LIVE FROM BROOKLYN: Jason Biggs | Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard

[Music] he's anch he's [Music] [Applause] an wo woo you guys I just want to say you're the real [ __ ] arm cheres 10:00 show yeah that's that's really something um you guys one of the arm cherries is drunk everybody uh keep your eyes on your six someone's little Rowdy back there I wasn't planning on doing this but it does remind me of a story um my father and I were one time in Florida on vacation I was 14 and we went and saw a Steven Seagal movie like uh yeah stepen under seizure something it was you know suffice to say there was a lot of karate and stuff we love the movie that goes without saying and uh we're walking out is a pretty packed movie and I'm walking next to my dad and he goes stay stay alert this kind of movie a guy kick you in the [ __ ] back walking out of and I go what he goes there kind of movies on Karate kicking in the back and I was like in my dad's world view sometimes you're leaving a movie and a stranger Karate kicks you in the back and for years that never made sense to me and then one time I was leaving the movies with my wife we were leaving a parking garage and there was like a long line to pay at the toll booth and we were in a truck and I go yeah I wonder if anyone's just ever just driven over that little parking curb and out the sidewalk there and left and I said that out loud because I was considering driving over the parking thing and just leaving and then I realized all of a sudden oh my God my dad was thinking about kicking somebody in the back and he thought [ __ ] I can't be the only one thinking about kicking someone in the back watch your six um okay from the bottom of my heart Monica and I sit in a stuffy attic uh a couple times a week and it's so hard for us to imagine that there are all of you real human beings that like us so much that you would leave your houses get a babysitter spend time with a strange Uber driver all those things that you would come in and support us like this it's really blows our mind we can't even believe it it makes us so happy it's so fun to be able to share this experience with all of you guys okay so a little Woodland creature snuck into my carry-on bag and when I opened it up at the hotel it was the one and only manica [Music] padman w W Hi family hi thanks for coming we are so we this brings us such Joy you guys have no idea doing these live shows and seeing all of you in the flesh you guys um a a good friend of mine is joining us tonight he is uh the sweetest guy uh we are on a similar trajectory through life uh which we'll learn about uh he is the one and only The Lovable Jason bigs is here tonight big big big big b Big B big big I thought that might be the the one time I could started Chan and it didn't work it's going for Bigs bigs bigs bigs hey before we launch into this this this may blow your mind cuz it blew mine who here do we think is came furthest me you from where Australia oh thank you for calling Lucifer's pizza oh no for meos location press one no for all heel hor location press two ohy that's pretty damn far Australia do I like pineapple oh my pizza if you're buying I'll eat a dead rat I don't care it'll come with the cheese in the sauce still right welcome from Australia all right without further Ado let me get my cheat sheet I prepared a ton of questions for you six I'm so curious what you dug up well I was shocked to learn this about you you're an Emmy nominee yeah I I don't say that in oh boy I I was so surprised you were nominated for something your work was recognized this is weird would you like to explain no um no I I the only TV show I associate you with is Orange is the New Black right right but I think I would have heard that you were nomin n but this this so I was not yeah it's there is an asck I think next to the well because um well it was it it was a daytime Emy all due respect if there's any daytime emm all due respect there's any Daytime Emmy nominees in the audience uh no it was for Daytime Emmy winners got 50% off tickets oh wow yeah that'd be great to offer deals you knew no one like Super Bowl champions 90% off totally totally if you are above 7et tall free Wings Everest Summits 90% off yeah so it was uh when was that it was 94 and it was for uh As the World Turns and I played thank you yes I played I played Pete Wendell a trouble teenager okay and I what kind of troubles uh well let's see he um you know kind of regular Teenage Mischief in including uh finding $800,000 of uh stolen Ransom money and then and then deciding to spend it on things like ice Gates literally there was an episode where I had to like I was like yo check out these new ice skates I got like and they they like built on this shitty set on 57 Street they built like this fake it was like plastic that you could skate on kind of they were real skates but it was like plastic spray painted white yeah I mean it was horrible and like I felt every take and I was like this is some [ __ ] so I did it I did the show for about a year and I I was yeah I was 15 and I was called into one day I was called into the executive producers office and he essentially fired me oh right and I was like wa this is heavy I'm 15 okay you know like just kind of my first like oh so that's how this [ __ ] goes um and he up it was storyline reasons which I have to believe I do believe first of all for my ego but also I just really don't think there was any I didn't do anything wrong that I remember but it probably was a pretty boring story line like I don't really I mean I just bought ice skates with Ransom money for [ __ ] you Andy what's that so so I get fired and I'm like and and it like crushed me you have to be devastated I was devastated yeah and right before so right before ID gotten that part um I'd been acting since I was a little kid but um I hadn't worked in in a while right and like a year or two it was really slow but which was one tenth of your life at that age just want to point that out it's longer to him than it is to us even even more than that it was a pretty crucial uh year it was or two years it was the beginning of high school for me like 8th grade going into high school and that transition pubic hair pubic hair the whole thing and I nocturnal emissions you don't have to admit to that oh coming yeah night nighttime coming lots of yes yes totally humping the bed sheets like what the [ __ ] is I got to wash these now and I uh so it was like weird I was like acting and so I couldn't you know play sports and this is the the violin playing portion of the story and like I like I didn't have friends basically it was like a really weird awkward time in my life and I remember driving into that audition at 14 years old and telling my mom I I got to stop this acting thing like this is I like have no friends I'm not hanging out just in case I get an audition like I'm not playing sports I'm not doing anything and so she was like okay like whatever you want to do and so I was like yeah I think this this is it I'm done and I I auditioned and I got the part and I was like yeah I'm back and then and then less than a year later they were like you're not back you're actually fire and I was like [ __ ] now another year has gone by where like I don't have any friends and um but I remember I was crushed and then 2 weeks later the Emmy nominations come out and I was the only [ __ ] guy nominated from the show and I was like yeah [ __ ] yeah yeah and then I didn't win and I wanted to kill myself again now we were I'm we're joking about As the World Turns but I would have played the ice Gates on that show like I would be thrilled to have been on that show especially at 14 years old I was stoked no it was great yeah and um but you first of all you're from you're from around here you're from New Jersey right Bergen County New Jersey yep Garden State I directed a movie after it you guys saw [Laughter] it um did you guys like that movie I made about your state Garden State um now your mother was a nurse or is I don't know she still is still is yep okay this is just a weird side note do you know these people with um moonchild and byox no no well it's where you make your kids sick so you can get attention right it's dark that's heav almost all of them are nurses this is the weirdest well well well almost all of them anything over 51% is almost all okay I standby almost all I'll I'll fact check this for real so do did you ever catch your mom like poisoning you or anything no okay all right well that's I didn't catch her but now that I think about it yeah it's not normal for a guy to have fatty liver at 12 so but now your dad and when I read this I was so excited your dad uh was a shipping company manager yep that sounds so mafioso doesn't it totally it definitely does I mean it sounds like sanitation management yeah wink wink totally in your Italian not to stereotype in New Jersey with a shipping company manager yeah a lot of Ships coming in a lot of sh some some fall off did your dad ever come home like 32 VCRs or anything yeah yeah he did he did no what is what what did your dad do um it's that's so funny cuz it's true they're he definitely encountered that where he was so he it's to this day pretty nebulous what he did and I only supports the exactly all of the shipping company means we're at B Bing he always just wore leather jackets a lot drove an Escalade was at the strip club most of his I uh so he basically handled uh for this one shipping company at the Port of newk in New Jersey was a it's a huge shipping port and uh he would just sort of keep track of inventory that was coming in on certain trains and stuff still sounds Mafia likee the more I explain it I think my dad was in the mob yeah [ __ ] it's kind of cool actually yeah thought he had the lamest job maybe he had the coolest job glass half full you start poking around your backyard next time you're at the family houses yeah take a little poker and oo that felt like a rib that's funny that's funny there were always patches missing grass right like 6 feet by and would you go see Dad at work yeah I would in fact so um so yeah it was very cool for a kid it was a cool yeah and I actually got to take Sid my oldest son there uh just this past year so he was four and so I was like you know I think he's like right at the age and my dad's like can I take him and I was like you know what let's do it and we went down there and he had the best [ __ ] time it was did he get to go up in a crane he did not get to go up un I got to go up when I was a kid but I think the the the rules have changed a little bit sure sure you know a little bit more liability concerns so uh he did not but he still had a great time and then my dad actually just lost his job recently you're kidding no I swear to God it's um he uh yeah he was shot and killed by his uh he's buried in my backyard and yeah he's somewhere in the metal lands underneath giant Stadium no he um but he did he lost his job and it was like it was it it um he was due to retire anyway but they were like downsizing and he was like eeking it out eeking it out he didn't want to but he knew he was going to but anyway kind of they forced his hand it was kind of annoying kind of sad this just happened well first of all sorry yeah right bummer what's his name I uh is it did you say Dad Dad Dad I thought dad big dad bigs D Daddy I mean I stop he changed his name from Daddy to Dad when I was like 18 but I thought that was uh Gary Gary but was it a was it um Gary bombats oh good good yeah uh was it because automation has improved or or agism that is no no no that's exactly it it was all he was literally uh you know there was a whole office supporting this sort of tracking of the inventory which AI is now and then at by the end it was just my dad literally just my dad in this office um for like the last two years so I mean the writing was on the wall but it was still a bummer you know but anyway I'm glad the reason I thought of that was like I'm glad Sid got to go down before he just the computer kids can go right exactly computer door offspring of computers little tiny toaster ovens and rolling around there they stay married right they did yeah they're and they're still they're still married it's a very matriarchal house my mom sort of ran the show yeah get it girls time's up [ __ ] any of your sisters hot hash me too bro relax [ __ ] dude um um matrial so uh mom's Sicilian yeah her her I just want a stereotype yeah family Sicilian tough tough tough broad yeah she's no joke still Gamora Gamora yeah pretty much okay good and Dad's only half tough right he's like half Irish yeah English is it bigs is 100% alcoholic pretty much well no his dad apparently was was full on yeah which was interesting cuz then growing up my parents were very like anti super super anti to the point where like one drink equaled well you're going to die and you know you're going to that's it you're going to leave the house you're going to have one beer and you're going to wrap yourself around a tree goodbye I guess and I was like oh my God cheers [ __ ] yeah salute chani um yeah but uh and they they were Roman Catholic right Roman Catholic grw up Catholic I keep saying they as if they've had some huge turnaround but they're they're Roman Catholic yeah yes well it's interesting they they yeah the the es and flows of religion in my house it was always you know we were like Christmas Catholics basically but some some years it was more extreme than others some years it was more than just Christmas right um we went to Sunday school um oh well that's because yeah we like got confirmed we did all that stuff I hated it man it's hated it it's not a blast for a kid if you still believe that's great it's just not yeah it just was never fun and and also because I didn't see them they sort of picked and and chose when they were going to you know be it right so for me I had this early impression that it was just sort of you know either believe it yes or or don't believe it you know what I mean but the sort of Wishy watch stick on Dad's collar all of a sudden we're at church once a week exactly right on our knly right so so I guess um if Dad is a uh shipping Logistics genius and Mom is a nurse um how at five do you develop an interest in acting so my older I have an older sister who who is here hello she's sitting in two different seats she's yeah she threw her voice she's always been good with Impressions and throwing her voice so uh when she was a kid she was in this uh this like dance group in New Jersey just this sort of as a hobby initially but she was quite good and then she got into this sort of touring group and um I don't know they did quite well they kind of toured around the east coast and stuff and then um she because of our proximity to New York a lot of the other girls in the group started getting agents and managers and doing the acting and Broadway thing and uh Heather my sister wanted to do it as well and my my parents are like okay I mean you know it'd be a good way to save money for college if you worked and so she got an agent she got a manager and she started working yeah she actually worked pretty consistently for a few years as a kid and when I was five um I guess her manager asked if I would want to go on an audition or something and and and what's the age gap between you she's seven years my senior so kind of a big gap and then I have a younger sister who's two and a half years younger okay yeah and at one point all three of us were doing it and then I just sort of um they both stopped when they got like middle school high school um and I just I loved it and I and I worked a ton yeah so at five what kind of stuff are you doing like commercials commercials modeling stuff obviously yeah duh um but like yeah like kids you know like the JC Penny catalog sure Krist did those too yeah so uh and were you aware of the fact that you were making money I was aware of it at a certain points surely I mean when I um that's a really good question I mean obviously at that age I wasn't you right you wanted Nintendo and all the games you wanted and that's why I'm thinking about it because at a certain point I remember being aware of it because I would sort of say like well I didn't I you know I would ask ,000 like why can't I have mikee Tyson's punch out exactly exactly I mean $90,000 I want a [ __ ] stomper I'll buy you one too M I'll buy you a [ __ ] car if you let me buy but I do remember that sort of those conversations happening like but I just work can I get a thing and their whole thing and they and they stayed consistent through all of my childhood uh to their credit which was doing this to put away money for college if if you turn 18 and you choose not to go to college which I would advise against but if that's what you choose do whatever the [ __ ] you want with your money so high school yeah you alluded to the fact that you weren't crushing for lack of a better term yep yep so i' they all know this but you don't know this about me but seventh grade for me I was Brad Pit I believe that if I could live a single year in my life over and over again it would be seventh grade it it never got better than that you pe and eighth grade was pretty good I retained about 90% of the coolness and then I switched and went to another High School gained 4 in lost 20 lbs terrible mullet acne [ __ ] wake up call Dax bet man I bet oh my God so I had two years of just I would look at a girl and I could see I was just dead invisible like she's maybe tried to see past the mullet or whatever she would literally walk into you yes like what sorry I my brother convinced me I should have a perm on top but keep it straight in back so I'd have sweet permanent upstairs and then just sheet of hair and back [ __ ] huge nose acne Waf for thin what a look that's amazing yeah now at a certain point when you go through that I I everyone should go through that cuz at a certain point I said to myself going into 11th grade no one's going to turn their head and look at you that's just that so that ship sailed you're just your currency is going to be your personality you've got to up the game you got to learn to dance you got to tell some jokes be funny sure ride a motorcycle all those things yeah did you have that moment where you're like okay I'm not the quarterback of the football team um ye that's your sister don't worry that's a sibling thing she knows that I she remembers vividly when I came home and was like [ __ ] I'm not the quarterback the football team yeah I always felt different because um because of the acting thing really it was always a little weird and no one else was doing what I was doing and so it was very strange and know back at the normal like you know get picked on and stuff you know for for for it um I was never um I never thought that I would that I would be that but I definitely realized yeah that it was going to be personality for sure which I knew that which I also had already at that point I had sort of I had also um gotten the sort of uh what's the word I'm looking for the encouragement on from doing the acting right so I'd already been I would get parts that called for the funny whatever so like I had had that sort of going for me and I felt confident in that world already yes but then I would come back to my town and would feel other than and be like oh [ __ ] I'm a loser but I know that I can I know that I can do this right so so as I got a little bit older in high school and girls and the whole thing it was definitely my and you had the advantage of being raised is basically by a sister right that's a pretty big Advantage she know how to talk to gals totally yeah yeah yeah I mean it was weird it was a weird age Gap I definitely learned a lot from her but like she was out of the house and in college be like you know I think before I hit middle school like you know I think I was seventh grade and she was in college right so it was sort of a weird you know I don't know I kind of remember those sort of awkward years kind of being on my own a little bit now what's crazy to me is that you were on Broadway at 12 years old yeah you did your first was that your first play on Broadway yep that was my first play it was in uh uh 90 91 I think I so I was 12 um we did it actually in Seattle at the Seattle rep and then came back and did it on Broadway the following year I turned 13 and then I turned 14 during the Broadway run we did it for about a year um on the pubic hair and I was playing a 10-year-old yeah and at that point I was like oh were there any girls in it your age no you were the only child there was one other kid you know Dave Crum Holtz yeah yeah I love him so Dave that was his first job he was literally plucked from Forest Hills Middle School like a production of bye-bye birdie s like open casting call they were trying to find this kid and they found crumb Holtz you guys know Dave he's like one of the funniest people in the world he's like that was Dave that was Dave Dave and and my sister and his sister uh but yeah so the two of us so we so you were in an adult world for two years and what is that experience like super weird I mean fun when I was so I would literally like um you know I'd go to school during the day and then I'd come home and I do a little bit of homework my mother would drive me in to the city and I do the show and then cuz you're doing like eight shows a week eight shows a we regular y oh my good and it was it was not a short play I was only in the First Act then my character was older in the second act but I had a stay for Curtain Call so I would use the second act to do more homework and then Curtain Call was like 10:45 do that get in the car my dad would pick me up drive back to Jersey hopefully no traffic get home 11:30 12 go to sleep and then get up at 6:00 and finish whatever homework I had and then go to school again Jesus and it was like this weird just like [ __ ] Groundhog Day crazy except for Wednesdays I would leave school early to go do the matina and then the weekend when all these kids all my friends well I didn't have many friends friend My my friend yeah when friend would be playing yeah um but it was like Yay weekend and I'm like Yay four shows and I would go in and do you know crazy weekend of shows and then all my all of the theater people were like Yay Monday day off and I'd be like yay back to school [ __ ] you yeah um it was a really crazy year did you like it or did you quickly get disillusioned I liked it um but I Rec it was definitely um I'll tell you what I liked about it I liked that when I came into New York and uh I was at the theater and especially when I was performing um there was nothing up to that point in my life that I enjoyed more right it was clear doing that play for me that it was the best thing ever I was incredibly lucky and I would love to do it for the rest of my life like that was so so that was obviously an amazing part of the experience but um but I was exhausted I mean I was definitely tired um and you would have been 6'2 I would have been what 6'2 your parents if you didn't have period it's so weird man I like yeah and um had pneumonia almost the whole run that your mom gave you what's that that your mom that my mom gave me mononucleosis yeah but did you do you think that you liked the control aspect of it of the theater specific of Performing yeah uh like you go into a high school scenario and there's all these variables and you have zero control over any of them but you go on stage and then you know what that person's going to say and then I can control how I'm going to do this like that's yeah absolutely um yes for sure it felt safe it definitely felt safe um especially when you're that age you don't really have too much uh autonomy over anything in life and then all of a sudden you're the boss of that 10 minutes or whatever the hell it is right yeah and you're entrusted too it's a huge huge responsibility yes that you're giving a little kid totally and I knew it and felt it and appreciated it um and also like you know yeah the at home I mean I I've my parents and I have a very good relationship at the moment um we do at the moment but I those there were some years in there it was really hard I mean I'm sure a lot of it's just sort of normal teenage stuff but it was also very I grew up in a very operatic household right like it was very loud lot of big emotions super super charged mhm um For Better or For Worse mostly for worse at least at that age it was not the healthiest place at times right and uh and my parents were very strict incredibly strict oh really and yeah and so um I felt you know at times very out of control there and very you know the opposite of autonomous I mean just really the victim of these whatever Whimsy whims exactly and so so for sure it was a wonderful Escape and and great autonomy yeah and and that responsibility I really connected with like oh [ __ ] okay I'm trusted with this I would imagine you learn to have a compartmentalized existence and you learn to have a secret existence where it's like I'm jokes on you [ __ ] I'm a whole different person in the city and it was weird because they they they that's that's a dodgy skill set to develop as we'll learn in a minute yeah yeah I mean it definitely and they were they saw you have to you end up having to lie to parents like that right you have to act like you're not doing anything or oh yeah for sure yeah it it was it was weird I mean I definitely what I was going to say was the because my parents were a part of that like when the play was in its sort of when it was really running you know they would just drop me off and then come and pick me up so I actually did have that sort of actually here's what it was there were three there was there was Dave and I and then was our understudy who understudied both of us so we were the three miners that had to be there every night and so there had to be a guardian with us and a Catholic priest yeah exactly he was very gentle yes we still keep in touch than God all gentle yeah um and I'm so sorry to any Catholic priest in the audience but next show 90% off to all Catholic [Laughter] priests um uh so we had to have so our basically our parents would take turns so one week it would be my parents week so one of my parents would have to be there during the show and we would trade off but for for you know um you know two out of 3 weeks I was dropped off and was allowed to sort of play in this adult World sure for 3 and 1 half hours um and it and it did become my sort of secret little little [Music] world now you uh graduate high school you've accumulated some money they told you it's for college and then you did go to college uh for 3 weeks yeah yeah yes great job good job that's 5 15 list mom you said it was for college I [ __ ] went all right give me my dough so you go you go to college for 3 weeks uh and that's 18 and between 18 and 21 before we get to the big a big chapter in your life are are you working are you supporting yourself are you living off that sweet sweet as the world s burg King money um I so what H so yeah so I I left I was at NYU I left NYU after a couple weeks and I took uh a semester off I just didn't like NYU and and by the way part of part of it I'm sure was that I knew I was paying for it with with my money and NYU was not cheap and I was miserable and I was commuting from from home from Jersey oh [ __ ] that which was the worst yeah it was the worst I did not get the experience it was just it yeah it just didn't it was just not fun for me In fairness you gave it three weeks but I did give it three weeks yeah I mean yeah yeah I gave it gave it the really give the college TR oh wait no no no hold on wait that's wrong wait wait wait wait that's wrong okay hold on that was a different College just a different yes so so I went to NYU I gave it a full semester I gave NYU a full semester hated it uh I I remember taking I took economics at one of I took econ and like one one was like a required creative writing course and then two other courses I don't even remember but I took economics which was like I love how you say economics I'm supposed to say economics I say economics I could be wrong mon will find out I think you're right if it's a the subject the subject economics as opposed to the verb when you when you economic you can say these people do economics but I'm studying economics that's the difference dude I just economic the [ __ ] out of a 6in sub at Subway they all believe me I have so much power here it's crazy it is crazy made it all fact check that fact check yep um yeah and I remember getting up in the middle of my econ final I think i' answered like one question wrong I'm sure but it was like a three-hour final oh jeez and and I had decided before I even went in that I was not coming back and so I I answered like one question or wrote gave it the old College gave it the old college and I got up you know like pencil down got up like walked with such confidence to the TA handed in but everyone in the class was like wow I was like it's done it's done I did it will Hunting style yeah I was like you guys are still working on this [ __ ] man um yeah and so failed it of course and failed the class and I took a semester off and I worked at I was still auditioning but wasn't working that much and so at all and so I was working at uh Gap Kids actually Gap Kids Baby Gap combo store great so all your infant needs right one one stop shopping but it's interesting because I can fold the [ __ ] out of a toddler onesie I bet now you're happy thrilled yeah yeah I bet Jenny's particular folding board nothing just in the air just boom boom brilliantly so I I have to ask one pervy question again it won't be the last you're working in a kids shop and the gals are coming in you know new moms and stuff you seem fun and everything you know were they were they asking you out or anything just seems like you know not where I thought you were going with that question me either I don't think anyone here thought that's where you were going but I'm grateful that that's where you went yeah well we are like I had a buddy who worked in the produce department at a at a at a grocery store sounds exactly the same yes please go on it's just an ideal job for a young man okay oh whatever I'm sorry I got us off course I have a lot of Baby Gap fantasy there were definitely a lot of young yeah sure who doesn't who doesn't who doesn't she goes uh yeah so anyways I I cute you're folding the [ __ ] out of the on I actually start I started F I started folding I started dating I folded the [ __ ] out of this one girl bro dude you don't even know man uh I started dating one of the other cashiers perfect so that was hot okay great that makes me happy that's normal levels of hot yeah yeah nothing hotter than talking think about the children's clothes when we hooked up do that is that pervy enough yeah that's good okay cool uh we you never put your genitali in the little socks there it is there it is now we did that's we that's where I thought he was before I took the long route yeah okay it took a while to get there but I knew you could do it wor worth the wall you never fa I knew you could do it so we have kids so um took that wonderful semester off and then decided I was like what am I doing still not where I was like obviously auditioning for things and thinking I'm going to get something it's going to solve all CU cuz I CU at when I was at NYU the I think the biggest thing for me it wasn't the money it wasn't the commute although those were certainly factors it was I wanted to be acting right and like in hindsight what I probably should have done was apply to Tish and actually gone to the drama school and because I was passionate about it and loved it and was decent at it i' be married to Kristen Bell now maybe would be married to Christ she was there yeah [ __ ] you know what you blew it well she would have app weird huh yeah so I grab a job over a Baby Gap I'd be doing just fine oh boy what if we literally those were our lives and I'm sitting here you're interviewing me because this is your side gig from Baby Gap and I'm like anyway my wife Kristen Bell super awesome oh boring I had my testicles in a cutest pair of little socks last night didn't think they were going to fit but got the sock wet and then it got no no no no no it was great that's amazing yeah oh you're married to Princess Anna from Frozen I have my tesicles in Frozen socks amazing that's amazing cute little okay that's amazing what weird lives we have parallel jeez so uh so yeah so so so um took the semester off and then decided I I needed to go back to college and applied and uh to a smaller Li liberal art school in New Jersey Montclair State University and then I was there for 3 weeks weeks uh when I uh but oh you know what when I when I so when I applied to Monclair State I went to transfer my credits I spent you know couple hundred th000 I mean at Le 25 or something $30,000 for this semester at NYU and I was like okay well I'm going to transfer my credits and Montclair State along with most colleges apparently uh have a minimum requirement of 16 credits that you need to transfer and because I failed Eon or I had 12 and so the NY stin was completely useless wash yeah it was a complete wash anyway I went to Montclair State I was there for 3 weeks auditioned for a TV show got the got the part and went out to LA and then did that show left College obviously and then went out to LA did the show it was cancelled after 13 episodes but I decided to to stay out and La so you stayed in La yeah so that was 97 okay you're 21 years old I think I'm 19 19 21 carry the one I mean whatever it's close Okay a Canadian 19 or an American System it's a metri system you can drink there 19 whatever that's right so at 19 you get an audition yep and it's for American Pie yeah yeah and you go in in you're it's a teen comedy right you're not that's your expectations are probably average right yeah um so that year was there were so many teen that was like the Teen Movie like my timing was kind of perfect in terms of uh coming out to LA and and uh getting an a now getting an LA agent and sort of doing doing the whole La thing because it was every Teen Movie I I felt like there were so many great auditions and most of them were not great but I would have been thrilled obviously to be cast in in any any of them sure um and I remember this reading the script for American Pie and thinking oh [ __ ] this is actually did you think like I can't believe they're going to make this partly I could have believe that it was at a studio yeah yeah and yeah it was like I wonder how much of this is going to be cut basically I remember reading it and thinking that the [ __ ] you're like I was like that's gone that's gone no way yeah they might let her say it once but it a yeah exactly and then they'll give me the alt and yeah so uh but I remember thinking oh my God this is this is really funny this is really good I would really love to get this one but again I'm you know any of those I think it was like that year was she's all that and um there was a ton of I mean there was a ton of Things I Hate About You what's that 10 Things I Hate About You 10 Things I Hate About You I know yeah yeah you're welcome yeah yep I which I audition for I mean there were there was so many of them and uh but I remember with American Pie and it wasn't called American Pie at the time but I remember thinking called flute [ __ ] it was called flute [ __ ] yeah but again they had it change they had ch yeah to get distribution in Germany me something completely different in Germany but yeah um flute [ __ ] yeah it was [ __ ] flute they yeah they flip it and then it's disgusting cuz they do the verb or something before weird yeah so um or de [ __ ] flute I think Z good um [ __ ] flute I just want to I'm moving at the parts catalog right now I know this is going to shock you but your engine actually has a flute [ __ ] in it I'm so sorry Monica I promised you I wouldn't do this here I am I know can't help have one from stat to you in the three weeks okay uh so you go you go shoot this movie and you meet these guys do you get a sense right away like when you meet Sean Williams Scott are you like oh this dude's this perfect yeah yeah kind of everyone was like it's an incredibly well-cast movie it's really and that's what makes move like if I can p ourselves on the back for a second like without a paddle tons of people turned that movie down and it was just this whatever script was good or bad who knows but some weird magic happened between Seth and Matt and I and that just is you get lucky and and then we had the time of our life and then it was kind of tangible on screen and people liked it and so that thing you kind of hit the jackpot right those all those guys and those gals were [ __ ] awesome yep it was great and it and the experience was great I mean yeah we were so we were so young I mean we I at that point I had turned 20 um so and Eddie K Thomas he was the youngest he he and he's remained my closest friend through all of it uh the guy who plays Finch um ship break yeah someone just said ship exactly um uh he was he got his Drive I remember he he had like a week off during filming and he went he was in from New York and he came home to New York and I guess he got his driver's license cuz then he came back to set and he was like you guys I got my driver's license we were like holy [ __ ] you got driver's license like that was the biggest [ __ ] deal yeah um but yeah that whole that that those two months were pretty uh surreal one because we were all just thrilled to be working MH um no one had an ego yet right zero zero ego it was just very it was really fun it was well cast we all got along um but there was also this sort of energy underneath it all like oh [ __ ] this this is maybe going to be good like we kind of could see you know I mean you shoot some of these scenes and you've got you know you've got the crew and and people going I've never seen anything like that before like that is [ __ ] nuts and of course you go well is that that's good right like that's a good thing and so there was just that kind of energy that we were no one had seen anything like the human centipede ated either right right that's true it can also go the other way good those people on set were like I we've never seen anything like this and they were like you're like sweet that's good right that's great so uh the movie comes out is it's an immediate hit right it wasn't like one of these slow building things it just it a giant hit yeah it opened number one it was the um Red Band trailers were still kind of a uh a novelty um because they did them your AOL dial up wait 40 minutes on AOL dial up to download this trailer well that was the thing it was like it was mostly in the movie theaters I mean yes you there was online was starting to become a thing but now I mean every every R-rated comedy has the red band trailer it's out online for you and they're great and they but like the red band trailer as a as a thing it was still like wo sure like when you were in the movie theater and you saw all the trailers in the beginning it was like green Following preview has been and you see the trailer you see it and then when the red one popped up it was jar it was like what the [ __ ] is this yes and then you see the trailer and there's a dude with his dick in a pie people were like talking about it and when you shot that scene [Laughter] uh I just thought of like 80 hacky ways to bring that up as I'm sure you heard throughout the whole press but yeah your love scene uh I'm sure that was one that came up a lot uh at any point during that where you're like ooh this this is either going to propel me to start more it's over yeah there's a high that's swinging for the fence is [ __ ] apple pie a million per. yeah um did you like confer with any like I called my manager that morning okay um we actually went in so we we you know we got to set what's your manager's name uh this was at the time Brian medavoy okay so I'm Brian yeah what's up bsie what's going on hey Bri so uh I just got to set so we just rehearsed um that that scene you know refresh my memory the one where Jim he uh he [ __ ] the pie oh sure yeah yeah yeah oh yeah that's a great scene is it though yeah it's a great is it because here's the thing I'm supposed to go in there right now and actually [ __ ] the pie and so I'm just wondering in terms of my career and sort of you know things seem good right now people don't know who I am well they're going to know you after this they are going to know you after this won't be City that won't shutter when you walk in to their pie shop yeah that's what I'm worried about Brian Quick well hold on quick Pro tip uh you know uh Mickey roor and Angel uh uh uh Lisa Bonet they actually made love and and Angel Heart okay not chemist that chemistry undeniable so I'm just saying go for it well go for it Micky Ro did it okay thanks Brian okay and uh and then I fired Brian the next day that's about right yeah um but I called him and I literally so we first we went in for rehearsal and we were like blocking it out and I it was just I was just like is cuz I see your butt cheeks in that don't I yeah yeah and we shot it two different ways so we shot it uh with me standing up okay um and then we shot it of me on top of the on top of the counter yeah of the island the the kitchen Island which which I bet you were so sick of talking about this like 8 years ago but now do it again to like I I can if I'm you were anything alike so true like I I hated talking about punk I couldn't stand it and then now I'm back to I love it so that's so funny it's so true it's so true yeah so anyways you're nuts deep in this apple pie nuts deep well so so but I called him I called him by so we we rehearsed and and I went back to the trailer and I and I was like getting ready and I and I called my manager and I was like dude I'm going be honest I'm like kind of freaking out so we're about to do the pie scene and I don't like am I like am I really doing this and he and I will never forget this as long as I live he's like bigie you [ __ ] the pie you [ __ ] the [ __ ] out of that pie and don't you don't you look back man I was like okay great here go my God so it's virtually like I was pretending it was pretty much exactly like you said minus the Mickey Roar sure sure sure but he literally you [ __ ] the [ __ ] out of that pie and I was like okay fold the [ __ ] out of that pie you fold the [ __ ] out of it and G me that thing and then we went in and I did it and um again the crew was such a big part of like cuz again you're look for a you know you're really like trying to check is the second AC like is he sitting there going you know going you know what I mean that's what how you know right like cuz the director every you're kind of they've drank the Kool-Aid they yeah and and and then also becomes very technical and so the humor is always inevitably kind of sucked out of these situations at some point right like it got to a point where you know my pants needed to be adjusted I was showing too much crack oh there's my scrotum let's raise that let's it was literally like a whole thing they know this you don't know this but I had a director come raise a bit of sheet cuz you could see my anus like the actual yeah my biggest fear in life and you just know there was like nine people behind the monitors going like ooh am I seeing yeah that's that's dax's anus hole so who wants to go adjust the sheet oh Jesus man a hum humbling experence you go back to the monitors there's literally sheets over the monitors they were like you're not going to fix it on no one's looking you in the eye after like hey what's up Dax I saw your [ __ ] good great job um yeah and so did it and then you know but then it was a year right A year of like what is going to happen with this thing that we shot and and it's a big old touchdown it was a big old touchdown so awesome so you're 21 H how quickly after it comes out did they start saying you're 20 okay I want you to be 21 so bad I can't wait for you to be 21 and you're right now I will do it right now so I shot it I was 20 and then uh it came out in July of 99 I turned 21 in May right perfect timing what a sweet time to be 21 number one movie in America yeah and um how quickly are they talking about a sequel from when it comes out huh um so I'm imagining you made $5 on the first one $5 yeah and how quickly uh that's a good question um well you can lie oh sure it was like two months okay two months great I guess I'm wondering at what point do you go like oh I'm going to get paid yeah and then you start adjusting you're like oh maybe I can move into that apartment or maybe I can buy this thing yeah it was it was I think it was even before they started talking the sequel it was because I got off of that I got more work right like I was like I got other movies yeah I guess you weren't even probably thinking about that as much as like oh my God I'm going to get the star movies that long after but yeah but at first it was just like oh my God I'm getting I can get other jobs because that year was really a weird sort of time for me um but again credit to uh my manager who told me to [ __ ] the [ __ ] out of cuz he uh he he was like this is lightning in a bottle that was his another quote I had to keep remembering cuz I was like cuz I would I was still auditioning and I remember auditioning for he probably got offered something that he he probably was like you can't do this which is the hardest thing in the world to do right I'd never turn down a job no yeah an acting job I spent you know I spent to at that point 6 years trying to get any math y 21- 5 and the idea of like passing on something was Preposterous like how can and then you're also you're telling yourself like oh my god I've already gotten too B if I do this I'm I've gotten too big for my britches is all going to be taken away from me right exactly it's like how can I so it was a real struggle for me I remember getting it in fact specifically it was that pilot season sort of the pilot season that happened in the middle there um you know I was like I'm going to do a pilot right like I'm gonna do a pilot yeah let's get a pilot and uh and I auditioned for S he was like okay let's put you out there let's see but and I got offered one and he was like I don't know that you should do this I don't think it was friends I don't think he should have done it yeah yeah no but he was like you're going to pass on it you're going to pass I think you should pass so I guess then you're answering my next question which is does your um at 21 does your ego go berserk at all at when that first movie comes out and just slays are you like oh [ __ ] uh okay I mean I my [ __ ] doesn't stink uh good question I mean sure there's I mean I recognize now after years of doing this that I definitely have a healthy ego right enjo yeah but I but at that point I had also I was very cautious with the whole thing I was very um I just always was waiting for the other shoe to fall I think right and and I had already seen the ups and downs like my good prior to that all of my good news sort of came with a but this right like you're nominated for an Emmy but you're fired and you're never doing that role again right like it was always kind of like the reality of the business I had seen since I was so little right and i' gone years without working during that time and when I was a kid it's fine right I could just go to school be a kid I wasn't you know um so I always had a sense of like okay this could definitely all go away that being said I definitely had fun I mean I definitely didn't let myself um you know I wasn't like well you know I didn't allow myself I didn't not allow myself to enjoy it right I definitely this is [ __ ] amazing like this is unbelievable I mean but every young person in America within a week knows who you are right it it happened that weekend I mean I literally remember walking with my roommate to go get um you know breakfast uh in Santa Monica and crossing the street a car this was Saturday morning so the movie came out the night before and a car stopped and screamed at me through the window and they were like do the dance do the dance and we were just like my buddy and I just like looked at each other we were like holy [ __ ] yeah like that's crazy overnight right I mean and do you start when do you you start loving booze so I start loving booze probably be right I mean before I left New Jersey um I was late to it but but um wasted no time catching up yeah I didn't really but I but again because my parents were so strict I was definitely I I was I was afraid right like I definitely like thought it out I didn't I didn't allow myself to go bananas even though I wanted to could you though feel like when you got drunk for those first times did you have that feeling uh that I had where I was like oh I I was born to feel this way a million per yeah where it's like ooh I like this jacket I've been wearing yep totally I'm handsome the future's positive yeah and and when I first came to it it was sort of that I had just um the acting stuff wasn't really happening it was slow it was you know it was it was uh like my last year of high school beginning of NYU essentially but at that point I had finally like caught up socially and had some good friends and that's of course who I was partaking with so I just for the first time really started to feel comfortable and and then that the booze just sort of I was like this is it now I'm I'm finally finally our friend Gordon Keith says uh we're all born two beers away from feeling happy happiness yeah two beers away from happiness we're Bor we're just born two beers away wow um which for me is kind of profound yeah um yeah but it was when I went to LA so now when I when I moved to LA that was I mean that was my first taste of Independence right I gotten it um in small doses when I would go in and do the play at night but I would always come back to the reality of you know I'm I'm really not that guy I have to be this guy and so moving to La for me was like going to college basically it was like going to college and then American Pie literally that set those friends the subject matter I mean it was my college experience and then the the years that followed that um what I was College age you know give or take you know I was always 21 for you right yeah uh from 96 to 2003 you're 21 I'm 21 exactly and and yeah and then that's where it took off right that's where drugs came in for the first time with yeah what age do you uh start powdering your nose yeah so well I done ecstasy first in in uh in in New Jersey I think I done e was the first hard drug I had done but only like once or twice and then I went out to LA and of course found the drug friends and we we did lots of e we would do e nightly okay and then that's great for your mental health great and then and then at some point Coke happened and that was probably it was I know when it was it was the year between shooting American Pie and it coming out oh really yeah which was that perfect timing money exactly that's great yeah at that point it was still just kind of like a I mean I loved it there's a sweet spot you can run with a sweet spot for quite a while r with the sweet spot for a while that's a great way to put it yeah yeah I mean I was an at that point I was an everyday Drinker I was an everyday something right whether I was sitting around getting stoned or drinking or you know and not another way to say is is you were a good time I was great fun yeah that's right I was everyone's friend that was a good hang would you work uh would you ever work [ __ ] up I wouldn't so I was also you know I I felt like I was had it under control and I would never work [ __ ] up and I think and I remember you know entertaining the thought but I would always come back to that feeling like I had when I lived at home which was oh God if Mom and Dad catch me I'm so [ __ ] and so at that point it was like I cannot I had enough of sort of uh sense to uh not want to jeopardize any of that like I knew how sort of lucky I was um and I and I wouldn't but that being said I would still the especially in hindsight I mean I would uh I was very careless in so many other regards sure you know um where I could have you know I jeopardized all of my jobs sure sure just because I wasn't drinking or partying on Set uh lucky for me the only thing I was more addicted to was working in movies so it's like this other addiction thank God trumped the the other for me yeah the the best feeling in the world the best high and I've realized the high that I'm always chasing more than any is um is approval a work approval right like that is for me like the the high of being on a set cracking a joke even just getting that feedback for me is you know but it but the problem is this doesn't always happen right like I they're not coming home with you tonight right I mean some of them yeah some some are already folding themselves just in anticipation yeah so they don't fold too quickly once it happens exactly right that's sure yeah you're right I was able to keep the sort of work thing I was like work is the ultimate for me I mean I just loved it so much but the rest of my life was a [ __ ] quickly became a [ __ ] show right right good for you yeah I would be mad if you didn't capitalize on that juicy opportunity so with the sequels comes money yep and that then can also facilitate the other stuff right nicely and at at any point do you start getting scared of like oh no I'm going to be defined by this movie only or are you like who gives a [ __ ] I'm on a freight train and I'm happy to have it yeah I didn't think CU at this point we would both be able to recognize that to get in something like that happens to one in a trillion working actors yeah and yet we think oh we need to get another one not even thinking like oh you already got the thing that's one in a trillion a franchise that's successful yeah I I um I I didn't I mean I I was aware that it could be a thing but I also was like I knew that the reason I was doing the other jobs I was getting was because I played JY and American P right and um you were in The Rolling Stones and they entertained your side projects ex exactly yeah so that's exactly right and so I wasn't I mean I always wanted to do other things I always felt confident in my abilities to do other things I had done more drama and when I was younger but but um I also was like carp DM I mean you want to cast me as this sort of awkward teenager unlucky and love guy next door great see I think this is very cool about you um and I and and I had met you you know we met 10 years ago for the first time basic no not 10 years ago eight years ago no 10 no cuz I had three years oh you're right 11 11 years quick math 14us 3 11 you were 21 yeah 10 years away from 21 yeah yeah but yeah you you had zero chip on your shoulder you're not a chip on your shoulder type of person which is awesome thanks dude I mean I like I say that with Envy I'm a kind of a chip on my shoulder type of I mean I think I I'll be honest I think I've gotten more of one oh good um I do feel like I mean thank you it's lonely over here I know I know I feel icky but we'll we'll prove them right wrong yeah wrong I no I really I also kind of you know there's also something to being sort of young and dumb I think I was like okay whatever I do these movies now I'll always have my opport I could do that and later and da D and um I'll be honest it's it's it's only in the last couple years am I finding that it's uh become a thing or at least I've I'm more aware of it being a a thing right and that is and and by the way um I still wouldn't trade it for the [ __ ] world I I don't even know that I need to say that but I mean it's it's the kind of thing that I feel like I do need to qualify it because um I yeah I it's it was the best thing that's ever happened to me for sure career-wise and so um and all the work that I've gotten since then has had some connection to that film and its success uh but in more in recent years I found that the American Pie thing kind which is crazy cuz you would you would think it's so long ago and I've done other things and you know I I I like to think that Orange is the New Black in particular was something that is a certainly a different sort of thing but it's bait's Arrested Development right but I'm still I still kind of hear it a little bit and I and I wonder if that's you know um I think I'm at like this weird age as well 21 where where I'm I'm I'm I'm 40 right and like I'm a dad and I'm I you know the kinds of roles that I want to be playing and think I should be playing um are starting to catch up with me I think but it was a it was a few years there where I was kind of people still kind of saw me as that and so it was hard to I don't know well you and I um we have a mutual friend Don Roose who said the the most liberating thing to me which is he said I stopped thinking of my job as a career and just started thinking of it as a job cuz the career is your ego right and the job is you show up and work and you're not in the results business and that's what someone with humility just does yeah it's so true and you know I I feel like I'm sure you and I are both like this where we've always thought that but you know you kind of get I kind of got caught up a little bit in like you know you have people around you that um you know are advising you certain ways and maybe I shouldn't speak for you but for me I definitely like had a period where you know I was reluctant to do certain things the the biggest example is TV right so TV right you know those first couple years after American Pi I was very lucky had a lot of movie opportunities but the early off right around there mid 2000s you you know some TV opportunities were coming my way and my instinct was that sounds like a good job sounds like a [ __ ] great job yeah let's do I used to do TV it's been a few years I would love to do and um but the agents are like oh if you do TV I'll never be in movies again right you know and and it's not their fault I mean I believe I was like yeah no I should not I should wait I should do it and then I you know and then I was always behind playing catchup you know what I mean I was instead of being the guy that's like [ __ ] yeah I'll do TV I needed to wait until everyone else said that it was okay that you know all the other doing TV show exactly but then by the time so then I'm like okay I'll do TV and they're like we don't want you yeah guess what everyone [ __ ] off bro you're like oh [ __ ] could Sean pen I just saw an ad he's got a TV show yep I mean come on so anyway I mean well now especially the whole the whole thing has changed but yeah like we were talking about I mean um there's no it's the word almost sounds like so it's such a funny word now but content right it's all about content it is and how and people consume it in in different ways and and there's no right or wrong way and people don't judge and you know I I mean social media is the best example of the way sort of people watch well you are particularly brilliant on social media I find like I don't watch The Bachelor but I could read you writing about the bachelor all day long I appreciate that or this week go on to his Instagram this last week his wife was out of town and he was in charge of making the kids lunch and every day the lunch got shittier and shittier and shittier and at one point the lunch was just [ __ ] medicine it was like just all this medicine in a in a spoiled avocado and I was like this is some of the most brilliant work being done is on your Instagram well you know what so I like ran into the kitchen to show Kristen I'm like have you seen biggs's [ __ ] lunch story my story I like that more in the last movie I went and saw but it's F but like I looked at the numbers of the like people who watch this you know you could go to the analytics on Instagram and I'm like there's way more people have seen that than the last four movies I've done for sure yeah um but yeah but Jenny I would like to preface that it Jenny my wife makes these crazy lunches for Sid and posts them every night um with her own brand of humor but the lunches themselves are very Earnest and really she puts in a lot of effort sure and so she was out of town this whole week and I was like [ __ ] what am I I was like there's really only one way to go with this and that is the OPP yeah you're not going to over [ __ ] no I can't compete um at what point do you go like okay I I got to stop powdering my nose right yeah I feel like you told me a story about being on a golf course or something just getting real gacked out of your mind the middle of the day yeah sure Tuesday afternoon playing in a force them on like a Tuesday afternoon the other guys are like maybe a beer you know the cart girl comes around like I'll have a beer and I'm like I'll have a beer and I'm going to go to the bathroom real real quick I'll be right back and I would go and do blow in the bathroom and I remember thinking at that point like H H this is a thing this is a thing um but I think even before that I mean that's one story but like my life had started to have a lot of those stories consequences yeah and I was just like what am I what am I doing you know and um and then when I really started to sort of take inventory of my past to like I I think about you know the first time after American Pi the first movie that I did right got paid a little bit went up to Vancouver it's my first actual it's my first location shoot cuz American P was in LA and I was living there um so it's my first time on location and I have this apartment and and I had a roommate in La so I like I had my own place and it was just all of these things and the first thing I did when I got up to Vancouver uh and I wasn't 21 yet oh no was I was 21 yeah you're exactly was exactly 21 thank you thanks for reminding me that I was 21 uh but I first thing I did was went to the liquor store and I and I remember having a cart cuz it wasn't just a six-pack and a and a bottle I mean I had a cart I was like I'm stocking my apartment yeah um swinging Bachelor and I remember that was the first time I was aware of drinking alone that was the first time I was like huh I'm drinking alone but I but I didn't think of it as a it wasn't a red flag it was like huh it's [ __ ] cool yeah I could just I'm home from work home from set kick off the shoes you know get a high ball glass [ __ ] yeah you know but the but but but very quickly it was like pour the glass and one extra for Daddy put it away you know sure sure so it is really funny when you blow by these markers that in your mind were oh that's what an alcoholic does and then how when you do them you all of a sudden your situation is unique yeah right like my thing was like if you drink in the morning morning you got a real problem but if you drink Sunday morning after a rough Saturday night not a problem not a problem if that turns into like an all day thing and you need to have a little drink on Monday just so you're not sick yeah you got to you don't want to sick curb It Off by Thursday and then start that [ __ ] right back up again yeah I did that for a year and at one point I was like oh you really drink in the morning three days a week that's uh that's for real yeah but you can it's crazy the power of it's crazy yeah and and so when I first so yeah so I first I would say when was so I mean it had been H for for about a year or two I was in therapy and I would like I was so afraid to talk about I I I remember wanting to bring it up for the longest time to your therapist to my therapist that I was concerned about my drinking and drugging yeah but I knew that once I brought it up you'd get a solution that you didn't want exactly yeah then it was then I was uh accountable right then the next session I would go in and she'd be like so how's your you know did you have you know and it's like [ __ ] no so I knew that once I did it that was the beginning of the end for me yeah or at least I thought it would be and so I kept not doing it I mean I would go there hung over I would have this therapy session and I would literally there was a there was a liquor store around the corner I have like a tough thy session and be like [ __ ] I need a [ __ ] drink I would go to the liquor store and buy bottle of vodka drink some of it and therapy that's a real Testament to that therapy yep yeah no [ __ ] oh she's a great therapist uh about a year into SC I started cheating on my wife and then I uh the next year I started drinking after the appointments oh yeah so uh um but then uh then I did bring it up with her and I'm trying to think if I I remember sort of the big the big moment for me was um was Jenny saying that she was pregnant right that was sort of the you know the light bulb went off it was like wait a minute or went on that was that was for me the moment where I was like I have to well it was the moment where I thought I had to say something to Jenny cuz I had it so you know what I did I CU I had told my therapist first so I had it was probably in the months preceding Jenny getting pregnant that I was talking to my therapist about it and wouldn't you know it so I told my therapist and I was like I think I don't know I might I'd like to talk about it I mean and she was like you know I I'm not sure I wasn't sure if I was going to tell you this or not but I'm going to I've been sober for 35 years oh my God and I was like oh my God so I'm of course immediately go back and I'm like thinking about all these stories I've been telling her like oh really you had insomnia yeah ex and a [ __ ] random nose bleed on Tuesday afternoon after playing golf with three strangers okay yeah [ __ ] the random nose bleeds oh I just told story about that last night we're the worst um cast table read for oh not cast table read uh cast dinner for idiocracy uhhuh just mid meal I I always get nose beds yeah no I don't I had one and this was actually this this was one of the times where I remember thinking oh [ __ ] it's it's coming into the work world was actually a table read for a play uh and started bleeding and I had a like go and it was just like it wouldn't stop and I was like oh my God and they kept coming and checking on me Jason are you do we need to to reschedule no no no no I just [ __ ] I put the heat on in my apartment last night and it's super dry spent the night in Santa Fe last night very dry up there at elevation but anyway I feel great just give me another 3 hours I'll be right out I should be out of blood soon it's not an infinite amount of me so sooner or later this is going to fix itself oh it's great yeah um but the kids so is the kid yeah and I've SE go the opposite direction by the way well so well where they go bananas with yeah it's like they're telling themselves oh there's a kid there's a kid I got to get it together and what people don't understand about when you're having a kid un you've not had one is it actually to me I was uh N9 years sober when we had our first and I actually felt a compulsion to have my own secret life again cuz it's like oh no now I'm really accountable permanently and now I want to have my own little private life and I know what my private life is totally well that's why for me so I got so that was um so okay she found out she was pregnant on a Sunday I went on a two-day Bender good good we got to celebrate yeah to be a father you know yeah and by the way that was like champagne also cocaine and ecstasy and mushrooms like yeah champagne all around so anyway so came out of that and was like okay I got to do something and and so I told Jenny and um was she shocked or she was like yeah I think she was like okay I mean cuz you hit it kind of well I hit it very well I was I I I snuck I was a sneaky Drinker and so um partyer even I mean I would she she would like and also she was Jenny was kind of not naive just kind of um she's normal she's just kind of normal yeah she can do stuff and not care so true just like my wife so annoying so [ __ ] I know watching her have a glass of wine at a restaurant is the most infuriating thing ever it's like there's a third left she's not even thinking about it we'll get up and leave I'm like you're kid get back to that table and finish that [ __ ] wine you're embarrassing our family she's not normal she's better than normal most people are extra normal yeah Jenny the same doesn't have that what a [ __ ] such I'm so sorry to so Cy but also but also gets buzzed so easily same with Bell so it's like takes two sips and it's like I don't I'm whoa I jeez I can you drive and I'm like yeah I could [ __ ] drive off a cliff yeah [ __ ] straight into the ocean [ __ ] [ __ ] yeah the difference is is my wife goes oo like we we got super into peeky blinders we love peeky blinders so she started having like hell yeah she started having like Whiskey on the Rocks you know like a millimeter and she like she calls it her Tom Shel and she she gets a little buzz and she goes oh uh this feels great and then the next thought isn't like full panic I must maintain this feeling over life or death that's you know that's me that's where we would go yeah yeah oh for sure she's happy to if it dissipates or whatever well it became a huge math equation right I mean it was in the it was just like I can drink this and then did it but I'll have this first by myself because I need to I can't I don't want to be seen like I don't want to chug a scotch at the event but I will at home by myself so that I don't need to chug that Scotch cuz I've already chugged the scotch so I and then it's like then it's like then you add Coke into it it's like if I do now I'm too drunk I got to do a bump oh but if I do too many bumps then I can't talk and it's a whole [ __ ] nightmare it's just a lot of algebra really it's too much yeah it's too much it's we know you can't do it I mean [ __ ] yeah I compare it to like on a road trip when I'm on a really long road trip I'm like I'm going 82 if I go 82 for the next 10 hours that's 820 Mi if I go 87 that's 870 mil we'll be there and literally that's my whole the whole Drive 40 hours is I bump it up half a mile an hour yeah no so that was the that was uh sort of my you know come to Jesus moment and I um and I you know got in the program and then but then I didn't because I I think what you just said about you know becoming a parent and sort of wanting that thing and also I you know there was that part of my brain that kept saying you don't really you could do it you know and then it would go a year and it'd be like oh obviously I could do it I just wanton a [ __ ] year obviously I'm good you know and then it would fall off and then it would quickly so I've unfortunately had a lot of ups and downs but not unfortunately it's my story it's what it is and I've yeah you know and now I've been back part of it for a while so I'm I'm feeling good but uh but it's an amazing thing I love sharing that with you we've we've we've we've speaking at these secret society meetings and I always enjoy your point of view um same and uh before you go I just want to hear about um just just one of your Twitter fiascos you can pick the one cuz it's well it's newsworthy apparently I when I read your Twitter tell me if I'm crazy I it seems I'm so jealous you'll write anything people must say terrible things back and you must not care it I like I admire you're my high water mark of like being able to use that thing to go like [ __ ] you this is my sense of humor take it or leave it you can unfollow me or whatever it seems very liberating well it was it was it okay okay um I I'm I'm not not that anymore oh you're not and for a long time I was for a long time I was you know I could say whatever the [ __ ] I want it's a you know when when I first kind of found Twitter um I like I have a dark side to my humor I kind of will say and do whatever um and I found that it always sort of surprised people that the PE that people's perception of me did not match maybe because of the characters I played yeah I'm in that category I read your tweets and I was like oh he he yeah and so I I enjoyed that right like I enjoyed surprising people and obviously I enjoyed getting a reaction and being um a provocator the provoc provocative exactly so but then I got in trouble a lot uh and and I took the stance for a long time like whatever [ __ ] it I'm not doing anything wrong and mind you a lot of this sort of coincided with my last years of drinking right and for so long I was like my drinking my drugging has nothing to do with this right because I would point to a tweet that I got in trouble for where I wasn't drunk at all or on drugs see but looking back of course it was a time in my life where I was very you know a wash in sure uh it's a roller coaster up yeah my brain was pickled for sure and I'm not putting it on that but I definitely had a sort of like um you know combative side to me that I that I think the booze and drugs obviously helped yeah but um but I yeah I've I really haven't tweeted I mean Instagram has become sort of the newer thing and and I and I have to be honest like there was the one so I I was let go from uh from a job oh you were yeah that's for real and it was for real and it wasn't it was like you know something that whatever I'm I'm fine with it now but I think it really [ __ ] me up and you know for a while initially I was like I did nothing I was just combative you know what I mean I was just what did I do wrong blah blah blah and by the way if I get into it now and I'd rather not but if I were to get into the details of I would still come back to I would end up say things like but I me this this this cuz that's sort of the instinct is to do that but the truth of the matter is I [ __ ] did it right and there was someone else that didn't like what they they heard M it had to do with I could talk about the Tweet if You' like it was the um you don't have to I'm not I don't want to bring up anything El but but the fact that I I didn't realize you had been canned over oh wow okay um you really [ __ ] the bed I must yeah can't wait to read this tweet when I get home and I I no but it [ __ ] me up though it definitely [ __ ] me up cuz I that was that was though if truth but told it might have been a blessing because that was what two years ago three years ago it was uh more now yeah maybe four years ago it well I could tell you what I was doing I was doing the cuz uh your buddy's with Seth right yes love Seth so cuz he came in and replaced me I was doing the voice of Leonardo on the no I don't feel so bad cuz I love Seth and he got a job that's by the way I don't it's kind of got a happy ending we love that yeah it was for the it was I was doing the voice of Leonardo in the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle series but uh but I had done it was basically a series of tweets right whether there was one about the Pope that I made a joke there was one about Malaysia Airlines and um all right hear people going what the [ __ ] made a joke about Malicia Airlines what a [ __ ] douchebag oh my God anyway it was a [ __ ] funny tweet [ __ ] you guys uh but it was enough it was enough to get people calling uh Nickelodeon hey my kid watch whatever again I could get into like your kid shouldn't be on my Twitter feed and he's not but whatever anyway I made the tweets right and I knew that they weren't thrilled with them that's all I needed to know that that should have been enough it wasn't I tweeted more oh boy okay what I thought were inous Double Down textbook Double Down double down yeah and they were like uh we can't do this anymore like we're getting our phone is literally ringing off the hook what had happened was like sort of super right-wing group sort of just made it their mission to come after me and boycott the sponsors of the show and um and it sort of went from there and and I think it really it really traumatized me in in a way that I see now is like a really good thing I mean so you know my thing is I I I struggle with this too because I'm like no I have a comedic Persona and I have a comedic point of view and I'm entitled to make these observations and I'm supposed that's my role in society I can get real lofty about it yeah but then I have to admit to myself yeah you can do that but then you also can't sell Samsung refrigerators right yep yeah exactly and guess what I want to sell Samsung refrigerators and then you have to go you know what that's someone else's Lane there's another comedian who will do that or I'll get like I think I need to be making Sam Harris's point and I'll think I need to get in on some topic and I'll go no that's his Lane yeah you sell those goddamn refrigerators they're not going to sell themselves yep okay and they are a great product though by the way yeah I know I know the whole line washers dryers all of it yeah those Koreans know how to I didn't think they were but now that you said it coming from Dak shepher you hear my wife say it you'll be run into a Best Buy all right well you guys thank you so much for coming to the 10:00 show you really showed your true colors tonight uh please Jason bigs thank you Jason for coming thank you into the lions Monica padman my partner in crime the greatest lady other than my wife and two girls uh thank you guys so much Brooklyn [Music] who kind of be knocking at my door Monica come to check my facts some more I want to see if it got my facts right if I was wrong I won't put up a fight all I for is to atone I spoke wrong from my armchair Throne check fact for me now checka for me now cool that was good that was from Sean grindle good job Sean grindle that was great well thanks for singing that song that was nice but we're here to talk about bigy uhhuh what a sweetheart yeah wasn't he a sweetheart really nice person I really really like him yeah I enjoyed meeting him yeah and he's cute and he's funny uhhuh you know it's the whole package he's really got it all no wonder he landed that babe Jenny mhm who's also super funny and witty yeah attractive yeah they're a good pair and fertile sure they've had two kids yeah she got it all well we don't want people to think who are infertile that they that they don't have at all is nothing bad in the world hm well we don't want anyone to feel bad bad of course not but we can't say being ferti is good sure we can say whatever we want yes Jason okay all right well you said that almost all of people who suffer from Munch housin by proxy are nurses so Munch hous by proxy abusers are usually very knowledgeable about medical treatment options through experience as a patient through training as a child care provider or health care provider or through librarian internet research it says seems sort of obvious yeah definitely it was reported that in 85% of their 41 video documented cases of munchs by proxy one or both parents had training in a field related to healthc care o or in daycare now I don't really understand what that means do they mean dayare like a child care daycare I believe so they've cast a wide net in that definition yeah that was really the only number I could find mine came from stuff you should know which is a fun podcast and they have an episode on moon chowen uh that you should listen to and then it gives you the history of why it's even called Moon chowen which is a pretty fascinating story you know why it's called moonen no there was a BRI I want to say there was a German general moonen who had gone on some type of crusade and when he came back he yed all these tall tals like he encountered monsters and stuff oh and he just embellished the hell out of what had happened on Crusade yeah so just I think it's synonymous with liar yeah wow or exag or yeah yeah or someone trying to get attention I don't know if I don't think they're not lying though yeah they are they're 100% lying well no they're giving themselves often the issue so they are experiencing the issue they're not like lying and saying their foot is broken they're breaking their foot no well they're doing things but the whole thing is a con it's a lie they know they don't have cancer so they're giving they're shaving the little girl's hair and remember the one we watch yeah and even the people who have just moonshell and aproxy they are figuring out ways to fake symptoms and they trying to get a false diagnosis so that's a lie um yeah but yes and no like with with MCHS by proxy often like yeah the the mother which is common that it's the female like will poison the child and stuff and so those children are sick oh yeah but the children aren't even who were assessing whether or not they're Liars it's the person perpetuating the moonchild and whether it's by proxy or not right well yeah but if it's with not by proxy it's the same thing we're like they're the poison seon element is still real mhm but they are lying about it just happening to them or them getting them like going they go to the hospital yeah they're lying I guess yeah and saying this just happened and they somehow are smart enough to know that if they use a certain kind of poison it'll kind of trick a different diagnosis that they're going for mhm you know get your white blood cell count up or something yeah I was really scared of it because in the movie this six cense yeah Misha Barton it has it she has Munch by proxy she's a ghost sorry if this is a spoiler um well that's not the big spoiler of the movie so as long as you keep the big that's true so yeah she like comes out from under the bed and she's all pukey oh cuz she had Munch hous and by proxy her mom killed her yeah mhm what a weird Psych ological situation there yeah I was very scared of that afterwards we're still allowed to say that's bad right I think so yeah yeah oh that it's how annoying I always say that as if everyone's under attack it must get old me saying that can we still say that right yeah like I feel like they're taking away everything from me yeah yeah uh anyway so that's a scary disease I hope none of arm cherries have it it's weird that we can even call it a disease it's a psychological disorder psych I guess if we're if we're allowing people to say alcoholism is a disease then I guess we got to include Moon chow and yeah I don't think they want to be the type of person that wants to do that right no probably not no one aspires I doubt to be that yeah yeah but if I weren't an alcoholic I could imagine going like that's not a [ __ ] disease get real but they're wrong they you'd be wrong they're wrong yeah but I can see it I'd be sympathetic to someone who's calling BS on it being a disease you like no you catch a disease you can't catch Al alcoholism although you you do kind of catch it from your parents well you don't catch cancer you catch your genes from them huh oh yeah you don't catch cancer that's right you don't catch a lot of diseases that's true they just happen to your body good point and I hope I don't catch cancer I hope you don't catch cancer either but I don't want to catch Moon Chow in either either I don't want you to and I because I feel like you're going to you're going to do it to me do you think you could you could get moon chowen out from a salad bar you know a lot of those things are transferred at a salad bar and I love salad bars they're my favorite I like them too but oh they're the greatest I never really thought you know it's weird cuz I have I think I'm kind of germophobic but I don't ever think about that when I'm at like a salad bar well that's the great joke is if you love something you don't you don't care you don't give a [ __ ] people have sexual econom and stuff they're worried about STDs but in that moment they don't give a [ __ ] yeah you're right that's true what kind of salad do you make at a salad bar heavy on the iceburg mhm always some grated cheese me too mushrooms chickpeas oh okay I always mix dressings I always put at least three dressings on there oh if they've got a turkey option I'll throw that on there oh wow I'd say the bulk of my sailor bar experience it was from from Big Boys in Michigan it was Elias brother there's big boys out here it's Bobs uhhuh what was it in Georgia I don't know I don't think we have it well I think they all turned into shony by the time you were shony yes yeah most of the big boys in the South converted to shony but anyways they have that beautiful Bob's Big Boys Blue Cheese which is the star of the show so I like to try to I don't I won't overload a salad at Big Boys cu cuz I don't want anything to steal the the blue cheese is thunder oh I see and I know you don't like blue cheese crumble blue cheese but but a lot of people who don't like blue cheese dressing do like Bob's Big Boy oh wait no I've had it you have it at your house yes of course I do and I do like it yeah it's really good there's no blue cheese taste at all it transcends blue cheese even though there are chunks of blue cheese in there oh yeah wow it is great great a great dressing I make um I don't know what lettuce I don't think I have normally at those things you don't have lettuce options unless you're at like Whole Foods or something right which we're not talking about that kind of salad bar although Sizzler does have spinach on the bar oh spinach is the one thing that I'm sort of um uh a little bit weary of in an environment like that my mom told me to be scared of that and I am yeah I have no data to back this up but I feel like when I hear about some kind of leria it's generally on a darker I I can't remember a time where they said don't eat Iceberg can't remember it wait didn't it just happen Roma another dark dense green Roma is not that dark it's much darker than Iceberg yeah well iceberg is white oh while we're on the topic of salads my very favorite salad as you probably already know is a blue cheese wedge I know I think everyone knows they do I think we've talked about that oh I love a wedge yeah um okay so oh I just wanted to clarify cuz you say that or he is talking about his dad's work and how he got to take his son there was in shipping right like where they run the cranes and the shipping yes and um now that's moving towards Automation and so he said he and his dad lost his job and he said he was felt really lucky that he got to take his kid before that happened and you said yeah until it's only the computer kids who get to do it and it kind of sounded like you were saying um like children of people who work in computers but you meant little computer progeny baby computers tiny computers walking around with tiny computer legs that's right when when AI hits its peak I can only assume that they'll want to procreate sure and then they'll of course be little tiny little computers legs sounds cute it sure does Milling about the docks with the uh um but these little computers will be so smart that they won't like hurt themselves like kids babies do that's true so it's nice the kids can do whatever they want they're not going to like jump off or fall into the water I can see them losing their balance cuz I'm picturing very Cube likee little beans with with little tiny legs but they're smart enough there there's some sense that will go off before they get too close to the edge cuz they're made of computer I mean you make a great point but these drones do crash the greatest hum are programming that well I guess you're right you always got to restart everything I don't care how good it gets you know even the best now phone and computer in the world you got to reboot those things all the time yeah so maybe you lose one computer baby every 10 years but for the most part those babies are doing good yeah they're going to be they're gonna be with us yeah it's a cute thought um oh okay when he was on Broadway as a kid he said he did a play with um Dave Crum Holtz yes and we just saw Crum Holtz and something yes but I didn't know that's who it was I don't I didn't know him by name so me and you recently watched um a little bit of The Ballad of Buster scrubs yes on Netflix which Crum Holt was in he's in but I didn't know that and we didn't say that but he popped on the screen and I said is that the guy from 10 Things I Hate About You and you said I don't know and then and then today when I was doing my fact check and I was like who's this Dave Crum Holtz I pulled him up and it was that guy yeah and then I looked it up and it was the guy from 10 Things I hated he was in that yeah well that's great I I was introduced to him through slums of Beverly Hills which was a fun movie oh with Natasha Leon oh cool yeah I also thought it was interesting because I guess you know they started together in this play MH and then they were working at the same time cuz um Jason did American Pie and Crum holds did 10 Things I Hate About You and that's all right around the same time they kept at it and they were both in these popular teen movies yeah that's cool Crum Holtz has a very distinct voice yes mhm I I hope if you don't know who he is you should Google him right now so because you'll immediately know who he is if you see him Google him yeah do it okay oh we talk about the pronunciation of Economics versus economics and I gave a reasoning that I made up okay and I just want to tell people that I made that up so that's not real okay that what when during the the interview during the interview I made up an explanation that doesn't hold water and I made it up completely and everyone believed me oh right I remember that moment and I got a little bit nervous about your powers and they need to be there needs to be some kind of mechanism that checks your superpowers yeah I crossed the line a little bit yeah that's okay welcome back thanks and then I looked it up and on the YouTube pronunciation it's economics no it's economics economics yeah still don't like it you wish it was economics yeah cuz you don't like that hard e that long e yeah I like a short e you do yeah economics I bet it's because you think economics sounds um hoyy toyy yep y blue blood East Coast Connecticut trust fund old money does anyone know what the E economics of this situation are yeah economics but that's what it is all right so well they're often right those rich people they are yeah yeah it's probably why they got so rich I mean we should have been able to guess that because you you shorten it as econ you would never shorten it as Eon no that would be strange Eon tole The Power of Now that's a book eart tole that sounds familiar yeah Aaron eart Aaron eart elart Lake Indiana um e Ebony and Ivory EB and Flo all right so I I looked into what the first movie was that had a red band trailer MH and I could not find info on that it was crazy I mean I found a lot on like red band trailers but not the first movie and then I was suspish okay because I felt like that should have come up quick but he made a claim that it was the first one no he didn't it was new that whole thing was new it was new and that made me curious like what was the first one and then I couldn't find it so if anyone knows and wants to tell us you'd appreciate it I'd really appreciate it yeah all right so you said that Mickey work and Lisa Bonet Made Real Love in Angel heart I hope I said they they're rumored to have I wasn't there I didn't no oh it was in like a joke oh okay that is the rumor I've heard many times saw that there was some rumors and then I saw a lot of people saying no that rumor is not true oh really yeah did you watch the scene in Angel heart I didn't watch it but I want to based on what I was reading cuz the controversy is like it was given an X rating because of that scene and then they had to cut a lot of that out to give it our rating I I I I I don't think you could find a prettier human being ever to be on screen than her in that movie that is that that is the top of Everest in my opinion yeah she doesn't even look like a human being yeah she looks like she's uh from the Avatar films or something like a different like na'vi like too good for us mhm you know yeah yeah Lisa Bonet yeah what a beauty she is yeah and then she got with a beauty a real big Beauty Lenny Kravitz uhhuh and made another Beauty and then just when you thought she couldn't top that she marries Jason Mamoa wait Zoe kravis no Lisa Bonet is married to no Jason zo Lisa B's daughter I did not know that I did not know that sense right it does yeah makes a tremendous does it really holds I've told this story publicly so I don't mind telling here I don't think I'm breaking anyone's confidence but you know uh Lisa Bonet alltime number one I know I say that about there's a couple people I say that about I got to be a little more careful uh because of course Nev Campbell I was so in love with from Party of Five but just aesthetically for me Lisa Bonet number one met her at a party and they were together who and uh uh Zoe and Lisa yes which her name now is liloy Moon okay which of course I know cuz I'm a big Super Fan mhm well anyways Kristen said oh my gosh there's Lisa Bonet you got to go dance with her mhm and I spent the evening dancing with her M it was so wonderful oh wow yeah it was wonderful Y and then the the part of the story that then turns as that was that happened I danced with her I think I made a good impression then we ran into her at the Game of Thrones Premiere and that's when we went in tank tops that said Stark in the streets wild lean in the sheets and we put tattoos all over ourselves but I got separated from Christen sure and it was kind of a Premiere everyone was dressed up in like suits and dress beautiful dresses and I kind of went up to Lisa and I was so excited to see her again and I started talking to her and I all of a sudden felt very insecure about my outfit and all these tattoos I had all over myself so then I quickly said Kristen did it too and then I had to find Krist to back up the fact that we both look stupid that's funny I'm sure she thought it was cute I hope so it looked pretty awkward by myself if I was the only one there like that it's one thing to go as a team with Kristen but it's another thing to just show up by yourself in a tank top at a red carpet event with tattoos all over that's true yeah how old is Lisa Bonet well I don't know but she was on The Cosby Show and that's where I yeah guess The Cosby Show yeah and then there's also some famous uh riff ref about Bill Cosby cuz she did that movie and she was naked in it and he was very disapproving and he shamed her about it and look who's the [ __ ] oh my God I know there's many things to be you know offended about his story but the one thing to me that really really gets me angry is the hypocrisy the the moral High Ground he was always on preaching to people telling prior and and and uh and Eddie Murphy not to swear in the their routines you know about that he's trying to shame Lisa Bonet for being nude wow and here this piece of [ __ ] is Jesus drugging people yeah next time someone's standing in their Ivory Tower telling you about all your moral IND discretion it's a big red flag for me yeah when someone yeah when someone feels you think they'll change the name to that's a Cosby flag sure we can start that if you want okay we'll try yeah when someone appears to have all the answers they normally don't have any yeah yeah interesting well that is all that's it m there was not very many facts yeah I love them I also love you I love you what color would you say you're wearing cuz I would say red and then you would disagree I'll say red I'll meet you at Red okay little orange in there it's an orange red yeah it's really making that brown skin pop yeah nice pop [ __ ] skin oh no don't say that but we should recommend those two documentaries we watched yeah we watched two documentaries one called White right I think so yep about a a British female of Pakistani descent and her experience with racism and she goes and sits down with a bunch of white Nationals that's fascinating and then hit me with the name of The Accidental courtesy accidental courtesy also amazing about Daryl Davis uh jazz musician who similarly befriended a lot of clan members and convinced many to leave yeah we watched them in very close proximity to each other and it was a lot of feel bad and feel goodness I agree feel Badness and feel goodness yeah and I and I and I um I was able to see my own hypocrisy a little bit what way well if you recall I was able to sympathize with some of these white nationalist cuz I could just see that they were really lonely rejected human beings that were willing to accept any ideology to have some friends M like I could I was able to see it through those stories yeah and I realized that I would not be as Keen to observe that in an Isis member and I realized it was just a failing of my own empathy because they don't look like me yeah and I need to remember that yeah that's oh that's great yeah yeah and you were having a little more a little bit harder of a time than I was being sympathetic to them well no I wasn't I was I was sympathetic but it I guess sometimes I get worried that the sympathy for them will shadow the the the sympathy for the victim that's what I get worried about in in those conversations but I was very very well I don't think yeah I I I would imagine your fear is that through sympathy you there somehow would be tolerance for their behavior so I have zero tolerance for their behavior um but I have a ton of Sympathy For What would lead you to that bizarre Place yeah yeah I None of the people in this documentaries were like crushing it their whole life and decided to you know start marching around with tiki torches yeah and and there was all these moments where like when they were face to face with her in the white nationalist one they like felt so uncomfortable like she'd ask them straight up like she'd read tweets and that would say they called her [ __ ] skin which is what started this conversation yeah exactly and they asked her like stop stop saying that I I don't want you to call yourself that it was so weird yeah and then for me was just like oh my God just the answer to all of this is just diversity just having exposing young people to all the kinds of people I always say that but I really like this was such a good um indication of where it can go if you don't do that well some of the people in this documentary are talking to her and she is the first Muslim they've ever spoken to and then Daryl Davis's case a lot of the people that he's the first black person they've ever talked to but regardless yeah yeah I did recognize my own failings my own empathy failings interesting it's harder for me to find that sympathy and forgiveness when the people don't look like me yeah can't imagine I'm alone I I can't either I think that's why we have problems but yeah that's yeah you have but good on you mate yeah all right love you bye love you [Music] a