Legendary Actor Jon Voight on the KGB’s Plan for DismantlingAmerica and His New Role in Reagan

all right John Voit in studio a legend who doesn't seem to be slowing down Reagan is the new film and uh it's got a lot of people in it you're you're going to recognize and we'll tell you about that in a second uh but also John I mean Midnight Cowboy and um Deliverance forgot I forgot about you in Deliverance also uh the champ tear jerker there uh one of my favorites and I tell Eric Roberts every time he comes on runaway train I I have that in my list of movies where I go you haven't seen runaway train and they go no no if I know that one I go you're going to love this movie it's such a good movie I look look um Deliverance is a good movie and Midnight Cowboy a good movie but pretty much everyone I know has seen those runaway train is different I don't know everyone has seen that movie and it's just great yeah well I I agree with you it's a great movie and it's also kind of fun to see John play the like a real heavy in it real scary guy lets his fist to his talking yeah it it changed my career that movie it's a big story about that movie how I decided to do it all but uh well tell it you can share it with us oh it's a scary thing I can't can't do it can't it changed your career though well it changed my career because it it it had the effect that you just mentioned which is people saw me as a certain kind of actor and a c in certain kinds of roles and didn't see me as a heavy right so didn't think I had that kind of gear and when I did it it opened the door to several pieces later like my roll in heat right and the Ray Donovan eventually sure and different things so so it gave me another another couple of years I think actually um and so now I don't know em something sound a little oh there oh is that something sounds a little tinnier off or something but anyway Dawson's had to run home so we don't but that sounds good was it me no no no just uh when you wear the headphones and you do this times a thousand times a year you start to realize some little minute little sounds sound a little bit very sensitive I'm very sensitive yes I have hypervigilance I think it's called Stuff bugs me uh-huh I'm a perfectionist mentality that's what the that's what bothers people about me oh do you have the perfectionist mentality I guess I do yeah how does it manifest itself well I of the way I the way I I see things uh in my work you know uh I I want to get it just right and I want to go that extra if I see something that's not authentic it bothers me and stuff you know yeah and then so you get kind of a accused sometimes of being a pain in the butt or something people are much more kind to me actually they say John would you take it easier you know like that it well if you make a film you will be driven insane by tons of little inconsistencies that you try to point out while you're making the film and then people will tell you nobody cares nobody's watching no one's going to know about this I think in some sense that's true but when you you know when you written gear and things are going everybody knows it you know it's it's it's just U it's little things you know that you're adjusting to and all that my my work with Dustin Hoffman was um I mean it was a great great film Midnight Cowboy and Dusty is a tremendous actor and he has the same thing I do you know so we were actually we felt very familial and we were very comfortable well it's reminding me of a a story which is I think and Joe's going to have to look this up I'm still know why these mics sound a little bit different than normal but I think that's a Dawson thing I maybe it's better maybe it's sounding better you know what I like your I like your spin on this it's got a little Hollow Dawson had to leave so Dawson did something a little different and it's a can't quite figure it out but anyway I'll I'll move on with the story without being this is my hyper vigilance is bothering is it a chunk of gum that's on the oh my God let me there we go there we go so I filmed a movie a boxing movie so we both have done a boxing movie and my movie is called the hammer and nobody saw it which is fine but it was highly it it it's uh 82% with the critics and 90 with the people on Rotten Tomatoes so good a good score been all right so I think I filmed that movie in the boxing gym I think it was the Ray Donovan boxing gym wow which would have been out here in South Central or whatever downtown something yeah somewhere out here right Y and somewhere in East we reconstructed that gym in in Sony lot oh you we actually re redid the whole thing so you didn't film at the gym you filmed at the representation of the gym yeah I can't remember whether we we when we did the trailer when we did the um uh the first episode which was to see if we're going to have a movie you know the the trial run I think we shot it there downtown and then when we were given the green light we rebuilt the thing in in the in the lot well we'll see if we can find a picture of my movie and a picture of Ray Donovan but I think we filmed at the same gym or somebody said something to me to that regard but so you're a detail person yeah this is a funny thing to get off I've never I've never opened like that you know with this kind of Revelation about my well I the reason I I bring you bring it up I bring it up that we talk about it is because it bleeds into other facets of life and and the detail ends up making me frustrated because I'm like what are we doing you know like when I see you drive along the freeway it's um you know it's raining outside and I see the sprinklers on on the side of the freeway spraying all over while it's raining outside and then I see the sign say conserve water you know and I'm like what are we doing what are we doing I can go to Home Depot and I could get a rain sensor for $18 why is the city doing this why are they running their and no one else knows and no one else cares but to me it's bothersome what I'm saying but are you is that do you have that wiring as well not on those things you know I probably wouldn't uh in my work I'm a little bit you know like that but I'm trying but but there's another aspect too when it's right you know you just try to get to the point where you're out of control in a sense as an actor you're you you're not trying to guide anything right trying to let it go right uh and every take's a little different too because you're listening and you're things are happening so uh uh so in some way I'm being a little tough on myself but I but if I get to a thing with an editing thing and I see something wrong I really want that fixed and and it stays in my mind you know until it does get fixed has it been 60 years I think we fixed my mic a little bit there what was what was the setting that's what drives me it was the gum every single time there's a mic problem the answer is always I didn't touch a thing then you go really I didn't touch a thing it's different I didn't touch a thing and they go oh the Fade's up too hot yeah someone put the fade up to and I go okay something all right you've been going now now it went back again that's interesting you see the people at home are really going to be in trouble they hate me 60 have you how long have you been acting is it 60 years like uninterrupted uh I've been acting since 196 61 something like that so 63 63 years of 62 years of pretty much that's all you no I mean uninterrupted right yeah what's the longest Hiatus you have I uh I I don't know I had some lean years you know I couldn't find work easily but I filled it in with stuff you know but uh anyway I've been very fortunate you know very fortunate and uh I've had my I've had to go to school and learn things and and uh you know uh face face inadequacies of different kinds and work through it but I made a decision when I was in colle I went to college in Catholic University in Washington DC which says an awful lot that is that where you grew up in that area uh I grew up in yoner New York MH and then I went to and then I went to this University and I enjoyed being there and I kept asking the girl mostly girls cuz girls were interested in talking to me to hearing a guy talk about things I wanted to find out what I should do when I got out so I would say should I be a teacher should I be I was an artist a little bit should I be an illustrator should I be this should I be that whatever it was and they would listen you know and I get and I did that almost from the time I entered the university because I was worried I didn't know what I was going to do when I got out but U I had some success as a kid in doing doing a little play for my sixth grade and then in high school I was in the musicals and I and I got a lot of attention for that you know but I didn't take it too seriously and and in my junior year in uh at the University I was going into my senior year in the summer of of that break I was walking across this campus and I had in my hands a book and I looked at the book and I said why am I carrying this book around and it was a book of criticism from critic a British critic of the British theater and IID I had made notes on every Lawrence Olivia performance and I looked at it and and I knew what he was doing he he would making choices as an actor to illuminate the play it was so that the ending would come with a certain power and uh I and I none of the other actors were doing that you know I just could see what he was doing and I looked at it and in that moment I said I know what I what I want to do I want to be him I said that those words actually said I want to be him be Lawrence Olivia which was I mean crazy but that's what I said and and so in that moment I knew that I was going to do my last year in school and go and begin my studies in New York and become you know out of work actor in New York trying to get a little job to keep going and and and follow a career and I knew in that moment something something was was evident to me that I would hit spots where I was trouble and uh I'd go up and down but I wouldn't give up somehow I actually said that to myself at that moment I knew I wouldn't give up and after that I had no doubt about I never asked that question again I finished that school year and I went to New York and I started looking for work and and uh learn learning from a teacher and stuff like that now do you believe there's something Divine about that or do you believe it's all sort of internal is it Kismet is it meant to be is it pre-ordained is it luck like what are we calling it there's you know some people very high people I think people I admire say it's all written everything is laid out you know and we have this mysterious thing of making choices but it's all written I think in some ways it was like that I I think I was meant to do what I was doing and and uh and I and I'm very grateful for it I'm you know I really love what I do and I love stories and I can trace it to I can trace that uh delight and and the joy of telling stories to my father who told us stories when we were kids when my two brothers and I how was your father you know usually I didn't go to college but so nobody paid for college I didn't go to college so the expectation level wasn't very high for me after high school when did you realize you were so smart I because I I think you're really smart maybe later tonight time is it you're a smart guy yeah well I I for me where I come from being smart had to translate into a grade or test score or a Scholastic type of smart so what happened with me is I didn't learn to read or write as a young person and so I did not excel in school because I didn't read and I didn't write so was this a dyslexia or was it was it just uh you never were introduced to them so uh my my upbringing is unique I grew up out here and it's not that unique but I I grew up in the North Hollywood with the sort of a poor family welfare and food stamps and just sort of a downtrodden family but my mom was a hippie and my mom that's how I learned to hate hippies but my mom had this idea that I her kid should go to some sort of Freer range School some sort of hippie it's like a 70s hippie Billy Jack you know that was the model you know and they shouldn't have to sit there and learn arithmetic and and conjugating verbs and things like that they should just be experimenting and dancing and doing art and it was a it was a there's shades of it now in our society you see it now or like these you know we got to connect with these kids and there shouldn't be test scores we shouldn't be judging them on you on the curriculum and so on so so I ended up in that environment right well that environment didn't teach you how to read and it didn't teach you what a verb was or a noun was you just hung out and listen to a guy play an acoustic guitar and try to memorize a Joan bayz song and then you go make something out of clay and and and and that was about it and so it was good in that you got you interacted a lot you know you call the teachers by their first names the the parents were all kind of hanging out probably high and H you know and there was nothing scholastically so then at some point that ended and now I had to attend public school and by the time I got to public school so how old were you I was showed up at the fifth grade wow in public school but I couldn't read or write the same way you couldn't read or WR if you're a feral child like if you're just raised in a cabin in the woods and you never saw a book I you don't instinctively know how to read or write it's not dyslexia I I never learned so then I got thrown into a situation where I didn't know how to read or write I was a horrible student and I was humiliated I was embarrassed I I didn't want I didn't want people to know you know I got called up to the chalkboard to write girls and boys for the for the PE thing and I spelled girls gurur LS when I was it's not the way spell when I was I don't know 12 or something so I didn't know anything so I just hid and then later on I got out of high school and I just dug ditches you know and so I didn't know anything about being smart you know and and by the way you were called dumb because my I my high school I I graduated 4 what was it 498 out of like 550 or something man I was real down the totem pole and so I just figured I was dumb so I just dug ditches so I never had any anyone go smart cuz smart was attached to school and I was never good at school well it's it's interesting that I said that that I you know that you responded in this way I'm so glad to hear all of that uh but you are really smart so um it just shows you that there are different kinds of ways to you know to express that um I um and and one listens to that and admires you for going through all of that because it must have been very difficult as it as you know your old your own self-image and your feelings about things well I difficult for me I was just like look you're not smart so you better learn how to swing a hammer and do something that doesn't really require you know High intellect certainly nothing that would involve writing or reading or anything of that nature so I'll go to the place that's furthest away from that and that's a construction site you don't have to read anything you don't have to recite anything you don't have to spell anything you have to do that stuff but you have to be smart you have to learn like how to build and really what you have to learn is what not to do next time when you make a mistake and and also it's really just about me mentorship and not even good mentorship it's like hey dip you're doing it wrong and then you look down and like you do the first time you cut a piece of plywood some guy who's been doing it for a while will go listen it's all frayed out take the t-square put it on there take your utility knife score it and then cut it so it doesn't Fray You know and you go oh okay I'll do it that way and then they go oh by the way the bottom comes out cleaner than the top because of the way the blade is turning on your hypoid saw and you go oh so the cleaner Edge is on the bottom so I should cut this upside down and you just get tons and tons of that it's just guys telling you all day every day you're doing it wrong here's how you do it now and you just try to remember every single technique and tip they give you and then at some point you know eight years goes by and you you're now a carpenter you don't do it in the first three years it's too much you know to retain there's eight Penny sinkers 16 penny sinkers 10 Penny sinkers ring shank nails common head Nails duplex nails they it goes on and cuphead finish nails you know what I mean it just keep going and going and going you can't memorize all that stuff unless you've been there for for 10 years so for me I just went look you're not a good student maybe you're smart or you're not smart doesn't neither here nor there but just go build houses for a living yeah and when did you discover that you had a wit I always knew I liked it you know it was like a fun thing for me like if you like to dance and some music came on at a party and you might dance and then you were sort of sort of like oh that guy's a better dancer than some of the other guys but it didn't not mean you're going to be a dancer it was just something you did you know something you liked and so for me it was like oh this is a natural setting for me just to screw around somebody like you do the same thing somebody says something you say something back yeah you have you play with it a little bit but there still was no you did you have a father figure in your life I my dad wasn't really a father figure he was just a father just sort of there you know but there wasn't a lot of toage going on I guess for me it's like every older construction guy I walk walked onto a job site with sort of became that sort of teacher Mentor but it was also kind of drill sergeant too you know they weren't they didn't cuddle you they're like hey dip and and that's pretty cool actually I was I was fine with it form of respect in a way I was like if these guys are taking the time to show me how to do something then they must be invested or have some thoughts about me they're they're even if it's coming across in a kind of hor way and they're Gruff but the guy's still taking the time to show me how to do the router you know and and I liked it and that's all it is there is no books there's no manual it's everybody just telling the next guy that comes AC comes around here's how it's all you know it's like 2,000 years old it's word it's all verbal right there nobody reads nobody has a schematic I mean they have a plan for the house but everyone's just passing along these yeah techniques you know and they sit there and they go oh you do 45s on your baseboard I do I do Cove joints you know and you go how's a CO coping joint you know and they go we got a cut of 45 and chops on get a coping saw out and you're like oh how's that work like they start you see oh there's a new way to do this and they like it but I mean it's not probably not so different than acting and that you can't really read a book on it look it's very impressive what you're saying to me but I remember when I was uh growing up there was a carpet Factory down at the bottom of this hill in Yonkers and by the way I lived at toward the top of this hill where Public School 5 was that I went to school and my father went to school there and and uh uh and I had a good time growing up in this neighborhood a lot of kids and it was so so different than today because we could stay out late and come in you know uh when my mother shout come on in you know and people were running the kids were running in and out of each other's homes and stuff like that very freely and it was a good time growing up but when we used we used to watch television when I was in my teens my father this was the early television see this in the 50s and so we had three channels that's it you know and one of the channels every Saturday night Sid Caesar would have an hour and a half show with Sid Cesar show of shows your show of shows right and and Sid Caesar I became infatuated with Sid Caesar because my father thought he was a genius and so then I was saying okay he's a genius and he used to do all sorts of accents and he would you know he would imitate movies he would they would do if there were Japanese movies at that time they can't like rashan or something they would do their version of rasham with Sid and Carl Riner and igin Koka and I said and and my the myth was that my my my uh my father told me that Sid hung around the carpet Factory at the bottom of our Hill and he all these immigrants were working there and he got his characters and accents and different his love for different accents from there and Sid would be able to do any kind of an accent he would imitate he would do this gibberish but it sounded like Italian or it sounded like German or sounded like Irish I what Irish is English of course but but he um he had this thing and I used to imitate him and he had a character that was the the professor who knew nothing and was the expert on everything right and he would say you know this is the reason I'm on this show is because you understand you have a sensitivity and you can see in my eyes and in my expression of my body that I'm a genius and that's why you have me on the show to ask you how how I become a genius and how I become a genius is simple you just just wait that's it you wait until you know something and then you say it and that makes you a genius you see me like that whatever I just did my little improvisation of s Caesar but uh but anyway that whole idea of PE of that mure you know people that's where the real that's where I really that's what I really loved I loved that idea of learning from people who were speaking different accents and came from different places how much of it was because your dad really liked it and maybe I think a lot looked up to him because I did look up to my dad but he also was a great Storyteller he was a he had a wonderful voice and uh he had three boys one year apart what's the what's your heritage uh my mother was German had her parents were German my father was Czech and uh so far as I know if you go to these places now you you get some kind of an idea of what your makeup is you know it's your father was maybe a blunch by the things I'm trying to think cuz I had a something stuck with me not that he knew not that they knew anything about their I wasn't raised to have any lineage in any way I was an American you know yeah yeah I agree I I have a step-grandfather who's Hungarian named Lazo gorag and he just told stories and told stor and told stories and he was a he was a writer and he was my step-grandfather I know either one of my biological grandfathers but at some point somebody told me the hungarians are storytellers you know and it stuck with me and I was like oh that kind of makes sense cuz my no one in my family spoke and then my grandfather would just had sleep over every night you know the stories he would just tell me just wax Poetics I wonder if the Czech thing is in there somewhere with the Hungarian world I really don't know how my dad but I had an IDE I have an idea about it what did he do for a living he was a golf professional what yeah I didn't know you could be a golf professional back then oh yeah he was a golf professional and he was a very talented uh upand cominging golfer and then at 18 years old he was coming back from a tournament with a packed car was he wasn't driving and the car hit them head on and he he had a back he staying a back injury that prevented him from playing go playing the topnotch you know professional golf he had to leave the tour and uh and yet the people at the club that he represented a Jewish German Jewish club uh loved him and said no you're going to be our professional you'll be our teaching pro oh so he a so he's a club pro wow and he was with us in instead of being on the tour he was with his family MH and uh that was great that was a real blessing for us and I had we were one year apart as I said I was the middle and my dad would come back from teaching all day MH and after dinner uh we lived in this little apartment we all had one room little room actually and there was a doorway to the kitchen and my mother was cleaning up after dinner and I heard those sounds and then my dad would lie down uh we had a bunk bed so we' we'd share I was the bottom my brother Barry who was the eldest had his own bed and my brother uh chip was upstairs of me you know in that little bunk bed and when it was his turn to get the story told next to him he would come down to my bed and I jump up upstairs and my father would lie down with one of us every night and then every night tell you the story really pretty much every night he would coming back from the tea so he would say well what where were we let me see you know whatever and he started to and he give us a menu you could have a story of from his own life and he became this a character in his own story Little Elmo Elmer was his name and he and those were my favorite stories and uh and he tell of his adventures when he was a young kid you know and uh then he had espionage stories because it was second world war you know MH and he would tell us stories espan make them up and then make up night and shining armor stories which were not our favorites because they always had to do with Romance of some sort you know so so we we wanted that Espionage but we really liked the ones he told about his own upbringing but he had a wonderful way of selling to and he did them you know extemporary he did them off the top of his head right and he just had a great and I I knew at that time I was listening and I'm saying and I'd see the beginning the way he set it up and the middle and then I figur trying to figure out how he's going to end it so I became in involved in the process of it you know so I I'm still the same the beginning middle and end that's what I do was he able to see your success as an actor he did yeah before he passed and he he was hit by another another automobile killed him really yeah he had a a crash his mother my mother was driving and three girls who just came from a garage apparently for their breaks went through a stop sign and and hit him in the side of his car that he was at what year was that it was oh what was when he was 63 it was quite far back it was in his in the 80s in the 70s but he got to see it's funny I don't remember the date it's funny I remember I was making a movie called conr at that time so so it was uh he got to see Midnight Cowboy he got to see Midnight Cowboy and he got to see Deliverance too oh okay you know so uh he knew I was on the on the way wasn't wasn't a one onead guy you know was your mom okay from the accident she had a crushed heel wow and maybe some broken rib or something like that and she my mother was tough and great just a great woman and she got out of the car she crawled out of the car and and got my father out of his side and pumped his chest while waiting for the police to come and wow and he died got him got him back got got no but she but he was really brain dead he he was done you know but uh she got him breathing again and she was trying to bring him back wow so the big one wanted 18 than the big one at 63 yeah yeah cars used to be really dangerous back cars are dangerous in the day I mean now they have airbags and crumple zones and they're a little safer a little safer than than they were but back then man the technology and the drum brakes and the buys ply tires you know all that stuff well I do race cars yeah yeah yeah I I do know all that stuff and they're quite a bit safer than they used to be so um tragic but at least he got to see you were on your way yeah he's a beloved man my 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stamps.com stamps.com use the code Adam that's a blessing to have a wonderful dad you know the kind of dad that you respect and that you speak highly of yep I was very fortunate know it really it really is I mean it's it's it's a little luck of the draw obviously you don't you know it's not your choice good or bad MH but a good dad is like the best you know we always talk about when they talk about like white privilege like the best privilege you can have is two parents and two parents that care you bet and that is the ultimate that is much better than any color of any skin or any religion or any Heritage is having two good parents and especially good dad that hangs out Y and does the job and so we look at our history and I when we deal with it politically even even today we're we've been attacked in that area I I carried this book with me I walked in with it so I'll just say it it's Dr Ben Carson's book called the perilous the peril fight mhm and it's a and it says the the subtitle is overcoming our culture war against the American family and it's exactly that what you're talking about and and by the way it has some relevance to this movie I did Reagan right I play a um a KGB agent who was assigned to follow Reagan and in in doing my research on it I came across this fellow who was a dis ENT and wound up in America was a KGB agent and his name was Yuri basmanov oh yes and uh and he talks about the attack on the American family as one of the techniques not only taking over the schools not only taking not only taking God out of the schools but taking over the uh the media taking over Hollywood well you know you know all of that stuff that they that was planned by the KGB and early part of the 50s maybe mean you have to and you can watch that tape of him speaking from the 80s I'm just looking at my guys but by the 86 87 year bond off is basically laying out the 84 laying out the recipe for what it's going to take so to overturn this is we we are so here's what we do which is which is an interesting thing um most countries all countries do not really have the ability to take us over with an army I mean they can't invade the United States and occupy the United States um but there's a cheaper easier way that doesn't involve any troops or any Jets or whatever they're they're inferior to us from a military standpoint but what it can do is basically have us argue about race and make our kids Dumber uh every every generation and then eventually they can just come in and mop up because if you're too fat and you're too dumb and you're too busy arguing about nothing uh then you're your target gets a little bigger you get a little easier to take over so we play into their hand because we sit here and argue about gender while they're just training their troops over there exactly and the thing that's interesting about it is we don't even even when the evidence is presented to us it does not stop us so some of us some of us sorry you and I would stop we the only we're the only two people they there was a and I'll I'll get a little wrong here but they were talking about Russian collusion for a million years and certainly the last four or five years Russ Russian collusion is another thing well they were talking about it a ton and then some data came out and it turned out that it was really Russia's involvement was very limited politically to at the time Hillary Clinton and Andor Donald Trump it was mostly race related stuff to get us fighting about race not so much Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump and then we found out that's what it was and we went right back to fighting about race and just said Russian collusion we never listen yeah was there's a little more to that but but essentially you you're saying a truth I believe uh what they have done over and this is over many decades uh is have us um embattled over race over gender over age many things and meanwhile they're inserting themselves into our society with the teachers that they placed in certain positions to overtake the universities and schools and and Hollywood was a a Target of theirs all of this and it's all in in in this little book that that uh that Ben Carson put out I recommend it highly it shows you um much of that and uh gives you the information that there there was information put into our uh uh our uh uh Congressional Record in 1963 that really showed you the whole you so we knew it you know what I mean it it was placed in a in a very obvious place for us to take take some lesson from but we didn't no well we're we're so prone to this argument and so what I call it is this it's not a conspiracy theory it is a sort of likeminded people in certain positions which is to say you take a look at college campuses you take a look at the politics of the average Professor on a college campus or you take a look at the average politics of a high school teacher or Junior High teacher and their politics are a certain way they believe a certain thing and they and they have certain doctrines that they follow and what I say all the time is if they were just vegetarian let's just say all college professors were just vegetarian they're not there's a few vegans in there uh no if they were it wouldn't take too long for them to start talking about tofu in the middle of their History exam because people can't keep it to themselves it's like I like cars and when I start talking eventually I'll start weaving some car stuff in because that's what I like you know right and at a certain point the kids learn that if you show up with a loaf sandwich to Mrs sag's class she's a vegetarian and that may not help your final score very much if you're sitting there with a meatloaf sandwich and by the way she doesn't Live and Let Live she's a vegetarian she does not tolerate you in your meatloaf sandwich and So eventually people would start to learn yeah well you pick up the veggie sub as well otherwise it could affect you negatively and you need that and the the thing they figured out in the last 10 minutes is why are we waiting until College because by then sometimes the cement in your mind has dried and they can't put their initials in it with a stick boy this is so beautiful the way you're saying this it's really amazing it's perfect and I started thinking during Co you see how smart you are no that's only you no I'm I'm serious about this I said why do they need 2-year-olds to wear masks you know what I mean what good first off they're wearing it around their chin their nose is hanging out you can't you can't have a 2-year-old effectively wear a mask even if a Mas work for Co which it doesn't but why the two-year-olds and then I came up with a phrase I call crate training I said you got to get those puppies when they're when they're young you got to get the pups young and then you crate train them you can't take a middle-aged dog and crate train it it's too late you got to get it young and what's the crate training what does it really mean well the the pup thinks it's safe in the crate but what if the house is on fire as long as it's in the crate and the crate could be in the middle of the house and the house could be on fire but it will go to the crate and get in the crate because it thinks it's safe in the crate and you train young pups to do that you got them for the rest of the time and so they figured out why don't we get the 2-year-olds why don't we get everyone coached up young and then we'll have them for the rest of the time be as smart as you are that's right that's what we're learning here no that's the truth though yeah and and then that's where the weird obsession with kids comes all all the time I mean Co never harmed kids it didn't harm healthy kids at all to the point where statistically is zero but yet this weird obsession with grabbing the kids and it and it works and it's effective so why wait till they get to College it's yeah well we've seen a lot of crazy things haven't we yes now the the tough did I say that right I'm an actor you we've seen we've seen a lot of crazy things haven't we hey Johnny that's good why don't you give me three give me three takes we've seen a lot of crazy things haven't we dick German accent good yes now uh what what would your dad sound like if he was saying that well he'd probably say boys not everybody is nuts but there are a lot of nuts so the question is is why is this attractive to such a large percentage of our society that's what I keep trying to sort of wrap my mind around well propaganda does work you know yeah it so if you're watching three you know the networks on television and you're listening to certain people uh you're going to get swayed if enough of that gets into your head uh so the protections first of all we didn't we weren't alert to it you know but um now we see the results of all of that when the college campus erupts in this anti-Semitism let's say or any of this stuff they love Palestine yeah all of a sudden yeah it's insane it's really something so uh anyway we're we're working against something that's been inlaid for quite a long time because it's a very patient process they had have uh a three layered you know uh attack on us and each layer takes at least 20 years so they they were they were patient and they and it turns out that if you listen to the the um major universities in our country the people who represented them uh the presidents of those universities and what they stood for I they really got to it they took took them over yeah you can see what you're dealing with you're dealing with people who really are and anti- American how do you navigate Hollywood because Hollywood is sort of they've done it to Hollywood yes pretty well it's the nest for a lot of this stuff and they they're smart they college campuses Hollywood they get the message out well Lennon thought you you got to get uh the storytellers you got to movie industry he was focused way back then at the movie industry before there was sound yeah so it's not easy for people that think like us to navigate uh Hollywood because so much of Hollywood doesn't think like us and they're not a Live and Let Live group they like not presently no no I I you tell me I so here's my thoughts but you've you've experienced it as well I I don't think there's such a thing as negotiating with these people I think it's basically Elon Musk has to buy Twitter Twitter and that's the way it'll fix it it's not explaining to Big Tech that they're doing the wrong thing by censoring this that and the other it's not appealing to these people's sensibilities it's more like we just need to kind of break off and do do your own thing like you know Reagan I know the producers I've worked with these guys before it I I know Dennis Quaid I know I know who you're working with and and it's like they just broke off and just said we just have to go do our own thing somewhere else I you know Ben Shapiro is not going to hang out in Hollywood and navigate and end up on Netflix with specials he's going to go move to Nashville and start the daily wire it's it's kind of sad but I think maybe the only answer it's very sad um one of the things that's sad maybe the saddest to me is that the children aren't being taught of the greatness of the of our country they're not taught about the revolution War right you know if they talk about the revolution they say well no it's dismiss all those people there's no Heroes among them because they all own slaves or whatever it was yes you can't find it on Google you can't find anything representative of the greatness of our country on Google it'll pass you to something else they're tearing down statues and by the way exactly how is it possible to be happy and tear down statues simultaneously you know I mean I know well you you're in the construction business business and it's a lot like that Joy you know it's just the reverse instead of building something you're tearing it down you see but the same equipment it's really it's it's I there's a the greatest clip and it I hear there's certain Clips I'd go to every couple of years cuz they're so spot-on and indicative but it's Nancy Pelosi oh boy and someone is saying to Nancy Pelosi it's about five years four or five years old now but we've played it on this show more than once but it's so telling somebody says to Nancy Pelosi who's basically third in charge of of this country people are tearing down statues at night with no permits or anything don't you think this should be discussed and she goes all right we have you have to really listen to her she goes I'm not really into heirlooms like we're talking about Grandma's brooch or something and she ends it with people are going to do what they're going to do which is I would say the opposite of leadership people are going to do what they're going to do and also how about you have this Carefree approach to me adding a a second story to my house like hey I don't need a perid I'm just goingon to government I'm just doing what I do you know what I mean chillax Nancy all right this is the greatest answer uh John enjoy this uh this sound bite from Nancy Pelosi oh boy the sound is never up it's a weird thing here it's unfixable I've realized so I have that Pride uh but I don't care that much about statues should that be done by a respectfully shouldn't that be done by a commission or the city council not a mob in the middle of the night throwing it into the harbor people will do what they do it it's it's a yeah this is clinically insane this is insane that she's like shouldn't be done by mob in the middle of the night right people are going to what they're going to do this is a person that's governing this this country is saying that people are going to do what she doesn't care now what she's really saying is the people that are tearing the statue down are on my side so I can't say anything about them because those are all Pelosi voters like th those are my people but there was another there was another great one somebody kept taking a pickaxe to Donald Trump's star on the Walk of Fame and they got hold of the police not the police chief but the chief of the police Union and they're like don't you think it's a bad idea to take a pickaxe to Trump's start in front he's go hey what are you gonna do and he starts laughing and he walks away and it's like we can't have two systems here either stuff's legal or it's illegal and tearing down statues in the middle of the night also you have to understand you're in some sort of position of power you're supposed to feain some out like oh people in the middle of the night tearing down statues I don't stand for that she just goes people are going to do what they're going to do and she shrug she literally Shrugged when she said it yeah oh she is so bad but yes yes well I was going to while you were speaking I was looking up in this book uh the list of the the menu of the KGB right and off yeah and um and one of these things is uh one of these things is get control of the schools use them as transmission belts for social socialism and current communist propaganda soften the curriculum different things like that right yeah and then it comes to this contined discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression an American Communist cell was told to eliminate all good sculpture from Parks and buildings substitute shapeless awkward and meaningless forms wow you know I mean they get right down to very specific detail you know what I mean they know what they're doing so so Nancy is obviously uh it's effective been been overtaken by some of this stuff you see I don't know if it's I like to play the game stupid or liar like I don't know if they're lying or they're stupid or or if they believe I don't I don't know what they think the I don't know what they think the end game is you know there's um you want to defund the police like what do you think the end game is you know you want Sanctuary cities what do you think the end game is you want all in all electric cars without upgrading the the The Fleets have been upgraded but not the system hasn't been upgraded the grid is not upgraded what is the endgame what do you think's going to happen well you're a smart person and it's very hard for you to understand that I don't I I I you have to be a really I guess you got to be absent person to take take a little of that on but listen uh the situation is serious and we're dealing with a very full-blown you know blossoming of all of this this attack on America some people have fallen into it because they've they've just been ingesting all of this propaganda and it works it's a scientific kind of thing they're very clever I and and then it gets into the um so I don't know the whole answer but I do know the the good stuff is still around and uh you know when I look back at my childhood I say that was I was quite fortunate really fortunate of course but those values were in place at that time and that was and I'd really like to see this country Embrace those values uh once again what makes America unique why we call it the land of the free and the home of the brave you know yeah I uh my concern is I always feel like the ocean can absorb a lot of sewage it can just absorb it you know and and we have a society that was so robust and an economy that was so robust and it's just a spirit that was so robust that we could absorb a lot of this for a long time but at a certain point you get to some saturation level and the fish start dying in the sea you know they it can absorb a lot but at a certain point you're asking too much of the sea or the society you know we can absorb x amount of homeless and x amount of criminals and x amount of illegals and what x amount of unemployable people like we can absorb a lot but it's starting to get to the saturation level and like La I've been here my whole life you've been here million years we had a homeless situation it was called Skid Row but it wasn't called everywhere all the time meaning we could absorb x amount of homeless but we can't absorb tens of thousands and we're getting to that point where we're at our saturation level that's kind of the way it feels to me maybe that's what it had to get to to for us to wake up yeah but I don't what does wake up mean like where who makes the move turn turn the wheel we don't but in La I'm trying to keep up with your intelligence you know what I'm saying trying to say things every once in a while that Mak sense we don't change here which is well we've got to that's the point I I agree and I'm always like um I find it marginally insulting that there's some sort of thing where it's like well of course they think that way cuz they're white or they're racist or they're rich or they don't know what it's like to work or any of this stuff I'm like I would just want the best technique and the best policy for everyone and sane people do yeah yep so for you you can I think you can navigate Hollywood if you're good like you got you have to have something you have to have ability and you have to bring something cuz if we have to eventually start we we eventually have to start making movies that people want to see yes and uh I think that economics is going to demand that and it is demanding it too but uh you know uh we've got some work to do and maybe this is the turning point now I hope I hope it is and for you you've been out here so let's hop back for you for a second you go back to New York I mean you go to New York as a young actor budding actor and you knock around taking classes working on jobs doing doing whatever one yeah does who do you come across back in those days there had to be some great names well I I've i' I've been very I really I love actors I love artists you know um and uh and I'm in awe of really talented people um one one of the people I bumped into when I was a young actor just starting out was Al Pacino MH and when I met Al I'll just tell you a little bit of Al I had made Midnight Cowboy and I was going with a girl by the name of Jennifer Salt who was the daughter of the author uh the screenwriter of Midnight Cowboy and she had a friend Jill clayberg who became Jill clayberg a great actress who became Jill Clayborn clayberg well there's a Jill clay born no different different G this and she made some big movies too Jill clayberg we need versus Jill clay Bourne yeah don't don't don't look that way he's looking at his his engineer keep going the computer will tell us and then they're trying to trying to find anyway Jill was going with alucino at that time mm and and Jennifer was saying to me I just made Midnight Cowboy and I was feeling all of a sudden I made it Nom Something's Happened to me you know what I mean it's becoming something in the business and she said you've got to meet my friend Ali P She said called altino Ali pal and uh and we got to go down see him and Indian wants the Bronx this play is doing Off Broadway mhm and uh I didn't want to go because I didn't want to go celebrate another actor that time okay especially if he's really good yeah I get it got so but I go there with Jennifer and and Jill and I watch and I'm the the um Place goes dark and I hear them singing Sugar Sugar whoo whoo honey honey Arch that's great song and and it's these three so-called Thugs and then the lights come up and one of them is Al paccino and I'm about five or 10 minutes into this Mo this this play of Broadway and I Look to Jen and I say to her quietly I can't do that MH saying this guy's doing something I can't do and I think I'm pretty talented too right but uh I I from that point on you know and I've never felt any less than that the I've always felt in awe of this the spirit of this artist and uh just a great warmth for him I I love this man great great man and but anyway so that and then we became friends uh back then and and uh and I met several wonderful people that grew grew up with me and we've been working very like Dustin Hoffman I met doing a playoff Broadway and uh and we've been friends ever since and these gu and these guys are enormous guys to me and the um ilk of runaway train and movies people need to see they need to see Pepe on they may have some people missed that one too the Dustin Hof Jill clayberg is also Jill Clayborn oh is that right see oh you were smart you see you're expressing your intelligence all over the place on this interview well you know how I knew it was Jill Clayborn no you said Jill clayberg who changed your name to Jill clayberg and I thought I didn't say that yes you did you started to say I want to play this back the whole thing starting from the I might have missed a lot of things here and I thought people would change their name from Jewish sounding names to Anglo sounding names or non-jewish sounding names so I thought you were saying she changed her name from Jill clayberg to Jill clay Bourne was familiar with who was a very popular actress no I I didn't I don't know if that's the truth even now Jill clayberg is is Jill Clayborn and Jill clayberg the same person Jill just Jill clayberg there is no Jill clay no Jill Clayborn there we go oh my God not so smart anymore I take it back is Clayborn that a fashion designer don't think that's what you're thinking of but maybe it is there is no actress named Jill Clayborn certainly not a famous One by any means so you put in the actress name who was in movies all through the 70s yep and maybe I always thought Jill clayberg was Jill Clayborn I just mispronounce it the whole time wow this revelatory well you couldn't read for such a long time give us a you know I mean Jill what movies this is yes this is I think who I'm thinking of she was in what she was in everything she was in what movies was she in um from the beginning search for tomorrow the wedding party party P's complaint the thief Who Came To Dinner the terminal man Gable and Lombard Silver Streak semiu oh Silver Streak that is Jill Clayborne but Jill clay bur and and wow this is this is numbing my mind because I always thought her name was Jill Clayborn uh yeah Silver Streak was she played uh Jean Wilder's girlfriend or love interest in that that movie and never went by any anything other than Jill clayberg well then you're so right and I and I owe you an apology you can just erase that all from the from tap before it goes out you know what I mean I don't I want I want to stay with the the myth of your intelligence well as long as there's people like you out there pedling that myth I think I'm I'm in wonderful shape so for you at 85 and no signs of slowing down is there a secret is there rement is it all genes I try I try to eat properly I take vitamin pills I have a little exercise regimen that I do but I think the reason why I'm I'm I first I'm an actor so you can't trust what I look like is what I am do you understand I I try to look good you know as most actors do in this in Hollywood now the New York guys don't don't give a right the Hollywood guys they want to look good you know I mean so I got a little of that I want to look good and uh anyway I think uh I think I'm doing pretty well for my age and uh and I'm and I'm still but the the thing that really drives me is I still have a sense of purpose I really love what I do and I try to do do something with what I get and uh and uh and I care a lot about a lot of things so I think that's what keeps me around and keeps me healthy a passion yeah uh the movie It's called Reagan and uh it'll be in theaters it is in theaters when you hear this we're taping this a little bit uh early uh I love the producers um Quaid's a good guy and uh just takes over the role and John uh for you I don't know there's anything else coming up that you let me say this about that movie okay say this about it this movie was not supposed to come out now it was supposed to come out an a year and a half before mhm we ran into covid and we ran into the actor strike and we had some difficulties they had some difficulties in sorting out the script before they did the uh uh the CGI work on it and stuff so it it took a long time and and and it it just pushed us to this date mhm and now it seems that it's very uh relevant relevant yeah and uh even a couple of weeks after the assassination attempt on on our president former president Ros o' Donell thinks it was a Shard of glass but not a bullet but yeah well okay okay Rosie uh the um anyway it comes out now and uh and it it's really a terrific movie I have to I have to say you haven't seen it have you I haven't seen it yet yes well you'll you'll be impressed with it it's really really well done and the central performances all the performances throughout the piece are great and the central performan are quite wonderful and uh Dennis does embody the the president and um Penelope andne Miller is Sensational in it and uh and you're going to people are going to like this movie they'll they'll come back to I'm going to go see it again too eventually I'll see it probably 10 times this year not because they make me but because I want to see it it's really a nice ride um beautifully sculpted and and very satisfying and very moving and there's a it's a great love story between Ron Ronald Reagan and and Nancy wonderful love story so anyway go and enjoy it it's it's a terrific movie and uh timing couldn't be better Reagan and uh it's in theaters as you as you hear this Johan voy you know I've always want to talk to you and I'm always such a fan of yours and I I just hope you can come by in a semi-regular you that the whole time I wait I wait I save the praise until the end uh yeah no everyone's a fan of John void I me I'm I'm a big fan and I I like you on and off screen and so you know if you want to come here and me too with you I certainly will come back when you invite me bask in the glow of my wit and intelligence absolutely you come back anytime you like you're so smart so 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