our favorite currently writer director Ryan Johnson ding ding ding Knives Out ding dingding Glass Onion ding ding ding brick looper looper she is the star of a show that Ryan Johnson adds His Brilliant Touch Too called Poker Face on peacock it's so good I'm so excited for her that she has this show it's tremendous so please enjoy Natasha [Music] Leon I like your outfit a lot I'm probably older than you I'm doing the least to get the most In This Moment it's cute thank you the least to get the most and so you're betting heavily on the socks and by the way similarly my socks are the attention grabber here yeah I'm going to project a bit yes please do we relished in our Outcast this right as we were younger and we want to keep it going but we also want to be aware of that it's a bad look at a certain age like come on you're way too old to be trying to do this does that cross your mind uh L so I think you're more traditional than I am oh tell me well first of all I went to your old house yes cuz there I was thinking that we were on our way to the haunted hay ride so I was like oh I've been here I'll just go to the haunted hay ride location where only Dax knows how to back out into [ __ ] moving traffic MH that was honestly one of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my life you did a back out that was so profound and you made it look so easy everless we only know each other topically let's be honest I know and this is what's so funny we've hung out we spent an entire evening together in a very heightened situation haunted hay ride haunted hay ride double date oh is that making sense I thought you were talking about the hay ride your hay ride I was like I don't remember meeting Natasha at that own very confusing I have since we went on that I've started my own hay ride in this neighborhood since then yes was that the moment that you were like I think it was I'm like I yes I have trailers I can get hay why aren't I hosting this de where are you from Detroit okay are you surprised by that or does it make sense I'm sort of delighted okay oh God I don't picture Detroit is a place with a ton of hay but what do I know okay so right where the suburbs turn from suburbs to hillbilly cornfield yeah why don't you do that in half yeah just give us a second everybody calm down [ __ ] read the room Rob Natasha is like barely easing into the pool baby I'm just waking up you know last night I presented at the critic's choice your favorite award show oh God can't you can't keep me away from there and but then by this morning being that I'm high functioning low functioning you know I still live my life like a scumbag but I have a lot of responsibilities so you know I woke up and all I've done so far is a t of writing and then I threw on these little Gucci by Adidas slippers and Blazer and got in the car and went to your old house and now here we are so yeah I'm not ready for all this just right right and I know that I'm I'm still inside but I have already listened to Kendrick Lamar at Great length so I'm not fully participating in my day yet and I'm sort of seeing this is a day off with an interlude I think you're going to find that this is both restorative okay you're going to leave feeling replenished right and bullish about your future oh thank God we're going to have Fellowship uhhuh we're going to connect okay you're going to teach me something I'm going to accidentally teach you something Monica's going to teach us both something Monica bring it okay I want to rewind cuz we're blasting through yeah too many things the hayride when I made the departure from the driveway are you friends with Leslie Arin I feel like you would have to be yes so the other person which is fantastic that's also been impressed about my driving and vocal about it is Leslie that makes sense so what I'm putting together is that since so few people in New York Drive when you get around someone that can really whip that [ __ ] in and out of spot it's hot y that [ __ ] so [ __ ] tight let me tell you something cuz Leslie still brings it up on the regular honestly I just want you to know I know you have a body of work I think of you as a guy that can back out into that moving traffic I would far prefer that yeah and I'm like oh yeah I'll go to dax's house because of that move he did he thinks that's why people like him and you just confirmed that so uhoh I'll tell you another thing it made me think oh he must be a good father wow because if you were my dad and it made me think oh this is a good husband because if you were the father of my children I would be like Daddy's got it it's one of my favorite thing about straight men I know everybody always thinks I'm gay and you know I get around everything's on the table in the right context I mean who cares isn't it 2023 I thought all that was over but I would just say that there are things I really enjoy about straight men and one of the things is just I'm remember Fred and I were in the back seat and I was like oh this is a big move and I thought this is an out of towerer move this is somebody who's had a whole life before they got out to Showbiz they don't teach you how to drive like that in Showbiz okay great that's really true I'm so happy cuz most of my efforts in life are aimed at getting that singular reaction I got from you and I can tell Natasha it's only come like twice in a decade oh and it's just me and Leslie yes it's really rewardless I'm still performing for my neighbors in Mich again but they're not here no one's watching I'm a tree falling in the forest all the time but you saw it and you appreciate it and then ultimate compliment you'd feel safe if I were the father of your brood boom I that's all I'm looking for at this point yeah and it was also I was like oh I see he sort of is in recovery ultimately on some level I think that's what street smarts are right like you're sort of assessing a person's entire personhood off of like a quick s snipp and that's how you're saying can I go into this tenement alley whatever am I going to come out or not and not everybody looks like what they see it's usually obviously the inverse you know the people you have to be suspicious of are yeah the dude who's coming up glad handing you on the corner probably be careful it's the dude who doesn't really want to be bothered by you who he kind of want help from and more than that different people have different skills and gifts so you're like oh this is a getaway man oh my God like I don't know that I got to go this is too many compliments I don't I there are certain things in that moment I thought I wouldn't trust this man with my virginity you know the the list the list was long no you are he is a very safe presence but there were other things you said that I was like oh the downside is I thought oh maybe he thinks he's an alpha or something in other words it comes with like I might get in a screaming match with somebody somewhere yeah or more that while you might be good in a sort of survivalist situation you might also get a fight with the wrong person zombie leader on the other side think you are being cute yeah and next thing you know now we're all dunzo they have powers that you can't match and that's okay who has powers I can't match zomes okay okay see uhoh see it's already half yeah that's right but so you know what I mean everything is is many you know this assets and defects and back again yes so listen Natasha you're Bullseye me but 18 years in the program Okay so I can get out of those sticky situations that you'd be right to be nervous I find myself in over the years I've learned how to navigate out of them when I start sheriffing the highway or the arterial roads here in Los felus I then force myself habitually to stare at someone's license plate and say the numbers out loud interesting so I'm distracted from that I have like some tools in place so I don't know why I'm pitching myself to be the father for children ship already sailed but I swear to God I think something's happened in honestly the last six months where men are constantly trying to tell me they should be the father of my children really it's super weird yeah I think it must be like biological or something they might be feeling your fertility arguably that should be on the way but it seems to be on the rise I think maybe I have like a delayed clock or something that's exciting you look super fertile to me as I sit here yeah I look at you right now and I think two pumps and out and this girl's pregnant Snee around her my seat is I think for some reason I may I'm just like it's probably just that they see me as like oh like a wacky redhead who now is ready to settle they think they think they can finally settle me which you know Monica they can't and of course not so I think they're starting to be like we could get married ha and like I could put a baby in you haahha and I'm like oh this is interesting I feel like I'm clearly saying honey this is a one night stand baby yeah right and they just won't hear me that's why they won't hear me that's very you know that you know that they won't hear me I got my phone is blowing the [ __ ] up we're intrinsically attracted to what we can't have so if you immediately put out on the table that this is a one night and now I want marriage and a commitment if you wanted a marriage in commitment I want to get the [ __ ] out of there it's funny though why are we like that it's a real problem but you've had long-term you've had multiple long-term relationships yeah yeah I guess historically I guess I've been something of uh a monogamist but now as time runs out yeah I'm how old are you I'm 43 now okay so very young you think so yeah I don't know it sort of depends on if they you know come up with any sort of Life Extension stuff we were just talking about this yeah I just read a very promising article in National Geographic it looks like we're going to be living to 150 to 200 you and I yeah well so that's mostly what I spend my time reading obviously but you know you're talking to the well hold on I'll the Russian doll over here so you know that's obviously my main areas of Interest physics and futurism oh okay great yes dear no we're in too many places I got to tie up a couple knots okay we hung out socially we don't know each other other than I know that you are sober or we sober or some kind of in recovery situation that always FASTT tracks me to like somebody okay does it FASTT track you first of all I always think it's weird to talk about in any sort of public way I think it's interesting obviously that people do obviously I've done Mark Marin who's so lovely and everything and of course in a situation like mine she's a public junkie so just by virtue of me suddenly being high functioning and doing all these things it sends a very clear message that it's sort of a life that's been turned around and I do do a lot of things we all do in order to keep that but I I do have sort of a mixed bag about being sort of a public figure talking about those things in detail only because it's meant to be a private thing in a weird way I hope that my life is sort of the evidence of that I guess I always try to speak around it right like obviously Russian all season one is doing the same things over and over again expecting different results season 2 is much more almost like adult children of Alcoholics in other words now you've cleaned up your life and and sort of what they talk about of you're driving 100 miles an hour and you're throwing things in the backseat and you slam on the brakes and now you're clean and it all comes slamming forward that becomes the real work as you know as somebody with Decades of time here it's now what are you going to do about it I think I go out of my way to be a little bit securious and probably more exentric than I actually am in an effort to sort of create a sense of sort of subterfuge I don't want to ever be the reason that somebody would or would not think that it's a good idea or bad idea for them to do something there are aspects of Fame that are sort of charming how nice that we're talented we're in the Arts and that we get to know each other and that we have a community is a beautiful thing Janelle Monet speech last night at the critics is a [ __ ] thing of beauty being a misfitting and an outsider and sort of you know owning yourself in in all areas kind of like having Integrity to that is something I identify with greatly my inner child [ __ ] loves her inner child and wants to hang out without knowing her well at least that's what it seems like can I just ask those specifically cu the common reservations is about talking about being either sober or specifically in a 12-step program are a within the rules of the 12-step program you're supposed to remain anonymous at the level of television and press the other one is I'm going to appoint myself spokesperson for this and then when I fail it'll look like the thing I was preaching about doesn't work which is potentially the case I was in when I relapse like okay this thing he loves and talks about all the time now he's relapsed so maybe it doesn't work but I'm just in front of it saying like no it didn't stop working I stopped working the thing and then I relapsed that's kind of how that worked when did you relap two and a half years ago was it fun was it fun that's a great question okay my thing was cocaine and alcohol not shocked yeah you're right so [ __ ] spit his dip she was not shocked to discover that homie enjoyed a little bit of cocaine homie enjoyed those are the fun ones right yes so as you know catic and alcoholics there's like a certain degree of unmanageability that just kind of built into it and I knew what that looked like Opus was very confusing that wasn't my thing I had a bunch of surgeries I was on them seemingly with reason and then I was like okay this is totally manageable this thing and now I'm going to take it on my own and go down this road what kind like fentanyl or vikin oxies and then the effort put into making sure they didn't have fentanyl in them do you see the latest one the [ __ ] crocodile zombie one what's this it's harsh it's almost like a tranquilizer but it's not kind of me there's something in it that I guess is mixing with fentanyl or whatever the [ __ ] they're cutting it with and then it's a lot of amputations are happening like sort of creating a lot of rotting what's so heavy is there's so much empathy I have in all directions of this stuff people just need like relief from their minds and then the deeper in you are you're buying into the lie that you're going to get the relief but then as you're [ __ ] up your life it's getting darker and darker so you're really just having an inner monologue that's like so you think you have negative self-talking self- criticizing mind that's out to to get me when you're clean until you are in a state of actually high and [ __ ] up your life and then there's just no way out no matter how high you get I had a friend that used to be like oh if people can't get high anymore they should just do more drugs but as somebody who knows firsthand it's like a point comes with there's not enough I mean you're just like sort of passed out and waking up and trying to score anyway so it's a long way of saying that when I see something like flesh eating [ __ ] who knows what I don't see it as something that's like so far away I couldn't even imagine what's wrong with these people it's just when you're out there anything will do I can't speak for anyone else but I know me personally my life is always as a human me I'm always ascending or descending there's no stopped inertia there's no me at like homeostasis that's just kind of existing so yeah the fleshing bacteria you're just on a path and the path's just getting lower and lower and lower God knows where it ends up but to your point the worst moment is while I'm doing all the stuff and I have the original feeling still I mean it's so sad thinking of you in a relap situation it's like you have this beautiful life you know you're this great person and you spend a life in a recovery sort of state and I'm super vocal about it cuz I was like okay Preston film written in 1938 I can understand the intention of the claim originally and that's no longer the thing it's not like you find out someone's recover an alcoholic and banish them from society a that's gone B they were totally afraid that all the alcoholics in town would show up at your sure if you broke your anonymity like they had other intentions just like certain Constitutional Amendments had intentions I can see what the spirit of these were I'm super vocal that I don't represent it I often don't work it correctly it's no statement of its Effectiveness whether I'm in or out like I just try to be as honest about it as but it's such an enormous part of my life it would be impossible for me to be talking for six hours a week on this thing in keeping that behind some door it's Preposterous I would feel so fraudulent to not acknowledge how daily and hourly present it is in my life recovery and then coming off of that was its own thing to have to admit just to think of you getting that moment of relief like that [ __ ] oxy Dax being like ah this is who I am that's right remembering remembering who I was and just being like I'm going to walk around I'm going to Tinker we're going to get stuff done we have ideas but I'm just a little bit took the edge off of thinking this whole thing is so real I'm back in the memory that life is just an illusion and here we are to play and then the idea that some weeks later this other thing hit is just so heavy St well okay yes of the many things I didn't want to bring into the equation when I'm pursuing this relapse is there's the initial like just no one can know and that becomes the objective and what I'm going to measure the success of this experiment by if no one knows no one in my family no one at work no one nowhere no knows then things are groovy right refusing to even ask the question how will I feel as the one person who knows I left that part out of the equation it just became about being able to be secret about it and ignoring the fact that I will be having all the feelings that come with ultimately being addicted to something how did you get out I was trying to quit I was at such a level where I was like oh my God I'm [ __ ] I'm going to have a full-on detox how much were you doing by 2:00 p.m. I was doing 830s sometimes more sometimes less maybe 12 I had to shut it down by 2 or I couldn't sleep so then I started taking Edibles so that I could sleep and just daily I'm needing more I'm like I got to step down I have X amount to step down I made a chart I'm going to somehow Land This Plane by day three I've already broken the step down program I'm starting to detox visibly I'm faking that I'm having my stic arthritis is flared up that's why I'm so physically [ __ ] and then I'm upholding this livee for a few days and then monok and I were driving back from an interview where I was like barely holding it together sweating bullets and then in the car I started crying and told Monica this is what's happening yeah and then immediately told Kristen how old are you I just turned 48 two weeks ago how old are you Monica 35 wow yeah and zero experience with an addict prior prior yeah yeah yeah they're weird huh oh I love addicts oh they're great I do too yeah they're great you know all you're trying to do is be like Hey listen we live and we die right that's a constant riddle but you want me to go about having this entire life and pretending I'm forgetting that at all times to me it's the most normal response in the world they actually created a sort of a third option do you know what I mean right right to not take it is insane and to not want to have music better and just [ __ ] the whole thing I love addicts I love them so much I mean I love sex addicts drug addicts alcoholics C dependent so so but was such a normal response to the fact that there's no control or the fact that you die like what is the point of setting up this whole life that they tell you is so important so crucial the stakes have never been higher and it's like literally the stakes do not exist it's just [ __ ] so it makes so much sense to be like I just want to sit around and sort of like listen to the music the absurdity of the thing a little bit cleaner or sort of be here and there at the same time to me also I have a few other addicts in my life now she's collecting them now yeah good job put them in my pocket I realized to an extent I had my own addiction to those people oh interesting yes yeah but I think what's so beautiful about them is they're the most sensitive people I know and feel everything so deeply which is why I think there's a seeking of [ __ ] and I think that that's maybe underrated you know what I mean can I add an appeal so you've just mentioned some really good ones which are music maybe not worrying so much about your future and the importance of everything you're doing or at least taking an action about the fact that you really have sort of No Control you wake up one day and you're like so now I'm 40 and I'm like in the rat race how did I [ __ ] get here you know why do I care I bought into the game against my will and mortgages and all this sh and I'm like what just happened but the other thing that I think might sound weird to non- addicts or maybe it sounds really normal is I actually love the Simplicity of being in an addiction which is in general I'm probably too ambitious I want to do 10 trillion things I know you personally I admire you as an artist I want to do something with you right that'll be in just rattling in the back of my head as will 600 other things and when you're addicted to something it really streamlines everything just find out how to keep taking these pills on the sly when no one's watching that's really it and then everything else is kind of additional but there's something about having a singular purpose that I find weirdly kind of comforting makes a ton of sense to me it's pretty crazy that people are just driving around high as hell you mean stoned or oh yeah I think everyone in La is stoned yeah CU I ride a motorcycle right so I'm lane splitting yeah and yeah the windows are down in LA and certainly every third car I'm passing there's [ __ ] weed wafting out of it's just evidence that it's so widespread this sort of need to be like in the world while out of the world it's just worth noting that it became so agreed upon that it became legal yeah like I walk around New York and I'm just in shock at the idea that people are in jail for this thing that is now being sold on Time Square on the street the mine Camp process is it legal now in New York I mean they've got like sort of taco truck weed trucks oh wow it must be it must be there stores yeah the amount of like energy and time I spent as a teenager emptying out champoo bottles to then wrap them in Saran Wrap to walk through [ __ ] security Lanes terrified Sweating Bullets I was reading about you and I found your life fascinating which I didn't know any of it yeah no it's been a whole thing although now I would say I'm less and less interested in my own story all the time I mean yes great also I guess written so much where I've used it so much that's what got me so into all this futurism and all these kind of like other trips is there's so much I know nothing about one of the Troubles of the solipsistic nature of the Arts is that we're all pretty interesting but like we find each other fascinating and our cases are fascinating by nature of being artist is examining an interior world and how it relates to This World At Large so it's very supported in that way but then I just think oh my God am I going to die I knowing 0% of anything but being able to articulate that 0% so well that it seems like it was enough uh what a waste of a Life by time I'm 25 I'm already it's over it goes quick hard drugs and we don't get into it but I do want people no I don't think people all know I just want people to know like you're in alleys downtown on skid R you're doing it as hard was done right you're getting arrested you're getting evicted there's cour I'm a grown ass man you already famous yeah I'm already famous but there's no phones anyway you can Google it and it's all there and it's probably all True Heart operations I mean this is for real [ __ ] collapse lungs but meantime now I'm like a spin class person okay right for context I mean it's so it's like men are trying to sire your children they want my children yes no one was trying to S your children in 2000 I got to say some people still were but you know baby always did all right but uh my larger point is is that I mean I was always a troublemaker but those crazy years the hardcore drug use sort of losing everything was probably like 2 years or something 3 years and then what was crazy though was it led to 5 years of totally being a Dropout of society of just reading Thomas Pinchin and being alone because there was no life waiting for me on the other side there was no like oh thank God we got Robert Downey Jr back nobody cared you know what I mean I was a girl honey right so it was of no consequence to them and in that sort of total of like 5e stretch where I was just a drift because of drugs or a drift because I was coming back from it I got so much information in that time that now that that's over 15 years ago I have sort of a deep desire to kind of reisolate again and get this sort of like fiveyear period I'm not talking about drugs but I'm just talking about the amount of reading I got done in that period because a cell phone is only interesting when there's information coming into it to really drop out you come back with all these new ideas meaning sometimes when I see these kids in 28 days it's like my heart goes out to them cuz I'm like honey you probably had a [ __ ] real reason for embarking on that journey and now you're trying to come back so quick that you haven't had time for this real tectonic plate shifting rearrangement I'm so guilty of that even after three hips I'm like let's heal everything by next Tuesday and be back sprinting with no tolerance for oh this might be a couple years in the making who knows what this will be well because ultimately leaving sobriety aside for a moment like the soul probably is saying like I need another aspect life here buddy okay so maybe we were like I left Detroit moved here I hated it for a few years then what I noticed is I was going home and I was a little less sympatico there like oh that's weird I still hate LA but also I've changed enough that this is uncomfortable for me slowly kind of having Los Angeles totally craft my worldview for some time and getting into Show Business and hanging out with other people who act and write and direct and all that and I thought oh that was cool I had a whole paradigm shift in my life I'm grateful for it I'm glad I didn't only experience the point of view from my hometown in Michigan and I'm now at an age where I'm like and now what's the next one I'm ready for a next one I feel like 20 years in Show Business was cool I saw what this was all about and yeah I'm ready for a whole other thing and I'm maybe also ready for the story as you were just saying I'm getting sick of my story I'm writing about it in an attempt that like okay it's now there in print you can totally step away from it and I have this desire to yes try on like a few different perspectives before it's over do you have a similar compul I identify deeply you have like this list of these five things or something that I got to write that totally wrap out this sort of Carrie fiser Bob FY self-examination routine do you think it's our pride and up being cliche that's driving all this I honestly I think a lot about this too because it might just be low self-esteem that indicates that there's something wrong with this being my story that ultimately maybe that third thing is that sort of purpose because I had this wacky childhood and then I ended up taking it out on myself so graphically and then came back from that and now have a point of view around it maybe that's enough to say hey it's not for everybody I'm really here for other kids that can't quite see hope or a way out to say it's possible find a way to take care of yourself and look at all of these beautiful offshoots that whatever your version will be mine is like a movie about it and some crazy time Space TV show about it and I have this beautiful production company with Maya animal pictures where now we get to support other creators you know you write a book you do like an Elaine stretch at Liberty maybe that is okay but hey I'm never going to make San Andreas The Rock movie The Rock movie it's my favorite film but you know what I mean like why does it also have to be that I'm also an expert in this third area but I don't know that it's as simple as that I think it's a genuine curiosity of like yes I very much want to have that body of work so I can die and like anybody else just be like hey guys here's what I saw anthropologically along the way and if this is helpful to you I'm then now so if you're a little weirdo at home maybe it'll come across some of the stuff and maybe it'll help maybe it won't on a personal level though so much of that stuff is the past and now I'm middle-aged I have a deep curiosity about the future because it's so well examined in other words usually when I'm writing like a season of Russian dollar or something I'm ultimately writing about something that really was My Issue 5 years ago and now I'm you processed it at yeah or at the very least I mean it's like this [ __ ] genius writer room and now I'm even processing it in the making of it one of the things I try to bust myself on is oh you're great at sharing what you've already processed real bravery would be sharing what you haven't processed I do both I do try to say hey here's the stuff that I think I know of nature yes and I've synthesized and here's now this other stuff that I think might be an answer to that stuff and let's go into this very murky Woods together and see if there are any answers there to be had or even any new questions which is's found scarier CU implicit in it is there might be some regret because you haven't figured out what version you're ready to stand by and die for like my take on everything in the past I'm like okay I'll go down on this that's a weird way to say it you want to take a spiritual off one you really want to you want to get in there you just give it a nice couple of nice clicks you say hello yeah warm it up don't be too uh eager so quick yeah you know e everything yeah yeah I guess when you're letting everything you're currently trying to figure out out there there's libl to be some regrets where you're like you're going to get it wrong well you don't know yet how that thing has served you you know the stuff in the past so you can at least walk away with it was bad but I got X Y and Z from it I learned from it I grew but if it you're in the middle of it you don't know yet what those things are when I'm in the thing of when I'm like writing directing [ __ ] editing with an editor Russian all I'm so inside of it it's almost like a a mad conductor that cannot tell that there's anything to do but sing this song we've got to play this song Do you understand like I'm so deep in it you know I'd walk on set you know you have a headset but you also have your [ __ ] lighter leash and the costume and the Blazer and people are stressing out and you know there's budgets and [ __ ] rewriting [ __ ] but I would like walk on to the set and be like holy [ __ ] I'm actually in the [ __ ] right place this is so crazy that it turned out this way nobody else could do this job I'm not saying oh my God this show is so great this show sucks who cares for me in that moment of time like that is the job that makes sense for me now I can sort of have what was I thinking putting that in there that's way too vulnerable but In the Heat of like the thrill of the kill we must tell the truth at all costs it must go in and then it's only like in the aftermath and I'm like oh right I'm kind of like a public figure what the [ __ ] was I thinking yeah that was insane but you have cover fire you have the separation of that's a character no the bottom line is it's fiction full stop I mean it's a Sci-Fi time travel death Loop show but for some reason and I think honestly a lot of it is in the DNA of the way we understand the world so people cannot because I've got that accent because I've got that big hair because I wear those black clothes no one person could surely also be just sort of a brain it just doesn't track for people there's something I think about my particular package that they're Charmed by but they can't genuinely understand that it's anything but pure autobiography like tracing paper where I've sort of gone in not done a lot of work and just sort of come up with this thing as a riff I'm like a hardcore New York actor even just on an acting level the amount of work that goes into that show or Pokerface this new show with Ryan to make it seem as if it's an organic extension which is arguably like a game that cetes and Pinos and all these serious [ __ ] have been playing for a very very long time to make it seem seamless that is being a good actor but I just think honest if I was sort of maybe doing them all with different like wigs or something I think they'd understand a lot easier stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare so your gift is your specificity as a human being that's why you're here why do I love Bill Murray cuz he's so [ __ ] authentically original and he's going to be authentically original and every single thing I see him in and I might be assuming that this is him or whatever the case is obviously if 10 girls when you're auditioning for slums of Beverly Hills all say one line you're just going to be very very memorable out of all 10 whether it's the thing I wanted or not you're sticking out in a lovely way yeah I mean but the thing about bill is to my eye that's a very serious person usually when you meet people at a certain level it's not just that they have the talent and then they have the talent to back up the talent it's that they take their work very seriously so I don't know what his work process is but I would imagine that he's working quite hard to create the performances that have the Nuance of the type of stuff he started doing later in life but really quick question theoretical yeah what if he wasn't does it make a difference yeah let's explore that cuz I was watching he and Letterman about 10 years ago and Letterman said to him during the interview you may or may not want to admit this or own this but you start a comedic genre that we're still living in every comedy since you has your fingerprint on it are you aware of that and how did you do that and his answer was I have a singular goal which is to remind myself that it'll happen and all I got to do is really relax and breathe and that's really what I do and I was like that's a liberating thought something I've really sort of tried to steal from him is I do think that what we're resp ing to with Bill Murray in particular is an ultimate state of relaxation I think like Jeff Bridges and like the dude Bowski I tried to steal so much from Jeff Labowski for poker face even from Jee Hackman and Night Moves or something like when they're really in their pocket as these middle-aged dudes they're just backf foot all the way but you know Jeff Bridges is so good in that he's lazy but he's funny he's working you know yeah I would say that we really respond to that state of relaxation But ultimately also we're undermining what bill has got to do as a human being and an artist in his day-to-day life to get himself to a place that he can process the world and sort of objects around him he has a Mastery of himself it appears at least in order to get to work and when he hears action to do what he so consistently does perfectly I don't know enough to know if he comes from sort of like a formal School of anything I think he's Chicago Second City I think he's ground UCB Level Training I'll tell you this when I'm directing let's say I'm so locked and loaded with storyboards and shotas and all this kind of [ __ ] that's so so intense because I'm a girl and for all these reasons and inevitably somebody turns and they're like oh my God you're really good at this and I have to have this experience where I'm like this [ __ ] who's been in this business for 38 years and I got to turn be like oh my God thanks it's so deep odd and that's more what I'm talking about that you're proficient at this job because you're I don't know what an actress and a woman and I think it's more just like an oddball I do think that there is just a real female element to because you always like oh no kidding a thanks gee yeah well you know the years they add up by the way there's zero coincidence that you and polar get along so well yeah oh my God I love polar yeah I do too she's the greatest yeah very similar shocked by the shock yeah there's an idea that if you're a woman you're almost lucky if you're competent like you got lucky as a woman if it's a male you just expect that but if they see a woman doing their job well it's like wow good for you I often think also of another thing even as an actor I'm like if I walked on the set and I was just Harvey kitel in the piano which is basically what I am I'm about that age about that height you know what I mean that height we're like New York guys I don't know you don't have the distended six-pack like a six on top of the beer belly I6 six pack but it's on the inside I just think that probably people would naturally let Harvey do his thing New York actor right right when he does his thing it's expected but when you do your thing they're surprise yeah it's a basic soft calm focused respect give this proven male person a little bit of space because they're professional I do find that when you're kind of like a funny lady there's is like hey good morning oh my God are we going to have fun today and you sort of got a turn and be like uh Define fun I'm here to do my best I'm going do nine pages today you know what I mean but I didn't know that we were going to do it as like the little lamp CH is going to put on her [ __ ] tutu and spin around and we're all going to ask each other about our weekends yeah I just don't think that would come up and then it's almost easier I find to get that space when I'm directing because things are moving so quickly at least it gives them a defined figure head and once they have that because they see it going well or efficiently or something now people understand oh okay it's going to be this kind of a thing but you still have to get a few male Macho Gaff of being like oh so you really know what you want huh and you're like yeah crazy huh that's crazy but they're excited about it listen these are such [ __ ] baby problems baby talk they're not even problems in my own life this has not been really an issue I don't know why it's probably like some sort of a dentist Hopper attitude so people just in general kind of give me space it's just something that I noticed here and there in little hidden pockets of inuendo what a bummer this thing actually is that it's still in the battle like I've got a lot of free reain I think ultimately because I'm specific but it breaks my heart over and over in the moments that I see the window into just the fully female experience or the fully funny lady experience that it's just crushing I don't say this in defense of that at all more of I think just an understanding and you alluded to it earlier I am inescapably misogynistic you can't just flick this [ __ ] switch of however many years of growing up in a system where it's going to disappear you can act differently and you can counter it with hopefully evolved thoughts and go against the impulse but I am always aware of like it's the water we've been swimming in Forever that it's in us to a really deep degree that I don't think anyone really wants to yeah I mean I'm just the same way that's why I say it's unintentional and it's actually with the best intention of like Hi little lady how can I help you have a great day I thought that might be by talking about frivilous stuff because you seem like you've made people laugh before and you're like honey I'm [ __ ] har tell I'm bar [ __ ] here you know just like uh yeah show me some sort of a private area cuz I got to focus like no problem and in that moment it literally is what the most love and I'm a deeply empathetic sensitive person who more than I'm ever upset I'm more noticing observationally on a societal level ah gosh this is maybe a young woman who that's her dream she might even really look up to me as a figure who's this [ __ ] multi-hyphenate Powerhouse holy [ __ ] I want to be like her and like hey is your puppy coming to set ready to have some fun just because people get nervous and that's the language of women and the language of men it's so weird nobody is doing it on purpose I don't think but maybe a handful of realholes but yeah in general we're all just kind like the gaffer is just trying to say hey little lady you seem like a smart one that's all he's trying to say in his best language you seem like a [ __ ] cool director and I'm inspired that's what I'm been very impressed by you yeah cuz we all want to be impressive to everyone but it's just funny that also when we talk about like the changing landscape I guess of any of these things it's stuff that sort of takes time from the day from the focus of the stuff of what would it be like to be people who could just interface without all of this historical baggage if you didn't have to step over 12 different things in root to doing the thing you wanted to do and make a little space for I'm going to forgive and I understand and of course that and excusing and all this stuff it's just a Time suck an energy suck it's a little bit depleting okay now I deeply loved going to directing my nutshell pitch on it is simply when you go as an actor and you're there for 12 hours you're probably doing the thing you want to do maybe 45 minutes of the 12 hours whereas a director you're there for 12 you're working all 12 you want 16 hours it's so incredible I loved it loved it loved it and then I went to a movie and I remember standing on the mark and asking like am I green and I thought oh well that's all I got to know today oh this is kind of liberating enjoying that they have to worry about whether we're getting the day or not or if we're losing this or kicking that scene down the road when you go from Russian doll to Poker Face are you at all enjoying the freedom of having less to do I think my trip in general is that I just try to work with the people I love I love polar I love Maya we have this company it's just fun to get on the phone with her and with talking business like yeah sure you know that's just two curly haired little girls who want to hang out and be like yeah now it's business talk okay so listen let's transition into the businesses me so happy Pokerface janix Bravo was my friend she showed up directs the finale chlo 70s my big sister not even just my friend it's like my family at this point CLE devolve [ __ ] best friend 25 years whatever and Ryan Johnson we really enjoy each other I love this [ __ ] dude you reached out to his wife you Kina Longworth is his wife you know you must remember this so I'm obsessed with that podcast right so I call her up to talk to her I'm so nervous we become friends and then I think it was like at a book signing for one of her books I guess Ry and I maybe like followed each other on Twitter or something and would do jokes but suddenly we were like on a sofa for an hour laughing and talking about all these old shows from the 70s that we like and movies from the 70s I'm obsessed with the long goodbye the Alman movie and Elliot G's portrayal of Philip Marlo but I really like any Philip Marlo obviously that's where oatmeal the cat comes from in Russian doll is like a direct rip of Elliot G's cat and along long abai and the next thing I know he's like let's grab dinner and talk about this idea for the show so we do and we just kept going back and forth Co hits I'm like rewriting russing allll suddenly in a zoom room and he finally sends this script it's great and I'm like so moved you know how it is like everybody thinks that all we do is sit here and people ask us to work together all the time that is not how this business Works no when somebody says and they're at the level like Ryan who's just this incredible filmmaker and lovely human being and so funny I want to make something with you for you it's like a love letter you know yes and you're only one of two people he's written for specifically Looper he wrote with Joseph Gordon love it in mind and then you you're the only other person he wrote The Pilot with you in mind I think it's beyond flattering yeah it's it's very moving and I just think when I bring up Maya or Amy or janix or Khloe or Clea I'm like oh wow you just became one of those people in my life you sort of accidentally FastTrack there because by giving me this thing and saying hey let's go on this long potentially Road together I'm not actually thinking about even what we're making how we're making the green Mark not the green Mark oh I'm a director I'm just it's more like now I'm hanging with these people as life as friendship hey can we just go off somewhere and make something together the real Apex in my opinion is having the freedom and resources and Collective appeal that you're able to work with the people you've figured out you love working with that's the high watermark for this experience I think yeah so to yes love Ryan's work and go yes now I want to go experience that but you know and there's eight 1 hours there's 10 1 hours there's 10 1 hours I cannot wait so [ __ ] good you watched yes so I watched the first episode last night I [ __ ] love it and I already was in a panic because I'm like Kristen's going to have to watch this I'm now one episode ahead that's going to be its own logistical nightmare but it's so good and it's so fun and part of the thing that you and Ryan were apparently so I read lamenting is how fun the kind of mystery show was like Rockford Files or these other shows where you got a new mystery every single episode and of course the Paradigm we've been in now for I guess 12 years or something is serialized TV the entire season's going to add up to one big plot Point whereas this is episodic so every episode you're going to be solving a new mystery in your superpower is that you are great at detecting lies which has taken you to bizarre places already your backstory like you were a indomitable poker player that then got banned cuz you were too good by the way I didn't even know Ryan was a part of it when I first watched it I just knew you were in it and I'm watching I'm like oh my God this is beautifully shot there's such a Vibe there's such an authentic World happening it starts in Vegas it's so good and I'm so so hooked and I actually didn't realize how much I was missing episodic anything I love the idea of a whole new mystery every single episode you're so good I cannot wait to watch the rest of if people don't know or remember Ryan Johnson did knives out and Glass Onion brick yeah Star Wars Jedi you're nodding oh I don't think I know enough about Star Wars so I was like I was following following following lost yeah tell me what the Star Wars movie he made was like cuz I didn't see it but wasn't that the one Adam dri was in he's great I'm sure was great the Star Wars yeah none of us have seen it [ __ ] a good actor guy can really act yeah and he had a funny face you know so gorgeous it's crazy it's very confusing I think if I was going to get real work done I would probably go for those jutting ears because I I'm surprised that there's so much plastic surgy in the world and nobody goes full eccentric nobody's like it's true do you know what I mean nobody's like purpose how come nobody gets the [ __ ] Total Recall third tip I would think that would be a major stop we don't know that someone hasn't I think I've looked it up before so I know that they have done some digging yeah but I'm just surprised there not out there more anyway yes the show is terrific I'm really proud of it it's phenomenal was it a Beatdown cuz you're basically doing five featurelength movies 10 well no oh they're an hour no listen I only watch I watch short no I was just wrong I was just only half listen yeah you're like making five feature films in I don't know what was it 6 months or something I don't know what to tell you everything in this business is like it's brutal while it's going and then it's all child birth it's all like I don't remember let's have another one if I had it my way here are some ideas Showbiz would be an after lunch job I know there's a lot of issues with light but you should you should have the morning to like you know think play the cross word whatever and also women hair and makeup that'd be part of your day it wouldn't be like this bonus on top or something I'm wearing last night's critic's Choice makeup you know what I mean second day is perfect also though mostly those two things I just think it should be a later in the day gig yeah and there should be less touching that said while you're doing it it's all very challenging because oh my God there's so much work on that show memorizing [ __ ] 60 Pages at a time I don't even know how it was happening I will really drilled down like Sam Rockwell gave me as an acting coach at some point and I was like okay if you say so Sammy and so I started using him I used him a lot on Russian DOA s of make sure that all the other actors were spoken for when I was directing so that that way they all had all their [ __ ] beats and motives and all that and then I'd rewrite in the sort of sessions with Terry nickach to make sure that everybody was kosher and also for myself and then also to sort of like carve out the difference and the distinctions between a character who's Charlie kale versus Nadia volov versus Nicki Nichols or whatever I was like oh [ __ ] I guess now I'm a person who works a fair amount I really got to start carving out all these different people and stuff you got to keep them separate yeah so you know I work a [ __ ] t with him in the middle of that I hosted SNL which was so fun I was definitely working and you know me I'm always out there trying to mix it up and get in trouble in the middle of the night the night owl so I keep a busy schedule PR a little bit prowl the streets in those streets you know what I mean cuz I got to stay inspired got to see where the kids are anyway and the show is really terrific Ryan is great we really had a lot of fun together and very inspired he knows exactly what he wants in a beautiful way you don't find that you're like walking the dog at night sort of oh that's how we should have done it you kind of go home and you're like if he said we got it we got it you don't live here anymore I have a place in both now oh you do okay Fred and I broke up so I got the house with the pool and so now I still have the apartment in New York okay they call that by Coastal but hold on a second you still live in the place you and Fred lived in no you got your own I was like honey honey honey I love you honey you keep it and he was like oh cool cuz it's my house I was like [ __ ] that's a win-win for you babe but you know we do still have plots together cuz I was like I'll see you then do you know what I mean no I want to say I know I a way of he saying we're still very close yeah yeah yeah yeah I love the baby Freddy yes how could you not he's so lovable he and my wife are deeply deeply engaged with next door the app that tells you about your neighborhood how interesting he does always talk about I wouldn't listen he was like so and so that got Rob the car I'm not on it either right in fact when we all hung out I kind of felt like well this is great like I'm you and he's Christen did you have that feeling or no yeah enough so yeah yeah yeah you don't remember but I remember I was like okay I see they they the same dynic out of traffic they're both so into next door and so many things are happening here within a 12 block radius that you and I are just completely unaware of but those two are so dialed in they're often really really funny people are having really really big crisis over the olive bar out of Gelson's I remember that was one that had them engaged for a week on my life I could care less I know because you know the trick with life is things happen and then they stop happening and then they move on from happening and other things happen so it seems crazy crazy crazy crazy if given the chance is this something that you'll do many seasons of sorry the cup was empty uh I uh don't worry I'm wrapping this up I can see you I can see you losing energy here oh it's just this is around the time where I start smoking uh oh right right right right you don't do nicotine mints like I do I I'm a purist yeah I don't want to super super super Arty I would love to do more of this with Ryan I really hope people like it but I like the idea that Ryan and I could get old I certainly wouldn't want to do it at the expense of doing all these other thing like it's really important that I kind of um keep writing and directing it just makes me so happy the directing like you said you get there and you have 12 hours of Joy my inner child will [ __ ] jump out of my soul and kill me if I don't listen to her and her search for life life is to sort of stay on this inspiration train that she's found that is the happy place you know obviously what's so special about Ryan being such a major human being is we sort of also have shared goals he obviously is just an extraordinary filmmaker he's got so much to do and I'm somebody who's really in my pocket right now I don't know how long it'll last but you know at least for a few years here I've really got some sort of stories to tell we just have such a beautiful relationship that we're always kind of talking about it and excited about that and that leads me to think that in success it would be possible to even be like Angela lansberry on this [ __ ] show of Just we would be figuring out how we do this together while also doing all the things that we love doing so much yeah okay that's it but the one thing I just simply because it's such an exciting sentence to read which is that dad was a boxing promoter and race car driver wow I feel like that could be me in another life yeah well you know he's a veil for you know re re-embodiment uh no he Di I think it was roughly around the same time my dad died yeah yeah 2014 did he die I honestly don't know the year but they're all dead as hell they're all dead as hell mommy dead daddy dead oh I didn't know okay maybe that's why boys keep trying to put babies in me they're like I'll take care of you I'm like honey who's going to take care of the kid use your brain honey um but I have good taste in men oh I really like the last one because I always feel like the men I choose we could have a child and I could leave you and the child behind like just run away into the night and you would take care of it well like it would get it well pay the bill yeah him but also Fred like Fred would like take care of I'd love to be Fred's child yeah I know I think I'm always thinking I'm like if I abandon the family how would you do oh well enough I think but my dad is dead and his dream was in the 80s he wanted to be the Don king of Israel and bring Mike Tyson to the telev of Hilton and so in a sort of tax evasion situation he took the family out there we were in Long Island at the time so for like a year and a half we moved from New York to Israel to live this sort of manic fantasy and do tax evasion and then my mother and I I guess left him behind there and she and I moved back to Manhattan so it's like this sort of uh window in there where yeah you like from 8 to 9 and a half maybe okay I'm deeply fascinated by what that year and a half was like was it cool sociologically interesting yes yeah yeah yeah so do you think that chaos is why you look for boys that are safe or would protect a kid oh interesting I've seen so much wacky stuff in my childhood that a I have practically no judgment over anybody's condition listen I don't like anything that's non-consensual or just sort of not nice the idea of violence seems so atrocious to me I just seems so mean you know I don't like mean stuff I don't even like snarky comedy but I have no judgment ultimately over people's inner condition and the things that they do to survive that damage or their lot in life I never judge anybody on the basis of anything CU I'm like yeah [ __ ] shit's crazy baby life's [ __ ] nuts you know what I mean people have big feelings and they got to smash them down I get it so I saw that a lot with the childhood and in my work I'll write a lot about crazy people or characters or something like that but I'm actually not very interested and erratic behavior is not my bag at all I will write about it I'm sort of an observer of it because I saw it first hand but on a personal level I'm pretty Rock Steady slow and steady wins the race be the tortoise not the hair I like my close friends in my life or my romantic entanglements to be sort of very like solid citizens show up there's not a lot of chaos drunk dudes in the door crying or whatever you know what I mean like baby baby I'm more like yeah honey if you have my address you're grown up enough to handle it right yeah I'm like yeah this might not work out life's crazy there's what text messages are for don't call me at 4: in the morning and think we're going to stay out till 7:00 a.m. it's not happening yeah I got to go to bed tonight you know but I think in many ways my addiction was my attempt to understand my parents because I was like why would they be like that were they anx yeah and then on the other side of that I think I like the figures in my life and myself to sort of know from and understand from the many aspects of The Human Condition but actually just sort of be a little bit more steady I would say and I've owned it a bunch of times that I'm kind of false advertising I'm like Punk grck background real [ __ ] show getting into all kinds of trouble and that's what you maybe like see and then you come to my house and it's a little suspiciously clean yeah and I'm like very into my routine yeah I'm super like and I need everything very predictable everything very clean I need the SCH super tight got to ring that sponge out or he'll be mad go crazy that's why they stink if you don't ring them out yeah I can own my false advertising yeah I know me too we're very similar in that way except that I'm a night owl and you're a family well that's different yeah not by choice I'm sort of still a scumbag and you're settled down but hold on not naturally I'm always lamenting the fact that my ideal life would be I go to bed at 2:00 I wake up at 10:00 that's the schedule my plan of what I really need is I need to get to 150 even as a beta model and that way I can do my whole plan years old yeah I can then at 55 maybe I'll consider having a kid or something and then have you figured this out maybe slow down at 100 a little bit you know what I mean 20 if you're going to 150 you see what I'm saying like I just need those extra years because right now yeah I'm deep in my [ __ ] Peak scumbag era my thing is also not only those are the hours I want to keep but I actually need 26 hours in a day I totally figured it out cuz if I just go on my natural Rhythm I'll sleep for but I need to be awake for 18 not 16 16 doesn't work for me so I really need 26 hours in the day and then I need yeah 150 175 years to go get the perspective isn't that the point of having this podcast that you have access to those kind of don't you call in if I had this podcast i' be like here's another [ __ ] physicist here's another futurist here's another is another life extensionalist and another Interstellar traveler yeah we do that right so aren't they giving you any sort of like discounts oh as far as to keep me well I think we've interviewed the right people you have the [ __ ] stuff that's what I'm asking yeah but the stuff's not there yet they don't have it yet but according to this article I just read the time Horizon does look like about 10 years out from a lot of the significant stuff you know the stuff about erasing the epome off the mice and returning them to different ages and they're really now can pinpoint so it used to be they would just wipe out too much they would go into this kind of Youth State and then their organs would grow too big right so they're like oh [ __ ] we brought them back too far but so they've really dialed in bringing the mouse back to the exact age they want to so that's very encouraging but to go from there to us well a seems now possible and then B that it'll be about 10 years of development before we can pick what age we want to be want to stay right here right here now this the age we were just debating but your brain is still the same it's just what physical your brain yeah that's what I was kind of confused about doesn't then it atrophy it I've never looked better in my life this is this is your Peak yeah I'm [ __ ] peeking that's great no brainer I mean maybe like 17 I guess otherwise did you watch the stuts documentary I did actually I was texting Jonah I thought it was beautiful isn't it so beautiful and then we just interviewed him and he was saying that you have two energy sources in life you have your spiritual energy source and your physical energy source and that all humans these cross at 27 27 is when you Peak with your human energy and it starts declining from that point on and then hopefully you replace that energy source with a growing spiritual energy source it's funny cuz when we were talking about what vessel do we want 27 seems so I don't want like STS DET trctor but I hard pass for me 27 was a mess that's all I'm saying it's not it's not you it's your physical body even know what that body it was in such shambles from what I did to it I went into [ __ ] reamp 75 lbs my body was [ __ ] up at 27 to decade did people have like the inexplicable urge to lift you cuz if I met you at 75 I certainly would want to lift you off the ground yeah you lift me into a stretcher uh I don't know that 27 is as hot as it's 27 that's the time everybody dies what are we even talking about well that is an unfortunate age for a lot of musicians yeah I don't think it's that high but what I could relate to is that at 27 I was drinking at least a fifth a day I was doing cocaine I was smoking a pack and half of cigarettes I exclusively 88 711 I went in there twice a day for the two for a129 hot dogs and I woke up and by God Natasha I felt pretty good every morning and then that started going away you know when I was actually not bad 22 oh okay that waswe it all went you know okay listen I'm going to wrap this up by saying yes dear I become aware of you from slums of Beverly Hills I'm totally Enchanted by you and David Crum Holtz I'm like who the [ __ ] are these two people I'm so excited that these actors are an offering and then you're out for a while and I'm like what happened to that gal I was so intrigued by and then you returned and I was so thrilled that you made it through because there were just so many that didn't heartbreakingly so I've known several of them obviously from being sober for 20 years in LA and I'm so delighted that you've landed where you're at and you're writing and directing and you're acting you're doing every single thing and it's very life affirming for me from the outside whether you want to acknowledge all that or be taken on that ride I am incredibly grateful that this crazy Winding Road landed you right where you're at thanks I'm a fan that's so sweet I truly am a fan yeah ah this is very nice and you're so fantastic and I want everyone to watch Poker Face it's really really great it's you who we all love and it's Ryan who we all love and it's brilliantly made and it's on peacock you get four at once boom they're going to bend you over and plow you with four right away it goes uhhuh they get you addicted with the four and then every Thursday they come out I hope everyone watches it I adore you a it's mutual this is so sweet what a sweetheart you are you have to attend now my what a nice thing that thank God you brought this guy back in the [ __ ] passenger seat um yeah worth it it honey attend my hay ride okay this it's really fun no idea what he means but sure Halloween hay ride Halloween hay ride sure through this neighborhood over and over again Michael Jackson Thriller dancing you really want to be impressed by some maneuvering of a machine bring extra pants you're going to be changing your slacks every 20 minutes that's how intense the driving is there's a U-turn with the trailer at the top of the hill because I'm peeing no no you're going to be so horny for my driving py [ __ ] I thought okay okay so just bring extra you can tie it into your costume it'd be easy to justify why you have lots of pants rubber diap yeah nobody likes that I adore you good luck on everything I hope you come back and watch Poker Face all right much love stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare and now my favorite part of the show The fact check with my soulmate Monica padman who we oh Whirlwind who he what time is it oh 415 almost an 8 hour day big old day big day I wish I could say I was going to sleep like a king but there's no relationship last night's sleep was hubal sorry Delta sick yeah so lots of trips in yeah coughing coughing cough sneeze sneeze sneeze wake up wake up wake up too many peas three peas and I've been curbing my intake whatever of caffeine just liquid oh oh oh cuz I'm peeing you know pee so much I got to switch to a diaper you got him I got it it's time it's been a long time coming mhm I've been flirting with it for a long time it's time to pull the trigger yeah yeah how' you sleep okay A little cold in my bedroom because despite the fact I got you a heater so I realized that I've never closed the door to my bedroom I just don't do that right but you know I've been in a ongoing battle with making chicken in my apartment and the smell that it that it permeate I mean it gets everywhere everywhere it's on my Yeah well yeah it just get it's cuz my apartment has no ventilation there's not one vent right in the entire apartment there's no vent over the stove want the commode I guess you got a window next there's a window that's it okay all right you made yourself a big bird last night is that what happened some thighs oh on a cookie sheet uh no no a braze in the pan in a dutch oven oh yeah P the covers up and let her rip you brown so it's a couple it's some processes you brown skin on and then you remove then you use the chicken fat okay to cook your other stuff your aromatics and then you put the chicken back in some liquid then you sprinkle the fat all over the apartments just so for days you can smell it exactly no it just gets it's on my towel it's on my clothes it's on this morning you put your purse Outdoors you came into the attic we had a guest and then you're like when I came up you were placing your purse outside of the attic it smells like chicken I'm like what you have a [ __ ] chicken inside there got well it's also one of those things I don't know now if it's just in my nose right that's hard to know it's hard to know or my hair very probable it's in my hair and I have all the windows open including the ones in my bedroom the living room dining the kitchen cross breezes all the fans okay but this time I closed the bedroom door before you started cooking yes very smart and I closed the bathroom door it was better uhhuh so I learned but what I didn't think about was the fact that I'd be freezing with that door closed MH and then I this morning I was like oh my God I'm freezing oh yeah I have a heater a very decorative cool one exactly so tonight I'll use the heater oh so you didn't cuz it was too late by the time you remembered yeah it was I thought maybe like oh but you didn't turn it on this morning no I was I was heading out the door it was too cold toam bam thank you ma'am out the door onto the next but now I know how to fix you're going to love it I have one downstairs in the gym same model different color it'll be cozy and it really I got to turn it off pretty quick cu the gym real warm nice I love it hot very oldfashioned too just one toggle switch which I love oh and people will be happy to know um someone came to my apartment today to reinforce the fan or at least check it to make sure I don't get decapitated in oh right yes yes someone wrote a horror story in the comments oh no yeah about decapitation I hesitate to tell you but it was God the person was pregnant oh my laying in bed the [ __ ] fan did you know come apart fail structurally and swirling pieces rain down there was injuries was the baby okay yes the baby was the baby was okay um but I think maybe she was setting this the context being she wasn't real Nimble at the moment maybe she couldn't jump up or something yeah I don't know if the baby was material to the story but I think it was toak well Stakes for sure good storytelling 101 but also maybe to to say her Mobility was decreased oh my God yeah yeah I thought maybe you read that speaking of a very good friend of mine is pregnant uhhuh and I got to go with her to her appointment and look at the hear the baby heartbeat and all that it was so special I saw you right after yeah then I saw Rob immediately after you were at the Maternity Ward yep wow right next to Maru Rob is pregnant wait is the place next to Maru the cedar there the new Urgent Care actually upstairs has real offices oh baby so also anything can can I get anything done there probably I'm finding a new doctor that's up there yes that's that's the move so walkable I mean come on be at the doctor every day I can't wait I'm going to go so much they're going to know you my first name no it's really hard it takes like four months to get an appointment oh my God so anyway so that was really lovely I got to do that I loved those appointments yeah I bet oh they're so fun bet oh peeking inside and seeing the little little baby swimming around in there you know and I I really started thinking about it because this is a very close person to me I like wow there's no going back that's right that's right we're on the other side of this now and for the rest of our lives you have a a child I was just talking to Hannah about that like two nights ago cuz she's getting married and I said you know there is the wave of permanence when you get married but on some level you also know divorce is an option you know yep but boy when you get that ultrasound you go well till you're dead this is it yeah yeah it is the most permanent thing I've ever felt for sure yeah it's forever and freaked me out a little bit yeah sure the time before there was a more the most important thing yeah is over yeah it is crazy yeah it's very bizarre Aaron was the first out of the gates in of my friendship group yeah who had one and I just remember thinking in one in some way it was very consistent with who he was he always had animals right like right the responsibility of an animal always even if I thought one was cute I just I I couldn't commit yeah and I was always shocked with Aaron was like picking up dogs he had a couple ferrets for a while and that just never scared him yeah and then so I guess in that way when he had a kid way earlier than me I was like yeah I guess this is kind of this is consistent yeah it's on brand it came in under budget so what did it make you think like oh boy do I do I really want to use these eggs do I want to go get more eggs did it impact any of those thoughts yeah yeah um I mean I'm definitely freezing again when's that start I'll probably most likely around April okay um why' you pick April uh lots of travel in March okay and we're in February there you go makes it real easy and I do want to do it sooner sure plus I want to give my body a fair amount of time off the birth control right which you'll be at what nine months at that point or something yeah August to April MH fast math real nice block of time there yeah so we'll see and it didn't make me think oh I really want to use the eggs it did make me feel like I do want to be in this position okay and you do want to be in an ultrasound yeah exactly okay great so it did make me feel like I want that um but not necessarily that I want to use the eggs I don't know um but I did think I was like oh my God like okay this is happening so timing wise maybe I should just use these eggs soon like maybe I should just like get this show on the road I don't know I don't know I don't know I was 38 the first time 40 the second yeah for what that's worth yeah throwing it out there yeah yeah we'll see but oh this is kind of a ding-ding ding because this is Natasha Leon and we talk about kids and stuff on this and she wishes we could live to be up to like hopefully that science will catch up and we'll live up to 150 and then she was like you know then maybe I could have a kid when I'm like a hundred or something which would still be more time with the kid than most people get exactly I'm kind of with her on that yeah it sounds cool too late for me right I guess I got a whole new batch of kids at 100 you could well you'll have grandkids and great grandkid you'll have lots of generations you'll see maybe my kids could be like um cohorts or peers with my grandchildren you're well that'd be interesting but they'll be their parents no like let's say 20 years uh Lincoln has a kid yeah 20 years later uh that kid has a kid yeah and in 50 years I have another batch of kids oh wow then my kids would be like growing up best friends with their grand you know yeah their grand nephews and nieces at what age would you reverse your vasectomy hun feels cool okay like on my birthday going have chop that old thing back open and hook up all the plumbing and then send me on my way what a wildli mhm but you look 27 no I look 100 oh no I don't look 100 okay yeah I was like I thought you wanted to yeah not 27 though not going we're not going back that far we didn't say that did we I did I said you said 27 it sounds like what's funny is when you said yours and I said mine Natasha said it really kind of just lined up with you're going to go back I don't know what would be 8 years or 10 years it's almost like you just go back 10 you know that's interesting yeah cuz mine was older than yours mine was the oldest I'd go back to and hers was the second as she said she likes where she's at she's going to stay there she loves it I don't know what that age is but 42 or something okay 43 43 thunderful that's the ding-ding ding oh because she said her and Harvey kitel were about the same age and he's 83 she she's close 40 years and she said same height and he is 5'7 according to the internet and she's 5'3 according to the internet that's closer than their ages are it is although she felt my height did she yeah I can't recall she was really small Teensy mhm tiny torso or long torso LT or I don't want to judge her torso on air you'll tell me on the side yeah yeah speaking of I switched my arms Oh by yourself good job I did a good job job it still looks a little nuts on the other wall still too big but better big did it scratch up the floor pretty good probably okay you didn't but I have a rug oh so you slid it on the rug no under oh so then that cover you pick the rug up slid it put the rug back down but you didn't even glance to see if it was I did I didn't see anything actually oh great that sounds like it it didn't but I didn't want to look too hard yeah don't look for problems yeah that's right yeah that's right don't fix what's not broken I was just talking to someone on the phone and I we came up with the term um don't fix what's broken oh wow yeah it's kind of like revolutionary so let's see what else we got Natasha what a unique unicorn person authentic as [ __ ] very okay oh I mean there's pictures so I guess people saw but she's wearing a Gucci outfit I comment on her outfit and it's it was Gucci Gucci she wor Gucci the night before to the critic Choice also I wonder if she like has a deal with them she's an ambassador to Gucci face face of you know what I like I like that Anna says Gucci she does as far as like okay good yeah I think that's a young person thing I like it I know me too Gucci like is that good yeah it's kind of cool I think it's really cool it's really cool not even kind of cool extremely cooltra it's very Gucci have you noticed on that physical show how much they say things are cool cool okay let's talk about 100 physical is that the title physical 100 physical 100 or 100 physical on Netflix have you been keeping up since we got back no I'm not up to date oh it just gets better and better oh great we love it Rob said to me like he texts me like have you watched you know a couple days ago Natalie found it and she was like I can't stop Yes Yes uh we started it in Hawaii and couldn't stop watching it and now we're we we're count down the minutes till the new episode's released but um we haven't discussed it yeah I have some theories I want to float okay and maybe some of the producers of the show will respond to this hopefully not in a legal letter but just they'll they'll somehow tell me the first episode they say hello well tell people with the premise generally it's a Korean show and there are a hundred people with perfect physiques they come from many different disciplines you've got a gymnast you've got a wrestler you've got runway models you've got every single thing crossfitters the whole gamut powerlifters and there's 100 contestants in the first episode which I don't know was six seven hours long they're all Gathering one at a time and they've made busts of their bodies they put a mold around their body and they're trying to find their body and this room is enormous and there's 100 bus and now you file in 100 people and they're all now they're speaking in Korean so we're trusting that the translation is literal this is the this is the first show the first episode is this for 90 plus minutes hello hello hello saw you on YouTube hello oh my God look at his body so big hello you guys watched with the English dubs over it it's dubbed yeah what we watch you're reading [ __ ] subtitles for 100 physical this is not a French film i w I watched the first episode and then Natalie came in and she's like why I can't watch this wall Oh My English dub she's like their voices you need their voices because she's like I this guy sounds so much more ridiculous with his English actor well yes so that's where we get into now the potentially the legal letter it seems like they've hired five or six guys from Orange County from a Beach Community to do the dub and it also really appears like there's not been a translator hired and they're just kind of winging it right so there some of the weirdest things are happen is like oh man this is going to be cool I got to go to the bathroom but I'm going to stay and watch wow this guy and then also and this is a curiosity I floated this when we were watching it Monica they're so braggy which feels like a departure from what I at least stereotypically think of and I was like are they are they like trying to be American Andor is the translator CU it's like I'm gorgeous I'm the most gorgeous person here I'm the biggest guy here and I'm stronger than everybody I was like God this feels there's no way they're saying that right the bragging feels inconsistent with I want to use the right term we've had a bunch of different people who study different cultures of countries yeah in it being a more Society first culture versus an individualist this feels so individualist like I'm the most beautiful person in the world blah blah blah totally that's one weird thing and then as they go and they're they're heckling each other while they fight and stuff it's a great show because they end up fighting each other for a ball it's based on I believe allegedly oh I don't know legal letter here we go legal letter number two I heard that it's based off squid game it's got a squid game Vibe for sure even the there's like the refs whatever have the masks and it's that's a real nod yeah and I I mean I remember after squid game there was a press release an announcement that they were going to do that they were going to make a show based off of it and I believe that to be this but anyways I just more and more the more I watch it and I love it I think the people are just completely guessing what was said that's what I feel like is happening I could see that and I have no inside information again don't sue me but that's it feels Huntington Beach well I Think It's tricky because I'm sure what they're saying there isn't necessarily an exact English translation for or what if let's just hypothetically suggest that there's producers of a show and with what they say in Korea is like good luck you're the best I hope you beat me and they're like this is bad for the way we consume competition shows this isn't going to work them being supportive and not antagonizing let's amp it up that could have happened and see where it could happen seems that is very dicey in this climate to what change what their intentions were yeah the dubs don't even match the subtitles though so I was I had both on oh oh so that lends a little bit to what I'm saying they just kind of like parhas the moment I'm talking about where it's like they're all on this balcony watching the battle and one guy like he steps to his left and then he steps to his right but I think he just repositioned himself but they built there at that moment oh I got to go the bathroom oh but I'm going to stay cuz this looks great like I think I don't think that guy was making a move for the bathroom I think he was just adjusting his weight oh no you know oh boy okay I love it can't recommend it enough it's great hello hello we call it the hello show this I'll go out on a limb and I'll make a factual claim and you can sue me over it oh no do not say that got to be a world record for the most hellos in a television show of all time wow that I'm going to stand by wa what about Bachelor they they don't have 100 contestants since I'm Bachelor oh you're right but do you really hear all 100 people more you hear all 100 meet multiple people in many permeations I you think you 3 400 hell it's great physical 100 or 100 physical it's physical 100 or you can type in any of those and I guarantee it'll work oh man okay so the new tranquilizer drug she was talking about she was mentioning that there was like a drug that was leading to a lot of amputations it is I don't know how to pronounce it but I would try by saying xylazine ooh xylazine spelled x y l a z i NE e oh Zan's my arthritis medicine yeah it's leading to amputation my God yeah good thing I use it sparingly what if that's how it cured arthritis you eventually got that limb cut off and oh it's gone yeah it can't be sore it can't be inflamed if it's gone oh my God I can't even feel my elbow anymore this is is great what is it tell me more about xylophone okay xylazine uh a large animal tranquilizer not approved for human use started showing up routinely in the drug Supply in 2019 but didn't take off until the coronavirus pandemic began in 2020 also known as Tran xylazine can give users horrific skin lesions that can lead to amputations oh [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] Tran is it's known on the streets oh there's an NPR on it you shoot it do you smoke it do you snort it can you do all the above well if it's a tranquilizer don't you think you uh oh wait this is I see a picture I see a picture of baggies so probably yeah I imagine if they're getting lesions and stuff they're shooting it why would it be on your skin if not that's what I would guess um but maybe you can do maybe you can do it different well like heroin you can snort smoke or shoot Coke you can snort smoke or shoot probably you can snort smoke or shoot it yeah surged first in some areas of Puerto Rico and then in Philadelphia where it was found in 91% of opioid samples last year oh okay gotten dicey out there H yeah well that's what it's called okay okay is weed legal in New York yes it is it is uh-huh the state legalized recreational marijuana use in March 2021 oh hm uh says a line of hundreds snaked around the block many giddy with excitement over the opening oh I bet they were when was ours before that yeah much much before that we've had it for I want to say 5 years now 2018 January 1st right before your birthday I got nailed that wow good job years where did I smell it oh I smelled it we went at The Clash at the Coliseum oh you did I was like oh someone's banging some some green some green buds yeah that's crazy how much it's changed but if you think about us like well I smell alcohol the whole time there everyone's banging beers back for sure slamming them tall boys $14 tall boys you could drink in the stadium oh sure it's encouraged it's a big Revenue stream at these Arenas yeah not it ug games can't do it oke okay Bill Murray's training yes he has trained at Second City he got to start at Second City mhm which is what you had assumed my flashlights been on this whole time oh my gosh I worry about your battery it's blinding me actually cuz we're in a low light situation already so sorry it's so embarrassing okay I asked Kristen about more details on the olive bar situation she sent a um a voice memo oh okay let's hear what that has to say hey I'm not exactly sure what you need but if your question was about next door I became interested in it um first to be a part of my community but then I very shortly realized it was just like a localized Real Housewives there's so much infighting and judgment um and also you can find lost dogs but I really became interested in it and was talking about it with Fred and he sent me the one of the funniest posts I've ever seen where there's an olive bar at G our local grocery store and and gson for about a week traded it to be a tomato bar had different types of marinated tomatoes and this person wrote a two-page like combination it was it was like salmon rushy level vocabulary with just spitting and seething anger about who even eats tomatoes and it was an absolutely glorious post and it was way longer than any normal Nextdoor post should be and then for years following that we have traded funny nextto po oh that's great okay tomato I'm going to go out on a Lim and say I prefer tomatoes to olives I love tomatoes but I need an olive bar more than I need a tomato bar yeah I don't need a tomato bar I want to go buy a heirloom tomato slice it up and eat it I like the olives marinating in the difference stew okay serum the serum okay this is a Easter egg oh you're wearing makeup today yeah how's it look it's looking good yeah I like it I'm wondering cuz you just rubbed your eye yeah cuz I don't know how to wear eyeliner and stuff that's what that earlier in the day well no it's not agitating me but what's funny is when I was doing my research I was alreadying my full I have eyes Shadow on yes mascara and eyeliner for a guest yes and I got that done and then I was doing my research of that guess and I realized how often I rub my eyes and then I'm getting like black all over my fingers and then my guess is I'm smudging everything to high heaven and I thought oh that's a layer I didn't think about is when gals wear mascara and [ __ ] you kind of can't [ __ ] with your eyes that would that would be problematic unless use waterproof which some people do but then I find it very hard to then get off get off yeah I mean you can use oils but still I do like how it looks like I wish it was not crazy for me to wear eyeliner I like it musicians do it yeah some even actors do it some actors even do do it yeah even they do it even some 100 physicals do it uh probably yeah get those eyelashes to pop I just didn't cuz sometimes it does get in your eyes and it can be annoying yeah so I didn't know if you were dealing with some of that no no irritation whatsoever um totally don't know I have it on which is why I keep smearing it okay yeah yeah I only know when I look at my fingers and I'm like well that was I was I had this project yesterday I was taking beadlock rings off my wheels of my new truck uhhuh then it turns out I had to put them back on you have to use this anti-seize lubricant by the end of this thing each ring has probably I think conservatively 28 bolts that all have to be torqued to a certain specification it's oh jeez absurdly labor intensive just to do these [ __ ] Rings should have never done it but I did it you got this this jar of anti-seize lubricant and it's got like graphite in it it's goopy and then I'm dipping bolts in it and I'm bolting bolting bolting to hundreds of bolts by the end of it in my hands before I left last night were it looked like I was wearing gray gloves all the way up to my wrists and then I washed my hands I gave him a good wash and I realized oh my fingertips like I need to go back in and do another wash but I did have a moment where I was like I do love this look the dirty hands cuz CU it makes you masculine it just yeah reminds me of like when I've had a hard day working on engine you earn that sure you kind of earn that dirt I get that and I liked it I was like yeah that's what my hand should look like oh wow yeah a little bit of grime in the nail bed Nails CU yeah they really collects around the cuticle as well sure yeah this is for Monday which means the Super Bowl will have already happened is this weekend yeah it is yep holy [ __ ] yeah I know I had not prepared myself for that I know it's this weekend and so sorry we aren't talking about whatever happened but congratulations team Big Time congrats to the players great job City between New York and La who do you want to win do you care a I don't let start there yeah yeah I do not but probably the Eagles is it an Underdog Story well mahon's this will be the third time Mahone's been in four or five years yeah but the Eagles also have won recently and have they or a top seed I know so many dudes from Philadelphia they're going to like this is yeah I know I'll never even have a feeling like this well maybe when Max won two seasons ago under the Titus of margins and under lots of controversy controversy I know these Philly guys are just like it means so much to as and I also have some friends from Kansas City yeah shout out to my boy Craig at CWC okay from Kansas City this is a huge moment for him when we were in Hawaii I hit him up oh wow RS so I want it for Craig but then for Mel hany I got to you know oh God you're You're A House Divided I'm A House Divided but it'll stand but was it Kansas City last year two years ago um when when um the Rams the Rams won last year Kansas City lost two years ago Rams won last year tb12 my hero so I think cuz I already rooted against the Chiefs once when I was rooting for my boyfriend Tom Brady it feels more natural for me who lost last year Cincinnati Bengals okay CBS okay cuz Josh Hutcherson was at our Super Bowl party rooting for the Bengals yes and I felt so so bad for him yeah I remember and then for a second I thought it was Kansas City so I thought oh I I want them to win now so Josh can win right but but I'm all wrong yep that's right but I guess in if you're really trying to carry the torch for Hutcherson yeah then you should root for the Chiefs because the Philadelphia Eagles beat the Bengals wait don't might not be no I think the Chiefs beat the Bangals yes cuz it was like a three-point it was a [ __ ] a field goal so okay yeah so you got to root against the Kansas City Chiefs CU they're the ones that prevented the Bengals from going to meet the Eagles I'm I'm rooting for the Eagles for Josh Hutcherson I guarantee for some people they're getting irate right now to hear how haphazardly like if it's your team and you're like they [ __ ] got there this is incredible and to hear us just kind of like half in on it know it's got to be infuriating sorry guys sorry Philadelphia sorry Kansas City sorry we're going top I'm in it for the halftime show I know Rihanna Riri I still love that painting that person did for us oh yeah her I think it was just a was it a painting painting or was it a picture on the internet no it was a painting of her as a giraffe and you as a sex chill yeah oh my God all right well that was Natasha and um we'll see you soon and by the way so you can hear me say it not front of her her Show's exceptional yeah it's so [ __ ] good I love Ryan Johnson yeah ryry ryy and Riri oh my God yeah he's a sex Jackal love you bye [Music]